Stanley Kubrick is the most overrated director of all time. SPOILERS!

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]The film is about evolution. At the start the monkeys find the monolith and learn to use tools. In the future humans use their tools to do everything for them so that they are no longer evolving, but instead their tools are evolving. The next step of evolution would be to adapt to not need tools, to be able to live in space naturally. HAL knows that he will become obsolete and trys to kill the crew before they replace him.

The scene at the end in the room represents the death and birth of new live. The man ages and dies and from him comes the star child.

toast_burner

Why would not needing tools be the next step in evolution? That would just be a step back.

Yes and how did that add anything?

The starchild can breath and move through space without any aid, how is that a step back?

Besides if you get rid of HAL, what have you got? A bunch of monkeys and a artifact on the moon.

Oh...makes more sense now. They never explained all this.

Still though. I'm more interest in the mysterious. Yes like the artifact on the moon. That's more interesting than a rogue AI.

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Why would not needing tools be the next step in evolution? That would just be a step back.

Yes and how did that add anything?

charlesdarwin55

The starchild can breath and move through space without any aid, how is that a step back?

Besides if you get rid of HAL, what have you got? A bunch of monkeys and a artifact on the moon.

Oh...makes more sense now. They never explained all this.

Still though. I'm more interest in the mysterious. Yes like the artifact on the moon. That's more interesting than a rogue AI.

The amount of subtle hints is outstanding (e.g. HAL sings daisy bell when deactivated, the first soing ever sung by a computer). Whether you like the film or not you can't honestly say he's a bad director.

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Didn't you notice that throughout the film they were drinking trough straws and reading instructions on how to use toilets? In space men are as helpless as babies, machines are our parents. When you gropw up you learn to live without your parents.

The starchild can breath and move through space without any aid, how is that a step back?

Besides if you get rid of HAL, what have you got? A bunch of monkeys and a artifact on the moon.

toast_burner

Oh...makes more sense now. They never explained all this.

Still though. I'm more interest in the mysterious. Yes like the artifact on the moon. That's more interesting than a rogue AI.

The amount of subtle hints is outstanding (e.g. HAL sings daisy bell when deactivated, the first soing ever sung by a computer). Whether you like the film or not you can't honestly say he's a bad director.

I figured out the evolution part. I just never figured out that HAL figured it out(why he faked the accident). And I hate babies so when I saw the baby I was like no not another stupid baby.

What song is daisy bell? Never heard it. I never said he was bad, just overrated. And also remember there is still the shining and dr strangelove. Bad movies.

No, he is one of the best directors of all time. Speilberg; now there's an overated ****

And BTW the first half of 2001 was like the best I've ever seen. The opening scene is like the best opening scene ever. Ok I admit. It was a damn good movie. It's just the flying through colors and sitting eating chicken part of the movie could've been done better.

No, he is one of the best directors of all time. Speilberg; now there's an overated ****

BossPerson

Lol your sig

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[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

Oh...makes more sense now. They never explained all this.

Still though. I'm more interest in the mysterious. Yes like the artifact on the moon. That's more interesting than a rogue AI.

charlesdarwin55

The amount of subtle hints is outstanding (e.g. HAL sings daisy bell when deactivated, the first soing ever sung by a computer). Whether you like the film or not you can't honestly say he's a bad director.

I figured out the evolution part. I just never figured out that HAL figured it out(why he faked the accident). And I hate babies so when I saw the baby I was like no not another stupid baby.

What song is daisy bell? Never heard it. I never said he was bad, just overrated. And also remember there is still the shining and dr strangelove. Bad movies.

Daisy bell is an old song

Dr Strangelove is a brilliant film. One of the best comedies ever.

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]You like the mysterious but you're complaining that they didn't spoon feed the story to you? Figuring out the story is half of the fun of the film.

The amount of subtle hints is outstanding (e.g. HAL sings daisy bell when deactivated, the first soing ever sung by a computer). Whether you like the film or not you can't honestly say he's a bad director.

toast_burner

I figured out the evolution part. I just never figured out that HAL figured it out(why he faked the accident). And I hate babies so when I saw the baby I was like no not another stupid baby.

What song is daisy bell? Never heard it. I never said he was bad, just overrated. And also remember there is still the shining and dr strangelove. Bad movies.

Daisy bell is an old song

Dr Strangelove is a brilliant film. One of the best comedies ever.

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[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

I figured out the evolution part. I just never figured out that HAL figured it out(why he faked the accident). And I hate babies so when I saw the baby I was like no not another stupid baby.

What song is daisy bell? Never heard it. I never said he was bad, just overrated. And also remember there is still the shining and dr strangelove. Bad movies.

charlesdarwin55

Daisy bell is an old song

Dr Strangelove is a brilliant film. One of the best comedies ever.

There comes a point where admitting you are wrong is simply the only reasonable thing to do. This is one of those times, major. We will accept your apology provided you promise to not do it again.

I agree, I liked the Shining but it wasn't some top of the line film and neither are the other Kubrick films I have seen. 2001 was probably the most boring movie I have ever seen, I fell asleep watching it(literally).

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Daisy bell is an old song

Dr Strangelove is a brilliant film. One of the best comedies ever.

coolbeans90

There comes a point where admitting you are wrong is simply the only reasonable thing to do. This is one of those times, major. We will accept your apology provided you promise to not do it again.

Can you show me a funny scene or a best scenes compilation or something?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

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[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] It sure as hell ain't funny.charlesdarwin55

There comes a point where admitting you are wrong is simply the only reasonable thing to do. This is one of those times, major. We will accept your apology provided you promise to not do it again.

Can you show me a funny scene or a best scenes compilation or something?

You can't fight here, this is the war room!

You need to remeber that this was made when nuclear war was a huge issue, it's a satire about it. The government try to be profesional but always come across as rather childish (such as having casual conversations over the phone ragarding the end of the world)

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There comes a point where admitting you are wrong is simply the only reasonable thing to do. This is one of those times, major. We will accept your apology provided you promise to not do it again.

toast_burner

Can you show me a funny scene or a best scenes compilation or something?

You can't fight here, this is the war room!

You need to remeber that this was made when nuclear war was a huge issue, it's a satire about it. The government try to be profesional but always come across as rather childish (such as having casual conversations over the phone ragarding the end of the world)

That's pretty funny I guess. But The Party is a much funnier Peter Sellers movie IMO. Although it's alot of slapstick, but it's good slapstick.

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Can you show me a funny scene or a best scenes compilation or something?

charlesdarwin55

You can't fight here, this is the war room!

You need to remeber that this was made when nuclear war was a huge issue, it's a satire about it. The government try to be profesional but always come across as rather childish (such as having casual conversations over the phone ragarding the end of the world)

That's pretty funny I guess. But The Party is a much funnier Peter Sellers movie IMO. Although it's alot of slapstick, but it's good slapstick.

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

You can't fight here, this is the war room!

You need to remeber that this was made when nuclear war was a huge issue, it's a satire about it. The government try to be profesional but always come across as rather childish (such as having casual conversations over the phone ragarding the end of the world)

toast_burner

That's pretty funny I guess. But The Party is a much funnier Peter Sellers movie IMO. Although it's alot of slapstick, but it's good slapstick.

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That's pretty funny I guess. But The Party is a much funnier Peter Sellers movie IMO. Although it's alot of slapstick, but it's good slapstick.

charlesdarwin55

It probably would have been funnier at the time due to the context, as nuclear war was a bigger issue then. But if you're able to put your self in the correct mindset and understand what its referring to (such as the missile gap) then it's still hilarious.

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[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

That's pretty funny I guess. But The Party is a much funnier Peter Sellers movie IMO. Although it's alot of slapstick, but it's good slapstick.

charlesdarwin55

It's funny now.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Dr Strangelove isn't just comedy, it's political satire.

toast_burner

It probably would have been funnier at the time due to the context, as nuclear war was a bigger issue then. But if you're able to put your self in the correct mindset and understand what its referring to (such as the missile gap) then it's still hilarious.

No lol. It doesn't come close to for example Monty Python and even much of Sasha Baron Cohen.

I understand what it's referring to. I know very very basic history you know. The cold war only ended 20 years ago.

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[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] But it fails on the comedy part. Maybe it was funny in the sixties or whatevercharlesdarwin55

It probably would have been funnier at the time due to the context, as nuclear war was a bigger issue then. But if you're able to put your self in the correct mindset and understand what its referring to (such as the missile gap) then it's still hilarious.

No lol. It doesn't come close to for example Monty Python and even much of Sasha Baron Cohen.

I understand what it's referring to. I know very very basic history you know. The cold war only ended 20 years ago.

Then you have no plausible excuse for not liking it.

smh, mayor. expected more.

Beethoven and now Kubrick. You're on a roll. Wrong on both counts mind, but keep doing what you're doing.

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]It doesn't fail. It's one of the best comedies there is.

It probably would have been funnier at the time due to the context, as nuclear war was a bigger issue then. But if you're able to put your self in the correct mindset and understand what its referring to (such as the missile gap) then it's still hilarious.

coolbeans90

No lol. It doesn't come close to for example Monty Python and even much of Sasha Baron Cohen.

I understand what it's referring to. I know very very basic history you know. The cold war only ended 20 years ago.

Then you have no plausible excuse for not liking it.

smh, mayor. expected more.

Maybe I was too young when I watched it.

Well I think expected more is always better than expected less.

Kubrick is one of the greatest directors ever. 2001 is one of my favorite movies of all time. Plus you can play Echoes over part 3 of 2001 if you are a Pink Floyd fan or a fan of awesome.

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Oh yeah The Shining sucks too!

jediknight52501

get over it babe, the shining is boring tripe. not a terrible movie, but nothing close to the level of "masterpiece" praise it gets. the book blows it out the f*cking water...

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Oh yeah The Shining sucks too!

Drakes_Fortune

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... But I love A Clockwork Orange.. :( I guess I gotta hate it now because Kubrick is too mainstream

2001 is definitely overated but still a good movie portions go for far too long is probably the only problem.

I was not a fan of Full Metal Jacket, it really was not that great of a film and Platoon was a more quality film in my opinion.

2001 is a great movie -Sun_Tzu-

2001 is a great movie -Sun_Tzu-

Yes I changed my mind a little when toast burner explained.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]2001 is a great movie coolbeans90

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]2001 is a great movie -Sun_Tzu-

1960's special effect showcases aren't highbrow, just hipster sh!t.

fin

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]no

coolbeans90

1960's special effect showcases aren't highbrow, just hipster sh!t.

fin

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I am sorry it isn't lowbrow enough for you. charlesdarwin55

1960's special effect showcases aren't highbrow, just hipster sh!t.

fin

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

1960's special effect showcases aren't highbrow, just hipster sh!t.

fin

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] I was surprised how good the special effects were. I can't believe they could do that in the sixties. charlesdarwin55

Its either that or unrealistic-looking CGI that do nothing but explode

He isn't that good and my not liking his work is just compounded by how everyone else thinks he is great.

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He is overrated but The Shining was awesome. Spartacus was also really good.

Most overrated director is Quentin Tarantino.

jediknight52501

And BTW the first half of 2001 was like the best I've ever seen. The opening scene is like the best opening scene ever. Ok I admit. It was a damn good movie. It's just the flying through colors and sitting eating chicken part of the movie could've been done better.

charlesdarwin55

No. You are wrong. Scorsese is far more over- rated.

curono

To be fair 2001 is a pretty old movie and has withstood time quite well. Everything in that movie was very "out there" thinking for the times. Now it's all been done dozens of times and doesn't have the same originality when you watch it now. A lot of movies from the 60's and 70's are very dialogue heavy and alot of them have scenes that appear to be "filler" but actually subtly develop the story and the characters. Look at the movie Taxi Driver made a little under ten years after. It can be argued that majority of the film is "filler" but without it the movie wouldn't of had the same impact it does. Same goes for 2001. What some people see as boring others see as a riveting story.

He's my favorite director. I think he is amazing.