texas kid arrested for bringing homemade clock to school

@drunk_pi: like I said, you have no argument so keep quiet.

you must be new here :P

@dammitdanbo:

We showed photos of bombs vs what was depicted. Also it's important to note that were looking inside of the clock. The clock barely had anything that resembles a bomb.

There is no argument because you lost it yet you keep stating the same thing over and over. By your logic any electronic device when dissembled or open could be a bomb.

Well played sir, well played!

The only thing I know the teacher was thinking was, ''OMG DIS KID HAS A BOMB!". And that's all that matters.

The fault of the individual is that he made a clock in a suitcase which automatically translated to a suitcase bomb because bombs have small circuits with a huge display and no 'chemical' containers to react and explode. The kid made a damn bomb.

Definition of a mistake is an action or judgement that is misguided or wrong. In this particular instance, the suspicion is that the kid brought in a bomb, that is wrong so it's a mistake. Again, it was a honest mistake but still a mistake. I don't know why you are arguing this because this is clear cut in any court of law.

I didn't say the school or the police did anything wrong, but apology is in order because they were mistaken in their suspicion and the kid was treated as a criminal. In some ways both parties were innocent but as the adults and establishment, school and police should apologize to the kid and clearly states that this unfortunate event should not reflect on the school's primary mission to encourage and nurture young people's interest in science and technology, which the way school react would make it seem otherwise.

I also I did specifically mentioned such policies in the state of Texas in the post you were responding to, so unless you can cite a recent example of kid getting punished for wear NRA or gun shirt you are wrong.

@drunk_pi: "so it's important to note that were looking inside of the clock. The clock barely had anything that resembles a bomb."

That right there shows that you din

dont even understand the picture you are looking at. I already explained that, so that also shows you lack the ability to comprehend anything.

That picture is everything, it's not the inside of a clock, it's a CD case.

You are completely ignorant and in denial if you see no resemblance to other briefcase bombs. You should also look up and study ieds a little.

@dammitdanbo:

Dude I can't even. Live in your own fantasy world. It's not a bomb and doesn't even remotely look like a bomb.

You have been dismissed time and again and still spout nonsense.

Oh my Christ.....

These don't match

If you think they do that means either you have problems seeing, you have some sort of mental illness that obscures what reality is, or you're just trying to find any reason to defend this person.

give it up. it's like talking to a bag of marshmallows.

@comp_atkins: says the other guy that failed to bring a valid argument. You've been proven wrong every time.

@drunk_pi: except you haven't dismissed anyone. I pointed out your errors and you can't even back them up. Instead you dodge it.

Looks like a bomb component. Period. Looks like a brief case bomb being made. Period. You said you can't see the numbers. It'd labeled in *your*picture.

Instead of screaming " I won" you should actually bring an argument that cant be proven wrong.

we've been though this already. by your logic nearly everything can "look like a bomb component" hence my "terrible" comparisons. a watch can be a bomb component, a cell phone can be a bomb component. shit there's probably a way a cheese sandwich can be used as a bomb component. that is where the 100billion or so cells between your ears need to start earning their paycheck. sometimes a clock is just a clock, a phone is just a phone, and a cheese sandwich is just lunch.

try to keep up

@Jaysonguy: @dammitdanbo:

In the same link, they pointed out that it was a pencil case NOT a brief case. It was a home brewed clock so it's not going to look manufactured especially if it's being made by a 14 year old.

Compare that pencil case clock with pictures of briefcase bombs and you'll notice the difference.

.........

Oh my Christ

Yeah, anyone looking at the picture can see that there's a plug that's 2 inches long next to it making that case about 6 inches by 10 inches.

So now what you're saying is that because the thing that looks like a briefcase bomb wasn't regulation sized it's obviously a clock?

Please, oh please for Christ's sake confirm this before we further this conversation.

At least you have admitted to talking out the wrong side of your mouth when you claimed teacher only looked at the color of the kid or his name. Of course such a claim makes the situation appear more dire and dark. Ultimately all you know is the teacher saw something that looked suspicious and alerted the authorities. All of the people here saying they knew the picture looks like a clock are full of it. Provided one can remain objective, it should not be difficult to admit this gizmo would have most people scratching their heads rather than believing it is the second coming of a Timex or Armitron. Being honest isn't the narrative the media or left wants exposed. Honesty in this case wouldn't pull at the strings of the bleeding hearts.

@drunk_pi: briefcase bomb is just the common term used to describe the type of bomb. Term can be used for any sized case.

Why do you bring up it looking manufactured? When has any IED looked manufactured? It's not about how much it resembles an actual clock, it's about how much it resembles a briefcase bomb. An IED. That alone is enough to kick an alarm and have it checked out.

He literally just needs some sort of combustible or explosive In the case, he can run a wire(the one that triggers the alarm in a clock.) It sends an electric surge through the wire that would trigger a detonation.

Again the school obviously knew it wasn't explosive because no one was evacuated. But it looks suspiciously close to being a bomb component. Notice the word component.

@comp_atkins: showing your lack of comprehension and your ignorance.

Can I wrist watch or cell phone be a bomb componentm sure, should it be considered suspicious on someone's wrist or pocket? No. Attached to wiring leading to a box of some sorts. **** yeah.

Its about the context of the situation.

In this situation, that "clock" looks like a bomb component.

Seriously, you are making a very dumb argument.

I think this thread is now just going in circles when we're arguing about what constitutes a possible bomb component.

Zero tolerance isn't speculation.

Oh I know what hyperbole is and you've been spewing it. Proof that your teachers are intimately knowledgeable about all the students.

Come to my school.

Well that says nothing. Nonetheless even family members are surprised when an individual snaps and perpetrates violence and they sure as hell know the individual better than teachers. They live with them. Plus friends are surprised etc. So it's meaningless for you to think your teachers know you that well. All anyone knows is what the person allows them to know.

School was right to take precautions. Period.

Agreed.

But claiming this particular school has such policies in place is.

Even if it does, do you actually agree with zero tolerance? Such "rules" have resulted in ridiculous incidents in which kids are sent home for wearing NRA shirts or ones with depiction of guns or religious symbol/quotes, for pointing their hands like imaginary guns or poptart in a shape of gun, for wearing shirts with American flags. If you are going to defend school policies in this instance then you would have to support their decisions in those aforementioned circumstances as well.

@GreySeal9: "have you been arguing for a bomb squad to come in to check and disarm the device, and the evacuation of the school's grounds?"

Why do you agree to that? Its obvious that didn't think it was explosive, But possibly a bomb component. There's no need to disarm that or evacuate.

Right to take precaution yes, but they should also be accountable when they are wrong about their suspicion especially when a student was mistreated. They should further clarify that kids exploring their interest in science and technology is not discouraged (which is effectively how their reaction could be interpreted as). School administration should set an examples as adults and own up to their mistakes.

FYI being detained and handcuffed is not the same as being arrested.

WTF does that even mean? They had it checked out. It's done. It's not like they suspended him and refused to let him attend classes while being wrong. It should be over and done with. They did the right thing. Why should they apologize for that?

I hope you guys know that in order to be a bomb, it would required liquid chemicals to explode. There's no way in hell these fools can't relies that a bomb isn't a bomb without liquid compound chemicals. Now tell me how is this kid gonna get such a thing?

I don't care if he was technically arrested or not. As others have said, being handcuffed like that is humiliating. There is no reason that they couldn't have questioned him without taking him out in handcuffs.

Chemistry class....you can also build your own components. It's not hard actually.

Well said. I see why they were concerned about the clock but there are better ways to handle that situation.

To some....yes it would be humiliating. However, that happens everyday. If the police are detaining someone for suspicious of any charge they slap the cuffs on them. If they don't find anything or are going to issue a citation but not arrest they take them off and send them on their way. In all honesty this isn't an unusual occurrence.

Because they were wrong and they did suspend him.

"Ahmed said the principal suspended him for three days. The school district declined to discuss details of the case, citing student privacy. But it defended the teacher who voiced concern."

The school should apologize for their error and it wasn't the right thing. It's people like you and everyone else here that continue the stupidity of zero tolerance policies in schools. I mean for fucks sake, open up a cellphone or clock, call the police, and say it's a bomb.

Dear God. The kid didn't do anything wrong and the school was retarded.

I'm no bomb expert but I didn't see anything lethal from the pic, [as far as I'm aware of] but you would think school would have limited resource.

What was the school wrong about? Taking precautions? Why should they apologize for checking out something suspicious.. If your child went there I can bet you'd be glad they took it seriously.

The police spent most of their time with him trying to get him to admit that he made a "fake" bomb to cause alarm. They knew from the beginning that it wasn't a bomb but they still kept him for hours in interrogation without allowing him to contact his parents trying to coerce him into to admitting some wrongdoing. Seems like they knew they overreacted and then spent the rest of the time trying to cover their asses. It's also worth noting that the mayor of this town is a known islamophobe so it's not a reach that the police would follow her lead.

For a 14 year old, it wouldn't only be humiliating, it would be downright terrifying.

Just because it's not an unusual occurrence doesn't make it the right course of action. Why couldn't they take him out of class for questioning without the handcuffs?

Also add to this, in Las Vegas, casinos, if they suspect someone cheating in front of a Poker game, the security team will tackle the cheater and handcuff /he/she and boy, they love to handcuff right i front of everyone. Even in school zones, they do that just an example to show the students if you act a fool in that situation. Cops/Security do this stuff just about anywhere, even school campus.

Bombs aren't really complicated dude.

It is possible to take precautions without the handcuffs. Not once did I argue that they shouldn't have taken precautions.

Are you being obtuse purposely? It's pretty straight forward logic. The right thing at the time isn't the same as absolute right thing. They had a reasonable suspicion, they reacted reasonably, but it was wrong so ultimately it was a mistake.

Yeah well the school didn't handcuff the police did. If that is your argument then you are picking on the wrong agency.

And they're not entirely electronic either and would require much more than what was depicted.

For you to argue wrongdoing then you in essence are saying they were wrong to call the police. Which you just negated in this post. If you say someone acting reasonably then they did nothing wrong.

Are you sure you know what your are talking about?

I don't know why you keep arguing against the facts. Regardless of how reasonable the suspicion was the school was wrong; it wasn't a bomb and the kid had no malicious or even mischievous intention. If they had to do it again with the knowledge of all of the fact of the matter then they wouldn't have reacted the way they did.

Whoever's fault it was, the kid shouldn't have been in handcuffs. Not sure how anybody can look at that picture of the kid being handcuffed and just shrug their shoulders.

Oh you're a bomb expert? You should work for the school which probably doesn't employ any. The correct thing to do is get someone who does know bombs to look at it. Which is why they called the authorities. Tell me....do you think schools should ignore potential danger to save some feelings or should they react to them to avoid devastation?