Student fights suspension over wearing Rosary.

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]

Because they are used as gang paraphernalia in that area... And a public school is not a place for religious expression as it is. That's a private matter. I mean unless satan worshippers can also utilize their relgious rights as well...

dkrustyklown

As a public entity, a school is most certainly a place for religious expression. It is an inherent American and human right for a person to practice his or her religion 24/7. Since school attendance is compulsary, then to restrict religious practice at school is in effect depriving the student of the right to practice his religion without providing other options to the student. If government is going to make a person go to school, then government has no choice but to allow the person to bring his religious practices with him.

Satan worshippers also have the same rights.

Hasn't the supreme court already ruled minors don't get the same rights as adults?

I don't know the specific case but I remember hearing about a kid going to the supreme court for his right to not say the pledge of allegiance and the supreme court saying he does not have that right.

Schools are also allowed to steal from you (they call it confiscating) and you can't get the item back untill they feel like it. I'd assume the loop hole is that you have to sign a paper to register for school and in that paper you sign away various rights while at the school.

Also voting is an inherent right but minors cannot vote.

[QUOTE="iowastate"]I am Catholic and I would never wear a Rosary - that shows a lack of respect:?Sigh_han

Really? I didn't know that. I see a lot of people wearing them, but more so for fashion than the religious side.

Are you supposed to wear rosaries?

Silverbond

To question your point about "all or nothing", what about swastikas? They are a sacred symbol in various Eastern religions, yet it has now been associated with Nazism and white supremacist beliefs. Should neo-nazi students be allowed to wear them in public schools?

majoras_wrath

I'm not involved in any cults like Christianity or Islam etc, but can't they just let the boy wear it?

_R34LiTY_

Christianity is not a cult :|

Cult - followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Are you supposed to wear rosaries?

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Are you supposed to wear rosaries?

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]

To question your point about "all or nothing", what about swastikas? They are a sacred symbol in various Eastern religions, yet it has now been associated with Nazism and white supremacist beliefs. Should neo-nazi students be allowed to wear them in public schools?

harashawn

[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No...they aren't supposed to be worn.

LJS9502_basic

LJ is correct. Catholics use the rosary as a counting tool, to help them keep their place whilest praying the Holy Rosary. To wear it is viewed as a kind of sacrilege. Many people have only recently begun wearing them as a trend. .... just cause its a trend, and some rosaries are actually quite beautiful.

Read his response, as no, I was not. He said that all religious symbols must be respected and allowed to be worn no matter what. That was a counterpoint.majoras_wrath

Centuries? I highly doubt that. Anyway, it's not supposed to be worn per the Catholic religion.LJS9502_basic

Looking at him with great kindness Our Lady said: "As a reward for this little honor that you paid me in wearing my Rosary, I have obtained a great grace for you from my Son. Your life will be spared for a few more years. See that you spend these years wisely, and do penance." The Secret of the Rosary

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Read his response, as no, I was not. He said that all religious symbols must be respected and allowed to be worn no matter what. That was a counterpoint.harashawn

Centuries? I highly doubt that. Anyway, it's not supposed to be worn per the Catholic religion.LJS9502_basic

Looking at him with great kindness Our Lady said: "As a reward for this little honor that you paid me in wearing my Rosary, I have obtained a great grace for you from my Son. Your life will be spared for a few more years. See that you spend these years wisely, and do penance." The Secret of the Rosary

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] So you think we shouldn't be banning wearing red in certain inner city schools, despite the fact that it is the symbol for a prominent gang in those areas? If, somehow, there were a gang of Muslim girls in my area who wore hijabs as a sign of gang affiliation, then yes, I would support banning it in schools. It's all based upon location.majoras_wrath

My point is that if religious symbols are being twisted in a devious way, as is the original stated case, then they no longer have protection. Unfortunately for the boy, he lives in an area where rosaries have become symbols of gang activity. Therefore in order to maintain the safety of the school, the administrators must ban all rosaries.

To question your point about "all or nothing", what about swastikas? They are a sacred symbol in various Eastern religions, yet it has now been associated with Nazism and white supremacist beliefs. Should neo-nazi students be allowed to wear them in public schools?

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Read his response, as no, I was not. He said that all religious symbols must be respected and allowed to be worn no matter what. That was a counterpoint.harashawn

Correct, but Hinduism, Jainism, and Buddhism are and they hold the swastika as sacred ;)

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] Read his response, as no, I was not. He said that all religious symbols must be respected and allowed to be worn no matter what. That was a counterpoint.harashawn

Centuries? I highly doubt that. Anyway, it's not supposed to be worn per the Catholic religion.LJS9502_basic

Looking at him with great kindness Our Lady said: "As a reward for this little honor that you paid me in wearing my Rosary, I have obtained a great grace for you from my Son. Your life will be spared for a few more years. See that you spend these years wisely, and do penance." The Secret of the Rosary

I don't see what's wrong with it.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] if we allow one religious article we must allow them all, as far as i know red and blue(bloods and crypts) are not religious articles. if rosary's are forbidden so should all other religious garb, that is all i have ever said and all i will say on the matter. if gangs want to use loopholes such as religion then they have the same right to do so as terrorists who do so. either its all ok or none of it is oksurrealnumber5

My point is that if religious symbols are being twisted in a devious way, as is the original stated case, then they no longer have protection. Unfortunately for the boy, he lives in an area where rosaries have become symbols of gang activity. Therefore in order to maintain the safety of the school, the administrators must ban all rosaries.

To question your point about "all or nothing", what about swastikas? They are a sacred symbol in various Eastern religions, yet it has now been associated with Nazism and white supremacist beliefs. Should neo-nazi students be allowed to wear them in public schools?

Wearing the rosary, yes, but not around the neck as a piece of jewelry. Many wear it at the side, in a pouch. Worn around the neck as a piece of jewelry is sacrilegious. xhellcatx

Correct, but Hinduism, Jainism, and Buddhism are and they hold the swastika as sacred ;)

majoras_wrath

So you quoted a book as proof? That does not mean wear the rosary as one would other jewelry. The rosary is a part of Catholicism....and is not meant to be worn.:|

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]So you quoted a book as proof? That does not mean wear the rosary as one would other jewelry. The rosary is a part of Catholicism....and is not meant to be worn.:|

harashawn

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

Are you supposed to wear rosaries?

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

I'm not involved in any cults like Christianity or Islam etc, but can't they just let the boy wear it?

Snipes_2

Christianity is not a cult :|

Cult - followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader

Religion/Cult/Sect....all the same

either way, the boy should be allowed to wear rosary

Public or private school?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

I'm not involved in any cults like Christianity or Islam etc, but can't they just let the boy wear it?

_R34LiTY_

Christianity is not a cult :|

Cult - followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader

Religion/Cult/Sect....all the same

either way, the boy should be allowed to wear rosary

And the Catholic Church does NOT want anyone wearing the rosary as jewelry.:|

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="xhellcatx"] Wearing the rosary, yes, but not around the neck as a piece of jewelry. Many wear it at the side, in a pouch. Worn around the neck as a piece of jewelry is sacrilegious. harashawn

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Christianity is not a cult :|

Cult - followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader

Snipes_2

Religion/Cult/Sect....all the same

either way, the boy should be allowed to wear rosary

To you they're not, to me they are.

I will state it again. Wearing it around the neck is viewed as wearing it as jewelry. That is why they make Rosary Pouches. So you can keep your rosary in the pouch either at your side, in your pocket, or in your purse. When you wear something that is visible for all to see, you are portraying it as jewelry. A fashion accessory. Relics also are not to be worn as Jewelry, yet it is ok to wear them around your neck - just tucked under your shirt. Most people who wear roasaries around their neck are wearing them as a fashion accessory... and i doubt that anyone who does wear it around their neck can recite the prayer of the Holy Rosary. xhellcatx

[QUOTE="xhellcatx"] Wearing the rosary, yes, but not around the neck as a piece of jewelry. Many wear it at the side, in a pouch. Worn around the neck as a piece of jewelry is sacrilegious. harashawn

wearing it as jewelry....I would not use the word sacrilegious but rather disrespectful.

If you want the the symbol near you you wear a crucifix around your neck.

properly used the rosary will not be worn as a necklace

this is from an apologist at Catholic.com

Q: Can a rosary be worn as a piece of jewelry?

A: "Sacred objects, set aside for divine worship by dedication or blessing, are to be treated with reverence. They are not to be made over to secular or inappropriate use, even though they may belong to private persons" (CIC 1171). Essentially, sacramentals such as rosaries must be treated with respect, particularly if they have been blessed. Reverence is the attitude of awe or respect that is most often given to sacred things. By its very definition, it is an interior disposition that usually cannot be determined by onlookers by appearances alone. A person may be wearing a rosary as a statement of faith, to keep it handy for praying throughout the day, or to avoid losing it. Those reasons would be indicative of reverence and would not interfere with the canon's directive that sacramentals must be treated reverently.

She is essentially saying that the rosary is an object of respect and not to be displayed and we use Christian charity by giving people the benefit of the doubt and assuming the want to keep it close at hand to make a statement of faith even though that is not how the rosary should be worn. It is my opinion that in this case the young man was not aware of proper rosary etiquette.

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

I'm not involved in any cults like Christianity or Islam etc, but can't they just let the boy wear it?

Snipes_2

Christianity is not a cult :|

Cult - followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader

Cult and sect are terms created specifically for a pejorative purpose, to denote certain religions, most notably Christianity, as superior and label other belief systems as inferior. The phrases were coined specifically to grant Christianity legitimacy and steal legitimacy from other belief systems without any reason or proof. Unorthodox in comparison to what? Is all Protestantism a cult a then? who gets to decide what is orthodox? By conventional society do you mean European-derived white society, or is there some relativity clause? Islam is a cult in Amerca but Christianity is a cult in Iran or something along those lines? Christianity has been very extremist in the past and there are still portions of Christianity that remain extremist, guess that makes Christianity a cult, huh? And false, are you kidding me? There is no religion out there that is substantiated by real evidence, it's all based on holy writings.

Religion is religion is religion. It is not based on proof, it is based on faith and no relgion is better than any other. I don't care what you want to call it, but if you call one religion a cult then you call the rest of them a cult. They're all basically the same.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

I'm not involved in any cults like Christianity or Islam etc, but can't they just let the boy wear it?

theone86

Christianity is not a cult :|

Cult - followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader

Cult and sect are terms created specifically for a pejorative purpose, to denote certain religions, most notably Christianity, as superior and label other belief systems as inferior. The phrases were coined specifically to grant Christianity legitimacy and steal legitimacy from other belief systems without any reason or proof. Unorthodox in comparison to what? Is all Protestantism a cult a then? who gets to decide what is orthodox? By conventional society do you mean European-derived white society, or is there some relativity clause? Islam is a cult in Amerca but Christianity is a cult in Iran or something along those lines? Christianity has been very extremist in the past and there are still portions of Christianity that remain extremist, guess that makes Christianity a cult, huh? And false, are you kidding me? There is no religion out there that is substantiated by real evidence, it's all based on holy writings.

Religion is religion is religion. It is not based on proof, it is based on faith and no relgion is better than any other. I don't care what you want to call it, but if you call one religion a cult then you call the rest of them a cult. They're all basically the same.

[QUOTE="xhellcatx"] I will state it again. Wearing it around the neck is viewed as wearing it as jewelry. That is why they make Rosary Pouches. So you can keep your rosary in the pouch either at your side, in your pocket, or in your purse. When you wear something that is visible for all to see, you are portraying it as jewelry. A fashion accessory. Relics also are not to be worn as Jewelry, yet it is ok to wear them around your neck - just tucked under your shirt. Most people who wear roasaries around their neck are wearing them as a fashion accessory... and i doubt that anyone who does wear it around their neck can recite the prayer of the Holy Rosary. harashawn

How is this argument even relevant?Assuming it is sacreligous it's not the place of the school to enforece the belief system of the Catholic Church.

I find the idea of religious censorship here to be beyond reprehensible. And, no the Rosary is not meant to be worn...

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Christianity is not a cult :|

Cult - followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader

LJS9502_basic

Cult and sect are terms created specifically for a pejorative purpose, to denote certain religions, most notably Christianity, as superior and label other belief systems as inferior. The phrases were coined specifically to grant Christianity legitimacy and steal legitimacy from other belief systems without any reason or proof. Unorthodox in comparison to what? Is all Protestantism a cult a then? who gets to decide what is orthodox? By conventional society do you mean European-derived white society, or is there some relativity clause? Islam is a cult in Amerca but Christianity is a cult in Iran or something along those lines? Christianity has been very extremist in the past and there are still portions of Christianity that remain extremist, guess that makes Christianity a cult, huh? And false, are you kidding me? There is no religion out there that is substantiated by real evidence, it's all based on holy writings.

Religion is religion is religion. It is not based on proof, it is based on faith and no relgion is better than any other. I don't care what you want to call it, but if you call one religion a cult then you call the rest of them a cult. They're all basically the same.

There's really not much of a difference, most beliefs that are labeled as cults are basically identical to most mainstream religions.

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="xhellcatx"] I will state it again. Wearing it around the neck is viewed as wearing it as jewelry. That is why they make Rosary Pouches. So you can keep your rosary in the pouch either at your side, in your pocket, or in your purse. When you wear something that is visible for all to see, you are portraying it as jewelry. A fashion accessory. Relics also are not to be worn as Jewelry, yet it is ok to wear them around your neck - just tucked under your shirt. Most people who wear roasaries around their neck are wearing them as a fashion accessory... and i doubt that anyone who does wear it around their neck can recite the prayer of the Holy Rosary. theone86

How is this argument even relevant?Assuming it is sacreligous it's not the place of the school to enforece the belief system of the Catholic Church.

I don't think that anyone here has claimed that the school should enforce it....

wearing it as jewelry....I would not use the word sacrilegious but rather disrespectful.

If you want the the symbol near you you wear a crucifix around your neck.

properly used the rosary will not be worn as a necklace

this is from an apologist at Catholic.com

Q: Can a rosary be worn as a piece of jewelry?

A: "Sacred objects, set aside for divine worship by dedication or blessing, are to be treated with reverence. They are not to be made over to secular or inappropriate use, even though they may belong to private persons" (CIC 1171). Essentially, sacramentals such as rosaries must be treated with respect, particularly if they have been blessed. Reverence is the attitude of awe or respect that is most often given to sacred things. By its very definition, it is an interior disposition that usually cannot be determined by onlookers by appearances alone. A person may be wearing a rosary as a statement of faith, to keep it handy for praying throughout the day, or to avoid losing it. Those reasons would be indicative of reverence and would not interfere with the canon's directive that sacramentals must be treated reverently.

She is essentially saying that the rosary is an object of respect and not to be displayed and we use Christian charity by giving people the benefit of the doubt and assuming the want to keep it close at hand to make a statement of faith even though that is not how the rosary should be worn. It is my opinion that in this case the young man was not aware of proper rosary etiquette.

iowastate

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="harashawn"] Wearing it with the intention of showing it off is considered sacrilege, but it can be worn around a neck without being easily seen.
Just because "most people" do something for some reason doesn't make it wrong to do it for another reason.

coolbeans90

How is this argument even relevant?Assuming it is sacreligous it's not the place of the school to enforece the belief system of the Catholic Church.

I don't think that anyone here has claimed that the school should enforce it....

I'm just not getting the relevance of this specific line of argumentation, seems to be totally unrelated to the topic at hand, espeially if they're not arguing that.

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

I will state it again. Wearing it around the neck is viewed as wearing it as jewelry. That is why they make Rosary Pouches. So you can keep your rosary in the pouch either at your side, in your pocket, or in your purse. When you wear something that is visible for all to see, you are portraying it as jewelry. A fashion accessory. Relics also are not to be worn as Jewelry, yet it is ok to wear them around your neck - just tucked under your shirt. Most people who wear roasaries around their neck are wearing them as a fashion accessory... and i doubt that anyone who does wear it around their neck can recite the prayer of the Holy Rosary. xhellcatx

How is this argument even relevant?Assuming it is sacreligous it's not the place of the school to enforece the belief system of the Catholic Church.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

How is this argument even relevant?Assuming it is sacreligous it's not the place of the school to enforece the belief system of the Catholic Church.

theone86

I don't think that anyone here has claimed that the school should enforce it....

I'm just not getting the relevance of this specific line of argumentation, seems to be totally unrelated to the topic at hand, espeially if they're not arguing that.

Well, agreed that it is irrelevant to the actual topic...

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Lol, It IS A form of Religious Expression. Let him wear it, wow. OH my God, did anyone watch the video, they thought it was gang paraphernalia.

warbmxjohn

Ok so this kid gets suspended for wearing a rosary at school then fights it because it's a right to religious expression. Also the story says his brother died clutching the beads in a bicycle accident. Which is really tragic and all, but does that give him the right to violate policy?

I think he should respect the policy, regardless of how meaningful his ecuse to break the rules is.

What say you?

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=20132999

warbmxjohn

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="_R34LiTY_"]

I'm not involved in any cults like Christianity or Islam etc, but can't they just let the boy wear it?

theone86

Christianity is not a cult :|

Cult - followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader

Cult and sect are terms created specifically for a pejorative purpose, to denote certain religions, most notably Christianity, as superior and label other belief systems as inferior. The phrases were coined specifically to grant Christianity legitimacy and steal legitimacy from other belief systems without any reason or proof. Unorthodox in comparison to what? Is all Protestantism a cult a then? who gets to decide what is orthodox? By conventional society do you mean European-derived white society, or is there some relativity clause? Islam is a cult in Amerca but Christianity is a cult in Iran or something along those lines? Christianity has been very extremist in the past and there are still portions of Christianity that remain extremist, guess that makes Christianity a cult, huh? And false, are you kidding me? There is no religion out there that is substantiated by real evidence, it's all based on holy writings.

Religion is religion is religion. It is not based on proof, it is based on faith and no relgion is better than any other. I don't care what you want to call it, but if you call one religion a cult then you call the rest of them a cult. They're all basically the same.

Religious freedom..he can do whatever he wants...and what's even worse is that his brother died wearing the beads...are you ******* kidding me...if Muslims can wear their little masks and outfits and such around college campuses and schools then this kid should be able to wear his rosary beads...

Xx_Hopeless_xX