Student Arrested for absolutely no good reason

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/27/student.essay.arrest.ap/index.html

Opinions? I for one think this the biggest load of **** ever :)

He'll be investigated and out on bail or the charges will be dropped.  However, if they didn't act and he shot up a school...they'd be in trouble that way...which is more deadly.  Zero tolerance for violence in schools now...and it has to be that way for the safety of other students.LJS9502_basic

I have no problem with them looking into this matter further and making sure he is not some sociopath.  But arresting him and charging him with a crime is a little excessive.  Thoughts are not crimes.

He'll be investigated and out on bail or the charges will be dropped. However, if they didn't act and he shot up a school...they'd be in trouble that way...which is more deadly. Zero tolerance for violence in schools now...and it has to be that way for the safety of other students.LJS9502_basic

Eh, he'll be fine.

 I suppose it's understandable that authorities are overly cautious in the hopes that people don't die.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He'll be investigated and out on bail or the charges will be dropped.  However, if they didn't act and he shot up a school...they'd be in trouble that way...which is more deadly.  Zero tolerance for violence in schools now...and it has to be that way for the safety of other students.sonicare

I have no problem with them looking into this matter further and making sure he is not some sociopath.  But arresting him and charging him with a crime is a little excessive.  Thoughts are not crimes.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He'll be investigated and out on bail or the charges will be dropped. However, if they didn't act and he shot up a school...they'd be in trouble that way...which is more deadly. Zero tolerance for violence in schools now...and it has to be that way for the safety of other students.Account_27

Exactly, the government does not have the right to press charges for something you said. They can send him to all the pyschiatrists they want, but they can not or should not oppress someone's right to free speech.

 EDIT: Except for direct threats of course ;)

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He'll be investigated and out on bail or the charges will be dropped.  However, if they didn't act and he shot up a school...they'd be in trouble that way...which is more deadly.  Zero tolerance for violence in schools now...and it has to be that way for the safety of other students.LJS9502_basic

I have no problem with them looking into this matter further and making sure he is not some sociopath.  But arresting him and charging him with a crime is a little excessive.  Thoughts are not crimes.

That's why I stated that it's ok to investigate his statements, but pressing criminal charges based on a simple fictional exercise is unfounded.  Most sociopaths have a pattern of behavior that involves more than one incidence. 

That's why I stated that it's ok to investigate his statements, but pressing criminal charges based on a simple fictional exercise is unfounded.  Most sociopaths have a pattern of behavior that involves more than one incidence. 

sonicare

They have to charge him with something to take him in.  My guess is a psychiatrist will evaluate him and if he's not a threat the charges will be dropped.  Only someone with issues or severly unintelligent would write such a thing in today's society, particularly after what just happened in Virginia.

Wow, they better go arrest Steven King too. He's written some really nasty stuff.Zeke129

[QUOTE="Zeke129"]Wow, they better go arrest Steven King too. He's written some really nasty stuff.Robograndma

I don't care if he wrote about hijacking a plane while at the airport! You can't arrest someone for something protected under free speech.

Democracy is becoming more and more of an illusion.

[QUOTE="Robograndma"][QUOTE="Zeke129"]Wow, they better go arrest Steven King too. He's written some really nasty stuff.Zeke129

I don't care if he wrote about hijacking a plane while at the airport! You can't arrest someone for something protected under free speech.

Democracy is becoming more and more of an illusion.

[QUOTE="Zeke129"]

[QUOTE="Robograndma"][QUOTE="Zeke129"]Wow, they better go arrest Steven King too. He's written some really nasty stuff.Robograndma

I don't care if he wrote about hijacking a plane while at the airport! You can't arrest someone for something protected under free speech.

Democracy is becoming more and more of an illusion.

"It would be funny to dream about burning down a building....."

Oh no! Millions are in danger at that vague statement! Quick, call the police! He may do something vague!

appropriate... considering those are the signs the virginia tech shooter showed before going bonker. so we are paranoid, so what? if it may save lives... mumotuma_man

Read the damn article.

The teacher told them to not censor your writing. He was following directions. No lives were saved, but one was ruined. That should keep us safe!

[QUOTE="Account_27"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He'll be investigated and out on bail or the charges will be dropped. However, if they didn't act and he shot up a school...they'd be in trouble that way...which is more deadly. Zero tolerance for violence in schools now...and it has to be that way for the safety of other students.Nisstyre_56

Exactly, the government does not have the right to press charges for something you said. They can send him to all the pyschiatrists they want, but they can not or should not oppress someone's right to free speech.

 EDIT: Except for direct threats of course ;)

hmm i dont think anyone's entitled to the right of any mentally/emotionally disturbing speeches - may it be indirect or direct threats. :P though i firmly believe the teacher just tempted the students to write swear words, so in that case, i think the teacher should be the one in jail for wrongly educating the students.

[QUOTE="Robograndma"][QUOTE="Zeke129"]

[QUOTE="Robograndma"][QUOTE="Zeke129"]Wow, they better go arrest Steven King too. He's written some really nasty stuff.Zeke129

I don't care if he wrote about hijacking a plane while at the airport! You can't arrest someone for something protected under free speech.

Democracy is becoming more and more of an illusion.

"It would be funny to dream about burning down a building....."

Oh no! Millions are in danger at that vague statement! Quick, call the police! He may do something vague!

[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]

[QUOTE="Account_27"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He'll be investigated and out on bail or the charges will be dropped. However, if they didn't act and he shot up a school...they'd be in trouble that way...which is more deadly. Zero tolerance for violence in schools now...and it has to be that way for the safety of other students.rowzzr

Exactly, the government does not have the right to press charges for something you said. They can send him to all the pyschiatrists they want, but they can not or should not oppress someone's right to free speech.

EDIT: Except for direct threats of course ;)

hmm i dont think anyone's entitled to the right of any mentally/emotionally disturbing speeches - may it be indirect or direct threats. :P

I might burn a building down someday. In fact, I may even steal a car. And it may or may not result in loss of life. 

Should I be arrested? 

[QUOTE="rowzzr"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]

[QUOTE="Account_27"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He'll be investigated and out on bail or the charges will be dropped. However, if they didn't act and he shot up a school...they'd be in trouble that way...which is more deadly. Zero tolerance for violence in schools now...and it has to be that way for the safety of other students.Zeke129

Exactly, the government does not have the right to press charges for something you said. They can send him to all the pyschiatrists they want, but they can not or should not oppress someone's right to free speech.

EDIT: Except for direct threats of course ;)

hmm i dont think anyone's entitled to the right of any mentally/emotionally disturbing speeches - may it be indirect or direct threats. :P

I might burn a building down someday. In fact, I may even steal a car. And it may or may not result in loss of life. 

Should I be arrested? 

if osama said that, you'd probably feel a tad different about that statement. it's just about knowing who's gonna start what. and they feel that that student might start something.

[QUOTE="Zeke129"][QUOTE="rowzzr"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]

[QUOTE="Account_27"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He'll be investigated and out on bail or the charges will be dropped. However, if they didn't act and he shot up a school...they'd be in trouble that way...which is more deadly. Zero tolerance for violence in schools now...and it has to be that way for the safety of other students.rowzzr

Exactly, the government does not have the right to press charges for something you said. They can send him to all the pyschiatrists they want, but they can not or should not oppress someone's right to free speech.

EDIT: Except for direct threats of course ;)

hmm i dont think anyone's entitled to the right of any mentally/emotionally disturbing speeches - may it be indirect or direct threats. :P

I might burn a building down someday. In fact, I may even steal a car. And it may or may not result in loss of life.

Should I be arrested?

if osama said that, you'd probably feel a tad different about that statement. it's just about knowing who's gonna start what. and they feel that that student might start something.

Right. Osama has a history of crime. I do not. Neither did the kid in that article.

See where I'm going with this? 

[QUOTE="rowzzr"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]

[QUOTE="Account_27"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He'll be investigated and out on bail or the charges will be dropped. However, if they didn't act and he shot up a school...they'd be in trouble that way...which is more deadly. Zero tolerance for violence in schools now...and it has to be that way for the safety of other students.Zeke129

Exactly, the government does not have the right to press charges for something you said. They can send him to all the pyschiatrists they want, but they can not or should not oppress someone's right to free speech.

EDIT: Except for direct threats of course ;)

hmm i dont think anyone's entitled to the right of any mentally/emotionally disturbing speeches - may it be indirect or direct threats. :P

I might burn a building down someday. In fact, I may even steal a car. And it may or may not result in loss of life.

Should I be arrested?

[QUOTE="Zeke129"][QUOTE="rowzzr"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]

[QUOTE="Account_27"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He'll be investigated and out on bail or the charges will be dropped. However, if they didn't act and he shot up a school...they'd be in trouble that way...which is more deadly. Zero tolerance for violence in schools now...and it has to be that way for the safety of other students.Robograndma

Exactly, the government does not have the right to press charges for something you said. They can send him to all the pyschiatrists they want, but they can not or should not oppress someone's right to free speech.

EDIT: Except for direct threats of course ;)

hmm i dont think anyone's entitled to the right of any mentally/emotionally disturbing speeches - may it be indirect or direct threats. :P

I might burn a building down someday. In fact, I may even steal a car. And it may or may not result in loss of life.

Should I be arrested?

Who gets to decide that? 

[QUOTE="Robograndma"][QUOTE="Zeke129"][QUOTE="rowzzr"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]

[QUOTE="Account_27"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He'll be investigated and out on bail or the charges will be dropped. However, if they didn't act and he shot up a school...they'd be in trouble that way...which is more deadly. Zero tolerance for violence in schools now...and it has to be that way for the safety of other students.Zeke129

Exactly, the government does not have the right to press charges for something you said. They can send him to all the pyschiatrists they want, but they can not or should not oppress someone's right to free speech.

EDIT: Except for direct threats of course ;)

hmm i dont think anyone's entitled to the right of any mentally/emotionally disturbing speeches - may it be indirect or direct threats. :P

I might burn a building down someday. In fact, I may even steal a car. And it may or may not result in loss of life.

Should I be arrested?

Who gets to decide that?

[QUOTE="Zeke129"][QUOTE="Robograndma"][QUOTE="Zeke129"][QUOTE="rowzzr"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]

[QUOTE="Account_27"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He'll be investigated and out on bail or the charges will be dropped. However, if they didn't act and he shot up a school...they'd be in trouble that way...which is more deadly. Zero tolerance for violence in schools now...and it has to be that way for the safety of other students.Robograndma

Exactly, the government does not have the right to press charges for something you said. They can send him to all the pyschiatrists they want, but they can not or should not oppress someone's right to free speech.

EDIT: Except for direct threats of course ;)

hmm i dont think anyone's entitled to the right of any mentally/emotionally disturbing speeches - may it be indirect or direct threats. :P

I might burn a building down someday. In fact, I may even steal a car. And it may or may not result in loss of life.

Should I be arrested?

Who gets to decide that?

It wasn't for people's safety. There are millions of gang-bangers, serial killers, and pedophiles out there, but as long as Jonny the "violent writer" is behind bars, we should be okay.

[QUOTE="Robograndma"][QUOTE="Zeke129"][QUOTE="Robograndma"][QUOTE="Zeke129"][QUOTE="rowzzr"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]

[QUOTE="Account_27"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He'll be investigated and out on bail or the charges will be dropped. However, if they didn't act and he shot up a school...they'd be in trouble that way...which is more deadly. Zero tolerance for violence in schools now...and it has to be that way for the safety of other students.Zeke129

Exactly, the government does not have the right to press charges for something you said. They can send him to all the pyschiatrists they want, but they can not or should not oppress someone's right to free speech.

EDIT: Except for direct threats of course ;)

hmm i dont think anyone's entitled to the right of any mentally/emotionally disturbing speeches - may it be indirect or direct threats. :P

I might burn a building down someday. In fact, I may even steal a car. And it may or may not result in loss of life.

Should I be arrested?

Who gets to decide that?

It wasn't for people's safety. There are millions of gang-bangers, serial killers, and pedophiles out there, but as long as Jonny the "violent writer" is behind bars, we should be okay.

[QUOTE="Zeke129"][QUOTE="Robograndma"][QUOTE="Zeke129"][QUOTE="Robograndma"][QUOTE="Zeke129"][QUOTE="rowzzr"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]

[QUOTE="Account_27"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He'll be investigated and out on bail or the charges will be dropped. However, if they didn't act and he shot up a school...they'd be in trouble that way...which is more deadly. Zero tolerance for violence in schools now...and it has to be that way for the safety of other students.Robograndma

Exactly, the government does not have the right to press charges for something you said. They can send him to all the pyschiatrists they want, but they can not or should not oppress someone's right to free speech.

EDIT: Except for direct threats of course ;)

hmm i dont think anyone's entitled to the right of any mentally/emotionally disturbing speeches - may it be indirect or direct threats. :P

I might burn a building down someday. In fact, I may even steal a car. And it may or may not result in loss of life.

Should I be arrested?

Who gets to decide that?

It wasn't for people's safety. There are millions of gang-bangers, serial killers, and pedophiles out there, but as long as Jonny the "violent writer" is behind bars, we should be okay.

*sigh*

This kid wasn't a criminal. Period. 

Oh, this debate isn't over. :P

Sure, the constitution isn't in danger because of this one incident. But we've been on a slippery slope ever since 9/11 and/or Columbine. And you can't deny this. 

Oh, this debate isn't over. :P

Sure, the constitution isn't in danger because of this one incident. But we've been on a slippery slope ever since 9/11 and/or Columbine. And you can't deny this.

Zeke129

[QUOTE="Zeke129"]

Oh, this debate isn't over. :P

Sure, the constitution isn't in danger because of this one incident. But we've been on a slippery slope ever since 9/11 and/or Columbine. And you can't deny this.

Robograndma

The media doesn't care that the constitution is being destroyed. Hell, they're one of the biggest reasons.

You seem to be contradicting yourself or shifting your stance though. Maybe I'm just too tired for this. 

A high school senior was arrested after writing that "it would be funny" to dream about opening fire in a building and having sex with the dead victims, authorities said.AmberFire

   Yeah screw Freedom of Speech, we don't need it any more! 

  But in all seriousness he was probably doing this to get a rise after so shortly after the violence in schools.  Now should you have been arrested? No imo the government has no right what so ever.  Now should the school possibly make him see a psychologist? Yes I do.. 

   But it is utterly BS to inprison people on writtings..  

[QUOTE="Robograndma"][QUOTE="Zeke129"]

Oh, this debate isn't over. :P

Sure, the constitution isn't in danger because of this one incident. But we've been on a slippery slope ever since 9/11 and/or Columbine. And you can't deny this.

Zeke129

The media doesn't care that the constitution is being destroyed. Hell, they're one of the biggest reasons.

You seem to be contradicting yourself or shifting your stance though. Maybe I'm just too tired for this.

[QUOTE="Zeke129"]

Oh, this debate isn't over. :P

Sure, the constitution isn't in danger because of this one incident. But we've been on a slippery slope ever since 9/11 and/or Columbine. And you can't deny this.

Robograndma

  Yeah clearly they are alarmist when...

FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.  

This is just a taste of violations the government has done in the past couple of years..  The government has been constantly fearmongering saying our safety is more important then our freedoms.. No on the contrary our freedoms are far more important, in the end I will take my chances rather then having my freedoms stripped away form me.

[QUOTE="Zeke129"][QUOTE="Robograndma"][QUOTE="Zeke129"]

Oh, this debate isn't over. :P

Sure, the constitution isn't in danger because of this one incident. But we've been on a slippery slope ever since 9/11 and/or Columbine. And you can't deny this.

Robograndma

The media doesn't care that the constitution is being destroyed. Hell, they're one of the biggest reasons.

You seem to be contradicting yourself or shifting your stance though. Maybe I'm just too tired for this.

I don't want to change your opinion. Then there wouldn't be a debate.

Now, I'd like to put on the record that I don't live in the US. I live in Canada. And because of this, I will naturally have a different viewpoint of this "line" that the student supposedly crossed.  

But when a student gets arrested for something so innocent and frankly, immature, it's a scary thought. It's only a matter of time before people get arrested for a casual statement like "Wow. That *president/prime minister* is a jerk. Why can't someone assassinate him?".

Slippery slope.  

[QUOTE="Robograndma"][QUOTE="Zeke129"]

Oh, this debate isn't over. :P

Sure, the constitution isn't in danger because of this one incident. But we've been on a slippery slope ever since 9/11 and/or Columbine. And you can't deny this.

sSubZerOo

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Robograndma"][QUOTE="Zeke129"]

Oh, this debate isn't over. :P

Sure, the constitution isn't in danger because of this one incident. But we've been on a slippery slope ever since 9/11 and/or Columbine. And you can't deny this.

Robograndma

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

  "Our Endangered Values" By: Jimmy Carter.

  Hell lets not forget TORTURE.

  The point stands buddy, we as the people are fear leading retards who will give up every freedom we have to feel more secure.   It is a sad disgrace when the Framers of the Constitution risked EVERYTHING for these freedoms and ideas..  And we are giving them up to feel safer to threats that are non existent at times..

  For instance do you know you have a better chance of getting struck by Lightening then getting killed in a school shooting or terrorist attack?