Superman VS SSJ4 Gogeta

[QUOTE="ShadowofTulkas"]

I think the question should be: Who is more interesting?

Basically a character who is invincible, and can do practically anything. BORING. (yes......Superman)

A character who struggles and struggles, and then wins after more struggling. Much more interesting. (Goku, or whoever)

I mean its great that Superman is the strongest superhero, but he is boring because of that. He only has ONE WEAKNESS. I see no point in watching a movie or reading a comic about a hero that is all powerful.

C4_yourself

simply becaue he fights characters usually at his level of power like

black adam, doomsday lobo etc

and beings higher then him

darkseid, anti monitor, superman prime etc

plus some of the stories hes been in have been fantastic

also supes isnt even close to the strongest super hero

ion thor and silver surfer are more powerful then he is

Oh I'm not saying Supes aren't boring. I just don't like the idea of Superman being so 'super'.

However I did like it when he lost his powers in the movie (the first one..? I can't quite remember).

Superman would get his ass kicked.Zaeryn

nice try buddy but its people like you that diminish what little credibility dbz has

the fact remains the entire dbz cast gets killed in the blink of an eye by supes

not just supes but most members of the jla would solo the dbz cast

flash, any lantern could, captain marvel, heck martian manhunter would mind rape them, [if he wasnt dead]

not just supes but most members of the jla would solo the dbz cast

flash, any lantern could, captain marvel, heck martian manhunter would mind rape them, [if he wasnt dead]

C4_yourself

Psshh and i even agreed with you on my last post, can't believe it. seriously Supeman, Flash and maybe just maybe green lantern are the only DC heroes who could challenge SSJ4 Gogeta, most of them are complete chumps relatively.

[QUOTE="C4_yourself"]

not just supes but most members of the jla would solo the dbz cast

flash, any lantern could, captain marvel, heck martian manhunter would mind rape them, [if he wasnt dead]

Oscar-Wilde

Psshh and i even agreed with you on my last post, can't believe it. seriously Supeman, Flash and maybe just maybe green lantern are the only DC heroes who could challenge SSJ4 Gogeta, most of them are complete chumps relatively.

any lantern could solo the dbz cast, ww could solo the dbz cast,

any new god could solo the dbz cast,

dc and marvel both have hundreds of characters that could solo the dbzcast even ssj4 gogeta would be swatted aside like a fly

i could start listing the hundreds of marvel or dc characters that could solo the dbz cast however

i really dont feel lik staying here for hours doing so

lets compare goku and superman shall we

speed

while dbz characters are fast they are no where near light speed

ssj gotenks took 28 minutes to fly 40 thousand miles

however superman has been able to move from one side of the planet and back in a split second and has even traveled millions of miles through space in mere seconds

superman is faster then the dbz and dbgt cast

C4_yourself

You sir are smoking something real strong, first off Goku can teleport instantly automatically making him faster than superman. Instant kamehameha superman is gone, dead, point blank end of story. Don't even get started on Ssj4 Gogeta. Instant big bang kamehameha x100 is overkill.

[QUOTE="C4_yourself"]

lets compare goku and superman shall we

speed

while dbz characters are fast they are no where near light speed

ssj gotenks took 28 minutes to fly 40 thousand miles

however superman has been able to move from one side of the planet and back in a split second and has even traveled millions of miles through space in mere seconds

superman is faster then the dbz and dbgt cast

DanteSuikoden

You sir are smoking something real strong, first off Goku can teleport instantly automatically making him faster than superman. Instant kamehameha superman is gone, dead, point blank end of story. Don't even get started on Ssj4 Gogeta. Instant big bang kamehameha x100 is overkill.

goku uses a teleportation technique however before he could focus on a ki signal , superman would simply speed blitz him and break his neck

ssj4 goku couldnt even escape being frozen in ice and struggled to hold up a building

instant big bang kamehameha x 100 wouldnt even touch supes and if it could it wouldnt even tatter his clothing

you fail thanks for playing

[QUOTE="C4_yourself"]

lets compare goku and superman shall we

speed

while dbz characters are fast they are no where near light speed

ssj gotenks took 28 minutes to fly 40 thousand miles

however superman has been able to move from one side of the planet and back in a split second and has even traveled millions of miles through space in mere seconds

superman is faster then the dbz and dbgt cast

DanteSuikoden

You sir are smoking something real strong, first off Goku can teleport instantly automatically making him faster than superman. Instant kamehameha superman is gone, dead, point blank end of story. Don't even get started on Ssj4 Gogeta. Instant big bang kamehameha x100 is overkill.

i know more about the dragon ball franchise and comics then you do

the fact of the matter is superman kills goku in the blink of an eye even at ssj4

his speed durability and strenght are a joke even in ssj4 form

hes going to get speed blitzed into the after life

goku can scream and yell all the attacks he wants he is going to die a very fast painful death

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"][QUOTE="C4_yourself"]

not just supes but most members of the jla would solo the dbz cast

flash, any lantern could, captain marvel, heck martian manhunter would mind rape them, [if he wasnt dead]

C4_yourself

Psshh and i even agreed with you on my last post, can't believe it. seriously Supeman, Flash and maybe just maybe green lantern are the only DC heroes who could challenge SSJ4 Gogeta, most of them are complete chumps relatively.

any lantern could solo the dbz cast, ww could solo the dbz cast,

any new god could solo the dbz cast,

dc and marvel both have hundreds of characters that could solo the dbzcast even ssj4 gogeta would be swatted aside like a fly

Not really, most DC Super heroes if not all have some clearly distinctive highly exploitable weaknesses, while most saiyans have none not counting the fact that saiyans get more powerful everytime they get badly hurt + the Dragonballs means that their power potential it's limitless, it's pretty clear that they are practically immortals. Marvel heroes on the other hand do some pretty powerful stuff without having any weaknesses so that's debatable.

[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"][QUOTE="C4_yourself"]

lets compare goku and superman shall we

speed

while dbz characters are fast they are no where near light speed

ssj gotenks took 28 minutes to fly 40 thousand miles

however superman has been able to move from one side of the planet and back in a split second and has even traveled millions of miles through space in mere seconds

superman is faster then the dbz and dbgt cast

C4_yourself

You sir are smoking something real strong, first off Goku can teleport instantly automatically making him faster than superman. Instant kamehameha superman is gone, dead, point blank end of story. Don't even get started on Ssj4 Gogeta. Instant big bang kamehameha x100 is overkill.

goku uses a teleportation technique however before he could focus on a ki signal , superman would simply speed blitz him and break his neck

ssj4 goku couldnt even escape being frozen in ice and struggled to hold up a building

instant big bang kamehameha x 100 wouldnt even touch supes and if it could it wouldnt even tatter his clothing

you fail thanks for playing

Nobody fails except you sir, first look at the poll, got that out of the way. Superman speed blitz and what? Ssj4 Gogeta would knock the hell out of him like Shenron. Your acting like he would stand there and let superman freeze him, no like I said instant big bang kamehameha x100 supes dead.

EDIT: I meant omega shenron not the actual shenron

[QUOTE="C4_yourself"][QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"][QUOTE="C4_yourself"]

lets compare goku and superman shall we

speed

while dbz characters are fast they are no where near light speed

ssj gotenks took 28 minutes to fly 40 thousand miles

however superman has been able to move from one side of the planet and back in a split second and has even traveled millions of miles through space in mere seconds

superman is faster then the dbz and dbgt cast

DanteSuikoden

You sir are smoking something real strong, first off Goku can teleport instantly automatically making him faster than superman. Instant kamehameha superman is gone, dead, point blank end of story. Don't even get started on Ssj4 Gogeta. Instant big bang kamehameha x100 is overkill.

goku uses a teleportation technique however before he could focus on a ki signal , superman would simply speed blitz him and break his neck

ssj4 goku couldnt even escape being frozen in ice and struggled to hold up a building

instant big bang kamehameha x 100 wouldnt even touch supes and if it could it wouldnt even tatter his clothing

you fail thanks for playing

Nobody fails except you sir, first look at the poll, got that out of the way. Superman speed blitz and what? Ssj4 Gogeta would knock the hell out of him like Shenron. Your acting like he would stand there and let superman freeze him, no like I said instant big bang kamehameha x100 supes dead.

EDIT: I meant omega shenron not the actual shenron

superman survived being hit with the weight of the entire planet

if ssj4 gogeta hit supes hit hand would break

supes is faster let me know whenssj4 gogeta can traverse an entire multiverse

superman is stronger let me know when ssj4 gogeta can move an entire planet

the entire dbz cast gets killed in the blink of an eye

you fail

100x kamehameha wave

tatters supermans clothing

heat vision= the entire dbz cast gets turned into dust

[QUOTE="C4_yourself"][QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"][QUOTE="C4_yourself"]

not just supes but most members of the jla would solo the dbz cast

flash, any lantern could, captain marvel, heck martian manhunter would mind rape them, [if he wasnt dead]

Oscar-Wilde

Psshh and i even agreed with you on my last post, can't believe it. seriously Supeman, Flash and maybe just maybe green lantern are the only DC heroes who could challenge SSJ4 Gogeta, most of them are complete chumps relatively.

any lantern could solo the dbz cast, ww could solo the dbz cast,

any new god could solo the dbz cast,

dc and marvel both have hundreds of characters that could solo the dbzcast even ssj4 gogeta would be swatted aside like a fly

Not really, most DC Super heroes if not all have some clearly distinctive highly exploitable weaknesses, while most saiyans have none not counting the fact that saiyans get more powerful everytime they get badly hurt + the Dragonballs means that their power potential it's limitless, it's pretty clear that they are practically immortals. Marvel heroes on the other hand do some pretty powerful stuff without having any weaknesses so that's debatable.

most characterrs dont have one

the saiyans do get more powerful everytime they fight however at their strongest they are still far below supes and most marvel and dc characters

the dragon balls arel imitedi n what they can do

they couldnt kill nappa and vegeta and they couldnt turn 18 into a human

so yah

[QUOTE="C4_yourself"][QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"][QUOTE="C4_yourself"]

lets compare goku and superman shall we

speed

while dbz characters are fast they are no where near light speed

ssj gotenks took 28 minutes to fly 40 thousand miles

however superman has been able to move from one side of the planet and back in a split second and has even traveled millions of miles through space in mere seconds

superman is faster then the dbz and dbgt cast

DanteSuikoden

You sir are smoking something real strong, first off Goku can teleport instantly automatically making him faster than superman. Instant kamehameha superman is gone, dead, point blank end of story. Don't even get started on Ssj4 Gogeta. Instant big bang kamehameha x100 is overkill.

goku uses a teleportation technique however before he could focus on a ki signal , superman would simply speed blitz him and break his neck

ssj4 goku couldnt even escape being frozen in ice and struggled to hold up a building

instant big bang kamehameha x 100 wouldnt even touch supes and if it could it wouldnt even tatter his clothing

you fail thanks for playing

Nobody fails except you sir, first look at the poll, got that out of the way. Superman speed blitz and what? Ssj4 Gogeta would knock the hell out of him like Shenron. Your acting like he would stand there and let superman freeze him, no like I said instant big bang kamehameha x100 supes dead.

EDIT: I meant omega shenron not the actual shenron

its been proven so many times supes is faster

like i said come back when gogeta can traverse an entire multiverse or move from one side of the planet and back in a split second

you fail thanks for playing

supes has already taken things far worse then what any dbz or dbgt character can dish out

the strongest dbgt or dbz attack would be lucky to tatter some of supermans clothing

assuming he doesnt blitz them and kill them instantly

[QUOTE="RatchetV1"]

I guess you bring up and arguement but I feel as if DBZ fighters are on a whole different power level. I mean come on, with all the powers Superman has. he can barely take care of Doomsday. I think Doomsday would be toyed with in the DBZ universe. Im not saying Superman is pathetic and he wouldnt be able to do anything, i just feel that in the long run Gogeta would be victorious. I mean Gogeta's power level is ridiculous. Speed too. He can teleport also. When Omega Shenron was attacking im with his "most powerful" attack and it didnt hurt him at all. And when Omega Shenron punched him, it hurt him instead. Thats power. Especially since Omega Shenron has all the powers from the dragon ballz or whatever, forgot the story behind him but he was considered unbeatable.

I would say SSJ4 Gogeta is most powerful in his universe, and Superman is most powerful in his universe.

and like I said, I feel DBZ standards are way higher with over exaggerated strength and power levels. I just think Superman wouldnt really be a challenge for them.

clayron

You can not compare Superman fighting Doomsday to Gogeta fighting Shenron. Gogeta and Shenron fought on a lifeless planet. Superman had to fight around people, thus holding back to ensure their safety. He also saved lives while he fought off doomsday. When he finally quit holding back Doomsday went down, If Supes had went all out from the get-go then Doomsday would have recieved an epic tooshy whipping while Superman would have took a lot less damage, and probably would not have died.

You can not ignore what Superman can do. Going FTL in a short distance is technically teleporting. Goku can do it, and so can Superman. But, I will concede that the Spirit Bomb owns all.

Um.. always happens? Goku dies twice. Goku's new transformation have never gotten him to win a fight, besides the time he transformed into a super saiyan.

I think you vastly underestimate how insanely strong dragonball characters are. Like for instantance in dragonball when Goku was 12 at times in the first tournment the crowd could not see him because he was so fast. Master Roshi was also able to blow up the moon during this time period. His power level is only 139, Goku's when he transformed into a super saiyan for the first time is 15,000,000.

[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="RatchetV1"]

I guess you bring up and arguement but I feel as if DBZ fighters are on a whole different power level. I mean come on, with all the powers Superman has. he can barely take care of Doomsday. I think Doomsday would be toyed with in the DBZ universe. Im not saying Superman is pathetic and he wouldnt be able to do anything, i just feel that in the long run Gogeta would be victorious. I mean Gogeta's power level is ridiculous. Speed too. He can teleport also. When Omega Shenron was attacking im with his "most powerful" attack and it didnt hurt him at all. And when Omega Shenron punched him, it hurt him instead. Thats power. Especially since Omega Shenron has all the powers from the dragon ballz or whatever, forgot the story behind him but he was considered unbeatable.

I would say SSJ4 Gogeta is most powerful in his universe, and Superman is most powerful in his universe.

and like I said, I feel DBZ standards are way higher with over exaggerated strength and power levels. I just think Superman wouldnt really be a challenge for them.

Devil-Itachi

You can not compare Superman fighting Doomsday to Gogeta fighting Shenron. Gogeta and Shenron fought on a lifeless planet. Superman had to fight around people, thus holding back to ensure their safety. He also saved lives while he fought off doomsday. When he finally quit holding back Doomsday went down, If Supes had went all out from the get-go then Doomsday would have recieved an epic tooshy whipping while Superman would have took a lot less damage, and probably would not have died.

You can not ignore what Superman can do. Going FTL in a short distance is technically teleporting. Goku can do it, and so can Superman. But, I will concede that the Spirit Bomb owns all.

Um.. always happens? Goku dies twice. Goku's new transformation have never gotten him to win a fight, besides the time he transformed into a super saiyan.

I think you vastly underestimate how insanely strong dragonball characters are. Like for instantance in dragonball when Goku was 12 at times in the first tournment the crowd could not see him because he was so fast. Master Roshi was also able to blow up the moon during this time period. His power level is only 139, Goku's when he transformed into a super saiyan for the first time is 15,000,000.

light is 186 thousand miles per second

in the manga it took ssj gotenks 28 minutes to fly 40 thousand miles

nuff said

[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"][QUOTE="C4_yourself"][QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"][QUOTE="C4_yourself"]

lets compare goku and superman shall we

speed

while dbz characters are fast they are no where near light speed

ssj gotenks took 28 minutes to fly 40 thousand miles

however superman has been able to move from one side of the planet and back in a split second and has even traveled millions of miles through space in mere seconds

superman is faster then the dbz and dbgt cast

C4_yourself

You sir are smoking something real strong, first off Goku can teleport instantly automatically making him faster than superman. Instant kamehameha superman is gone, dead, point blank end of story. Don't even get started on Ssj4 Gogeta. Instant big bang kamehameha x100 is overkill.

goku uses a teleportation technique however before he could focus on a ki signal , superman would simply speed blitz him and break his neck

ssj4 goku couldnt even escape being frozen in ice and struggled to hold up a building

instant big bang kamehameha x 100 wouldnt even touch supes and if it could it wouldnt even tatter his clothing

you fail thanks for playing

Nobody fails except you sir, first look at the poll, got that out of the way. Superman speed blitz and what? Ssj4 Gogeta would knock the hell out of him like Shenron. Your acting like he would stand there and let superman freeze him, no like I said instant big bang kamehameha x100 supes dead.

EDIT: I meant omega shenron not the actual shenron

superman survived being hit with the weight of the entire planet Yeah and how many times has supes died? Goku died twice, how many times has the almighty supes have to be reincarnated or brought back somehow?

if ssj4 gogeta hit supes hit hand would break In your opinion but no....just no

supes is faster let me know whenssj4 gogeta can traverse an entire multiverse back to my point that goku or any fusion hes in can teleport rendering your point obsolete

superman is stronger let me know when ssj4 gogeta can move an entire planet remind me which superman your talking about because idk which your because how many times the "almighty" has died

the entire dbz cast gets killed in the blink of an eye in your blinded eyes from reading too much comics rendering this obsolete

you fail

100x kamehameha wave

tatters supermans clothingmust i point out why this is obsolete again?

heat vision= the entire dbz cast gets turned into dust his heat vision is nothing much more than freezas death beam and look how weak freeza is compared to a super saiyan let alone 2 fused ssj 4's

[QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"][QUOTE="C4_yourself"][QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"][QUOTE="C4_yourself"]

not just supes but most members of the jla would solo the dbz cast

flash, any lantern could, captain marvel, heck martian manhunter would mind rape them, [if he wasnt dead]

C4_yourself

Psshh and i even agreed with you on my last post, can't believe it. seriously Supeman, Flash and maybe just maybe green lantern are the only DC heroes who could challenge SSJ4 Gogeta, most of them are complete chumps relatively.

any lantern could solo the dbz cast, ww could solo the dbz cast,

any new god could solo the dbz cast,

dc and marvel both have hundreds of characters that could solo the dbzcast even ssj4 gogeta would be swatted aside like a fly

Not really, most DC Super heroes if not all have some clearly distinctive highly exploitable weaknesses, while most saiyans have none not counting the fact that saiyans get more powerful everytime they get badly hurt + the Dragonballs means that their power potential it's limitless, it's pretty clear that they are practically immortals. Marvel heroes on the other hand do some pretty powerful stuff without having any weaknesses so that's debatable.

most characterrs dont have one

the saiyans do get more powerful everytime they fight however at their strongest they are still far below supes and most marvel and dc characters

the dragon balls arel imitedi n what they can do

they couldnt kill nappa and vegeta and they couldnt turn 18 into a human

so yah

You haven't really demonstrated any evidence of this and honestly in all my years on reading comics i haven't seen any DC hero besides green lantern, flash and super man (note I'm not talking about villains, there's a few dozen that could definitely kick goku's ass's) that have demonstrated the level of fighting that was going on on the last fight in DBGT, I will concede to you though since the other heroes are not part of this disscussion and your point is right, superman could beat SSJ4.

once again

heat vision

[QUOTE="C4_yourself"][QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"][QUOTE="C4_yourself"][QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"][QUOTE="C4_yourself"]

lets compare goku and superman shall we

speed

while dbz characters are fast they are no where near light speed

ssj gotenks took 28 minutes to fly 40 thousand miles

however superman has been able to move from one side of the planet and back in a split second and has even traveled millions of miles through space in mere seconds

superman is faster then the dbz and dbgt cast

DanteSuikoden

You sir are smoking something real strong, first off Goku can teleport instantly automatically making him faster than superman. Instant kamehameha superman is gone, dead, point blank end of story. Don't even get started on Ssj4 Gogeta. Instant big bang kamehameha x100 is overkill.

goku uses a teleportation technique however before he could focus on a ki signal , superman would simply speed blitz him and break his neck

ssj4 goku couldnt even escape being frozen in ice and struggled to hold up a building

instant big bang kamehameha x 100 wouldnt even touch supes and if it could it wouldnt even tatter his clothing

you fail thanks for playing

Nobody fails except you sir, first look at the poll, got that out of the way. Superman speed blitz and what? Ssj4 Gogeta would knock the hell out of him like Shenron. Your acting like he would stand there and let superman freeze him, no like I said instant big bang kamehameha x100 supes dead.

EDIT: I meant omega shenron not the actual shenron

superman survived being hit with the weight of the entire planet Yeah and how many times has supes died? Goku died twice, how many times has the almighty supes have to be reincarnated or brought back somehow?

if ssj4 gogeta hit supes hit hand would break In your opinion but no....just no

supes is faster let me know whenssj4 gogeta can traverse an entire multiverse back to my point that goku or any fusion hes in can teleport rendering your point obsolete

superman is stronger let me know when ssj4 gogeta can move an entire planet remind me which superman your talking about because idk which your because how many times the "almighty" has died

the entire dbz cast gets killed in the blink of an eye in your blinded eyes from reading too much comics rendering this obsolete

you fail

100x kamehameha wave

tatters supermans clothingmust i point out why this is obsolete again?

heat vision= the entire dbz cast gets turned into dust his heat vision is nothing much more than freezas death beam and look how weak freeza is compared to a super saiyan let alone 2 fused ssj 4's

[QUOTE="C4_yourself"][QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"][QUOTE="C4_yourself"][QUOTE="Oscar-Wilde"][QUOTE="C4_yourself"]

not just supes but most members of the jla would solo the dbz cast

flash, any lantern could, captain marvel, heck martian manhunter would mind rape them, [if he wasnt dead]

Oscar-Wilde

Psshh and i even agreed with you on my last post, can't believe it. seriously Supeman, Flash and maybe just maybe green lantern are the only DC heroes who could challenge SSJ4 Gogeta, most of them are complete chumps relatively.

any lantern could solo the dbz cast, ww could solo the dbz cast,

any new god could solo the dbz cast,

dc and marvel both have hundreds of characters that could solo the dbzcast even ssj4 gogeta would be swatted aside like a fly

Not really, most DC Super heroes if not all have some clearly distinctive highly exploitable weaknesses, while most saiyans have none not counting the fact that saiyans get more powerful everytime they get badly hurt + the Dragonballs means that their power potential it's limitless, it's pretty clear that they are practically immortals. Marvel heroes on the other hand do some pretty powerful stuff without having any weaknesses so that's debatable.

most characterrs dont have one

the saiyans do get more powerful everytime they fight however at their strongest they are still far below supes and most marvel and dc characters

the dragon balls arel imitedi n what they can do

they couldnt kill nappa and vegeta and they couldnt turn 18 into a human

so yah

You haven't really demonstrated any evidence of this and honestly in all my years on reading comics i haven't seen any DC hero besides green lantern, flash and super man (note I'm not talking about villains, there's a few dozen that could definitely kick goku's ass's) that have demonstrated the level of fighting that was going on on the last fight in DBGT, I will concede to you though since the other heroes are not part of this disscussion and your point is right, superman could beat SSJ4.

im sorry but their are several hundred heroes that could smoke goku even in his ssj4 form

sentry hulk thor silver surfer

captain marvel black adam orion etc

the list goes on an on

[QUOTE="Devil-Itachi"][QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="RatchetV1"]

I guess you bring up and arguement but I feel as if DBZ fighters are on a whole different power level. I mean come on, with all the powers Superman has. he can barely take care of Doomsday. I think Doomsday would be toyed with in the DBZ universe. Im not saying Superman is pathetic and he wouldnt be able to do anything, i just feel that in the long run Gogeta would be victorious. I mean Gogeta's power level is ridiculous. Speed too. He can teleport also. When Omega Shenron was attacking im with his "most powerful" attack and it didnt hurt him at all. And when Omega Shenron punched him, it hurt him instead. Thats power. Especially since Omega Shenron has all the powers from the dragon ballz or whatever, forgot the story behind him but he was considered unbeatable.

I would say SSJ4 Gogeta is most powerful in his universe, and Superman is most powerful in his universe.

and like I said, I feel DBZ standards are way higher with over exaggerated strength and power levels. I just think Superman wouldnt really be a challenge for them.

C4_yourself

You can not compare Superman fighting Doomsday to Gogeta fighting Shenron. Gogeta and Shenron fought on a lifeless planet. Superman had to fight around people, thus holding back to ensure their safety. He also saved lives while he fought off doomsday. When he finally quit holding back Doomsday went down, If Supes had went all out from the get-go then Doomsday would have recieved an epic tooshy whipping while Superman would have took a lot less damage, and probably would not have died.

You can not ignore what Superman can do. Going FTL in a short distance is technically teleporting. Goku can do it, and so can Superman. But, I will concede that the Spirit Bomb owns all.

Um.. always happens? Goku dies twice. Goku's new transformation have never gotten him to win a fight, besides the time he transformed into a super saiyan.

I think you vastly underestimate how insanely strong dragonball characters are. Like for instantance in dragonball when Goku was 12 at times in the first tournment the crowd could not see him because he was so fast. Master Roshi was also able to blow up the moon during this time period. His power level is only 139, Goku's when he transformed into a super saiyan for the first time is 15,000,000.

light is 186 thousand miles per second

in the manga it took ssj gotenks 28 minutes to fly 40 thousand miles

nuff said

Even if Superman can go faster, which doesn't seem likely. Goku can simply blow up the planet or use instant transmission. Thing that bugs me if Superman is so fast why doesn't he ever show it.

Dr. Manhattan would still wtfpwn both of them.Crucifier

Well duh, he's basically what you would get if Superman and Silver Surfer had a baby. :P

whats a gogeta?

anyhow, superman wins easily

Superman....../thread...

still dbz characters never reached light speed

light is 186 thousand miles per second

in the manga it took ssj gotenks 28 minutes to fly 40 thousand miles

nuff said

C4_yourself

because he couldn't teleport. Didn't you see when goku first learned to teleport and flew like a 1000 miles away to get master roshi's magazine and came back all in like 4 seconds?

Even if Superman can go faster, which doesn't seem likely. Goku can simply blow up the planet or use instant transmission. Thing that bugs me if Superman is so fast why doesn't he ever show it.

If Superman were to hit near or exceed light speed anywhere near civilization everything, EVERYTHING, would die. clayron

Superman can't go anywhere near the speed of light, he can only go as fast as a speeding bullet. Which is 5,000ft/s MAX. Which is about 3500mph. And that's a bullet from a modern sniper rifle, not a normal handgun bullet back when superman was created. (which is much, much slower) Once goku masters teleportation he can go at the speed of light in a normal battle. Speed of light >>>>> 3500mph

See, you quantify GOku's power; whereas, Superman power, as far as we know, has never really reached a limit. I said it before and I will say it now. Sneezing out solar systems. Breaks the bonds of infinity.
clayron

At super sayian 2, it was calculated that goku had the power to blow up like 10 planets. At SSJ4, he's 49 times stronger. How many planets does superman have the power to blow up? Last time I checked he could barely destroy a sky scraper :?

[QUOTE="clayron"]If Superman were to hit near or exceed light speed anywhere near civilization everything, EVERYTHING, would die. munu9

Superman can't go anywhere near the speed of light, he can only go as fast as a speeding bullet. Which is 5,000ft/s MAX. Which is about 3500mph. And that's a bullet from a modern sniper rifle, not a normal handgun bullet back when superman was created. (which is much, much slower) Once goku masters teleportation he can go at the speed of light in a normal battle. Speed of light >>>>> 3500mph

[QUOTE="clayron"] See, you quantify GOku's power; whereas, Superman power, as far as we know, has never really reached a limit. I said it before and I will say it now. Sneezing out solar systems. Breaks the bonds of infinity.
munu9

At super sayian 2, it was calculated that goku had the power to blow up like 10 planets. At SSJ4, he's 49 times stronger. How many planets does superman have the power to blow up? Last time I checked he could barely destroy a sky scraper :?

[QUOTE="munu9"]

[QUOTE="clayron"] See, you quantify GOku's power; whereas, Superman power, as far as we know, has never really reached a limit. I said it before and I will say it now. Sneezing out solar systems. Breaks the bonds of infinity.
clayron

At super sayian 2, it was calculated that goku had the power to blow up like 10 planets. At SSJ4, he's 49 times stronger. How many planets does superman have the power to blow up? Last time I checked he could barely destroy a sky scraper :?

Did he ever do it or threaten to do that? Or proven to be able to do that?

[QUOTE="munu9"]

[QUOTE="clayron"]If Superman were to hit near or exceed light speed anywhere near civilization everything, EVERYTHING, would die. clayron

Superman can't go anywhere near the speed of light, he can only go as fast as a speeding bullet. Which is 5,000ft/s MAX. Which is about 3500mph. And that's a bullet from a modern sniper rifle, not a normal handgun bullet back when superman was created. (which is much, much slower) Once goku masters teleportation he can go at the speed of light in a normal battle. Speed of light >>>>> 3500mph

Well I guess Superman spits in Einsteins face :? Why shouldn't it stick to superman's original stated abilities? How do we know that when superman did his faster than light speed treck, it was just an exaggeration? He did that in a movie right? Hollywood exaggeration?

Superman is more comparable to Super Saiyan Goku, IMO.

Superman is stronger than a locomotive and faster than a speeding bullet, but Goku is stronger than Frieza and can move as energy at the speed of light.BranKetra

That sounds like early Dragonball strength. I'm thinking Master Roshi ftw.

[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="munu9"]

[QUOTE="clayron"]If Superman were to hit near or exceed light speed anywhere near civilization everything, EVERYTHING, would die. munu9

Superman can't go anywhere near the speed of light, he can only go as fast as a speeding bullet. Which is 5,000ft/s MAX. Which is about 3500mph. And that's a bullet from a modern sniper rifle, not a normal handgun bullet back when superman was created. (which is much, much slower) Once goku masters teleportation he can go at the speed of light in a normal battle. Speed of light >>>>> 3500mph

Well I guess Superman spits in Einsteins face :? Why shouldn't it stick to superman's original stated abilities? How do we know that when superman did his faster than light speed treck, it was just an exaggeration? He did that in a movie right? Hollywood exaggeration?