Technically there must be a creator.

[QUOTE="rom11"]My granny created the world.Napster06

Oops. You forgot she was created by God.

Actually my granny created the God...

[QUOTE="Napster06"]

[QUOTE="rom11"]My granny created the world.rom11

Oops. You forgot she was created by God.

Actually my granny created the God...

She'll be spending eternity with "her" god too.

These topics beat up my brain.

Matter can't be created.

Something that exists has to be created, it's just impossible for something to have always been there.

Brainkiller05

If something was before big bang what created that something? And so on...

WELL i guess i need to ask you this first... Do you think god knows what has happened before, now, and in the future??

bsman00

Of course he does.

[QUOTE="bsman00"]

WELL i guess i need to ask you this first... Do you think god knows what has happened before, now, and in the future??

Napster06

Of course he does.

Knowing what will happen next is not influencing what will happen. If God knew what would happen when He created us then God knew what would happen; He didn't make us do it by creating us nor did He violate any of the definitions of free will above.

Dracargen

though it seems a tad pointless to let someone exist if you know they're going to burn for eternity. may as well just not make them.

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]

These topics beat up my brain.

Matter can't be created.

Something that exists has to be created, it's just impossible for something to have always been there.

rom11

If something was before big bang what created that something? And so on...

It's a difficult concept to think about, but physics supports this view.

I've been thinking (uh oh) that is it not possible that humans know what's going to happen, but they don't determine what will happen? Like the Penguins are going to play the Flyers tomorrow night, and 20000 people are gonna show up to watch it. Now obviously that's assuming something drastic doesn't happen to prevent that. So if I know that that is going to happen, I'm not causing it to happen; am I? So God could do the same, right?blackngold29

but if God knew everything he wouldn't think in terms of "assuming this doesn't happen." he would know, and by default it must be true because he knew it.

Yawn. Using circular logic to prove a creator.

Stop. Now. The fail is epic. We just create more hate. Let those who are qualified speak, which is just about no one here.

Cmon people. Using circular logic to prove a god is like using scripture to prove god. It just doesn't work. But if we are here just to continue our high school level debates over who is correct then by all means go ahead :D.