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#101 Fracturemaster
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well, reading is good, but not always acceptable for teens, however twilight esque books seem reasonable
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#102 taj7575
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[QUOTE="cheeselover"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Kids want to read =/= kids are entitled to every book they want.

sparkypants

Gosh man, your being kind of pretentious. No matter what everyone says, you keep shutting them down. The kid was probably asking for Twilight, not some novels featuring rape scenes. Like, wtf.

the problem is these kids are spoiled as hell and kick and scream until they get what they want, this isnt good the father was trying to show her she cant always get what she wants. Maybe the dad didnt have the money for it. Or maybe hes never read twilight and doesnt know what to expect, he was totally justified with his actions as a father. However both parents need to teach there kids a lesson or two in manners you dont behave like that...shes 16? she wants it so bad she can work for it!

Well, they were at the book section. Im pretty sure they were set on buying a book. 16 and an overreaction to a book called "twilight"? shes old enough to read most books. also, if the case was she should get a job, the dad shouldve said that.

It's not like she was asking for 20 books. Just one book.

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#103 Theokhoth
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It's not like she was asking for 20 books. Just one book.

taj7575

Rewarding bad behavior never, ever works. It just makes it worse. And who cares if it's one or twenty books? The parent is buying it.

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#104 sparkypants
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well, reading is good, but not always acceptable for teens, however twilight esque books seem reasonableFracturemaster
well no is saying the kid shouldnt be allowed to read, we are commenting on her behavior and how do you expect the father to know whats in twilight? Hes allowed to read the book before he lets his daughter read it, hes being a good parent. Its not like hes saying YOU CANT READ! hes saying I have to read it first. Maybe he made a mental note and is going to pick it up and read it later(maybe he was like the women and bought it for her for christmas). The point isnt the denial of the book the child's immature actions in the store.
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#105 taj7575
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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

It's not like she was asking for 20 books. Just one book.

Theokhoth

Rewarding bad behavior never, ever works. It just makes it worse. And who cares if it's one or twenty books? The parent is buying it.

Hmm, bad behavior? It seemed like a kid who overreacted to her father overreacting. that wouldve been better said.

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#106 munu9
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I don't find that to be THAT spoiled. I mean at least she was asking for a book and not some ipod or game console.
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#107 munu9
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Also, I'm not white or christian but is it common to hide christmas gifts from 15 year olds? I thought that just for like 12 year olds or younger
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#108 Mr_Leonis
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Wow, I don't remember ever going out of my way for a book. :|
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#109 taj7575
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[QUOTE="Fracturemaster"]well, reading is good, but not always acceptable for teens, however twilight esque books seem reasonablesparkypants
well no is saying the kid shouldnt be allowed to read, we are commenting on her behavior and how do you expect the father to know whats in twilight? Hes allowed to read the book before he lets his daughter read it, hes being a good parent. Its not like hes saying YOU CANT READ! hes saying I have to read it first. Maybe he made a mental note and is going to pick it up and read it later(maybe he was like the women and bought it for her for christmas). The point isnt the denial of the book the child's immature actions in the store.

shes 16, and shopping for books at target. inappropriate books in target? not really. besides, why would she want to get an inappropriate book?

and the surprise thing? How bout just a book now and a little present later?

Oh, immature actions? it was an overreaction to an overreaction.

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#110 Vandalvideo
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I'm actually for the children in this instance. What kind of parent stifles a kid's willingness to READ?!
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#111 sparkypants
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Well, they were at the book section. Im pretty sure they were set on buying a book. 16 and an overreaction to a book called "twilight"? shes old enough to read most books. also, if the case was she should get a job, the dad shouldve said that.

It's not like she was asking for 20 books. Just one book.

taj7575
how do you know they were out to buy a book(the second time with the women yes,but you dont know the first parents intentions) they could be browsing the section getting an idea for christmas or just walking by. I spend most of my time in the game section just looking around doesnt mean Im going to get anything. sure shes old enough(age wise) but she sure as hell doesnt act her age. Based on her maturity level Id recommend cliffered the big red dog. Yes the dad should have said get a job, but you would hope at her age it would click in her head "hey I can work now and by my own books with my own money."
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#112 taj7575
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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

Well, they were at the book section. Im pretty sure they were set on buying a book. 16 and an overreaction to a book called "twilight"? shes old enough to read most books. also, if the case was she should get a job, the dad shouldve said that.

It's not like she was asking for 20 books. Just one book.

sparkypants

how do you know they were out to buy a book(the second time with the women yes,but you dont know the first parents intentions) they could be browsing the section getting an idea for christmas or just walking by. I spend most of my time in the game section just looking around doesnt mean Im going to get anything. sure shes old enough(age wise) but she sure as hell doesnt act her age. Based on her maturity level Id recommend cliffered the big red dog. Yes the dad should have said get a job, but you would hope at her age it would click in her head "hey I can work now and by my own books with my own money."

"Well, can I just get this book?? PLEASE!!" - girl

"NO!"

yes, but thats video games. Books are good. why would it be wrong to buy a book? It's not like shes asking for one every week, or asking for 20 books ( as ive mentioned )

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#113 sparkypants
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[QUOTE="sparkypants"][QUOTE="Fracturemaster"]well, reading is good, but not always acceptable for teens, however twilight esque books seem reasonabletaj7575

well no is saying the kid shouldnt be allowed to read, we are commenting on her behavior and how do you expect the father to know whats in twilight? Hes allowed to read the book before he lets his daughter read it, hes being a good parent. Its not like hes saying YOU CANT READ! hes saying I have to read it first. Maybe he made a mental note and is going to pick it up and read it later(maybe he was like the women and bought it for her for christmas). The point isnt the denial of the book the child's immature actions in the store.

shes 16, and shopping for books at target. inappropriate books in target? not really. besides, why would she want to get an inappropriate book?

and the surprise thing? How bout just a book now and a little present later?

Oh, immature actions? it was an overreaction to an overreaction.

they sell R rated movies and M rated games, what makes you think they would hold out on books?
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#114 sparkypants
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"Well, can I just get this book?? PLEASE!!" - girl

"NO!"

yes, but thats video games. Books are good. why would it be wrong to buy a book? It's not like shes asking for one every week, or asking for 20 books ( as ive mentioned )

taj7575

yeah and? they walked by she saw it and asked he said no because he hasnt read it and doesnt know what to expect from the book, hes not denying her the chance to read because she mention she has the other ones which means chances are she got him to get her those too. Video games, books, movies...it doesnt matter she shouldnt be able to get whatever she wants just by begging and pleading. The way she acted was inappropriate and disrespectful not only to her father but to the other customers in the store. after he gave his reason as to why she couldnt have the book she should have dropped it but no she whined like the brat she is.

I apologize TC for the double post

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#116 taj7575
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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="sparkypants"] well no is saying the kid shouldnt be allowed to read, we are commenting on her behavior and how do you expect the father to know whats in twilight? Hes allowed to read the book before he lets his daughter read it, hes being a good parent. Its not like hes saying YOU CANT READ! hes saying I have to read it first. Maybe he made a mental note and is going to pick it up and read it later(maybe he was like the women and bought it for her for christmas). The point isnt the denial of the book the child's immature actions in the store. sparkypants

shes 16, and shopping for books at target. inappropriate books in target? not really. besides, why would she want to get an inappropriate book?

and the surprise thing? How bout just a book now and a little present later?

Oh, immature actions? it was an overreaction to an overreaction.

they sell R rated movies and M rated games, what makes you think they would hold out on books?

wow its TARGET. what type of books do you expect them to sell there? Besides, 16 year olds can handle r rated movies and m games.

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#117 taj7575
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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

"Well, can I just get this book?? PLEASE!!" - girl

"NO!"

yes, but thats video games. Books are good. why would it be wrong to buy a book? It's not like shes asking for one every week, or asking for 20 books ( as ive mentioned )

sparkypants

yeah and? they walked by she saw it and asked he said no because he hasnt read it and doesnt know what to expect from the book, hes not denying her the chance to read because she mention she has the other ones which means chances are she got him to get her those too. Video games, books, movies...it doesnt matter she shouldnt be able to get whatever she wants just by begging and pleading. The way she acted was inappropriate and disrespectful not only to her father but to the other customers in the store. after he gave his reason as to why she couldnt have the book she should have dropped it but no she whined like the brat she is.

I apologize TC for the double post

she already has all the books from the series except for this one. why would this one be bad all of a sudden? It doesnt seem like she was begging and pleading too much, just a "ok comeon pleeeease??". thats not as bad as I saw some kids do, especially over video games. by the quotes, it doesnt look like she whined that much.

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#118 quiglythegreat
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well a lot of people here are not necessarily brats for it, but you pretty much have to be spoiled if you have so many video games you go on to websites to discuss them. the majority of the people here probably come from families with like four times the average family income. not to troll, just to remind you guys that you all have a lot of nice things as well, for the most part.
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#119 sparkypants
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wow its TARGET. what type of books do you expect them to sell there? Besides, 16 year olds can handle r rated movies and m games.

taj7575
yes it Target, Iv seen those sexual romance novels sold at Target yes TARGET! :shock: and clearly by her attitude she cant!

she already has all the books from the series except for this one. why would this one be bad all of a sudden? It doesnt seem like she was begging and pleading too much, just a "ok comeon pleeeease??". thats not as bad as I saw some kids do, especially over video games. by the quotes, it doesnt look like she whined that much.

taj7575
so what if she had the other books, that dad hasnt read THIS book and doesnt know what to expect from THIS book. and yes I wasnt there to see her whine so I cant tell you how annoying she was but if it was bad enough for the TC to post a topic about it Id image it was bad and based on what Iv seen growing up(I live around a very wealthy community and alot of the kids are spoiled) I have a good idea on the type of girl she is. She is spoiled her behavior was out of line end of story.
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#120 rmerri52
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Ill be honest i am spoiled but am not a brat about it. i don;t like telling people the stuff i get because i don't want to be labeled as a Spoiled Brat. As for kids who are god your annoying and accept what you have.
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#121 taj7575
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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

wow its TARGET. what type of books do you expect them to sell there? Besides, 16 year olds can handle r rated movies and m games.

sparkypants
yes it Target, Iv seen those sexual romance novels sold at Target yes TARGET! :shock: and clearly by her attitude she cant!

she already has all the books from the series except for this one. why would this one be bad all of a sudden? It doesnt seem like she was begging and pleading too much, just a "ok comeon pleeeease??". thats not as bad as I saw some kids do, especially over video games. by the quotes, it doesnt look like she whined that much.

taj7575

so what if she had the other books, that dad hasnt read THIS book and doesnt know what to expect from THIS book. and yes I wasnt there to see her whine so I cant tell you how annoying she was but if it was bad enough for the TC to post a topic about it Id image it was bad and based on what Iv seen growing up(I live around a very wealthy community and alot of the kids are spoiled) I have a good idea on the type of girl she is. She is spoiled her behavior was out of line end of story.

1. I doubt a 16 year old would be looking for a book like that.

2. thats like saying JK Rowling coming out with a book called "Harry Potter and his secret sexual pleasures".

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#122 sparkypants
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well a lot of people here are not necessarily brats for it, but you pretty much have to be spoiled if you have so many video games you go on to websites to discuss them. the majority of the people here probably come from families with like four times the average family income. not to troll, just to remind you guys that you all have a lot of nice things as well, for the most part.quiglythegreat
I see what your saying but you shouldnt make the stereotype. Not everyone in here is spoiled, with the exception of christmas and my birthday most of the games Iv gotten came from my own wallet or because I worked around the house(dont have a job right now because no one wants to hire) because I dont have a job I dont have a car because my mom refuses to pay for me. Also there are plenty of people here that are old enough to support themselves. so while Im sure there are a few spoiled people around here you shouldnt be quick to judge ;)
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#123 cs45F
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I know what you mean ive seen 10-15 year olds cry like a baby over video games and electronics and i just shake my head every time.
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#124 sparkypants
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1. I doubt a 16 year old would be looking for a book like that.

2. thats like saying JK Rowling coming out with a book called "Harry Potter and his secret sexual pleasures".

taj7575
1, no one reads those except middle age housewives but thats not the point, the point is the material is out there and its at TARGET! 2. its funny you mention Harry Potter, while the series didnt go over the hill, there sure was an increase in the amount of violence in the series and the series went from a 11+ rating to 14+, the series was also banned in a few areas. http://www.educationworld.com/a_admin/admin/admin157.shtml
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#125 barcx17
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Just watch any "Super Sweet 16" episode and wait for the famous line: "If my parent's don't get me this car, I will be so mad"
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#126 taj7575
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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

1. I doubt a 16 year old would be looking for a book like that.

2. thats like saying JK Rowling coming out with a book called "Harry Potter and his secret sexual pleasures".

sparkypants

1, no one reads those except middle age housewives but thats not the point, the point is the material is out there and its at TARGET! 2. its funny you mention Harry Potter, while the series didnt go over the hill, there sure was an increase in the amount of violence in the series and the series went from a 11+ rating to 14+, the series was also banned in a few areas. http://www.educationworld.com/a_admin/admin/admin157.shtml

wow it's a shame she's 16. oh wait...

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Its worse over electronis.
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#128 sparkypants
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[QUOTE="sparkypants"][QUOTE="taj7575"]

1. I doubt a 16 year old would be looking for a book like that.

2. thats like saying JK Rowling coming out with a book called "Harry Potter and his secret sexual pleasures".

taj7575

1, no one reads those except middle age housewives but thats not the point, the point is the material is out there and its at TARGET! 2. its funny you mention Harry Potter, while the series didnt go over the hill, there sure was an increase in the amount of violence in the series and the series went from a 11+ rating to 14+, the series was also banned in a few areas. http://www.educationworld.com/a_admin/admin/admin157.shtml

wow it's a shame she's 16. oh wait...

what?! you missed the point entirely...this was to show that the material in books can change and mature if the writer feels the need to. So the father was right to check the book before saying ok. and I dont care how old she is, she lives under her fathers roof and there for his rules and if he says no the answers no...the child should understand this!
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#129 stepnkev
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Here is a similar conversation between my son and I not that long ago.

Son: I want that (points to large truck).

Me: No. We came here to get something for Mom and then we're leaving.

Son: I want it!

Me: (Looks at son)

Son: (Shuts up and never mentions it again)

My son is at the point that all my wife and I have to do is look his direction and he knows he crossed a line that should not have been crossed.

It sounds like the Dad is being reasonable and I certainly do not want my son reading, watching, or listening to anything unless my wife or I research the product ourselves and know everything we can about it. Finally, when we say "no", this is not a debate.

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#130 Rigga911
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begging for a book is the saddest thing i ever heard
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#131 cpo335
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[QUOTE="stepnkev"]

Here is a similar conversation between my son and I not that long ago.

Son: I want that (points to large truck).

Me: No. We came here to get something for Mom and then we're leaving.

Son: I want it!

Me: (Looks at son)

Son: (Shuts up and never mentions it again)

My son is at the point that all my wife and I have to do is look his direction and he knows he crossed a line that should not have been crossed.

It sounds like the Dad is being reasonable and I certainly do not want my son reading, watching, or listening to anything unless my wife or I research the product ourselves and know everything we can about it. Finally, when we say "no", this is not a debate.

How do you do that? Tell me.
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#132 iam2green
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no, i don't think i have heard a kid have a hissy fit. i know to stop asking after they tell me no on something.
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The only place I shop is in a Grocery store, I avoid major retail chains like Wal-Mart and target because I know I'll run into crap like that. Shopping online saves me a lot of headaches. Now to directly comment on the situation: 1) Of course the father hasn't read it. Unless he has a vampire fetish or is 16 years old (which obviously he isn't) why would he read those sort of books. My father hasn't read any number of the books I have read, yet as soon as I mention the item that want is a book, he buys he, cause he knows I could be asking for all kinds of other things, like games, but instead choose to get something intellectual. 2) I really wish people wouldn't give into their kids or would just teach their kids some manners. When I was a kid, if I made a scene in a public place I got wacked in the back of the head, let me tell ya, I stopped acting up at a small age.
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#134 helium_flash
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Meh. I've seen and heard worse.
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#135 viewtiful26
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Here is a similar conversation between my son and I not that long ago.

Son: I want that (points to large truck).

Me: No. We came here to get something for Mom and then we're leaving.

Son: I want it!

Me: (Looks at son)

Son: (Shuts up and never mentions it again)

My son is at the point that all my wife and I have to do is look his direction and he knows he crossed a line that should not have been crossed.

It sounds like the Dad is being reasonable and I certainly do not want my son reading, watching, or listening to anything unless my wife or I research the product ourselves and know everything we can about it. Finally, when we say "no", this is not a debate.

stepnkev
Wow...that was awesome. Still, when that kid becomes a teenager it may get a little more complicated...that's when they star questioning authority. :P
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#136 kruesader
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Here is a similar conversation between my son and I not that long ago.

Son: I want that (points to large truck).

Me: No. We came here to get something for Mom and then we're leaving.

Son: I want it!

Me: (Looks at son)

Son: (Shuts up and never mentions it again)

My son is at the point that all my wife and I have to do is look his direction and he knows he crossed a line that should not have been crossed.

It sounds like the Dad is being reasonable and I certainly do not want my son reading, watching, or listening to anything unless my wife or I research the product ourselves and know everything we can about it. Finally, when we say "no", this is not a debate.

stepnkev
That is awesome, I hope that is good parenting as opposed to punishments! I don't think you should necessarily make a child someone who will be walked over for their whole life though.
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#137 freek666
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Just watch any "Super Sweet 16" episode and wait for the famous line: "If my parent's don't get me this car, I will be so mad"barcx17
I was talking to a friend about SS16 and hes like "they get this girl a hummer and shes complaining cos she wanted a different colour! Bro, I would kill for a hummer!" Couple this with a Samoan accent and it was quite an enjoyable conversation :P
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#138 podliver
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I constantly hear toddlers screaming at decibels that almost shatter my skull in stores.Bigboi500
Oh no don't remind me of those screams... They make me want to kick a door in
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#139 TehBeast789
Member since 2008 • 41 Posts
great thread.....since i go to scool with a bunch of spoiled idiots i cant pick out a god enough story