Technically there must be a creator.

I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. SeanDog123

I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. SeanDog123

[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. fanofazrienoch

But that argument doesn't make sense, because how can something always exist?

[QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"]I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. SeanDog123

But that argument doesn't make sense, because how can something always exist?

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[QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"]I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. Mr_Sesshomaru

But that argument doesn't make sense, because how can something always exist?

Yes, but thiests also make the argument that god is eternal, and I dont think matter is eternal.

no, because:

1, there would have to have been something to create the creator and that would go on forever which wouldnt work

2, e=mc^2 im not entirely sure about this but i think that e=mc^2 means that matter can be created and destroyed, it is just converted into energy (i think, im probably completely wrong though)

I seriously don't think the human brain is meant to comprehend such matters...

[QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"]I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. SeanDog123

But that argument doesn't make sense, because how can something always exist?

How could a creator have always existed?

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[QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"]I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. SeanDog123

But that argument doesn't make sense, because how can something always exist?

Yes, but thiests also make the argument that god is eternal, and I dont think matter is eternal.

I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. SeanDog123

Which leads to the problem of where did the creator come from? Did some one create the creator? And if so who created the creator creator? Its a never ending chain. Basicly, we don't know, so just accept that we don't know and get on with life. What is it with the majority of humans needing an answer to life the universe and everything? We allready know its 42.

Yes, there is a creator and glad you see it :DNapster06

There is a creator. I am religious and belive god made everything. Actually scientists are looking into intelligent design

[QUOTE="Napster06"]Yes, there is a creator and glad you see it :Dguyguyguy1234

There is a creator. I am religious and belive god made everything. Actually scientists are looking into intelligent design

I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. SeanDog123

I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. SeanDog123

Why do you instantly jump to a "creator" when there are endless possibilities out there that could explain the existence of matter.Either way, why does matter need an explanation, why cant it simply be?

And even if there is a creator, we wont know.The worlds religions are too flawed for it to even be any of them, so why even try and worship or believe in such a being when there is no empirical evidence to prove that it exists.

My granny created the world.rom11

I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. SeanDog123

Matter can not be CREATED or DESTROYED... meaning matter has always just been here there was not starting point.... wrap your brain around that

[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. bsman00

Matter can not be CREATED or DESTROYED... meaning matter has always just been here there was not starting point.... wrap your brain around that

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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. MissRiotmaker

Matter can not be CREATED or DESTROYED... meaning matter has always just been here there was not starting point.... wrap your brain around that

Steven hawking belives that before the big bang all the matter in the universe was compacted into an infinitesimally small area. So it was allready there, just compacted so small it was unusable.

I seriously don't think the human brain is meant to comprehend such matters...

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My granny created the world.rom11

Oops. You forgot she was created by God.

Oops. You forgot she was created by God.

Napster06

not necessarily.

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[QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"]I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. SeanDog123

But that argument doesn't make sense, because how can something always exist?

Yes, but thiests also make the argument that god is eternal, and I dont think matter is eternal.

If it's not eternal what would you call not being created or destroyed?

e=mc^2 im not entirely sure about this but i think that e=mc^2 means that matter can be created and destroyed, it is just converted into energy (i think, im probably completely wrong though)

rb2610

Your right, but energy can not be destroyed it just changes form

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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. mattyftm

Matter can not be CREATED or DESTROYED... meaning matter has always just been here there was not starting point.... wrap your brain around that

Steven hawking belives that before the big bang all the matter in the universe was compacted into an infinitesimally small area. So it was allready there, just compacted so small it was unusable.

Yeah i guess you could call it small but it was technically everything so it was the smallest and the biggest... so when the big bang went off... it created space and time

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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. bsman00

Matter can not be CREATED or DESTROYED... meaning matter has always just been here there was not starting point.... wrap your brain around that

Steven hawking belives that before the big bang all the matter in the universe was compacted into an infinitesimally small area. So it was allready there, just compacted so small it was unusable.

Yeah i guess you could call it small but it was technically everything so it was the smallest and the biggest... so when the big bang went off... it created space and time

and big bang also somehow managed to create humanity, water, oxygen etc etc

God created everything, he wasnt created, he always existedmingo123

Proof???

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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. mingo123

Matter can not be CREATED or DESTROYED... meaning matter has always just been here there was not starting point.... wrap your brain around that

Steven hawking belives that before the big bang all the matter in the universe was compacted into an infinitesimally small area. So it was allready there, just compacted so small it was unusable.

Yeah i guess you could call it small but it was technically everything so it was the smallest and the biggest... so when the big bang went off... it created space and time

and big bang also somehow managed to create humanity, water, oxygen etc etc

oxygeon is part of water and both were created in the big bang,

humanity is a combination of chemical reactions, that's all

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[QUOTE="SeanDog123"]I dont consider myself religious, but if you think about it there must be a creator. If matter cant be created or destroyed, where did matter come from? It must have been created at some point. mingo123

Matter can not be CREATED or DESTROYED... meaning matter has always just been here there was not starting point.... wrap your brain around that

Steven hawking belives that before the big bang all the matter in the universe was compacted into an infinitesimally small area. So it was allready there, just compacted so small it was unusable.

Yeah i guess you could call it small but it was technically everything so it was the smallest and the biggest... so when the big bang went off... it created space and time

and big bang also somehow managed to create humanity, water, oxygen etc etc

yes... over billions and billions of years....

oxygeon is part of water and both were created in the big bang,

humanity is a combination of chemical reactions, that's all

markop2003

Oxygen a part of water? Or was it the other way round, since oxygen is a basic element. Humanity may be a combination of chemical elements, but I don't think it was by chance.

God created everything, he wasnt created, he always existedmingo123

there's as much proof in that statement as that of matter being eternal.

God created everything, he wasnt created, he always existedmingo123

See we are saying the same things your calling it god , we are calling it the big bang.... your thinking god is some sort of human like being.... god is in everything you me, plants, animals... i hope that makes sense

Oxygen a part of water? Or was it the other way round, since oxygen is a basic element. Humanity may be a combination of chemical elements, but I don't think it was by chance.

Napster06

water is made of oxygen and hydrogen, so he is correct.

[QUOTE="mingo123"]God created everything, he wasnt created, he always existedbsman00

See we are saying the same things your calling it god , we are calling it the big bang.... your thinking god is some sort of human like being.... god is in everything you me, plants, animals... i hope that makes sense

i dont think God is human like being, God IS everything

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[QUOTE="mingo123"]God created everything, he wasnt created, he always existedmingo123

See we are saying the same things your calling it god , we are calling it the big bang.... your thinking god is some sort of human like being.... god is in everything you me, plants, animals... i hope that makes sense

i dont think God is human like being, God IS everything

Duh dude thats what i just said.. so then we are in agreement

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[QUOTE="mingo123"]God created everything, he wasnt created, he always existedNapster06

See we are saying the same things your calling it god , we are calling it the big bang.... your thinking god is some sort of human like being.... god is in everything you me, plants, animals... i hope that makes sense

I believe in both the Big Bang and the existence of God. Where does that put me?

I think that makes you steven hawking.

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[QUOTE="mingo123"]God created everything, he wasnt created, he always existedmingo123

See we are saying the same things your calling it god , we are calling it the big bang.... your thinking god is some sort of human like being.... god is in everything you me, plants, animals... i hope that makes sense

i dont think God is human like being, God IS everything

if god is everything then he is humans too, so we therefore have no free will, is that what your saying

No, all arguments relating to the creator are made by people who cannot accept that we are here by luck, its just how it is, we may not have a purpose, but we were lucky enough to have the right chemical reactions in the right environment at the right time.kruesader

i dont think God is human like being, God IS everything

mingo123

so you're a Pandeist.

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i dont think God is human like being, God IS everything

Hewkii

so you're a Pandeist.

I am Muslim :D anyways

I think that we must admit that the only acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as indeed it is to me, but we must not reject a theory that we do not like if the experimental evidence supports it. - English materialist physicist H. P. Lipton

I am Muslim :D anyways

I think that we must admit that the only acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as indeed it is to me, but we must not reject a theory that we do not like if the experimental evidence supports it. - English materialist physicist H. P. Lipton

mingo123

what is this experimental evidence?