Student Arrested After Stealing Teacher's Apple.

why not expel the kid? make him take a GED course. he's obviously a total moron! LOL JK

have they never heard of DETENTION????

alright heres whats stupid about this

• the kids stupid for disrupting class
• the teachers stupid for calling the dean
• the dean is stupid for calling the police
• the teachers more stupid for pressing charges
• the kids even more stupid for saying so what to the cop

i think people need to reevaluate what is considered bad

like stealing an apple is not bad stealing atvor money is bad cause those things matter

why not expel the kid? make him take a GED course. he's obviously a total moron! LOL JK

have they never heard of DETENTION????

Talldude80

have they never heard of DETENTION???? Talldude80

That doesn't resolve the issue of returning the stolen property to its owner.

[QUOTE="Gokuja"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"] Because he refused to give it back to the teacher, and it was escalated to the dean, and when he refused then an OFFICER OF THE LAW told him to give it back, and again he refused. There is absolutely nothing confusing here...this kid's mouth and actions cashed a check bigger then he could handle.dnuggs40

...its an apple......if your saying that you can be thrown in jail for idiocy. then how many americans are next. you first?Gokuja

As was revealed earlier in the thread, it wasn't an actual apple; it was a glass apple desk ornament.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="Gokuja"] I think we all agree that the kids an idiot. but if he is going to be that stupid infront of the law, then jail isn't going to do anything either. the police shouldn't have even of been called. kick him out of class, give him detention, suspend him or something thats what schools do. Don't call the law over an apple. according to the article the kid and his parents think that this is rediculous and he obviously won't learn anything from it. In his mind he thinks he didn't do anything wrong, so it won't teach him anything and is just a waste of everyones time. let the kid get out of school, rob a store or something...then throw him in jail. or who knows maybe he will grow up and staighten himself out. probably not.Gokuja

[QUOTE="Gokuja"]what i don't understand is why can't the kid press charges for the teacher stealing his spring? well we all know the answer to that...but thinking about it just makes this even more rediculousOleg_Huzwog

You're right, we do all know the answer to that: confiscation =/= theft.

[QUOTE="Gokuja"]what i don't understand is why can't the kid press charges for the teacher stealing his spring? well we all know the answer to that...but thinking about it just makes this even more rediculousOleg_Huzwog

You're right, we do all know the answer to that: confiscation =/= theft.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Gokuja"]what i don't understand is why can't the kid press charges for the teacher stealing his spring? well we all know the answer to that...but thinking about it just makes this even more rediculousGokuja

You're right, we do all know the answer to that: confiscation =/= theft.

[QUOTE="Gokuja"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"] It's not up to the law or the school to decide if jail will straighten the kid out or not...it's their job to educate him and ensure he is following the rules. He broke the rules, then still refused to listen when asked. The teacher then called in the dean, who again asked him to follow the rules, and AGAIN he refused. In fact, they asked 3 times. After that the only solution they had was to call law enforcement as he stole something from the teacher. And EVEN THEN he didn't have to go to jail...he could have given back the apple at the officer's request...yet AGAIN he refused. The appropriate actions were taken, the kid is just a moron who got EXACTLY what he deserved.dnuggs40

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[QUOTE="Gokuja"]what i don't understand is why can't the kid press charges for the teacher stealing his spring? well we all know the answer to that...but thinking about it just makes this even more rediculousGokuja

You're right, we do all know the answer to that: confiscation =/= theft.

Nice try, but confiscation (by definition) can only be done by a person in a position of authority.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Gokuja"]what i don't understand is why can't the kid press charges for the teacher stealing his spring? well we all know the answer to that...but thinking about it just makes this even more rediculousJabbaDaHutt30

You're right, we do all know the answer to that: confiscation =/= theft.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="Gokuja"] ...its an apple......if your saying that you can be thrown in jail for idiocy. then how many americans are next. you first?Gokuja

[QUOTE="Gokuja"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

You're right, we do all know the answer to that: confiscation =/= theft.

dnuggs40

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="Gokuja"] oh ok. so you can take something from someone and just say I'll give this back to you. I'll try that sometime. And by what you just said. the kid obviously confiscated the apple, because he was going to give it back under the terms that the teacher gives his spring back. and the teacher confiscated the spring to make the kid stop disrupting class. all im saying is that if the teacher can press charges for the kid taking his apple, the kid should be able to do the same thing. because they are both equally rediculous and pointless in the whole mess of things. you can label it anything you want. doesn't mean its any differentGokuja

[QUOTE="Gokuja"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

You're right, we do all know the answer to that: confiscation =/= theft.

Oleg_Huzwog

Nice try, but confiscation (by definition) can only be done by a person in a position of authority.

i know how school works. but once you call the cops. the kid should be able to pull the same shenanigans. the teacher did steal his spring. and your insult was really lame and uncalled for. can we stop the childish banter? or if it makes you feel better call everyone else an idiot just cause they don't agree with youGokuja

Except, the teacher didn't steal anything. She confiscated it. Once again, confiscation =/= theft.

[QUOTE="Gokuja"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"] No, but if you ever become a teacher you can confiscate any items that a student uses to disrupt a class. While a kid is attending school, they are under the authority of the school and it's educators. Are you seriously not smart enough to see the obvious difference?dnuggs40

And i thought i was going to get away with hitting on the teacher :(

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="Gokuja"] i know how school works. but once you call the cops. the kid should be able to pull the same shenanigans. the teacher did steal his spring. and your insult was really lame and uncalled for. can we stop the childish banter? or if it makes you feel better call everyone else an idiot just cause they don't agree with youGokuja

*facepalm*

Anyways...stay in school.

[QUOTE="Gokuja"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"] No, she CONFISCATED his spring lol. Good lord...are we going to see you in the news sometime soon too?dnuggs40

*facepalm*

Anyways...stay in school.

and he confiscated her apple. but oleg has shown me the way. im just saying its really both stealing. but higher ups winGokuja

I've almost shown you the way, but your statement of "really both stealing" suggests I didn't quite get the job done. :P

Let's take a more extreme scenario: if I was caught driving drunk and a judge revoked my license... could I say the judge stole from me?

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

[QUOTE="Gokuja"]
and he confiscated her apple. but oleg has shown me the way. im just saying its really both stealing. but higher ups winGokuja

*facepalm*

Anyways...stay in school.

No worries. Anyways, Oleg is still conducting cIass and it seems you haven't quite understood the lesson today. Please pay attention to ensure maximum retention of todays lesson!

[QUOTE="Gokuja"]and he confiscated her apple. but oleg has shown me the way. im just saying its really both stealing. but higher ups winOleg_Huzwog

I've almost shown you the way, but your statement of "really both stealing" suggests I didn't quite get the job done. :P

Let's take a more extreme scenario: if I was caught driving drunk and a judge revoked my license... could I say the judge stole from me?

[QUOTE="Gokuja"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

*facepalm*

Anyways...stay in school.

dnuggs40

Well I was trying to get you to at least acknowledge my point in that if it weren't for the addition of "someone with authority" it would just be labeled as stealing, no? just saying that technically it is stealing because he took it away. but yes by definition your right. I just hope you agree with my point somewhat at least. and yes i know thats why we have words to distinguish stealing from confiscating or w/e. but its still stealing :PGokuja

If this were a quarrel among neighbors, then yes... both parties would be guilty of theft - wrongfully taking the property of another. You're right in that the "someone with authority" is all that separates confiscation from theft. But that one key phrase is very VERY important; we can't just dismiss it as a minor detail. There is no "technically the teacher stole". Such a statement would be false; there is no technical truth of any kind in it. Both the teacher and student took something that belonged to the other, but only one of those two can we say "stole" from the other.

An 18-year-old Port St. Lucie High School student was arrested Tuesday after he stole an apple from a teacher who confiscated a small spring he used to disrupt class, according to a St. Lucie County Sheriff's Office arrest report obtained Thursday.

Dylan Morrison is charged with petit theft and disruption of a school function.

According to the report, Morrison was making noise with the spring when his teacher confiscated it, so he became upset and took a red apple from the teacher's desk. The teacher asked for the apple to be returned, but Morrison refused unless the spring was returned.

When the teacher summoned the dean of students, who made three requests for the apple to be returned, Morrison still refused, so authorities were called, the report stated.

After the arresting officer arrived and warned Morrison that criminal charges could be filed if he didn't return the apple, Morrison replied, "So what? I'm not leaving without my spring," the report stated.

Morrison was then taken into custody.

Krystal Morrison said she was dumfounded that her son would be arrested because of the incident.

"I mean, I thought maybe something else could've been done," she said.

The dean said he would press charges, so a photo of the apple was taken and submitted into evidence. The spring was also submitted into evidence.

"I thought it was dumb," Morrison said of the arrest.

Source.

Omg, Burn him on a stake!

loco145

LOL wut?

This is how it should have gone down.

1. The teacher should have first asked the student for the spring... Taking it without the student's permission can potentially cause conflict to arise.
2. If he refused to give it to her, she could have sent him to the office, where the student would be disciplined.

This kid is a bit immature, but the teacher is a downright moron.

Stupid article, stupid people involved. The kid could've easily been givin detention as many others have mentioned, or something else entirely. Calling the cops, though? Blasphemy, imo. This is also a case in which a teacher, just like many other folks who work in a specific career, think they're above everyone else. "Oh, I'm a teacher, so I'm better than anyone." Please... I would've givin the apple back and looked at both the cops and the teacher like they were mental.NYCKing87

This is correct

1. The teacher should have first asked the student for the spring... Taking it without the student's permission can potentially cause conflict to arise.
TheDawnofFlames

I couldn't disagree more. The teacher shouldn't have to ask for a student's permission. They aren't peers. They aren't equals. They're the authority.

[QUOTE="TheDawnofFlames"]1. The teacher should have first asked the student for the spring... Taking it without the student's permission can potentially cause conflict to arise.
Oleg_Huzwog

I couldn't disagree more. The teacher shouldn't have to ask for a student's permission. They aren't peers. They aren't equals. They're the authority.

[QUOTE="TheDawnofFlames"]1. The teacher should have first asked the student for the spring... Taking it without the student's permission can potentially cause conflict to arise.
Oleg_Huzwog

I couldn't disagree more. The teacher shouldn't have to ask for a student's permission. They aren't peers. They aren't equals. They're the authority.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="TheDawnofFlames"]1. The teacher should have first asked the student for the spring... Taking it without the student's permission can potentially cause conflict to arise.
TheDawnofFlames

I couldn't disagree more. The teacher shouldn't have to ask for a student's permission. They aren't peers. They aren't equals. They're the authority.

You sure didn't see my point. TheDawnofFlames

What is stated on paper doesn't exactly work out the same way in real life. People are human, reactions vary. TheDawnofFlames

Ah ok, now you are trying to pretend what it'is in the story isn't how it went down...when all else fails it's conspiracy time! So tell me...how do you see this all going down?

The kid is a punk...he even told to cop he doesn't care and refused a lawful order. There is no reason to doubt "what was on paper"...it's pretty clear.

[QUOTE="TheDawnofFlames"]You sure didn't see my point. dnuggs40

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="TheDawnofFlames"]You sure didn't see my point. DigitalExile

Did you even read the article? She called the dean first, and when the punk kid refused to listen to the dean, THEN they called the police.

It wasn't a teacher "power tripping", it was a punk kid with no respect getting what he deserved.

[QUOTE="TheDawnofFlames"]You sure didn't see my point. dnuggs40

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"] Of course I did, it just was categorically wrong lol. You said just because she has a right, doesn't give here the right. Obviously it does, considering it was his actions that prompted her taking his spring away in the first place. She has the right, and he caused and situation that required her to respond using the authority given to her by the school system. Sorry, it's the way it is.dnuggs40

Did you even read the article? She called the dean first, and when the punk kid refused to listen to the dean, THEN they called the police.

It wasn't a teacher "power tripping", it was a punk kid with no respect getting what he deserved.

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Apple.

That's what it boils down to.

How is this news? Somebody stole something that belonged to another person, and he's being charged with theft.

What's next? "Man arrested for sleeping in a no-loitering zone?"

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="TheDawnofFlames"]You sure didn't see my point. TheDawnofFlames

Half your post is non-sense, and the other half is just incorrect. First of all, she asked for her apple back and he refused, so what makes you so sure anything else she asked would have been respected? In fact, the dean from the school asked THREE times, and he also refused the request of a POLICE OFFICER. On top of it all, he was being disrespectful by causing a disrucption in the first place. I don't see anywhere here that we can give this kid the benefit of doubt.

Also, you guys REALLY need to actually read the story...because you guys keep repeating yourselfs and saying things like she should have sent to him to the principles office...SHE TRIED THAT. She called the school dean, who asked him three times, and he STILL refused.

And don't pity me, you are the one who can't see a clear case of a punk doing something stupid. If you can't see it, I can only imagine it's because you are just like him.

1) The teacher was well within her rights as an authority figure at the school.

2) The kid was causing a disruption, which gave her a REASON to consfiscate the item in question.

3) The kid then STOLE an item from the teachers desk, and REFUSED to give it back.

4) The incedent was escalated and the dean of the school was notified.

5) The dean asked three times for the return of the teacher's property, all denied.

6) The dean/teacher then called the police, who gave him ANOTHER chance to return the item, again, denied.

7) Punk kid in jail.

That's it...that's the reality of the situation.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]She has the right to confiscate it with permission. I don't recall if the article said she asked for it or not. Regardless, she should have just kicked him out of the classroom, or suspended him for the matter, not get the kid aressted. That's immature on her part, and was just some stupid teacher power tripping.DigitalExile

Did you even read the article? She called the dean first, and when the punk kid refused to listen to the dean, THEN they called the police.

It wasn't a teacher "power tripping", it was a punk kid with no respect getting what he deserved.

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Apple.

That's what it boils down to.

What's the difference? Theft is theft...a lesson that stupid kid obviously needed to learn.