Student fights suspension over wearing Rosary.

TC, did you watch the video? The complaining party wasn't giving an excuse to break the policy, it was saying the policy didn't apply because a rosary can't be called a gang symbol in and of itself.

I believe that if it can be established that the child isn't wearing it to show gang affiliation, he should be allowed to wear it.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Christianity is not a cult :|

Cult - followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader

Snipes_2

Cult and sect are terms created specifically for a pejorative purpose, to denote certain religions, most notably Christianity, as superior and label other belief systems as inferior. The phrases were coined specifically to grant Christianity legitimacy and steal legitimacy from other belief systems without any reason or proof. Unorthodox in comparison to what? Is all Protestantism a cult a then? who gets to decide what is orthodox? By conventional society do you mean European-derived white society, or is there some relativity clause? Islam is a cult in Amerca but Christianity is a cult in Iran or something along those lines? Christianity has been very extremist in the past and there are still portions of Christianity that remain extremist, guess that makes Christianity a cult, huh? And false, are you kidding me? There is no religion out there that is substantiated by real evidence, it's all based on holy writings.

Religion is religion is religion. It is not based on proof, it is based on faith and no relgion is better than any other. I don't care what you want to call it, but if you call one religion a cult then you call the rest of them a cult. They're all basically the same.

:P

On topic, that's silly. Let the kid wear them/keep them in his pocket.

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Mexican/hispanic gangs i thought?....and that kid doesn't look like he's hispanic to me..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

If it's exclusive to HISPANIC/MEXICAN gangs then i think it should be clear he's not one of them..and again..he has no tattoos or anything suggesting he is a member of any gang..

You dont know if it is.

He has a gangsta face

Meh, just let the kid wear it.

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="xhellcatx"] I will state it again. Wearing it around the neck is viewed as wearing it as jewelry. That is why they make Rosary Pouches. So you can keep your rosary in the pouch either at your side, in your pocket, or in your purse. When you wear something that is visible for all to see, you are portraying it as jewelry. A fashion accessory. Relics also are not to be worn as Jewelry, yet it is ok to wear them around your neck - just tucked under your shirt. Most people who wear roasaries around their neck are wearing them as a fashion accessory... and i doubt that anyone who does wear it around their neck can recite the prayer of the Holy Rosary. theone86

How is this argument even relevant?Assuming it is sacreligous it's not the place of the school to enforece the belief system of the Catholic Church.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="harashawn"] Wearing it with the intention of showing it off is considered sacrilege, but it can be worn around a neck without being easily seen.
Just because "most people" do something for some reason doesn't make it wrong to do it for another reason.

iowastate

How is this argument even relevant?Assuming it is sacreligous it's not the place of the school to enforece the belief system of the Catholic Church.

...where does he say anything even close to that? :?

So theres a local gang with purple colors? :lol: . Just wear the cross under your shirt, problem solved, people dont need to see it for it to have meaning to the barer.

[QUOTE="iowastate"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

How is this argument even relevant?Assuming it is sacreligous it's not the place of the school to enforece the belief system of the Catholic Church.

chessmaster1989

...where does he say anything even close to that? :?

Pfft should just cop the suspension and not care.

As much as he has a right to religious expression, the school told him to at least hide it underneath his shirt, which he could have easily done instead of being so stubborn. But he didn't, gets a suspension, then does the exact same thing the next week? The school was probably a bit harsh but I still think they were in the right and the kid was just being silly by going against school policy. He can hide it under his shirt, put it in his pocket, leave it in his locker, whatever, but at least respect the schools uniform policy.Faber_Fighter

if the school was willing to allow him to wear it under his shirt or in his pocket(the correct spot) then they did all they were required.

it is his own fault for defying them if he was warned...although I would think detention would have been enough of a punishment.

edit....of course I don't know his record..if it was lengthy he may have used up his "get out of jail cards" already

Even though I was on the deans list I reached that point during my school career and the Vice Principal/Head Master does lose patience eventually:wink:

Now people can't even wear rosaries.Wow talk about freedom of clothing.Here in India we have dozens of different religions and people are allowed to wear rosaries,turbans and even hijabs.People in the west are just paranoid.conistant

Hehe yeah and that time when there was outrage in India for Richard Gere kissing a Indian actress on tv that they wanted to thrown him in jail?

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]

Ok so this kid gets suspended for wearing a rosary at school then fights it because it's a right to religious expression. Also the story says his brother died clutching the beads in a bicycle accident. Which is really tragic and all, but does that give him the right to violate policy?

I think he should respect the policy, regardless of how meaningful his ecuse to break the rules is.

What say you?

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=20132999

iowastate

oh hush it.

Let him wear the beads, its his brothers momento.

[QUOTE="iowastate"][QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]

Ok so this kid gets suspended for wearing a rosary at school then fights it because it's a right to religious expression. Also the story says his brother died clutching the beads in a bicycle accident. Which is really tragic and all, but does that give him the right to violate policy?

I think he should respect the policy, regardless of how meaningful his ecuse to break the rules is.

What say you?

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=20132999

Xorital

oh hush it.

Let him wear the beads, its his brothers momento.

Same old song and dance... He is not violating any rights to free expression by wearing a rosary. Issues like these and other similar incidents only reveal more of the schools' double standards over religion.

Well religion doesn't seem to be the problem here; a gang in that area uses rosary with beads as their symbol or whatever they use it for.

[QUOTE="conistant"]Now people can't even wear rosaries.Wow talk about freedom of clothing.Here in India we have dozens of different religions and people are allowed to wear rosaries,turbans and even hijabs.People in the west are just paranoid.sSubZerOo

Hehe yeah and that time when there was outrage in India for Richard Gere kissing a Indian actress on tv that they wanted to thrown him in jail?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Lol, It IS A form of Religious Expression. Let him wear it, wow. OH my God, did anyone watch the video, they thought it was gang paraphernalia.

warbmxjohn

I can understand...in my high school when it became popular it started to be used for gangs.MgamerBD

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I can understand...in my high school when it became popular it started to be used for gangs.UbiquitousAeon

[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"]I can understand...in my high school when it became popular it started to be used for gangs.RogueShodown