Student Arrested for absolutely no good reason

It isn't against the law to have issues, or to be stupid.   This is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction by the school administration and the police.

Decessus

*sigh* How disappointing.

When public safety is at risk the rights of the one are not important.  In light of past and recent events it has become well known that joking or even suggesting a school massacre is NOT taken lightly.  Nothing remotely considered a weapon is allowed on school property.  This is no surprise to anyone.

Say hijack on  a plane, call in bomb threat, or yell fire in a crowded building and see what happens to your precious opinion.  Freedom is only guaranteed when society isn't being threatened.  He got what he deserved....or should the police and school have waited to if and how many students and teachers he killed first.  I'm sure it would be immense consolation to their parents that his twisted opinion was respected while the lives of others was not.

[QUOTE="Decessus"]

It isn't against the law to have issues, or to be stupid. This is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction by the school administration and the police.

LJS9502_basic

*sigh* How disappointing.

When public safety is at risk the rights of the one are not important. In light of past and recent events it has become well known that joking or even suggesting a school massacre is NOT taken lightly. Nothing remotely considered a weapon is allowed on school property. This is no surprise to anyone.

Say hijack on a plane, call in bomb threat, or yell fire in a crowded building and see what happens to your precious opinion. Freedom is only guaranteed when society isn't being threatened. He got what he deserved....or should the police and school have waited to if and how many students and teachers he killed first. I'm sure it would be immense consolation to their parents that his twisted opinion was respected while the lives of others was not.

In what way was public saftey at risk? 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

It isn't against the law to have issues, or to be stupid. This is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction by the school administration and the police.

Decessus

*sigh* How disappointing.

When public safety is at risk the rights of the one are not important. In light of past and recent events it has become well known that joking or even suggesting a school massacre is NOT taken lightly. Nothing remotely considered a weapon is allowed on school property. This is no surprise to anyone.

Say hijack on a plane, call in bomb threat, or yell fire in a crowded building and see what happens to your precious opinion. Freedom is only guaranteed when society isn't being threatened. He got what he deserved....or should the police and school have waited to if and how many students and teachers he killed first. I'm sure it would be immense consolation to their parents that his twisted opinion was respected while the lives of others was not.

In what way was public saftey at risk? 

Read up on school shootings and then answer your own question.  I've stated the reasons he was arrested several times.  I'm not going to agree with you.....I find it incomprehensible that you'd prefer more deaths to occur than a preventive investigation. 

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

It isn't against the law to have issues, or to be stupid. This is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction by the school administration and the police.

LJS9502_basic

*sigh* How disappointing.

When public safety is at risk the rights of the one are not important. In light of past and recent events it has become well known that joking or even suggesting a school massacre is NOT taken lightly. Nothing remotely considered a weapon is allowed on school property. This is no surprise to anyone.

Say hijack on a plane, call in bomb threat, or yell fire in a crowded building and see what happens to your precious opinion. Freedom is only guaranteed when society isn't being threatened. He got what he deserved....or should the police and school have waited to if and how many students and teachers he killed first. I'm sure it would be immense consolation to their parents that his twisted opinion was respected while the lives of others was not.

In what way was public saftey at risk?

Read up on school shootings and then answer your own question. I've stated the reasons he was arrested several times. I'm not going to agree with you.....I find it incomprehensible that you'd prefer more deaths to occur than a preventive investigation.

If you read what he wrote it just sounded like he was writing random gibberish. 

Read up on school shootings and then answer your own question. I've stated the reasons he was arrested several times. I'm not going to agree with you.....I find it incomprehensible that you'd prefer more deaths to occur than a preventive investigation. 

LJS9502_basic

*shrug* Suit yourself.  You are obviously not interested in hearing anyone else's opinion on the matter or engaging in any kind of constructive dialogue.  Instead you jump to the unwarranted conclusion that I'm supporting the deaths of more people.  

My suggestion to you is to have more of an open mind to the ideas of other people.  You are certainly not perfect, and you certainly do not know everything.  You don't have to agree with what I say, but you might still learn something by listening to what I have to say. 

If you read what he wrote it just sounded like he was writing random gibberish. 

gamerelite1

I read what he wrote and he deserved what he got.  I feel no sympathy.  Random gibberish, of course, would be an indicator of issues that need addressed.  If he was just being a smartass....then perhaps he's now learned something.  Either way....it's his fault.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Read up on school shootings and then answer your own question. I've stated the reasons he was arrested several times. I'm not going to agree with you.....I find it incomprehensible that you'd prefer more deaths to occur than a preventive investigation. 

Decessus

*shrug* Suit yourself.  You are obviously not interested in hearing anyone else's opinion on the matter or engaging in any kind of constructive dialogue.  Instead you jump to the unwarranted conclusion that I'm supporting the deaths of more people.  

My suggestion to you is to have more of an open mind to the ideas of other people.  You are certainly not perfect, and you certainly do not know everything.  You don't have to agree with what I say, but you might still learn something by listening to what I have to say. 

I've read your opinion....you seem to disregard what I say.  It's a complex issue and you've taken a very simplistic solution for it.  Of course you're okay with the death of others if you find it wrong to detain someone to make sure he's not a threat.

In society....for the second time....the safety of the majority takes precedence over the rights of the minority.  This is not a new concept.  You're not going to teach me something in the least.:lol:  I've already thought through both sides of the issue before forming my opinion.  Something you might try once in awhile.  You're not right all the time either buddy.

I've read your opinion....you seem to disregard what I say. It's a complex issue and you've taken a very simplistic solution for it. Of course you're okay with the death of others if you find it wrong to detain someone to make sure he's not a threat.

In society....for the second time....the safety of the majority takes precedence over the rights of the minority. This is not a new concept. You're not going to teach me something in the least.:lol: I've already thought through both sides of the issue before forming my opinion. Something you might try once in awhile. You're not right all the time either buddy.

LJS9502_basic

So you are saying that because this person wrote a violent descriptive creative writing paper, that he is a threat to society? 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I've read your opinion....you seem to disregard what I say. It's a complex issue and you've taken a very simplistic solution for it. Of course you're okay with the death of others if you find it wrong to detain someone to make sure he's not a threat.

In society....for the second time....the safety of the majority takes precedence over the rights of the minority. This is not a new concept. You're not going to teach me something in the least.:lol: I've already thought through both sides of the issue before forming my opinion. Something you might try once in awhile. You're not right all the time either buddy.

Decessus

So you are saying that because this person wrote a violent descriptive creative writing paper, that he is a threat to society?

Looking at both sides fully, it seems that he followed the directions of the assignment.  He wrote what came to his mind, uncensored.  Nowhere, however, did it say that they could write without fear of reprimand or have it be punishable if it was found to be worthy. 

And, I don't understand why people are defending this person.  I mean, he was told to write about what was in his mind and that is what he came up with?  Would any of you, in reality, want to be in school with him after knowing that is what he thinks about? 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I've read your opinion....you seem to disregard what I say. It's a complex issue and you've taken a very simplistic solution for it. Of course you're okay with the death of others if you find it wrong to detain someone to make sure he's not a threat.

In society....for the second time....the safety of the majority takes precedence over the rights of the minority. This is not a new concept. You're not going to teach me something in the least.:lol: I've already thought through both sides of the issue before forming my opinion. Something you might try once in awhile. You're not right all the time either buddy.

Decessus

So you are saying that because this person wrote a violent descriptive creative writing paper, that he is a threat to society?

  The way I see it, is it was completely uncalled for..  Even if this guy is a safety hazard who the hell says he may have to go to prison for NO crime..  Why not force him to see a psycho therapist constantly...

  Yeah it was freaking dumb and I have no sympathy for it.. BUT, WE CAN NOT ALLOW schools/government to do this.. The more we fearmonger the more freedoms we lose..  COLUMBINe is a prime example, people got suspended from school for bringing A FREAKING NAIL CLIPPER IN..

   And I hate to tell you buddy but we statistically have a better chance of getting struck by lightening or dieing in a car accident then getting shot in school.

  This is why I can't stand this, when something like VT happens people start crying that we should ban or take away even more of our freedoms...  Nothing should change past VT shooting, the only thing it has brought to attention is how the system messed up because people were not enforcing it properly.. To go beyond any of this is ludicrious because in the end you will never prevent the already small amount of shootings that happen..  S*it happens deal with it, if people can't go live in a plastic bubble 300 feet below the surface, I am sure you rlife will be WAY more fruitful that way.

So you are saying that because this person wrote a violent descriptive creative writing paper, that he is a threat to society? 

Decessus

I've explained this to you several times...you either aren't or won't get it.  He wrote that he wanted to open fire in a building and have sex with the dead bodies.  Considering what's been happening in schools in past years and less than a month ago in VT...the administration and teacher would be remiss if they didn't report his paper.  Can you positively say that the writer doesn't really think that way?  How many school killers wrote similiar things and acted on it?

As I've said...for, at least, the third time now.....public safety is the issue.  You either work or go to school....let's say someone calls in a bomb threat.  Should the school or employer wait to see if it was a joke or evacuate to save lives? 

Let's say the school did nothing and the police did nothing and next year this individual shoots up the school.  When this paper comes out....would you say they had a warning sign and something should have been done to prevent more dead?

There's no way without taking him in and investigating to know if he is a threat...or an idiot.  Should society gamble that he's the latter?

He should get arrested for that he is a sick man for thinking that stuff, we need those kind of people off the streetsUrbanSpartan125

As a creative writer, I feel that I have to distance myself from people like this.  I have attempted to write something like what he wrote (no, not about school shootings and being a necrophiliac).  This guy who was locked up in a house for years (still receiving human contact) leaves one day and meets this girl who he loves.  He flirts around until he blacks out.  The next day he finds out that the girl's ship had wrecked on some reefs and all drowned.  He is accused because he works in a lighthouse.  He gets into a fight with the girls boyfriend (unknown at the time) and promptly kills himself by throwing himself off of a cliff.  It never panned out past thinking about it.  But if I had typed it up and put it in a school publishing or given it to a teacher, if they had any sense (meaning thinking about my behaviour) and could draw parallels to how I think and the story, I'm sure as absolute hell they'd take me in for treatment.  It's happened once, because of depression.

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]He should get arrested for that he is a sick man for thinking that stuff, we need those kind of people off the streetsMattUD1

Yes...but you can't walk up to people and force them into therapy.  First, they have to arrest him and put him in the system.  That way, they can force the evaluation and therapy.  If it's true that the issue is mental then that is all that will happen to him.  If it's simply that he was stupid and thought that was funny....nothing major will happen.  Charges would be dropped after he got counseling or something similiar.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]He should get arrested for that he is a sick man for thinking that stuff, we need those kind of people off the streetsLJS9502_basic

Yes...but you can't walk up to people and force them into therapy. First, they have to arrest him and put him in the system. That way, they can force the evaluation and therapy. If it's true that the issue is mental then that is all that will happen to him. If it's simply that he was stupid and thought that was funny....nothing major will happen. Charges would be dropped after he got counseling or something similiar.

I think it's completely funny if everyone at my school was bald. Uh-Oh! I'm going to jail because people think I'm threatening to shave their heads.GiygasFanima

2.)Shaving heads isn't the same as killing people and then having sex with the bodies. 

[QUOTE="Decessus"]

So you are saying that because this person wrote a violent descriptive creative writing paper, that he is a threat to society?

LJS9502_basic

I've explained this to you several times...you either aren't or won't get it. He wrote that he wanted to open fire in a building and have sex with the dead bodies. Considering what's been happening in schools in past years and less than a month ago in VT...the administration and teacher would be remiss if they didn't report his paper. Can you positively say that the writer doesn't really think that way? How many school killers wrote similiar things and acted on it?

As I've said...for, at least, the third time now.....public safety is the issue. You either work or go to school....let's say someone calls in a bomb threat. Should the school or employer wait to see if it was a joke or evacuate to save lives?

Let's say the school did nothing and the police did nothing and next year this individual shoots up the school. When this paper comes out....would you say they had a warning sign and something should have been done to prevent more dead?

There's no way without taking him in and investigating to know if he is a threat...or an idiot. Should society gamble that he's the latter?

Do you know who James Wan and Leigh Whannell are? 

Do you know who James Wan and Leigh Whannell are?

Decessus

Do you know who James Wan and Leigh Whannell are? 

Decessus

They worked in the movie industry.  Do you know who Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were?

[QUOTE="Decessus"]

Do you know who James Wan and Leigh Whannell are?

LJS9502_basic

They worked in the movie industry. Do you know who Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were?

James Wan and Leigh Whannell wrote the screenplay for the movie Saw.  Since you believe that people who write violent and descriptive creative writing papers are a threat to society, should both of these people be arrested and given a psychiatric evaluation? 

James Wan and Leigh Whannell wrote the screenplay for the movie Saw.  Since you believe that people who write violent and descriptive creative writing papers are a threat to society, should both of these people be arrested and given a psychiatric evaluation? 

 

Decessus

Now you're really stretching.....I smell a hint of desperation in the air.  And I know they wrote Saw...big deal.  One is not equal to the other.  You've officially run out of ideas to discuss that have merit.  Thank you for your attempts...it was entertaining.;)

[QUOTE="Decessus"]

James Wan and Leigh Whannell wrote the screenplay for the movie Saw. Since you believe that people who write violent and descriptive creative writing papers are a threat to society, should both of these people be arrested and given a psychiatric evaluation?

 

LJS9502_basic

Now you're really stretching.....I smell a hint of desperation in the air. And I know they wrote Saw...big deal. One is not equal to the other. You've officially run out of ideas to discuss that have merit. Thank you for your attempts...it was entertaining.;)

If it's so desperate and stretching, why can't you come up with a reasonable response?

You say that one is not equal to the other but then you don't give an explanation as to why they are different. 

[QUOTE="Decessus"]

James Wan and Leigh Whannell wrote the screenplay for the movie Saw. Since you believe that people who write violent and descriptive creative writing papers are a threat to society, should both of these people be arrested and given a psychiatric evaluation?

 

LJS9502_basic

Now you're really stretching.....I smell a hint of desperation in the air. And I know they wrote Saw...big deal. One is not equal to the other. You've officially run out of ideas to discuss that have merit. Thank you for your attempts...it was entertaining.;)

He does have a little point.  Look, I understand why the school was worried, and why he did warrant being investigated.  But thrown in jail?  Couldn't they have talked with him?  Talked with his parents?  And, like the guy you quoted said, if a guy wrote a screenplay about hijacking a plane, after the 9/11 incident, do you think he should be thrown in jail?  Yes or no?

He does have a little point.  Look, I understand why the school was worried, and why he did warrant being investigated.  But thrown in jail?  Couldn't they have talked with him?  Talked with his parents?  And, like the guy you quoted said, if a guy wrote a screenplay about hijacking a plane, after the 9/11 incident, do you think he should be thrown in jail?  Yes or no?

Account_27

I put no merit in someone posting about the entertainment business. 

 As I've stated several times in this thread....you can't take school threats lightly anymore.  One thing that should have been learned from Columbine is that warning signs exist.  Does a school or law enforcement know which are innocent and which are not by first glance?  No.  Err on the side of caution is better than wait and see.  Waiting can lead to more deaths.  If he has mental problems they will now be addressed.  In addition, now he's not unknown and things he does can be taken seriously. 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

James Wan and Leigh Whannell wrote the screenplay for the movie Saw. Since you believe that people who write violent and descriptive creative writing papers are a threat to society, should both of these people be arrested and given a psychiatric evaluation?

 

Account_27

Now you're really stretching.....I smell a hint of desperation in the air. And I know they wrote Saw...big deal. One is not equal to the other. You've officially run out of ideas to discuss that have merit. Thank you for your attempts...it was entertaining.;)

He does have a little point. Look, I understand why the school was worried, and why he did warrant being investigated. But thrown in jail? Couldn't they have talked with him? Talked with his parents? And, like the guy you quoted said, if a guy wrote a screenplay about hijacking a plane, after the 9/11 incident, do you think he should be thrown in jail? Yes or no?

I put no merit in someone posting about the entertainment business.

As I've stated several times in this thread....you can't take school threats lightly anymore. One thing that should have been learned from Columbine is that warning signs exist. Does a school or law enforcement know which are innocent and which are not by first glance? No. Err on the side of caution is better than wait and see. Waiting can lead to more deaths. If he has mental problems they will now be addressed. In addition, now he's not unknown and things he does can be taken seriously.

LJS9502_basic

The paper wasn't a school threat. The following excerpts are from The Chicago Tribune:

"Allen Lee, an 18-year-old straight-A student at Cary-Grove High School, was arrested Tuesday near his home and charged with disorderly conduct for an essay police described as violently disturbing but not directed toward any specific person or location."

"Experts say the charge against Lee is troubling because it was over an essay that even police say contained no direct threats against anyone at the school."

[QUOTE="Account_27"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

James Wan and Leigh Whannell wrote the screenplay for the movie Saw. Since you believe that people who write violent and descriptive creative writing papers are a threat to society, should both of these people be arrested and given a psychiatric evaluation?

 

taker42

Now you're really stretching.....I smell a hint of desperation in the air. And I know they wrote Saw...big deal. One is not equal to the other. You've officially run out of ideas to discuss that have merit. Thank you for your attempts...it was entertaining.;)

He does have a little point. Look, I understand why the school was worried, and why he did warrant being investigated. But thrown in jail? Couldn't they have talked with him? Talked with his parents? And, like the guy you quoted said, if a guy wrote a screenplay about hijacking a plane, after the 9/11 incident, do you think he should be thrown in jail? Yes or no?

His paper was written in a creative writing cla-ss.. also fiction.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I put no merit in someone posting about the entertainment business.

As I've stated several times in this thread....you can't take school threats lightly anymore. One thing that should have been learned from Columbine is that warning signs exist. Does a school or law enforcement know which are innocent and which are not by first glance? No. Err on the side of caution is better than wait and see. Waiting can lead to more deaths. If he has mental problems they will now be addressed. In addition, now he's not unknown and things he does can be taken seriously.

Decessus

The paper wasn't a school threat.

Experts being his lawyers no doubt.  Like I said....err on the side of caution.    You are aware most school shooters don't care who they kill?  Aren't you?

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I put no merit in someone posting about the entertainment business.

As I've stated several times in this thread....you can't take school threats lightly anymore. One thing that should have been learned from Columbine is that warning signs exist. Does a school or law enforcement know which are innocent and which are not by first glance? No. Err on the side of caution is better than wait and see. Waiting can lead to more deaths. If he has mental problems they will now be addressed. In addition, now he's not unknown and things he does can be taken seriously.

LJS9502_basic

The paper wasn't a school threat.

Experts being his lawyers no doubt. Like I said....err on the side of caution. You are aware most school shooters don't care who they kill? Aren't you?

I'm also aware that this person has a 4.2 GPA, was enlisting in the Marines, and that writing a disturbing paper does not automatically make someone a school shooter.  

Here is an excerpt from the actual paper that he wrote:

"Blood, sex and booze. Drugs, drugs, drugs are fun. Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, s...t...a...b...puke. So I had this dream last night where I went into a building, pulled out two P90s and started shooting everyone, then had sex with the dead bodies. Well, not really, but it would be funny if I did."

"A person is smart, but people are dumb selfish animals. We can't make rules for ourselves so we vote others to do it for us, but we can't even do that right, I mean seriously, Bush for President?

"My current English teacher is a control freak intent on setting a gap between herself and her students like a 63 year old white male fortune 500 company CEO, and an illegal immigrant. ... And baking brownies and rice crispies does not make up for it, way to try and justify yourself as a good teacher while underhandidly looking for complements on your cooking.

"No quarrel on you qualifications as a writer, but as a teacher, don't be surprised on inspiring the first cg shooting."

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I put no merit in someone posting about the entertainment business.

As I've stated several times in this thread....you can't take school threats lightly anymore. One thing that should have been learned from Columbine is that warning signs exist. Does a school or law enforcement know which are innocent and which are not by first glance? No. Err on the side of caution is better than wait and see. Waiting can lead to more deaths. If he has mental problems they will now be addressed. In addition, now he's not unknown and things he does can be taken seriously.

LJS9502_basic

The paper wasn't a school threat.

Experts being his lawyers no doubt. Like I said....err on the side of caution. You are aware most school shooters don't care who they kill? Aren't you?

No, the experts was not his lawyer.  His lawyer was quoted earlier in the article. 

[QUOTE="taker42"][QUOTE="Account_27"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

James Wan and Leigh Whannell wrote the screenplay for the movie Saw. Since you believe that people who write violent and descriptive creative writing papers are a threat to society, should both of these people be arrested and given a psychiatric evaluation?

 

Decessus

Now you're really stretching.....I smell a hint of desperation in the air. And I know they wrote Saw...big deal. One is not equal to the other. You've officially run out of ideas to discuss that have merit. Thank you for your attempts...it was entertaining.;)

He does have a little point. Look, I understand why the school was worried, and why he did warrant being investigated. But thrown in jail? Couldn't they have talked with him? Talked with his parents? And, like the guy you quoted said, if a guy wrote a screenplay about hijacking a plane, after the 9/11 incident, do you think he should be thrown in jail? Yes or no?

His paper was written in a creative writing cla-ss.. also fiction.

Blood, sex and booze. Drugs, drugs, drugs are fun. Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, s...t...a...b...puke. So I had this dream last night where I went into a building, pulled out two P90s and started shooting everyone, then had sex with the dead bodies. Well, not really, but it would be funny if I did."Alan Lee

Who can not read that and think it's not written by a psycho? And that is what the authorities thought too. But I don't think the guy is a psychopath-in-training, probably just a smart ass which bite off more than he can chew. Creative writing, sure, just don't write anything too 'creative'.

No, the experts was not his lawyer.  His lawyer was quoted earlier in the article. 

Decessus

Ah....dude lawyers hire experts.:|

I'm also aware that this person has a 4.2 GPA, was enlisting in the Marines, and that writing a disturbing paper does not automatically make someone a school shooter.  

Here is an excerpt from the actual paper that he wrote:

"Blood, sex and booze. Drugs, drugs, drugs are fun. Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, s...t...a...b...puke. So I had this dream last night where I went into a building, pulled out two P90s and started shooting everyone, then had sex with the dead bodies. Well, not really, but it would be funny if I did."

"A person is smart, but people are dumb selfish animals. We can't make rules for ourselves so we vote others to do it for us, but we can't even do that right, I mean seriously, Bush for President?

"My current English teacher is a control freak intent on setting a gap between herself and her students like a 63 year old white male fortune 500 company CEO, and an illegal immigrant. ... And baking brownies and rice crispies does not make up for it, way to try and justify yourself as a good teacher while underhandidly looking for complements on your cooking.

"No quarrel on you qualifications as a writer, but as a teacher, don't be surprised on inspiring the first cg shooting."

 

 

Decessus

Yep....red flag.  He's not right.  And GPA and marines not withstanding....he has issues.

Edit:  It's potential...I never said automatic. 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I put no merit in someone posting about the entertainment business.

As I've stated several times in this thread....you can't take school threats lightly anymore. One thing that should have been learned from Columbine is that warning signs exist. Does a school or law enforcement know which are innocent and which are not by first glance? No. Err on the side of caution is better than wait and see. Waiting can lead to more deaths. If he has mental problems they will now be addressed. In addition, now he's not unknown and things he does can be taken seriously.

Decessus

The paper wasn't a school threat.

Experts being his lawyers no doubt. Like I said....err on the side of caution. You are aware most school shooters don't care who they kill? Aren't you?

I'm also aware that this person has a 4.2 GPA, was enlisting in the Marines, and that writing a disturbing paper does not automatically make someone a school shooter.

Here is an excerpt from the actual paper that he wrote:

"Blood, sex and booze. Drugs, drugs, drugs are fun. Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, s...t...a...b...puke. So I had this dream last night where I went into a building, pulled out two P90s and started shooting everyone, then had sex with the dead bodies. Well, not really, but it would be funny if I did."

"A person is smart, but people are dumb selfish animals. We can't make rules for ourselves so we vote others to do it for us, but we can't even do that right, I mean seriously, Bush for President?

"My current English teacher is a control freak intent on setting a gap between herself and her students like a 63 year old white male fortune 500 company CEO, and an illegal immigrant. ... And baking brownies and rice crispies does not make up for it, way to try and justify yourself as a good teacher while underhandidly looking for complements on your cooking.

"No quarrel on you qualifications as a writer, but as a teacher, don't be surprised on inspiring the first cg shooting."

[QUOTE="Decessus"]

I'm also aware that this person has a 4.2 GPA, was enlisting in the Marines, and that writing a disturbing paper does not automatically make someone a school shooter.

Here is an excerpt from the actual paper that he wrote:

"Blood, sex and booze. Drugs, drugs, drugs are fun. Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, s...t...a...b...puke. So I had this dream last night where I went into a building, pulled out two P90s and started shooting everyone, then had sex with the dead bodies. Well, not really, but it would be funny if I did."

"A person is smart, but people are dumb selfish animals. We can't make rules for ourselves so we vote others to do it for us, but we can't even do that right, I mean seriously, Bush for President?

"My current English teacher is a control freak intent on setting a gap between herself and her students like a 63 year old white male fortune 500 company CEO, and an illegal immigrant. ... And baking brownies and rice crispies does not make up for it, way to try and justify yourself as a good teacher while underhandidly looking for complements on your cooking.

"No quarrel on you qualifications as a writer, but as a teacher, don't be surprised on inspiring the first cg shooting."

 

 

LJS9502_basic

Yep....red flag. He's not right. And GPA and marines not withstanding....he has issues.

Edit: It's potential...I never said automatic.

I don't disagree with you that it was incredibly bad judgement.  However, what I disagree with is that he should have been arrested and charged with disorderly conduct.  At most, the school administration should have sat down with him and talked to him about his writing.  From the little I have read, the kid is bright, has never gotten into trouble before, and there was simply no reason for the school to overreact the way that it has.

If I were to make a wild guess as to why this became an issue, I would say it has more to do with the paper being about the English teacher than about the violence.  She probably read it, got offended that it was about her, and decided to turn it over because of some power issue.  This however is mere speculation and isn't really based on any kind of factual evidence.

This stuff makes males look so **** stupid.

Keep his sorry *** in jail

What it all comes down to is not what is worng with this person, but what is wrong with our country?? Why is everyone so afraid of each other?? We aren't afraid of each other you say?? Why do people lock their doors and have guns?? firebreathing

I think a lot of it is because these sorts of things are shown on the media every single day.  It makes it appear that things are a lot worse than they really are.

According to the BJS, violent crimes (rape, robbery, aggregated assault, and homicide) have declined since 1993.

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I'm also aware that this person has a 4.2 GPA, was enlisting in the Marines, and that writing a disturbing paper does not automatically make someone a school shooter.  

Here is an excerpt from the actual paper that he wrote:

"Blood, sex and booze. Drugs, drugs, drugs are fun. Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, s...t...a...b...puke. So I had this dream last night where I went into a building, pulled out two P90s and started shooting everyone, then had sex with the dead bodies. Well, not really, but it would be funny if I did."

"A person is smart, but people are dumb selfish animals. We can't make rules for ourselves so we vote others to do it for us, but we can't even do that right, I mean seriously, Bush for President?

"My current English teacher is a control freak intent on setting a gap between herself and her students like a 63 year old white male fortune 500 company CEO, and an illegal immigrant. ... And baking brownies and rice crispies does not make up for it, way to try and justify yourself as a good teacher while underhandidly looking for complements on your cooking.

"No quarrel on you qualifications as a writer, but as a teacher, don't be surprised on inspiring the first cg shooting."

 

 

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Yep....red flag.  He's not right.  And GPA and marines not withstanding....he has issues.

Edit:  It's potential...I never said automatic. 

yeah thats messed up

Well, i'm definitely not surprised. Kinda a coincidence that the student was Korean also. But, that was a poorly written article. They dont even tell you who the teacher was that assigned the essay or why he/she assigned it. Also, who was "Puna?" Poorly written article.helium_flash

I've read a couple of articles and I don't think any of them mention the teachers name.  Perhaps it's some sort of confidentiality rule, I don't know.