Student fights suspension over wearing Rosary.

Ok so this kid gets suspended for wearing a rosary at school then fights it because it's a right to religious expression. Also the story says his brother died clutching the beads in a bicycle accident. Which is really tragic and all, but does that give him the right to violate policy?

I think he should respect the policy, regardless of how meaningful his ecuse to break the rules is.

What say you?

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=20132999

Lol, It IS A form of Religious Expression. Let him wear it, wow. OH my God, did anyone watch the video, they thought it was gang paraphernalia.

What a BS school policy. A kid wants to express his faith, and as long as it impacts no one else, let him do so.

Religious freedom..he can do whatever he wants...and what's even worse is that his brother died wearing the beads...are you ******* kidding me...if Muslims can wear their little masks and outfits and such around college campuses and schools then this kid should be able to wear his rosary beads...

Xx_Hopeless_xX

What a BS school policy. A kid wants to express his faith, and as long as it impacts no one else, let him do so. [QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Religious freedom..he can do whatever he wants...and what's even worse is that his brother died wearing the beads...are you ******* kidding me...if Muslims can wear their little masks and outfits and such around college campuses and schools then this kid should be able to wear his rosary beads...

majoras_wrath

Sorry i don't know the name of the masks they wear to cover their faces...

Ok so this kid gets suspended for wearing a rosary at school then fights it because it's a right to religious expression. Also the story says his brother died clutching the beads in a bicycle accident. Which is really tragic and all, but does that give him the right to violate policy?

I think he should respect the policy, regardless of how meaningful his ecuse to break the rules is.

What say you?

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=20132999

warbmxjohn

Lol, It IS A form of Religious Expression. Let him wear it, wow. OH my God, did anyone watch the video, they thought it was gang paraphernalia.

Snipes_2

Are you supposed to wear rosaries?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Lol, It IS A form of Religious Expression. Let him wear it, wow. OH my God, did anyone watch the video, they thought it was gang paraphernalia.

warbmxjohn

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Lol, It IS A form of Religious Expression. Let him wear it, wow. OH my God, did anyone watch the video, they thought it was gang paraphernalia.

warbmxjohn

Mexican/hispanic gangs i thought?....and that kid doesn't look like he's hispanic to me..nor does he have any gang related tattoos or anything...

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Lol, It IS A form of Religious Expression. Let him wear it, wow. OH my God, did anyone watch the video, they thought it was gang paraphernalia.

warbmxjohn

Oh. I didn't hear that in the video. In that case, I guess it kind of is justified.

If we can ban kids from wearing different combination's of colors because of gangs, then I guess we can do the same with rosaries.

If it was a religious issue, it'd be different.

Ok so this kid gets suspended for wearing a rosary at school then fights it because it's a right to religious expression. Also the story says his brother died clutching the beads in a bicycle accident. Which is really tragic and all, but does that give him the right to violate policy?

I think he should respect the policy, regardless of how meaningful his ecuse to break the rules is.

What say you?

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=20132999

warbmxjohn

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Lol, It IS A form of Religious Expression. Let him wear it, wow. OH my God, did anyone watch the video, they thought it was gang paraphernalia.

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Mexican/hispanic gangs i thought?....and that kid doesn't look like he's hispanic to me..

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]

Ok so this kid gets suspended for wearing a rosary at school then fights it because it's a right to religious expression. Also the story says his brother died clutching the beads in a bicycle accident. Which is really tragic and all, but does that give him the right to violate policy?

I think he should respect the policy, regardless of how meaningful his ecuse to break the rules is.

What say you?

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=20132999

surrealnumber5

Firing squad :o..

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Lol, It IS A form of Religious Expression. Let him wear it, wow. OH my God, did anyone watch the video, they thought it was gang paraphernalia.

majoras_wrath

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]Because they are used as gang paraphernalia in that area... warbmxjohn

Mexican/hispanic gangs i thought?....and that kid doesn't look like he's hispanic to me..

If it's exclusive to HISPANIC/MEXICAN gangs then i think it should be clear he's not one of them..and again..he has no tattoos or anything suggesting he is a member of any gang..

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]Because they are used as gang paraphernalia in that area... surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]Because they are used as gang paraphernalia in that area... surrealnumber5

I support this mans suggestion :P..

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]

Ok so this kid gets suspended for wearing a rosary at school then fights it because it's a right to religious expression. Also the story says his brother died clutching the beads in a bicycle accident. Which is really tragic and all, but does that give him the right to violate policy?

I think he should respect the policy, regardless of how meaningful his ecuse to break the rules is.

What say you?

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=20132999

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Firing squad :o..

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] if jewish kids can wear those little hats and those of the islamic faith can wear their historical garb i think the administration who did this should be either jailed or shot. surrealnumber5

Firing squad :o..

But that's ok with everyone...

if jewish kids can wear those little hats and those of the islamic faith can wear their historical garb i think the administration who did this should be either jailed or shot. surrealnumber5

I think the key thing here is that Christianity does not expect its followers to wear particular garments. To carry a rosary may be equivalent to wearing a skullcap or hijab (turban etc. etc.), but the key difference is that the rosary (or crucifix etc.) is not expected to be on display or worn as a sign of devotion.

So it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask this person to remove the rosary since Catholocism does not expect or decree that its followers wear it, even if no offence (or sign of secondary affiliation) is meant by doing so.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] if jewish kids can wear those little hats and those of the islamic faith can wear their historical garb i think the administration who did this should be either jailed or shot. surrealnumber5

Firing squad :o..

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Firing squad :o..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

But that's ok with everyone...

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Firing squad :o..

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] yes, IMO warping and jading a youth by preferential treatment by a public school is horrible, up there with rape, but that just me as i was told in the 3rd grade that i could not be in the Talented and Gifted program because there were too many white people in TaG surrealnumber5

But that's ok with everyone...

Not ok with me...but yeah...

Excuse my exaggeration by using the word "everyone"...

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] yes, IMO warping and jading a youth by preferential treatment by a public school is horrible, up there with rape, but that just me as i was told in the 3rd grade that i could not be in the Talented and Gifted program because there were too many white people in TaG surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] if jewish kids can wear those little hats and those of the islamic faith can wear their historical garb i think the administration who did this should be either jailed or shot. LordRork

I think the key thing here is that Christianity does not expect its followers to wear particular garments. To carry a rosary may be equivalent to wearing a skullcap or hijab (turban etc. etc.), but the key difference is that the rosary (or crucifix etc.) is not expected to be on display or worn as a sign of devotion.

So it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask this person to remove the rosary since Catholocism does not expect or decree that its followers wear it, even if no offence (or sign of secondary affiliation) is meant by doing so.

I tend to think he should be allowed to wear this, since apparently he's not intending it as a gang association. On the other hand, it annoys me when people think they should be able to get away with things, just because it's in their religion. I can change my religion at will, and even make one up. So what's the difference between me wanting to, say, wear a hat because my faith demands it (in a school that bans hats), and wearing a hat just because I want to?

He should NOT have been wearing a rosary he should have been carrying the rosary in his pocket like any good Catholic would.

iowastate

I was thinking the same thing.

I tend to think he should be allowed to wear this, since apparently he's not intending it as a gang association. On the other hand, it annoys me when people think they should be able to get away with things, just because it's in their religion. I can change my religion at will, and even make one up. So what's the difference between me wanting to, say, wear a hat because my faith demands it (in a school that bans hats), and wearing a hat just because I want to?

[QUOTE="iowastate"]

He should NOT have been wearing a rosary he should have been carrying the rosary in his pocket like any good Catholic would.

Palantas

I was thinking the same thing.

[QUOTE="iowastate"]I am Catholic and I would never wear a Rosary - that shows a lack of respect:?Sigh_han

Really? I didn't know that. I see a lot of people wearing them, but more so for fashion than the religious side.

I can change my religion at will, and even make one up.Palantas

So true... I remember back in my day. A couple of guys tried to avoid the draft with that method.

one of them got a mail order preacher certificate and the two of the formed the:

First United Church of Kentucky

the funniest part is they were surprised it did not work:lol:

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] there have been some islamic terrorists we should ban all islamic garb as its terror colors surrealnumber5

You guys should watch the video, they suspended him because rosary beads are apparently gang symbols in some areas. Don't think it's for religious reasons - many people wear crucifixes around their necks.

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]

Ok so this kid gets suspended for wearing a rosary at school then fights it because it's a right to religious expression. Also the story says his brother died clutching the beads in a bicycle accident. Which is really tragic and all, but does that give him the right to violate policy?

I think he should respect the policy, regardless of how meaningful his ecuse to break the rules is.

What say you?

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=20132999

iowastate

Doesnt matter how he was wearing it. Its his life not yours. Not everybody has to follow the silly rules churches try to impose on you.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i dont know, i dont make it my purpose in life to hunt down terrorists, but if we are going to generalizes lets not stop with little catholic boys and their wearing of momentous from loved ones.surrealnumber5

My point is that if religious symbols are being twisted in a devious way, as is the original stated case, then they no longer have protection. Unfortunately for the boy, he lives in an area where rosaries have become symbols of gang activity. Therefore in order to maintain the safety of the school, the administrators must ban all rosaries.

To question your point about "all or nothing", what about swastikas? They are a sacred symbol in various Eastern religions, yet it has now been associated with Nazism and white supremacist beliefs. Should neo-nazi students be allowed to wear them in public schools?

they should be able to wear it. i dont see how wearing a rosary relates to gangs.

My schools use to ban certain gang colors from being worn. If its a gang riddled area then I don't see nothing wrong with something considered gang paraphernalia being banned.

He shouldn't have been suspended. Thats a stupid thing that school did.

Religious freedom..he can do whatever he wants...and what's even worse is that his brother died wearing the beads...are you ******* kidding me...if Muslims can wear their little masks and outfits and such around college campuses and schools then this kid should be able to wear his rosary beads...

Xx_Hopeless_xX

:lol: but seriously, I wear Rosary beads, should I kicked out of my campus?

If the school says no it says no. Schools seem to be able to strip students of inherent rights at will.

Because they are used as gang paraphernalia in that area... And a public school is not a place for religious expression as it is. That's a private matter. I mean unless satan worshippers can also utilize their relgious rights as well...

warbmxjohn

As a public entity, a school is most certainly a place for religious expression. It is an inherent American and human right for a person to practice his or her religion 24/7. Since school attendance is compulsary, then to restrict religious practice at school is in effect depriving the student of the right to practice his religion without providing other options to the student. If government is going to make a person go to school, then government has no choice but to allow the person to bring his religious practices with him.

Satan worshippers also have the same rights.

they should be able to wear it. i dont see how wearing a rosary relates to gangs.

T_REX305

I'm sure the school does if it is an item related to gangs and could cause trouble. I'd rather violate the kids ability to wear rosarsy at school than have to deal with a shoot out at the school because some gang member thought the kid was gang affiliated.