Student Arrested After Stealing Teacher's Apple.

[QUOTE="Impulse808"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

So because a large portion of 18 year olds aren't mature (or at least as mature as they should be), we should dismiss it and lower our expectations? Absolutely not. The minute we start lowering the expectations of intelligence and maturity that we hold for young adults, we will take a step back as an intelligent society. Human progression shouldn't be fettered by the ignorance of our youth; this student is an adult now, so he should start acting like one. That concept is something you don't seem to grasp that well.

Again I say, I agree that none of this should go on his permanent record, as it'll only hold him back from getting a job in the future. However, I feel he does deserve minimal jail time, 3 days max.

-Jiggles-

If somebody snatched a necklace away from you and refused to give it back, would you not call the police? The reason why I feel most people are defending the kid is because he was a student who stole an object away from the teacher on school grounds; why does this matter? He is old enough to know that stealing is wrong, and being stubborn to give back what doesn't belong to him is just flat-out immature. If he wasn't forseeing the consequences coming at him, then I don't show much pity for him either way, despite the fact that I myself feel the situation could've been resolved better than it was.

[QUOTE="Razor-Lazor"]Stupid teacher. Why is it fair that she can take away something of his and he can't take something of hers? I honestly doubt she cared about the apple anyways, and if the boy if willing to get criminal charges for a god damn spring, he obviously cared about it. If she wanted her apple back, she should have given the spring back. If he continued to play with it, then the smart ass can go to jail.Impulse808

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"][QUOTE="Impulse808"] Three days?! So what if the kid refused to give back the apple? He refused to comply because this act of 'theft' doesn't warrant any legal action.Impulse808

If somebody snatched a necklace away from you and refused to give it back, would you not call the police? The reason why I feel most people are defending the kid is because he was a student who stole an object away from the teacher on school grounds; why does this matter? He is old enough to know that stealing is wrong, and being stubborn to give back what doesn't belong to him is just flat-out immature. If he wasn't forseeing the consequences coming at him, then I don't show much pity for him either way, despite the fact that I myself feel the situation could've been resolved better than it was.

Glass apples don't grow on trees.

[QUOTE="Impulse808"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

If somebody snatched a necklace away from you and refused to give it back, would you not call the police? The reason why I feel most people are defending the kid is because he was a student who stole an object away from the teacher on school grounds; why does this matter? He is old enough to know that stealing is wrong, and being stubborn to give back what doesn't belong to him is just flat-out immature. If he wasn't forseeing the consequences coming at him, then I don't show much pity for him either way, despite the fact that I myself feel the situation could've been resolved better than it was.

-Jiggles-

Glass apples don't grow on trees.

I do agree wit you to some extent, but this is one of those times where we enter the surreal worlds that are schoolgrounds, which almost have their own legal system, bizarrely. The thing is, in your example with the necklace, there IS no system other than the legal system that can be applied to, whereas in school, you can go to the school system first.

It's a continual issue/problem for schools: how far do you go trying to resolve it at the school level, and when does an issue get so bad that you HAVE to involve outside authorities? It's a hard line to decide upon.

Harder too is the educator's debacle of actual age vs grade level of the student. Calling the police for a 17 year old gr. 12 student is very different from calling in the police on an 18 year old gr. 12 student due to the consequences...and yet it's also somewhat unrealistic to expect that 18 yr olds to be any more mature or developed than the 17 yr olds.

Schools are a surreal world. I'm honestly glad i'm not a part of that environment any longer. Too many weird questions, too much politics, and in too many ways schools are like worlds unto themselves with their own rules. That's why i'm trying to work towards a university career now...lol and i said i wanted to be rid of the politics.

I do agree wit you to some extent, but this is one of those times where we enter the surreal worlds that are schoolgrounds, which almost have their own legal system, bizarrely. The thing is, in your example with the necklace, there IS no system other than the legal system that can be applied to, whereas in school, you can go to the school system first.

It's a continual issue/problem for schools: how far do you go trying to resolve it at the school level, and when does an issue get so bad that you HAVE to involve outside authorities? It's a hard line to decide upon.

Harder too is the educator's debacle of actual age vs grade level of the student. Calling the police for a 17 year old gr. 12 student is very different from calling in the police on an 18 year old gr. 12 student due to the consequences...and yet it's also somewhat unrealistic to expect that 18 yr olds to be any more mature or developed than the 17 yr olds.

Schools are a surreal world. I'm honestly glad i'm not a part of that environment any longer. Too many weird questions, too much politics, and in too many ways schools are like worlds unto themselves with their own rules. That's why i'm trying to work towards a university career now...lol and i said i wanted to be rid of the politics.

Paladin_King

Once again, too little information disclosed by the article. We don't know if the student was getting rough, dismissing a higher figure from discussion (principle, council member, etc), or if he was threatening the teacher. I guess we'll just have to wait for other information to be brought into light before we form a final opinion on the matter.

At first I thought it was talking about an apple product, like a mac or ipod.McJugga

Yeah, not sure if you read my other post, but i did say that i totally agree with you on that front. The fact that the article goes to such lengths to conceal that it was a glass apple and not a real one already shows that it can't fully be trusted. The fact they concealed that shows that they obviously want people to be outraged by this incident to the maximum extent, which means that the article would definitely have conveniently not mentioned it if any of the circumstances you mentioned did occur.Paladin_King

Im sure the police could have spent their time looking for real criminals. This guy should have just gotten a 7 day suspension or something.htekemerald

He stole AN APPLE? WHat bigger crime there is?

i know, but it is conspicuous that the article doesn't mention it. It makes the reader believe it's a real apple and makes the case seem even more outrageous. All this over a glass apple is news, but not quite to the extent that it would be were it a real apple.Paladin_King

Oh wait, were talking about a glass apple?

I was under the assumption it was a actual fruit.

I have to ask is this glass apple even worth $20? I thought the value of a stolen item/items had to be at least $20 in order to be brought to court...

Either way, this IS a horrible way to handle the situation. I gaurantee you nothing will be solved by this and at the same time they just paved the way for much worse behavior by the student in his future, even if he doesn't get charges on record. You can bet he will do something much worse to get back at the school and then if he has a record Lord knows what kind of person he will become in the future.....

Oh and to those defending the school, you should think of what this kids mentality likely was. I bet his line of thinking was "She took something of mine so I should take something of hers untill I get my thing back." It may not be the most mature line of thinking but it isn't totally unreasonable either.

I also wonderhow this teacher has treated the student in the past. I seriously doubt this is the first time the two have butted heads and I have seen some teachers treat specific students like crap and have actually been treated unfairly myself at one point (Gotta love getting a lower mark than your other two group members on a team project for no actual reason) so I can't dismiss this students actions as unjust even if they are immature.

[QUOTE="Jaguar_Shade"]Was his name "Adam" ? LOL!!!! loco145

Edit: Oh, hehe. He might have also meant Adam's apple, the lump in your throat. Actually, I think the Bible part is where Adam's apple comes from.

um guys what the heck is a spring? I'm sure he doesn't have a water geyser in his pocket and I'm sure he can't really control the seasons, it being still winter, so what is the article referring to? Perhaps I have misread something? Is it something similar to a retainer or a pencil sharpener or what?

Plus, why didn't he just eat the apple? Oh was it a red apple by the way? (cliches ftw! amirite?)

Oh and to those defending the school, you should think of what this kids mentality likely was. I bet his line of thinking was "She took something of mine so I should take something of hers untill I get my thing back." It may not be the most mature line of thinking but it isn't totally unreasonable either.LostProphetFLCL

Uh... yes it was. When it got to the point of a cop directly telling him he's got two options: return the item or face arrest... his actions were way beyond the point of becoming unreasonable.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]Oh and to those defending the school, you should think of what this kids mentality likely was. I bet his line of thinking was "She took something of mine so I should take something of hers untill I get my thing back." It may not be the most mature line of thinking but it isn't totally unreasonable either.Oleg_Huzwog

Uh... yes it was. When it got to the point of a cop directly telling him he's got two options: return the item or face arrest... his actions were way beyond the point of becoming unreasonable.

More like the actions of the school were unreasonable and pushed this situation WAY farther than it needed to go....

And no his actions still weren't THAT unreasonable because she took his stuff first and he had been demanding the whole time to get HIS item back. Remember the whole time he was telling the cops to get his item back and them threatening him with arrest probably just made him even more mad.

How would you feel if someone took something from you, you took something of theirs to try and get your item back, they called the cops and despite repeatedly asking the cops for your item back they just simply told YOU to return the item you grabbed as a bargaining tool?

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]Oh and to those defending the school, you should think of what this kids mentality likely was. I bet his line of thinking was "She took something of mine so I should take something of hers untill I get my thing back." It may not be the most mature line of thinking but it isn't totally unreasonable either.LostProphetFLCL

Uh... yes it was. When it got to the point of a cop directly telling him he's got two options: return the item or face arrest... his actions were way beyond the point of becoming unreasonable.

More like the actions of the school were unreasonable and pushed this situation WAY farther than it needed to go....

And no his actions still weren't THAT unreasonable because she took his stuff first and he had been demanding the whole time to get HIS item back. Remember the whole time he was telling the cops to get his item back and them threatening him with arrest probably just made him even more mad.

How would you feel if someone took something from you, you took something of theirs to try and get your item back, they called the cops and despite repeatedly asking the cops for your item back they just simply told YOU to return the item you grabbed as a bargaining tool?

How would you feel if someone took something from you, you took something of theirs to try and get your item back, they called the cops and despite repeatedly asking the cops for your item back they just simply told YOU to return the item you grabbed as a bargaining tool?

LostProphetFLCL

I did that once. I was 4 years old at the time. :| (substitute "cops" for "mommy")

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Jaguar_Shade"]Was his name "Adam" ? LOL!!!! tktomo01

Edit: Oh, hehe. He might have also meant Adam's apple, the lump in your throat. Actually, I think the Bible part is where Adam's apple comes from.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Uh... yes it was. When it got to the point of a cop directly telling him he's got two options: return the item or face arrest... his actions were way beyond the point of becoming unreasonable.

Jandurin

More like the actions of the school were unreasonable and pushed this situation WAY farther than it needed to go....

And no his actions still weren't THAT unreasonable because she took his stuff first and he had been demanding the whole time to get HIS item back. Remember the whole time he was telling the cops to get his item back and them threatening him with arrest probably just made him even more mad.

How would you feel if someone took something from you, you took something of theirs to try and get your item back, they called the cops and despite repeatedly asking the cops for your item back they just simply told YOU to return the item you grabbed as a bargaining tool?

I am not sure about the pride thing. I remember hearing kids spout off about how mad their were when their stuff got confiscated, granted they were things much cooler than springs...

I am not sure about the pride thing. I remember hearing kids spout off about how mad their were when their stuff got confiscated, granted they were things much cooler than springs...

LostProphetFLCL

"so a photo of the apple was taken and submitted into evidence" What's wrong with this world :lol: Clearly he took the Apple! It's also a stupid reason to get arrested for.Gaming-Planet

[QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"]"so a photo of the apple was taken and submitted into evidence" What's wrong with this world :lol: Clearly he took the Apple! It's also a stupid reason to get arrested for.dnuggs40

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"]"so a photo of the apple was taken and submitted into evidence" What's wrong with this world :lol: Clearly he took the Apple! It's also a stupid reason to get arrested for.JabbaDaHutt30

Makes perfect sense. Murder, assault, and theft are all crimes punishable by imprisonment. Whats even worse is the officer even gave him a chance...yet the stupid kid still refused. Stupidity of this magnitude should be a crime.

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"] It's not a stupid reason...a POLICE OFFICER gave him an order to give it back, and he refused. The result is of course jail. Anyways, based on some of the responses in this thread, I am guessing jail/prison is in some of you people's future lol. I am sure you will be sitting in the stockade wondering why you are there, too. "hey man! I didn't do anythin wrong! You gotta believe me!"dnuggs40

Makes perfect sense. Murder, assault, and theft are all crimes punishable by imprisonment. Whats even worse is the officer even gave him a chance...yet the stupid kid still refused. Stupidity of this magnitude should be a crime.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"] Convict nr. 1: So what are you in here fo, fellas? Convict nr. 2: I murdered a couple. Convict nr. 3 I set my wife's hair on fire because the divorce was bleeding me dry. 18 year old kid: I stole an apple.JabbaDaHutt30

um guys what the heck is a spring? I'm sure he doesn't have a water geyser in his pocket and I'm sure he can't really control the seasons, it being still winter, so what is the article referring to? Perhaps I have misread something? Is it something similar to a retainer or a pencil sharpener or what?

Plus, why didn't he just eat the apple? Oh was it a red apple by the way? (cliches ftw! amirite?)

thattotally

lol holy crap. Why not just suspend him or something, don't flippin arrest him for taking an apple. Morphic

fAIL. tHIS IS SUCH A FAIL, THAT I'M REVERSING MY UPPER AND LOWER CASES. iF I'M REVERSING THEM, THAN THAT IS ONE BIG FAIL.

But seriously!! That is one of the stupidest reasons to arrest someone! It's just an apple!

This situation is the kind of situation in which you can think the teacher is stupid, and it's probably true for that time. Well, that's what I think.

fAIL. tHIS IS SUCH A FAIL, THAT I'M REVERSING MY UPPER AND LOWER CASES. iF I'M REVERSING THEM, THAN THAT IS ONE BIG FAIL.

But seriously!! That is one of the stupidest reasons to arrest someone! It's just an apple!

This situation is the kind of situation in which you can think the teacher is stupid, and it's probably true for that time. Well, that's what I think.

MOCHIRON_MAN

What the? I can't help but laugh about this, its just so stupid.cryptosopoidium

[QUOTE="cryptosopoidium"]What the? I can't help but laugh about this, its just so stupid._LiquidFlame_

the teacher could've dropped charges. The teacher WANTED this arrest to happen. Was it within the law? Yes, but it's also a complete waste of the police's time. Also, the boy is over 18 which means this teacher was more than happy to give the poor kid a possible criminal record over a freaking apple. Honestly, what the hell is wrong with this person? It's an apple, let it go. Who calls the cops and presses charges on a student over a freaking apple?Paladin_King

You act as if the teenager was a perfect little angel who just accidentally stole the apple and refused to give it back.

The kid disrupted the class in order to steal damn fruit, and he still refused to give it back even when a police officer told him directly. Honestly, he's an idiot who deserves a day or two in the slammer.

[QUOTE="Morphic"]lol holy crap. Why not just suspend him or something, don't flippin arrest him for taking an apple. dnuggs40

what i don't understand is why can't the kid press charges for the teacher stealing his spring? well we all know the answer to that...but thinking about it just makes this even more rediculousGokuja

You're right, we do all know the answer to that: confiscation =/= theft.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="Morphic"]lol holy crap. Why not just suspend him or something, don't flippin arrest him for taking an apple. Gokuja

It's not up to the law or the school to decide if jail will straighten the kid out or not...it's their job to educate him and enforce the rules. He broke the rules, then still refused to listen when asked. The teacher then called in the dean, who again asked him to follow the rules, and AGAIN he refused. In fact, they asked 3 times. After that the only solution they had was to call law enforcement as he stole something from the teacher. And EVEN THEN he didn't have to go to jail...he could have given back the apple at the officer's request...yet AGAIN he refused. The appropriate actions were taken, the kid is just a moron who got EXACTLY what he deserved.