Student Arrested After Stealing Teacher's Apple.

An 18-year-old Port St. Lucie High School student was arrested Tuesday after he stole an apple from a teacher who confiscated a small spring he used to disrupt class, according to a St. Lucie County Sheriff's Office arrest report obtained Thursday.

Dylan Morrison is charged with petit theft and disruption of a school function.

According to the report, Morrison was making noise with the spring when his teacher confiscated it, so he became upset and took a red apple from the teacher's desk. The teacher asked for the apple to be returned, but Morrison refused unless the spring was returned.

When the teacher summoned the dean of students, who made three requests for the apple to be returned, Morrison still refused, so authorities were called, the report stated.

After the arresting officer arrived and warned Morrison that criminal charges could be filed if he didn't return the apple, Morrison replied, "So what? I'm not leaving without my spring," the report stated.

Morrison was then taken into custody.

Krystal Morrison said she was dumfounded that her son would be arrested because of the incident.

"I mean, I thought maybe something else could've been done," she said.

The dean said he would press charges, so a photo of the apple was taken and submitted into evidence. The spring was also submitted into evidence.

"I thought it was dumb," Morrison said of the arrest.

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Omg, Burn him on a stake!

How is this news? Somebody stole something that belonged to another person, and he's being charged with theft.

What's next? "Man arrested for sleeping in a no-loitering zone?"

How is this news? Somebody stole something that belonged to another person, and he's being charged with theft.

What's next? "Man arrested for sleeping in a no-loitering zone?"

-Jiggles-

I don't see what else the teacher could've done because the student was being difficult. Seems like a legitimate reason for an arrest, imo. dracula_16

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]I don't see what else the teacher could've done because the student was being difficult. Seems like a legitimate reason for an arrest, imo. Paladin_King

You act as if the teenager was a perfect little angel who just accidentally stole the apple and refused to give it back.

The kid disrupted the class in order to steal damn fruit, and he still refused to give it back even when a police officer told him directly. Honestly, he's an idiot who deserves a day or two in the slammer.

[QUOTE="Paladin_King"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]I don't see what else the teacher could've done because the student was being difficult. Seems like a legitimate reason for an arrest, imo. -Jiggles-

You act as if the teenager was a perfect little angel who just accidentally stole the apple and refused to give it back.

The kid disrupted the class in order to steal damn fruit, and he still refused to give it back even when a police officer told him directly. Honestly, he's an idiot who deserves a day or two in the slammer.

Was his name "Adam" ? LOL!!!! Jaguar_Shade

[QUOTE="Paladin_King"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]I don't see what else the teacher could've done because the student was being difficult. Seems like a legitimate reason for an arrest, imo. -Jiggles-

You act as if the teenager was a perfect little angel who just accidentally stole the apple and refused to give it back.

The kid disrupted the class in order to steal damn fruit, and he still refused to give it back even when a police officer told him directly. Honestly, he's an idiot who deserves a day or two in the slammer.

[QUOTE="Jaguar_Shade"]Was his name "Adam" ? LOL!!!! loco145

adams apple - that lump in your neck lol

or it could be an adam and eve reference, but it was her who took that apple and damned us all to hell :O !!!

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Jaguar_Shade"]Was his name "Adam" ? LOL!!!! Carl_W21

adams apple - that lump in your neck lol

or it could be an adam and eve reference, but it was her who took that apple and damned us all to hell :O !!!

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

[QUOTE="Paladin_King"] the teacher could've dropped charges. The teacher WANTED this arrest to happen. Was it within the law? Yes, but it's also a complete waste of the police's time. Also, the boy is over 18 which means this teacher was more than happy to give the poor kid a possible criminal record over a freaking apple. Honestly, what the hell is wrong with this person? It's an apple, let it go. Who calls the cops and presses charges on a student over a freaking apple?Paladin_King

You act as if the teenager was a perfect little angel who just accidentally stole the apple and refused to give it back.

The kid disrupted the class in order to steal damn fruit, and he still refused to give it back even when a police officer told him directly. Honestly, he's an idiot who deserves a day or two in the slammer.

The charges of theft brought upon him were because of his own immaturity, which should've been long gone by the time he hit 18. He had multiple opportunities to bail himself out of being arrested, and yet he kept pushing his luck until he got into the position he's in now.

Do I think this should go on his permanent record? No, but it's going to anyways, so there's no debating that. If he's still going to have such a poor mentality at the beginning of adulthood (seriously, stealing an apple and refusing to give it back?) then maybe he SHOULD get marked down for it. I wouldn't want such a person working under my belt in any future careers.

There probably were better options for the teacher to take, but that's only going so far as assuming the student would've cooperated during said options. He refused repeatedly to give the apple back, so he was not willing to listen to any sort of logic or reason.

After the arresting officer arrived and warned Morrison that criminal charges could be filed if he didn't return the apple, Morrison replied, "So what? I'm not leaving without my spring," the report stated.loco145

That there was the point of no return. Charges must be filed.

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

[QUOTE="Paladin_King"] the teacher could've dropped charges. The teacher WANTED this arrest to happen. Was it within the law? Yes, but it's also a complete waste of the police's time. Also, the boy is over 18 which means this teacher was more than happy to give the poor kid a possible criminal record over a freaking apple. Honestly, what the hell is wrong with this person? It's an apple, let it go. Who calls the cops and presses charges on a student over a freaking apple?lucky326

You act as if the teenager was a perfect little angel who just accidentally stole the apple and refused to give it back.

The kid disrupted the class in order to steal damn fruit, and he still refused to give it back even when a police officer told him directly. Honestly, he's an idiot who deserves a day or two in the slammer.

He would've probably gotten it back if he gave the apple back first... Even then, why did he bring a spring to class anyways? He was only looking for trouble from what the article has told me.

The charges of theft brought upon him were because of his own immaturity, which should've been long gone by the time he hit 18. He had multiple opportunities to bail himself out of being arrested, and yet he kept pushing his luck until he got into the position he's in now.

Do I think this should go on his permanent record? No, but it's going to anyways, so there's no debating that. If he's still going to have such a poor mentality at the beginning of adulthood (seriously, stealing an apple and refusing to give it back?) then maybe he SHOULD get marked down for it. I wouldn't want such a person working under my belt in any future careers.

There probably were better options for the teacher to take, but that's only going so far as assuming the student would've cooperated during said options. He refused repeatedly to give the apple back, so he was not willing to listen to any sort of logic or reason.

-Jiggles-

You're not a very pleasant person are you? Nevermind that. God forbid I ever have you as an employer, though thankfully, I'm pretty sure that i never will.

You would seriously not hire someone strictly because of an incident over an apple in the 12th grade? DECADES later perhaps? Wow. Just wow.

Your whole post also shows your own difficulties maintaining such an absurd "hardline" posture.

"Do I think this should go on his permanent record? No, but it's going to anyways, so there's no debating that."

"There probably were better options for the teacher to take, but that's only going so far as assuming the studnet would've cooperated during said options."

Both of those statements are paradoxical.

So you admit there were other options (I agree) but then say....that there weren't?

And the first sentence....you don't think that something SHOULD happen, but because it WILL happen, you see no point in protest or argument?

Wow.

He would've probably gotten it back if he gave the apple back first... Even then, why did he bring a spring to class anyways? He was only looking for trouble from what the article has told me.

-Jiggles-

um, and you know this how? Neither the article nor the video suggest any attempt at an exchange.

Neither you nor this school apparently (which is why it's pathetic) have any idea how teenagers think or work. You're right, it is a maturity issue, but if you REALLY believe that all highschoolers of age 18 have the maturity of adults, you're living in a dream world.

There are many teenagers who will continue to push the more they feel that they are being unjustly treated. That's how the teenage psyche often works unfortunately, being more impassioned having not yet been weathered or sobered by adulthood. I've seen it many times. Imprisonment and a criminal record are NOT the way for a young man to gain this soberness of mind, nor should he have to pay for the foibles of youth for the rest of his life. Teenagers do illogical things when they feel they are being unfairly treated. It's why parents often have such a hard time with them.

Also, contrary to your interpretation of the article, what i read was that the Dean showed up, asked for the apple three times, and then called the police. No other tactics were used, no exchange was proffered.

To be fair though, it was a glass apple and not an actual apple, which i think is only really revaled if you watch the video.

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]The charges of theft brought upon him were because of his own immaturity, which should've been long gone by the time he hit 18. He had multiple opportunities to bail himself out of being arrested, and yet he kept pushing his luck until he got into the position he's in now.

Do I think this should go on his permanent record? No, but it's going to anyways, so there's no debating that. If he's still going to have such a poor mentality at the beginning of adulthood (seriously, stealing an apple and refusing to give it back?) then maybe he SHOULD get marked down for it. I wouldn't want such a person working under my belt in any future careers.

There probably were better options for the teacher to take, but that's only going so far as assuming the student would've cooperated during said options. He refused repeatedly to give the apple back, so he was not willing to listen to any sort of logic or reason.

Paladin_King

You're not a very pleasant person are you? Nevermind that. God forbid I ever have you as an employer, though thankfully, I'm pretty sure that i never will.

You would seriously not hire someone strictly because of an incident over an apple in the 12th grade? DECADES later perhaps? Wow. Just wow.

Your whole post also shows your own difficulties maintaining such an absurd "hardline" posture.

"Do I think this should go on his permanent record? No, but it's going to anyways, so there's no debating that."

"There probably were better options for the teacher to take, but that's only going so far as assuming the studnet would've cooperated during said options."

Both of those statements are paradoxical.

So you admit there were other options (I agree) but then say....that there weren't?

And the first sentence....you don't think that something SHOULD happen, but because it WILL happen, you see no point in protest or argument?

Wow.

Read the highlighted part. In situations like this. There are always possible ways to make things like this work out well, but nothing is going to work out well if the student in question is willingly stubborn beyond reason. The teacher could've just got her apple back and then give the spring back and call it a day, but the immature, "I want my spring back first!" mentality that the student upheld so stubbornly shows that he wasn't willing to listen to any sort of logic and reason over such a trivial matter.

I don't like the answer given, but I still feel it's justified by the student's actions. Read the article, he clearly refused to give the apple back even when the police officer told him that criminal charges WILL be filed if he didn't. He refused, so he got arrested because of repeated stupid mistakes of his.

Everything else is Ad Hominen. Attack the arguement, not me. You'll sway more opinions that way.

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

He would've probably gotten it back if he gave the apple back first... Even then, why did he bring a spring to class anyways? He was only looking for trouble from what the article has told me.

Paladin_King

um, and you know this how? Neither the article nor the video suggest any attempt at an exchange.

Neither you nor this school apparently (which is why it's pathetic) have any idea how teenagers think or work. You're right, it is a maturity issue, but if you REALLY believe that all highschoolers of age 18 have the maturity of adults, you're living in a dream world.

There are many teenagers who will continue to push the more they feel that they are being unjustly treated. That's how the teenage psyche often works unfortunately, being more impassioned having not yet been weathered or sobered by adulthood. I've seen it many times. Imprisonment and a criminal record are NOT the way for a young man to gain this soberness of mind, nor should he have to pay for the foibles of youth for the rest of his life. Teenagers do illogical things when they feel they are being unfairly treated. It's why parents often have such a hard time with them.

Also, contrary to your interpretation of the article, what i read was that the Dean showed up, asked for the apple three times, and then called the police. No other tactics were used, no exchange was proffered.

To be fair though, it was a glass apple and not an actual apple, which i think is only really revaled if you watch the video.

So because a large portion of 18 year olds aren't mature (or at least as mature as they should be), we should dismiss it and lower our expectations? Absolutely not. The minute we start lowering the expectations of intelligence and maturity that we hold for young adults, we will take a step back as an intelligent society. Human progression shouldn't be fettered by the ignorance of our youth; this student is an adult now, so he should start acting like one. That concept is something you don't seem to grasp that well.

Again I say, I agree that none of this should go on his permanent record, as it'll only hold him back from getting a job in the future. However, I feel he does deserve minimal jail time, 3 days max.

What sort of punishment will he get?Impulse808

What sort of punishment will he get?Impulse808

Read the highlighted part. In situations like this. There are always possible ways to make things like this work out well, but nothing is going to work out well if the student in question is willingly stubborn beyond reason. The teacher could've just got her apple back and then give the spring back and call it a day, but the immature, "I want my spring back first!" mentality that the student upheld so stubbornly shows that he wasn't willing to listen to any sort of logic and reason over such a trivial matter.

I don't like the answer given, but I still feel it's justified by the student's actions. Read the article, he clearly refused to give the apple back even when the police officer told him that criminal charges WILL be filed if he didn't. He refused, so he got arrested because of repeated stupid mistakes of his.

Everything else is Ad Hominen. Attack the arguement, not me. You'll sway more opinions that way.

-Jiggles-

Re-read the article. He just said he wanted the spring back. Nowhere did he say that he wanted the spring back "first" (what does that even mean btw?). Nowhere in the article or in the video is there any mention of an exchange even being OFFERED before the cops were called in.

Once again, it suggests that the Dean merely said "give the apple back" three times and then called the cops when the student refused. The fact that he was still telling the cops that he wanted the spring back again suggests that no such exchange was ever offered. You yourself say that an exchange would've made the most sense, and I totally agree, but again, nowhere was such an exchange mentioned as having been point on the table.

As i said in my other post, this school obviously has no idea how to handle young adults. Many teenagers DO do stupid things and do get stupidly stubborn when they feel they are being unjustly treated. This is due to their BEING young adults and not having yet acquired the rationality of adults. Calling the police and outside forces is NOT the way to educate them into being adults and the fact that the school did so shows that they are woefully unable to deal with their students. By calling the police over an issue like this, the school has proven that it is a total failure at what it's whole purpose is: the education of young adults.

Either way, I think, if i've read your post correctly, that we both agree that a school-level punishment and an exchange of spring for apple would've been best, but unlike you, while I may have missed something (and do correct me if i have) nowhere in the article is it suggested that such an exchange was even attempted.

[QUOTE="Paladin_King"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

He would've probably gotten it back if he gave the apple back first... Even then, why did he bring a spring to class anyways? He was only looking for trouble from what the article has told me.

-Jiggles-

um, and you know this how? Neither the article nor the video suggest any attempt at an exchange.

Neither you nor this school apparently (which is why it's pathetic) have any idea how teenagers think or work. You're right, it is a maturity issue, but if you REALLY believe that all highschoolers of age 18 have the maturity of adults, you're living in a dream world.

There are many teenagers who will continue to push the more they feel that they are being unjustly treated. That's how the teenage psyche often works unfortunately, being more impassioned having not yet been weathered or sobered by adulthood. I've seen it many times. Imprisonment and a criminal record are NOT the way for a young man to gain this soberness of mind, nor should he have to pay for the foibles of youth for the rest of his life. Teenagers do illogical things when they feel they are being unfairly treated. It's why parents often have such a hard time with them.

Also, contrary to your interpretation of the article, what i read was that the Dean showed up, asked for the apple three times, and then called the police. No other tactics were used, no exchange was proffered.

To be fair though, it was a glass apple and not an actual apple, which i think is only really revaled if you watch the video.

So because a large portion of 18 year olds aren't mature (or at least as mature as they should be), we should dismiss it and lower our expectations? Absolutely not. The minute we start lowering the expectations of intelligence and maturity that we hold for young adults, we will take a step back as an intelligent society. Human progression shouldn't be fettered by the ignorance of our youth; this student is an adult now, so he should start acting like one. That concept is something you don't seem to grasp that well.

Again I say, I agree that none of this should go on his permanent record, as it'll only hold him back from getting a job in the future. However, I feel he does deserve minimal jail time, 3 days max.

Regardless of whether or not he deserved to be arrested, an 18-year-old should know better. Immature little punk.Theokhoth

we both agree that a school-level punishment and an exchange of spring for apple would've been bestPaladin_King

That would've been the worst thing to do. Anyone who's ever dealt with a toddler will tell you the same: never reward a tantrum by giving in.

[QUOTE="Paladin_King"]we both agree that a school-level punishment and an exchange of spring for apple would've been bestOleg_Huzwog

That would've been the worst thing to do. Anyone who's ever dealt with a toddler will tell you the same: never reward a tantrum by giving in.

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]Read the highlighted part. In situations like this. There are always possible ways to make things like this work out well, but nothing is going to work out well if the student in question is willingly stubborn beyond reason. The teacher could've just got her apple back and then give the spring back and call it a day, but the immature, "I want my spring back first!" mentality that the student upheld so stubbornly shows that he wasn't willing to listen to any sort of logic and reason over such a trivial matter.

I don't like the answer given, but I still feel it's justified by the student's actions. Read the article, he clearly refused to give the apple back even when the police officer told him that criminal charges WILL be filed if he didn't. He refused, so he got arrested because of repeated stupid mistakes of his.

Everything else is Ad Hominen. Attack the arguement, not me. You'll sway more opinions that way.

Paladin_King

Re-read the article. He just said he wanted the spring back. Nowhere did he say that he wanted the spring back "first" (what does that even mean btw?). Nowhere in the article or in the video is there any mention of an exchange even being OFFERED before the cops were called in.

Once again, it suggests that the Dean merely said "give the apple back" three times and then called the cops when the student refused. The fact that he was still telling the cops that he wanted the spring back again suggests that no such exchange was ever offered. You yourself say that an exchange would've made the most sense, and I totally agree, but again, nowhere was such an exchange mentioned as having been point on the table.

As i said in my other post, this school obviously has no idea how to handle young adults. Many teenagers DO do stupid things and do get stupidly stubborn when they feel they are being unjustly treated. This is due to their BEING young adults and not having yet acquired the rationality of adults. Calling the police and outside forces is NOT the way to educate them into being adults and the fact that the school did so shows that they are woefully unable to deal with their students. By calling the police over an issue like this, the school has proven that it is a total failure at what it's whole purpose is: the education of young adults.

Either way, I think, if i've read your post correctly, that we both agree that a school-level punishment and an exchange of spring for apple would've been best, but unlike you, while I may have missed something (and do correct me if i have) nowhere in the article is it suggested that such an exchange was even attempted.

That is where I feel things got a bit haywire and how the kid was arrested. At the end of the article, the student expresses how he doesn't care about being arrested and just wants his spring back; to me, this is open to interpretation, as I feel he told the teacher before that he wanted his spring back before he gave the apple back. There's too little information disclosed by the article for anybody, either it be me or you, to give a solid opinion on the matter.

Yes, I feel the punishment should've remain school-leveled, but I still see how his actions are justified by being arrested. Whether you agree with me on that or not is something neither of us can change, so I guess we'll leave it at that.

[QUOTE="Paladin_King"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

He would've probably gotten it back if he gave the apple back first... Even then, why did he bring a spring to class anyways? He was only looking for trouble from what the article has told me.

-Jiggles-

um, and you know this how? Neither the article nor the video suggest any attempt at an exchange.

Neither you nor this school apparently (which is why it's pathetic) have any idea how teenagers think or work. You're right, it is a maturity issue, but if you REALLY believe that all highschoolers of age 18 have the maturity of adults, you're living in a dream world.

There are many teenagers who will continue to push the more they feel that they are being unjustly treated. That's how the teenage psyche often works unfortunately, being more impassioned having not yet been weathered or sobered by adulthood. I've seen it many times. Imprisonment and a criminal record are NOT the way for a young man to gain this soberness of mind, nor should he have to pay for the foibles of youth for the rest of his life. Teenagers do illogical things when they feel they are being unfairly treated. It's why parents often have such a hard time with them.

Also, contrary to your interpretation of the article, what i read was that the Dean showed up, asked for the apple three times, and then called the police. No other tactics were used, no exchange was proffered.

To be fair though, it was a glass apple and not an actual apple, which i think is only really revaled if you watch the video.

So because a large portion of 18 year olds aren't mature (or at least as mature as they should be), we should dismiss it and lower our expectations? Absolutely not. The minute we start lowering the expectations of intelligence and maturity that we hold for young adults, we will take a step back as an intelligent society. Human progression shouldn't be fettered by the ignorance of our youth; this student is an adult now, so he should start acting like one. That concept is something you don't seem to grasp that well.

Again I say, I agree that none of this should go on his permanent record, as it'll only hold him back from getting a job in the future. However, I feel he does deserve minimal jail time, 3 days max.

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"][QUOTE="Paladin_King"]

um, and you know this how? Neither the article nor the video suggest any attempt at an exchange.

Neither you nor this school apparently (which is why it's pathetic) have any idea how teenagers think or work. You're right, it is a maturity issue, but if you REALLY believe that all highschoolers of age 18 have the maturity of adults, you're living in a dream world.

There are many teenagers who will continue to push the more they feel that they are being unjustly treated. That's how the teenage psyche often works unfortunately, being more impassioned having not yet been weathered or sobered by adulthood. I've seen it many times. Imprisonment and a criminal record are NOT the way for a young man to gain this soberness of mind, nor should he have to pay for the foibles of youth for the rest of his life. Teenagers do illogical things when they feel they are being unfairly treated. It's why parents often have such a hard time with them.

Also, contrary to your interpretation of the article, what i read was that the Dean showed up, asked for the apple three times, and then called the police. No other tactics were used, no exchange was proffered.

To be fair though, it was a glass apple and not an actual apple, which i think is only really revaled if you watch the video.

Paladin_King

So because a large portion of 18 year olds aren't mature (or at least as mature as they should be), we should dismiss it and lower our expectations? Absolutely not. The minute we start lowering the expectations of intelligence and maturity that we hold for young adults, we will take a step back as an intelligent society. Human progression shouldn't be fettered by the ignorance of our youth; this student is an adult now, so he should start acting like one. That concept is something you don't seem to grasp that well.

Again I say, I agree that none of this should go on his permanent record, as it'll only hold him back from getting a job in the future. However, I feel he does deserve minimal jail time, 3 days max.

[QUOTE="Paladin_King"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]Read the highlighted part. In situations like this. There are always possible ways to make things like this work out well, but nothing is going to work out well if the student in question is willingly stubborn beyond reason. The teacher could've just got her apple back and then give the spring back and call it a day, but the immature, "I want my spring back first!" mentality that the student upheld so stubbornly shows that he wasn't willing to listen to any sort of logic and reason over such a trivial matter.

I don't like the answer given, but I still feel it's justified by the student's actions. Read the article, he clearly refused to give the apple back even when the police officer told him that criminal charges WILL be filed if he didn't. He refused, so he got arrested because of repeated stupid mistakes of his.

Everything else is Ad Hominen. Attack the arguement, not me. You'll sway more opinions that way.

-Jiggles-

Re-read the article. He just said he wanted the spring back. Nowhere did he say that he wanted the spring back "first" (what does that even mean btw?). Nowhere in the article or in the video is there any mention of an exchange even being OFFERED before the cops were called in.

Once again, it suggests that the Dean merely said "give the apple back" three times and then called the cops when the student refused. The fact that he was still telling the cops that he wanted the spring back again suggests that no such exchange was ever offered. You yourself say that an exchange would've made the most sense, and I totally agree, but again, nowhere was such an exchange mentioned as having been point on the table.

As i said in my other post, this school obviously has no idea how to handle young adults. Many teenagers DO do stupid things and do get stupidly stubborn when they feel they are being unjustly treated. This is due to their BEING young adults and not having yet acquired the rationality of adults. Calling the police and outside forces is NOT the way to educate them into being adults and the fact that the school did so shows that they are woefully unable to deal with their students. By calling the police over an issue like this, the school has proven that it is a total failure at what it's whole purpose is: the education of young adults.

Either way, I think, if i've read your post correctly, that we both agree that a school-level punishment and an exchange of spring for apple would've been best, but unlike you, while I may have missed something (and do correct me if i have) nowhere in the article is it suggested that such an exchange was even attempted.

That is where I feel things got a bit haywire and how the kid was arrested. At the end of the article, the student expresses how he doesn't care about being arrested and just wants his spring back; to me, this is open to interpretation, as I feel he told the teacher before that he wanted his spring back before he gave the apple back. There's too little information disclosed by the article for anybody, either it be me or you, to give a solid opinion on the matter.

Yes, I feel the punishment should've remain school-leveled, but I still see how his actions are justified by being arrested. Whether you agree with me on that or not is something neither of us can change, so I guess we'll leave it at that.

Wow, this is perhaps one of the few internet arguments I've had where I've come to an agreement with the other poster. The article does give too little information. I also feel that is misleading in not mentioning that it was a glass apple and not a real one. The fact you only learn that through watching the video is pathetic on the part of the website (showing they want to make people believe it was a real apple)

I just don't feel that that exchange conversation ever took place considering the student's still talking about not getting his spring back, but again, you're right, we'll never know. It's just that in the similar exchanges i've seen or been a part of, usually a student never makes demands over the details of the exchange; the very fact that the exchange is offered is enough. That said, I'm' speaking from experience from other situations, not from the facts of this case, which we don't really know.

Ah well, to be honest, I'm fairly confident that this'll be dropped. The judge or other legal arbiter will encourage it to be resolved outside the courts, and in the end, regardless of how badly the Dean wants to press charges, it's the teacher's property and thus the teacher's choice, not his. The amount of bad press and hatemail the school, teacher, and Dean will be receiving as well as the judge/arbiter's encouragement will probably see all of this end as it should have ended.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Paladin_King"]we both agree that a school-level punishment and an exchange of spring for apple would've been bestPaladin_King

That would've been the worst thing to do. Anyone who's ever dealt with a toddler will tell you the same: never reward a tantrum by giving in.

You're suggesting they give him what he wanted. That is rewarding the tantrum. A school-level punishment would've been good, but NOT an exchange.

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"][QUOTE="Paladin_King"]

um, and you know this how? Neither the article nor the video suggest any attempt at an exchange.

Neither you nor this school apparently (which is why it's pathetic) have any idea how teenagers think or work. You're right, it is a maturity issue, but if you REALLY believe that all highschoolers of age 18 have the maturity of adults, you're living in a dream world.

There are many teenagers who will continue to push the more they feel that they are being unjustly treated. That's how the teenage psyche often works unfortunately, being more impassioned having not yet been weathered or sobered by adulthood. I've seen it many times. Imprisonment and a criminal record are NOT the way for a young man to gain this soberness of mind, nor should he have to pay for the foibles of youth for the rest of his life. Teenagers do illogical things when they feel they are being unfairly treated. It's why parents often have such a hard time with them.

Also, contrary to your interpretation of the article, what i read was that the Dean showed up, asked for the apple three times, and then called the police. No other tactics were used, no exchange was proffered.

To be fair though, it was a glass apple and not an actual apple, which i think is only really revaled if you watch the video.

Impulse808

So because a large portion of 18 year olds aren't mature (or at least as mature as they should be), we should dismiss it and lower our expectations? Absolutely not. The minute we start lowering the expectations of intelligence and maturity that we hold for young adults, we will take a step back as an intelligent society. Human progression shouldn't be fettered by the ignorance of our youth; this student is an adult now, so he should start acting like one. That concept is something you don't seem to grasp that well.

Again I say, I agree that none of this should go on his permanent record, as it'll only hold him back from getting a job in the future. However, I feel he does deserve minimal jail time, 3 days max.

If somebody snatched a necklace away from you and refused to give it back, would you not call the police? The reason why I feel most people are defending the kid is because he was a student who stole an object away from the teacher on school grounds; why does this matter? He is old enough to know that stealing is wrong, and being stubborn to give back what doesn't belong to him is just flat-out immature. If he wasn't forseeing the consequences coming at him, then I don't show much pity for him either way, despite the fact that I myself feel the situation could've been resolved better than it was.

Stupid teacher. Why is it fair that she can take away something of his and he can't take something of hers? I honestly doubt she cared about the apple anyways, and if the boy if willing to get criminal charges for a god damn spring, he obviously cared about it. If she wanted her apple back, she should have given the spring back. If he continued to play with it, then the smart ass can go to jail.Razor-Lazor

Sounds more like a detention or suspension.

Looks to me like they are trying to set an example with this dude.