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#301  Edited By Maroxad
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@Renevent42 said:
@Maroxad said:

On the topic of him becoming a hero.

Deserved or not. Him stepping under the lamplight of fame and becoming a hero of sorts was great and a brilliant move on Obama, NASA, MIT and any ohters involved. Promoting intellectual curiosity among youths is excellent, and makes for far better coverage than say... promoting the next mass murderer into hero status.

The media has the power to affect our minds and our perception. Game Theorists did a video on a similar topic, albeit on video game streamers.

Let intellectual curiousity be promoted, and shine out the plague that is anti-intellectualism.

@Renevent42 said:

Tend to and can't are two different things...the reality is as others have shown there are similarities between what the kid built and other similar devices visually. Most importantly, there is absolutely nothing in regards to the size and/or components that shows it *couldn't* be a bomb or even that it's size would make it unlikely. Had he lined the inside panels of the box with explosives he could have easily wired the buzzer to a detonator cap and viola, IED. Cellphones have been used as bombs...and no...not to dial in the bomb but the actual bomb itself. All the components were inside the phone itself including the explosives.

By that line of reasoning, we can assume that everything a student brings could be a potential bomb.

That suitcase did not look like a suitcase bomb to anyone who knows what a suitcase bomb looks like. Honestly, it baffles me how anyone could even think that looks liek a bomb. do these people even know what a circuits and bombs work? I know some people assume this happened because of islamophobia, but I disagree with that notion, I blame rampant ignorance and anti-intellectualism. If the teachers hadnt been so overly paranoid, and not been so bloody ignorant (I really hope a science or engineering teacher was not involved in this).

That's simply not sound reasoning...people have already posted images of real case bombs that do share more than just passing visual similarities. As for anything can be a bomb reasoning...actually almost anything can be a bomb, but that's besides the point. The point is, he brought in something that does very much resemble a bomb. In reality people are also in this thread pretending it can't be a bomb based on size/components, and that is also completely false. In fact, it has everything it needs sans explosive material and a detonator cap. Simply hook the buzzer/speak wires to the cap, set the alarm, and it's a fully functional time bomb.

It has nothing to do with anti-intellectualism, and is instead do to zero tolerance policy where even if it's proven something isn't a threat, schools and other institutions take action regardless and there's no room for common sense. To be honest that kind of is a sort of anti-intellectual policy, so in a sense I agree, but not in context you are saying.

Again, it only resembles a bomb if you dont know what a suitcase bomb looks like. Hollywood is not a good source.

The intentions may not have been anti intellectual. But the consequences were.

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#302  Edited By Renevent42
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@Maroxad said:
@Renevent42 said:
@Maroxad said:

On the topic of him becoming a hero.

Deserved or not. Him stepping under the lamplight of fame and becoming a hero of sorts was great and a brilliant move on Obama, NASA, MIT and any ohters involved. Promoting intellectual curiosity among youths is excellent, and makes for far better coverage than say... promoting the next mass murderer into hero status.

The media has the power to affect our minds and our perception. Game Theorists did a video on a similar topic, albeit on video game streamers.

Let intellectual curiousity be promoted, and shine out the plague that is anti-intellectualism.

@Renevent42 said:

Tend to and can't are two different things...the reality is as others have shown there are similarities between what the kid built and other similar devices visually. Most importantly, there is absolutely nothing in regards to the size and/or components that shows it *couldn't* be a bomb or even that it's size would make it unlikely. Had he lined the inside panels of the box with explosives he could have easily wired the buzzer to a detonator cap and viola, IED. Cellphones have been used as bombs...and no...not to dial in the bomb but the actual bomb itself. All the components were inside the phone itself including the explosives.

By that line of reasoning, we can assume that everything a student brings could be a potential bomb.

That suitcase did not look like a suitcase bomb to anyone who knows what a suitcase bomb looks like. Honestly, it baffles me how anyone could even think that looks liek a bomb. do these people even know what a circuits and bombs work? I know some people assume this happened because of islamophobia, but I disagree with that notion, I blame rampant ignorance and anti-intellectualism. If the teachers hadnt been so overly paranoid, and not been so bloody ignorant (I really hope a science or engineering teacher was not involved in this).

That's simply not sound reasoning...people have already posted images of real case bombs that do share more than just passing visual similarities. As for anything can be a bomb reasoning...actually almost anything can be a bomb, but that's besides the point. The point is, he brought in something that does very much resemble a bomb. In reality people are also in this thread pretending it can't be a bomb based on size/components, and that is also completely false. In fact, it has everything it needs sans explosive material and a detonator cap. Simply hook the buzzer/speak wires to the cap, set the alarm, and it's a fully functional time bomb.

It has nothing to do with anti-intellectualism, and is instead do to zero tolerance policy where even if it's proven something isn't a threat, schools and other institutions take action regardless and there's no room for common sense. To be honest that kind of is a sort of anti-intellectual policy, so in a sense I agree, but not in context you are saying.

Again, it only resembles a bomb if you dont know what a suitcase bomb looks like. Hollywood is not a good source.

The intentions may not have been anti intellectual. But the consequences were.

I do know what a bomb looks like, I am a former Sgt in the 82nd Airborne and was deployed to Afghanistan and seen more than my share of IEDs. In addition, as already posted, there are plenty of examples that were posted that share more than just a passing resemblance with what the boy "built".

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#303 Maroxad
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@Renevent42 said:

I do know what a bomb looks like, I am a former Sgt in the 82nd Airborne and was deployed to Afghanistan and seen more than my share of IEDs. In addition, as already posted, there are plenty of examples that were posted that share more than just a passing resemblance with what the boy "built".

Then, where were the bloody bomb components?

Where were the ignitables? Where were the necessary chambers?

The only similarity I see is technology in a suitcase.

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#305  Edited By Renevent42
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@Maroxad said:
@Renevent42 said:

I do know what a bomb looks like, I am a former Sgt in the 82nd Airborne and was deployed to Afghanistan and seen more than my share of IEDs. In addition, as already posted, there are plenty of examples that were posted that share more than just a passing resemblance with what the boy "built".

Then, where were the bloody bomb components?

Where were the ignitables? Where were the necessary chambers?

The only similarity I see is technology in a suitcase.

You are being obtuse at this point. As already posted (with images), it shares visual similarities in design with other real case bombs. It of course is not a bomb, therefore did not have actual explosives. However, there was nothing stopping it (from a design/visual perspective) from the possibility of being a bomb. The explosives could have been hidden, as I mentioned even something as small as a SHOE or cellphone can have the explosives hidden in places like the sole of the shoe, or laced behind panels.

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#306  Edited By Maroxad
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@Renevent42 said:
@Maroxad said:
@Renevent42 said:

I do know what a bomb looks like, I am a former Sgt in the 82nd Airborne and was deployed to Afghanistan and seen more than my share of IEDs. In addition, as already posted, there are plenty of examples that were posted that share more than just a passing resemblance with what the boy "built".

Then, where were the bloody bomb components?

Where were the ignitables? Where were the necessary chambers?

The only similarity I see is technology in a suitcase.

You are being obtuse at this point.

Your attempt to evade the questions with ad hominem attacks didnt work.

No one in their right mind would believe that is a bomb. The best one could argue for is that it is a bomb component, a detonator to be specific. If the explosives were small and hidden, why the hell would a suitcase have been used, and not something much more concealable?

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@Maroxad said:
@Renevent42 said:

I do know what a bomb looks like, I am a former Sgt in the 82nd Airborne and was deployed to Afghanistan and seen more than my share of IEDs. In addition, as already posted, there are plenty of examples that were posted that share more than just a passing resemblance with what the boy "built".

Then, where were the bloody bomb components?

Where were the ignitables? Where were the necessary chambers?

The only similarity I see is technology in a suitcase.

You spend too much time in the pretend world.

For some reason you think that people are spending too much time because of how it looks on TV but you have no idea about them in real life.

There is plenty of room there in a false bottom or behind the covered part of the top of the case to kill someone.

If it was chemical it could be right behind that ribbon.

You have completely no idea what you're talking about. People who are in the service have told you that and this is where you should listen.

Anyone with a contrary thought on this is wrong, they're outclassed, and have no idea how the real world operates.

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#308  Edited By Master_Live
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Just circular arguments at this point, I will leave with this:

Ahmed told The Dallas Morning News that he showed his clock — a simple device, created from a circuit board and a power supply wired to a digital display, all strapped inside a case with a tiger hologram on the front — to his engineering teacher first, who advised him not to show any other staff members at MacArthur High School.

I think it is obvious why his engineering professor gave him that advice. Some could mistakenly think it might had been a bomb.

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#309 Renevent42
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@Maroxad said:
@Renevent42 said:
@Maroxad said:
@Renevent42 said:

I do know what a bomb looks like, I am a former Sgt in the 82nd Airborne and was deployed to Afghanistan and seen more than my share of IEDs. In addition, as already posted, there are plenty of examples that were posted that share more than just a passing resemblance with what the boy "built".

Then, where were the bloody bomb components?

Where were the ignitables? Where were the necessary chambers?

The only similarity I see is technology in a suitcase.

You are being obtuse at this point.

Your attempt to evade the questions with ad hominem attacks didnt work.

No one in their right mind would believe that is a bomb. The best one could argue for is that it is a bomb component, a detonator to be specific.

I didn't evade the question, I've directly responded (and so have others) how:

a) It does visually resemble existing examples of case bomb (others posted images)

b) Actually does have most of the components needed for it to be a functioning bomb...a good one at that. All it needs is an detonator cap (very small) and some explosives (can be EASILY hidden)...all he would have to do is hook up the buzzer/speaker wires to the cap, and when the alarm goes off, boom.

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Those images did not truly resemble it, the closest being this,

http://www.trunews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Suitcase.jpg

Is not an explosive item. It could be a detonator, but it has several give aways of not being an explosive. Technology in a suit case does not mean explosives, and I say this as someone who works within STEM.

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Just circular arguments at this point, I will leave with this:

Ahmed told The Dallas Morning News that he showed his clock — a simple device, created from a circuit board and a power supply wired to a digital display, all strapped inside a case with a tiger hologram on the front — to his engineering teacher first, who advised him not to show any other staff members at MacArthur High School.

Why do you think his engineering professor gave him that advice?

You are right, everyone is going circular here and this argument will go nowhere.

Well that was a poor move of him. I suppose he got a bit overconfident and did it anyways, still terrible move and I hope he learned from it.

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#311  Edited By Renevent42
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@Maroxad said:

Those images did not truly resemble it, the closest being this,

http://www.trunews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Suitcase.jpg

Is not an explosive item. It could be a detonator, but it has several give aways of not being an explosive. Technology in a suit case does not mean explosives, and I say this as someone who works within STEM.

@Master_Live said:

Just circular arguments at this point, I will leave with this:

Ahmed told The Dallas Morning News that he showed his clock — a simple device, created from a circuit board and a power supply wired to a digital display, all strapped inside a case with a tiger hologram on the front — to his engineering teacher first, who advised him not to show any other staff members at MacArthur High School.

Why do you think his engineering professor gave him that advice?

You are right, everyone is going circular here and this argument will go nowhere.

Well that was a poor move of him. I suppose he got a bit overconfident and did it anyways, still terrible move and I hope he learned from it.

They do, very much so. Regarding explosives, did the shoe bombers shoe look explosive?

Here's the reality, the kid built something that shares more than just a passing resemblance to a case bomb, to the point where it would be reasonable to question it and require further investigation. Even the engineering teacher, who clearly didn't think it was a bomb, obviously realized it looked suspicious and told the boy not to show it to anyone else.

So the school investigating it? Totally appropriate.

Where I will start to criticize the school/police, and really the zero tolerance policy, is once it was ascertained it wasn't a bomb then that should have been the end of it.

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@Renevent42 said:

So the school investigating it? Totally appropriate.

Where I will start to criticize the school/police, and really the zero tolerance policy, is once it was ascertained it wasn't a bomb then that should have been the end of it.

I agree what this.

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@Renevent42 said:

So the school investigating it? Totally appropriate.

Where I will start to criticize the school/police, and really the zero tolerance policy, is once it was ascertained it wasn't a bomb then that should have been the end of it.

I do agree if that if something is suspect of being an explosive. It SHOULD be investigated.

I am just baffled by how everyone but the engineering teacher thought it was one. Then again, when I was a high school student, I went to a private school where teachers were expected to be technologically literate.

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Precautions such as handcuffing a 14 year old and sending him to jail so that he could be interrogated by 5 police officers? hmmmmmmm...

Why is it so hard for you to accept that 'bias' was involved?

Taking precautions over a 'clock in a case' is one thing. And then those precautions are another. Or maybe, the American Police really is that paranoid. I mean, it doesn't even surprise if I get news such as, 'kid arrested for wearing a shirt to an American school'.

The school did not handcuff him. Fact one you have wrong. Suspected bomb is generally going to have questioning done by police. Police rarely work alone. Fact two you have wrong.

Prove bias was involved. You can't just say that because you want to believe. Kids of all races get in trouble in school. Fact three you have wrong.

The kid was arrested. He was detained until facts were established. Fact four you have wrong.

You just keep spreading the hyperbole though.

If we're going the pedantic route, well, let's go that way.

Fact: when you have a 'suspected bomb', you call the bomb disposal squad -to investigate if that's actually a bomb or not- not the police; to dispel the suspicions right there on the school grounds. Instead, the police came. Took the guy to the police station and started asking him, ''Is that a bomb?''. Well, let's suppose that was an actual bomb. And while the police was busy circlejerking on the kid, it exploded. What then?

Damn boy, American cops are stupid as hell.

This whole scenario just screams nonsense over nonsense to me. And anyone who's defending the police or the school's 'precautionary measures' in this matter screams even more 'nonsense' to me.

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Surprised the police did not call the bomb squad.

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@gwynnblade said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@gwynnblade said:

Precautions such as handcuffing a 14 year old and sending him to jail so that he could be interrogated by 5 police officers? hmmmmmmm...

Why is it so hard for you to accept that 'bias' was involved?

Taking precautions over a 'clock in a case' is one thing. And then those precautions are another. Or maybe, the American Police really is that paranoid. I mean, it doesn't even surprise if I get news such as, 'kid arrested for wearing a shirt to an American school'.

The school did not handcuff him. Fact one you have wrong. Suspected bomb is generally going to have questioning done by police. Police rarely work alone. Fact two you have wrong.

Prove bias was involved. You can't just say that because you want to believe. Kids of all races get in trouble in school. Fact three you have wrong.

The kid was arrested. He was detained until facts were established. Fact four you have wrong.

You just keep spreading the hyperbole though.

If we're going the pedantic route, well, let's go that way.

Fact: when you have a 'suspected bomb', you call the bomb disposal squad -to investigate if that's actually a bomb or not- not the police; to dispel the suspicions right there on the school grounds. Instead, the police came. Took the guy to the police station and started asking him, ''Is that a bomb?''. Well, let's suppose that was an actual bomb. And while the police was busy circlejerking on the kid, it exploded. What then?

Damn boy, American cops are stupid as hell.

This whole scenario just screams nonsense over nonsense to me. And anyone who's defending the police or the school's 'precautionary measures' in this matter screams even more 'nonsense' to me.

No.

From the Texas department of Public Safety:

WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IF YOU FIND EXPLOSIVES DO:

• Move personnel to a safe area

• Call 9-1-1 or local law enforcement immediately

DO NOT:

• Disturb the device

• Use two-way radios or cell phones; radio signals have the potential to detonate a live bomb

• Activate the fire alarm

https://www.dps.texas.gov/RSD/TexasMetalsProgram/documents/rsdSafetyAlert.pdf

... that's if we're going the pedantic route.

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@gwynnblade: lol dude, the only nonsense is your post.

They only suspected it to be a part of a bomb, hence why no one was evacuated.

Most time, the police are your swat and EOD officers. Some heavy crime city's seperate the 2 because they are needed so much.

The fact that you can't see the reason to be suspicious just screams stupidity and ignorance....

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@dammitdanbo: @sancho_panzer: That's stupid as hell. I remember when a suspected bomb was found in a bazaar here. The police surrounded the area and the bomb disposal squad came to see if that was a bomb or not. Turns out, it was a bomb. But, America has its unique way. Instead of investigating the bomb right then and there, call the damn police and create ruckus. Well fucking done.

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@gwynnblade said:

@dammitdanbo: @sancho_panzer: That's stupid as hell. I remember when a suspected bomb was found in a bazaar here. The police surrounded the area and the bomb disposal squad came to see if that was a bomb or not. Turns out, it was a bomb. But, America has its unique way. Instead of investigating the bomb right then and there, call the damn police and create ruckus. Well fucking done.

So basically the exact same thing happened and you're whining about it in this case.

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@gwynnblade: Maybe it feels that way, but specialised response teams are a limited resource. Sending SWAT teams and bomb disposal units running to every unattended bag or hoax call would be enormously costly and would spread them even thinner. As evidenced by this thread, most of us haven't the faintest clue what a bomb (or clock) might really look like, so very often if's the role of trained police officers to assess if there's any potential threat.

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@gwynnblade: since you are too stupid to comprehend what's been said many times already.....

They didn't didn't think it was a bomb.........or else they would've evacuated everyone....they knew it was suspiciously similar to a briefcase bomb and is why they called police. They only thought it was a bomb component.

Seriosuly, use your Common sense.

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@Renevent42 said:
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Wow that video seeped of pettiness and malevolence. I automatically assumed that the kid didn't invent a clock; he just reassembled one as clocks in general have little inventiveness left in them - 7-segment display wired properly to a PCB with a power source and either a pre-programmed microcontroller or one programmed with one of the sea of readily-made subroutines floating about the Internet. Yet this grown man decided it's worth it to critique the contraption of a 14-years old. He then veers into other cavils in the comment section, "why the low standards", "14-year old are capable of a lot". Finally, the poop on the top was his promotion of a counter-hashtag, "#theclockisafraud".

This cretin and other conservatives in the U.S who constantly parade their nationalistic fervor and extol the supremacy of their country don't have the slightest idea what made the U.S a superpower and why the presidency and other key establishments are paying that much attention to the matter.

What the hell are you talking about? It was a reasonable video from an Muslim american no less...showing that a lot of the hooplah about the kid is misplaced. Not that I think the kid is dumb or anything, but yes at 14 taking a clock out of one case and putting it in another isn't all that impressive...if he was 8 yeah that would be something but at 14 there's kids doing much cooler things. The other issue is media claims he built the clock, and it looks like that's just not true, and it really does resemble a suit case bomb/device. I def think he should have never been arrested, and that zero tolerance policies are bullshit...but given the circumstances I kinda see why this happened.

You don't know anything about this country or what makes it great. You are blinded by the stupidity of your own surroundings...the Muslim world has the lowest literacy/education in the entire freaking world. As far as fervor and stupid laws, look no further than places that still stone people for apostasy, lock women up for driving, and arrest people for dancing.

Reasonable? The pettiness and malevolence of publicly discrediting the contraption of an unsuspecting 14 years old - whose curiosity put him through an ordeal - are anything but reasonable. That you find it reasonable speaks about the kind of person you are; that he's ostensibly a Muslim detracts not an iota from the malice and bitterness of the video. One way or the other, he wouldn't be the first lackey to disown his people to appease his masters; Ben Carson is slamming BLM and Jindal is claiming to be tanned to appeal to the conservative base. He may also be just an insecure adult who never got the recognition he once believed to deserve and is trying to divest another of that recognition. However you look at it, you don't want to be caught calling the man reasonable or aligning with him.

I don't understand what you, that cretin in the video and the multitude of conservatives in the U.S have against the kid. He didn't claim to have invented time travel; he just reassembled a clock on his own and wanted to impress his engineering teacher with it. Who's saying otherwise? Why are you feeling the compulsive need to tell the world how lackluster the kid and his clock are? Have you no shame? Doesn't any of you fancy himself above such trifles? The media and other key establishments in the country are reacting thus fervently to the incident not because they're awe-stricken by the clock, but because they understand how defamatory an image it paints of the U.S and how pernicious it is to a superpower that emerged through congregating the best and the brightest from around the world. I highly doubt Obama or MIT/Harvard astrophysicists would otherwise lose any sleep over this kid's clock. But you're so mired in your hillbilliness that you can't see beyond the clock that looks like a bomb.

Every time I strip naked an imbecile in the forums, he appeals to the selfsame malarkey that changes nothing of what has been said. If you and your likes want to remain obstinate be my guest; it is you who will accrue the penalty. In doing so, you'll be fulfilling the historical movement. Nations rise and fall, and you'll be the fall of your nation.

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@Aljosa23 said:
@GazaAli said:

Wow that video seeped of pettiness and malevolence. I automatically assumed that the kid didn't invent a clock; he just reassembled one as clocks in general have little inventiveness left in them - 7-segment display wired properly to a PCB with a power source and either a pre-programmed microcontroller or one programmed with one of the sea of readily-made subroutines floating about the Internet. Yet this grown man decided it's worth it to critique the contraption of a 14-years old. He then veers into other cavils in the comment section, "why the low standards", "14-year old are capable of a lot". Finally, the poop on the top was his promotion of a counter-hashtag, "#theclockisafraud".

This cretin and other conservatives in the U.S who constantly parade their nationalistic fervor and extol the supremacy of their country don't have the slightest idea what made the U.S a superpower and why the presidency and other key establishments are paying that much attention to the matter.

American exceptionalism bro. On this forum you have posters who would never admit the US isn't perfect, heck, even in this very thread.

For a while, I grappled with what originally seamed to be nothing but perversity and alienation from life's truisms. Recently, however, I've been paying more attention to the phenomenon and doing some investigative reading and I'm finally coming to grips with the origins and constitution of American exceptionalism. The behavior of some posters in the forums is finally starting to make sense.

On a more humorous note, look at the gem someone spewed in this topic:

Since this wasn't a school assignment one has to question the motivation behind creating this and bringing it to school.

Oh dear lmao

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#324 GazaAli
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@Jacanuk said:
@sancho_panzer said:
@Renevent42 said:

Plot twist!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEmSwJTqpgY&feature=youtu.be

Damn... I hate to say this, but it looks like Obama owes America an apology for inviting hoax terror trolls to the seat of national government. :/

Right, because we all know that this youtube troll is correct and that he knows the truth.

That video is nothing but a sad excuse for a human being trying to be clever on the thought processes of a 14 year old kid.

For once, we agree.

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@GazaAli said:
@Renevent42 said:
@GazaAli said:

Wow that video seeped of pettiness and malevolence. I automatically assumed that the kid didn't invent a clock; he just reassembled one as clocks in general have little inventiveness left in them - 7-segment display wired properly to a PCB with a power source and either a pre-programmed microcontroller or one programmed with one of the sea of readily-made subroutines floating about the Internet. Yet this grown man decided it's worth it to critique the contraption of a 14-years old. He then veers into other cavils in the comment section, "why the low standards", "14-year old are capable of a lot". Finally, the poop on the top was his promotion of a counter-hashtag, "#theclockisafraud".

This cretin and other conservatives in the U.S who constantly parade their nationalistic fervor and extol the supremacy of their country don't have the slightest idea what made the U.S a superpower and why the presidency and other key establishments are paying that much attention to the matter.

What the hell are you talking about? It was a reasonable video from an Muslim american no less...showing that a lot of the hooplah about the kid is misplaced. Not that I think the kid is dumb or anything, but yes at 14 taking a clock out of one case and putting it in another isn't all that impressive...if he was 8 yeah that would be something but at 14 there's kids doing much cooler things. The other issue is media claims he built the clock, and it looks like that's just not true, and it really does resemble a suit case bomb/device. I def think he should have never been arrested, and that zero tolerance policies are bullshit...but given the circumstances I kinda see why this happened.

You don't know anything about this country or what makes it great. You are blinded by the stupidity of your own surroundings...the Muslim world has the lowest literacy/education in the entire freaking world. As far as fervor and stupid laws, look no further than places that still stone people for apostasy, lock women up for driving, and arrest people for dancing.

Reasonable? The pettiness and malevolence of publicly discrediting the contraption of an unsuspecting 14 years old - whose curiosity put him through an ordeal - are anything but reasonable. That you find it reasonable speaks about the kind of person you are; that he's ostensibly a Muslim detracts not an iota from the malice and bitterness of the video. One way or the other, he wouldn't be the first lackey to disown his people to appease his masters; Ben Carson is slamming BLM and Jindal is claiming to be tanned to appeal to the conservative base. He may also be just an insecure adult who never got the recognition he once believed to deserve and is trying to divest another of that recognition. However you look at it, you don't want to be caught calling the man reasonable or aligning with him.

I don't understand what you, that cretin in the video and the multitude of conservatives in the U.S have against the kid. He didn't claim to have invented time travel; he just reassembled a clock on his own and wanted to impress his engineering teacher with it. Who's saying otherwise? Why are you feeling the compulsive need to tell the world how lackluster the kid and his clock are? Have you no shame? Doesn't any of you fancy himself above such trifles? The media and other key establishments in the country are reacting thus fervently to the incident not because they're awe-stricken by the clock, but because they understand how defamatory an image it paints of the U.S and how pernicious it is to a superpower that emerged through congregating the best and the brightest from around the world. I highly doubt Obama or MIT/Harvard astrophysicists would otherwise lose any sleep over this kid's clock. But you're so mired in your hillbilliness that you can't see beyond the clock that looks like a bomb.

Every time I strip naked an imbecile in the forums, he appeals to the selfsame malarkey that changes nothing of what has been said. If you and your likes want to remain obstinate be my guest; it is you who will accrue the penalty. In doing so, you'll be fulfilling the historical movement. Nations rise and fall, and you'll be the fall of your nation.

It was reasonable, and it wasn't so much discrediting the kid but rather the media and the reaction of many others (foaming at the mouth reactionaries such as yourself). The fact he is muslim does show at the very least, he most likely wouldn't be holding anti-muslim biases (unless he hates his own religion, which would be odd).

If you compare the tone and rhetoric between your posts, and what the man in the video said, there is only one person is who acting viscous and spouting rhetoric...YOU. You've gone so far to pretend this incident even speaks to the intellectual downfall of the country at large...that's literally hyperbolic rhetoric of the highest order.

What's actually stripped bare here is your vehement anti-US stance and your poisonous views. The worst part is you really should be looking at your own country and your culture at large. The US does have it's share of problems, but compared to you and your brethren? It's the difference between space gods and cavemen. Cretin? Look in your own backyard if you really want to see cretins.

As far as me being a hillbilly...only in your dreams. I'm an upper middle class technology professional, agnostic, and with a liberal social outlook (although somewhat conservative economy wise). Keep setting up those effigies if it makes you feel better I guess.

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@Renevent42: Not sure why you bother to respond to him. He has a clear bias and as such he isn't going to see this as anything other than an attack.

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@Maroxad said:

Those images did not truly resemble it, the closest being this,

http://www.trunews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Suitcase.jpg

Is not an explosive item. It could be a detonator, but it has several give aways of not being an explosive. Technology in a suit case does not mean explosives, and I say this as someone who works within STEM.

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Just circular arguments at this point, I will leave with this:

Ahmed told The Dallas Morning News that he showed his clock — a simple device, created from a circuit board and a power supply wired to a digital display, all strapped inside a case with a tiger hologram on the front — to his engineering teacher first, who advised him not to show any other staff members at MacArthur High School.

Why do you think his engineering professor gave him that advice?

You are right, everyone is going circular here and this argument will go nowhere.

Well that was a poor move of him. I suppose he got a bit overconfident and did it anyways, still terrible move and I hope he learned from it.

The alarm went off in the clock, to which his English teacher asked to see it. He didn't present it to the English teacher beforehand at his own discretion, Ahmed had to bring it forward because the teacher demanded to see it. What was he supposed to do? "Sorry, I can't show this to you"?

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Well it seems that Microsoft is taking this case seriously by offering the the teen a full of goodies my MS. That was really nice of them. [Too nicely if you ask me]

Microsoft Seriously Hooked up Ahmed Mohamed After That Clock BS

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His next project is a totally green earth friendly clock that runs on fertilizer and is in the shape of a rented u-haul box van.

He's so proud of it he is showing it off by double parking it in front of the federal building downtown.

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@GazaAli said:

For a while, I grappled with what originally seamed to be nothing but perversity and alienation from life's truisms. Recently, however, I've been paying more attention to the phenomenon and doing some investigative reading and I'm finally coming to grips with the origins and constitution of American exceptionalism. The behavior of some posters in the forums is finally starting to make sense.

What did you find?

@sancho_panzer said:

@gwynnblade: Maybe it feels that way, but specialised response teams are a limited resource. Sending SWAT teams and bomb disposal units running to every unattended bag or hoax call would be enormously costly and would spread them even thinner. As evidenced by this thread, most of us haven't the faintest clue what a bomb (or clock) might really look like, so very often if's the role of trained police officers to assess if there's any potential threat.

Then the least US can do, is to train the police in discerning an actual bomb from a fake one. Instead of throwing dirt over people's self-respect, they could very well do that. In fact, I still cannot come to terms with the fact that why the teacher even felt the need to call the police.

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Meanwhile, Richard Dawkins claims Ahmed as a "fraud".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/richard-dawkins-accuses-ahmed-mohamed-of-committing-fraud_55fed260e4b08820d918fe9b?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592#comments

Yes, I am pretty sure the kid went out of his way to create a "grand plan: so he could ultimately be invited to visit facebook, the White House, MIT. Funny, he goes around ridiculing religious people for their intellect and he is the who likes like an idiot here. I expect this type of comment from crazy right wingers with their stupid theories that he made this all up to gain publicity. Also, I find his comment that he didn't "invent" anything. No duh, he didn't invent anything. But in the mind of a 14 year old he could easily say I invented x, y, z or I invented a way to do x, y and z doesn't mean he actually invented it.

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@Jaysonguy said:
@Solaryellow said:
@Jaysonguy said:
@Solaryellow said:
@Jaysonguy said:

He built a clock that looks like a suitcase bomb and wonders why he got in trouble

He's as stupid as a pile of rocks.

No no no! The stupid people (from what I gather here) were the people who saw something out of sorts and alerted the authorities.

Clock or not, this kid doesn't seem as smart and bright as some suggest. Leave it up to Obama never to let an opportunity slide by.

Oh everyone is cashing in on a news cycle from him.

"Come on moron kid, we'll even help you with the push/pull mechanism of our doors!"

Facebook, Obama, NASA, they're all getting in on it.

The funny thing is that Obama invited him but you show up within 100 yards of the White House with what he made he'd be shot on sight. But hey liberals and weaklings love this shit and eat it up so there's your news cycle.

Facebook is to be expected. It's run by a Liberal so it doesn't come as a shock. Obama might be a liberal but I expect more from our President(s).

Sure, walk in the vicinity of the white house with such a "clock" would have you eating asphalt and picking teeth out of your mouth so your lawyer could understand you when you call. What bothers me is how the media and the like are makign this kid out to be smart and bright and the next Einstein yet he doesn't understand how people could be concerned over seeing his toy. Christ almighty, we are screwed as a society. The libs support this kid yet I never hear the same when little Tommy forms his pop tart into a "gun" and gets suspended or brings a G.I. Joe figure to school with it's plastic weapons.

I don't remember everyone rushing to the aid of this child.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/04/us/ohio-boy-suspended-finger-gun/index.html

Where's his White House visit? Why doesn't he have an invitation to Facebook?

He was able to convey the idea of a gun just from a hand gesture. This is a genius!

Ehh

Problem with your argument as this has to more to do with a child's curiosity in the field of Sciences and Engineer. That's what Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook mentioned in this facebook post along with President Obama's tweet that stated : "We should inspire more kids like you to like science." A kid convey a gun with hand gesture hardly qualifies as Science.

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#333 Xtasy26
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@drunk_pi said:
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So some guy named CJ Pearson "rips" into Obama over him inviting that kid with the clock. I don't think he understands why the president is inviting the kid in the first place. It's not really about the clock but the fact that he was discriminated against by school officials because they thought it was a bomb and mishandled the situation entirely. Also, not being able to carry weapons on a recruiting station isn't Obama's orders, it's from the DoD... from the 1990s. There's so much wrong here, it's just a rehash of conservative stupidity.

If anything his whole argument sounds more pro gun control with everyone being gunned down (and I'm pro 2nd Amendment).

Well, he didn't invite all the members of that Black Church that were killed by Dylan Roof (a white supremacists) to the White House nor the family members of the Shikh Temple shooting that was shot up by another White Supremacists. I can't expect him to invite people who go through all tragedies to the White House. That doesn't mean that he is in-different to them. This guys video has more to do with politics. If President Obama does this or that he will be criticized for it. It's like those stupid birthers who said that his "birth certificate" is fake even though it's not. Unfortunately, that's what Politics has turned into these days.

The kids invitation has more to do with as he posted in his tweet to have "more kids like you to like science" which lets face it is something that we need more in America. Our Universities are filled with students who are from different countries who are doing their Masters, PHD in Engineering and other the Sciences (not that there is nothing wrong with that). We need more kids like Ahmed who has intellectual curiosity in STEM fields so America can be more competitive with other countries in such fields.

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@Renevent42 said:
@GazaAli said:

Reasonable? The pettiness and malevolence of publicly discrediting the contraption of an unsuspecting 14 years old - whose curiosity put him through an ordeal - are anything but reasonable. That you find it reasonable speaks about the kind of person you are; that he's ostensibly a Muslim detracts not an iota from the malice and bitterness of the video. One way or the other, he wouldn't be the first lackey to disown his people to appease his masters; Ben Carson is slamming BLM and Jindal is claiming to be tanned to appeal to the conservative base. He may also be just an insecure adult who never got the recognition he once believed to deserve and is trying to divest another of that recognition. However you look at it, you don't want to be caught calling the man reasonable or aligning with him.

I don't understand what you, that cretin in the video and the multitude of conservatives in the U.S have against the kid. He didn't claim to have invented time travel; he just reassembled a clock on his own and wanted to impress his engineering teacher with it. Who's saying otherwise? Why are you feeling the compulsive need to tell the world how lackluster the kid and his clock are? Have you no shame? Doesn't any of you fancy himself above such trifles? The media and other key establishments in the country are reacting thus fervently to the incident not because they're awe-stricken by the clock, but because they understand how defamatory an image it paints of the U.S and how pernicious it is to a superpower that emerged through congregating the best and the brightest from around the world. I highly doubt Obama or MIT/Harvard astrophysicists would otherwise lose any sleep over this kid's clock. But you're so mired in your hillbilliness that you can't see beyond the clock that looks like a bomb.

Every time I strip naked an imbecile in the forums, he appeals to the selfsame malarkey that changes nothing of what has been said. If you and your likes want to remain obstinate be my guest; it is you who will accrue the penalty. In doing so, you'll be fulfilling the historical movement. Nations rise and fall, and you'll be the fall of your nation.

It was reasonable, and it wasn't so much discrediting the kid but rather the media and the reaction of many others (foaming at the mouth reactionaries such as yourself). The fact he is muslim does show at the very least, he most likely wouldn't be holding anti-muslim biases (unless he hates his own religion, which would be odd).

If you compare the tone and rhetoric between your posts, and what the man in the video said, there is only one person is who acting viscous and spouting rhetoric...YOU. You've gone so far to pretend this incident even speaks to the intellectual downfall of the country at large...that's literally hyperbolic rhetoric of the highest order.

What's actually stripped bare here is your vehement anti-US stance and your poisonous views. The worst part is you really should be looking at your own country and your culture at large. The US does have it's share of problems, but compared to you and your brethren? It's the difference between space gods and cavemen. Cretin? Look in your own backyard if you really want to see cretins.

As far as me being a hillbilly...only in your dreams. I'm an upper middle class technology professional, agnostic, and with a liberal social outlook (although somewhat conservative economy wise). Keep setting up those effigies if it makes you feel better I guess.

Since he spent the better part of the video flexing his technological acumen and masterfully critiquing the kid's clock, I'd say it was chiefly concerned with discrediting the contraption. And I think you mistook me for yourself with that foaming at the mouth reactionary bit as our stances on this matter illustrate. Also to reiterate, him being a Muslim doesn't necessarily pertain to this incident. In fact, as I illustrated already, it may be buttressing your disposition.

Please by all means, show me the viciousness and the rhetoric in my post. Is it the fact that I'm siding with a innocent 14 years old who got handcuffed and interrogated by 5 thugs for attempting to impress his teachers that's vicious? Or may be it's the fact that I rationally explained to you why the country's key establishments are reacting thus fervently to the incident that's rhetorical. Or are we playing that game where you get to make baseless allegations while pretending there's a profusion of self-evident proofs to back them up?

You'd have to be mentally deficient to call my stance in this topic anti-American or my views poisonous. It reaffirms my previous point that your likes will be the downfall of the U.S. Also, the fact that you keep bringing that irrelevant, and pathologically delusional, comparison accentuates the intellectual bankruptcy you already exhibited in this topic. You have cretins in your backyard as do I. The only difference between us is that I have no problem calling them cretins instead of denying their existence and aligning with them.

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@gwynnblade: "Then the least US can do, is to train the police in discerning an actual bomb from a fake one"

Yet you struggle to see the resemblance to a briefcase bomb and see why they would be concerned and see reason in questioning him.

Again, it only takes common sense to see that they didn't think it was a bomb, but possibly a bomb component.

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@dammitdanbo: Then their reactions don't make sense.

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@gwynnblade: elaborate?

All I'm seeing is media blowing it way out of proportion.

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@GazaAli said:
@Renevent42 said:
@GazaAli said:

Reasonable? The pettiness and malevolence of publicly discrediting the contraption of an unsuspecting 14 years old - whose curiosity put him through an ordeal - are anything but reasonable. That you find it reasonable speaks about the kind of person you are; that he's ostensibly a Muslim detracts not an iota from the malice and bitterness of the video. One way or the other, he wouldn't be the first lackey to disown his people to appease his masters; Ben Carson is slamming BLM and Jindal is claiming to be tanned to appeal to the conservative base. He may also be just an insecure adult who never got the recognition he once believed to deserve and is trying to divest another of that recognition. However you look at it, you don't want to be caught calling the man reasonable or aligning with him.

I don't understand what you, that cretin in the video and the multitude of conservatives in the U.S have against the kid. He didn't claim to have invented time travel; he just reassembled a clock on his own and wanted to impress his engineering teacher with it. Who's saying otherwise? Why are you feeling the compulsive need to tell the world how lackluster the kid and his clock are? Have you no shame? Doesn't any of you fancy himself above such trifles? The media and other key establishments in the country are reacting thus fervently to the incident not because they're awe-stricken by the clock, but because they understand how defamatory an image it paints of the U.S and how pernicious it is to a superpower that emerged through congregating the best and the brightest from around the world. I highly doubt Obama or MIT/Harvard astrophysicists would otherwise lose any sleep over this kid's clock. But you're so mired in your hillbilliness that you can't see beyond the clock that looks like a bomb.

Every time I strip naked an imbecile in the forums, he appeals to the selfsame malarkey that changes nothing of what has been said. If you and your likes want to remain obstinate be my guest; it is you who will accrue the penalty. In doing so, you'll be fulfilling the historical movement. Nations rise and fall, and you'll be the fall of your nation.

It was reasonable, and it wasn't so much discrediting the kid but rather the media and the reaction of many others (foaming at the mouth reactionaries such as yourself). The fact he is muslim does show at the very least, he most likely wouldn't be holding anti-muslim biases (unless he hates his own religion, which would be odd).

If you compare the tone and rhetoric between your posts, and what the man in the video said, there is only one person is who acting viscous and spouting rhetoric...YOU. You've gone so far to pretend this incident even speaks to the intellectual downfall of the country at large...that's literally hyperbolic rhetoric of the highest order.

What's actually stripped bare here is your vehement anti-US stance and your poisonous views. The worst part is you really should be looking at your own country and your culture at large. The US does have it's share of problems, but compared to you and your brethren? It's the difference between space gods and cavemen. Cretin? Look in your own backyard if you really want to see cretins.

As far as me being a hillbilly...only in your dreams. I'm an upper middle class technology professional, agnostic, and with a liberal social outlook (although somewhat conservative economy wise). Keep setting up those effigies if it makes you feel better I guess.

Since he spent the better part of the video flexing his technological acumen and masterfully critiquing the kid's clock, I'd say it was chiefly concerned with discrediting the contraption. And I think you mistook me for yourself with that foaming at the mouth reactionary bit as our stances on this matter illustrate. Also to reiterate, him being a Muslim doesn't necessarily pertain to this incident. In fact, as I illustrated already, it may be buttressing your disposition.

Please by all means, show me the viciousness and the rhetoric in my post. Is it the fact that I'm siding with a innocent 14 years old who got handcuffed and interrogated by 5 thugs for attempting to impress his teachers that's vicious? Or may be it's the fact that I rationally explained to you why the country's key establishments are reacting thus fervently to the incident that's rhetorical. Or are we playing that game where you get to make baseless allegations while pretending there's a profusion of self-evident proofs to back them up?

You'd have to be mentally deficient to call my stance in this topic anti-American or my views poisonous. It reaffirms my previous point that your likes will be the downfall of the U.S. Also, the fact that you keep bringing that irrelevant, and pathologically delusional, comparison accentuates the intellectual bankruptcy you already exhibited in this topic. You have cretins in your backyard as do I. The only difference between us is that I have no problem calling them cretins instead of denying their existence and aligning with them.

Yes, the device was in question, but it was in order to establish the presenting of it as an "invention" was not accurate. Keep up, will ya?

Regarding your viciousness and rhetoric, I already gave you explicit examples, are you able to read? There's nothing baseless about my accusations, you are a rabid and poisonous person who spends almost the entirety of your posting bashing the US.

My likes will not be the downfall of this country. I am and people like me are what keeps this country strong. I am highly successful in a technical field, I pay tons of taxes, own multiple properties (which also helps school tax base for the county), I do lots of charity including Habitat for Humanity and teaching beginners programming at local elementary schools, and I do not commit crimes. My kids are both exceptional students and also do charity. I'm also a veteran so I've contributed to service to my country, and have seen your backyard first hand (which is a shit hole).

People like me being the downfall of my country? Only in your twisted and poisonous imagination.

My contributions to my country, and the world at large, make yours look like the petty and hateful existence it really is. You have nothing you can hurt me with, I'm your anathema, and the petty attempts to denigrate me are nothing more than wishful thinking and inane caricatures made up in that twisted head of yours.

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@Maroxad said:
@Renevent42 said:

So the school investigating it? Totally appropriate.

Where I will start to criticize the school/police, and really the zero tolerance policy, is once it was ascertained it wasn't a bomb then that should have been the end of it.

I do agree if that if something is suspect of being an explosive. It SHOULD be investigated.

I am just baffled by how everyone but the engineering teacher thought it was one. Then again, when I was a high school student, I went to a private school where teachers were expected to be technologically literate.

The teachers in your high school took college courses dealing with explosives, components and how to differentiate between something that is harmful and is not? Is that what you are trying to tell us?

One last question: Did the high school you attend have similar situations (like the one in Texas) occur?

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@Solaryellow said:

The teachers in your high school took college courses dealing with explosives, components and how to differentiate between something that is harmful and is not? Is that what you are trying to tell us?

One last question: Did the high school you attend have similar situations (like the one in Texas) occur?

No they didnt, and taking courses in explosives is unnecessary, to be able to tell that this was not an explosive. All it takes is technological literacy to see how that couldnt be an explosive. Something just wouldnt add up, when looking inside the suitcase.

No, my private schools had no issues with bombing. Drugs, yes, but not bombing, and even then, they were not so draconian and paranoid.

@StrifeDelivery said:

The alarm went off in the clock, to which his English teacher asked to see it. He didn't present it to the English teacher beforehand at his own discretion, Ahmed had to bring it forward because the teacher demanded to see it. What was he supposed to do? "Sorry, I can't show this to you"?

I see. Well, that was unfortunate.

Though, if he knew he alarm clock was in there though, he should have left it at the engineering teacher, until he could come pick it up again. Lesson learnt I hope.

And what?!? The alarm clock went off and the teacher thought it was a bomb? Seriously?!?

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@Maroxad said:
@Solaryellow said:

The teachers in your high school took college courses dealing with explosives, components and how to differentiate between something that is harmful and is not? Is that what you are trying to tell us?

One last question: Did the high school you attend have similar situations (like the one in Texas) occur?

No they didnt, and taking courses in explosives is unnecessary, to be able to tell that this was not an explosive. All it takes is technological literacy to see how that couldnt be an explosive. Something just wouldnt add up, when looking inside the suitcase.

No, my private schools had no issues with bombing. Drugs, yes, but not bombing, and even then, they were not so draconian and paranoid.

Techno literacy doesn't give you the ability to quickly determine whether a device is a bomb or not with a glance. I don't even think EOD with years of experience can.

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#343 DammitDanbo
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@Maroxad: technological literacy would tell you how easily this "creation" can be turned into a bomb. Again for the 50th time, they obviously didnt think it was a bomb or they would've evacuated everyone....

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#344 Stesilaus
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What's really interesting is that when a White kid integrated a loaded pistol with a drone---also for a school project!---nobody got arrested ...

A Teen Made A Drone That Fires A Handgun -- And Police Say It's Legal

"At this point, we can't find anything that's been violated."

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#345  Edited By Renevent42
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@Stesilaus said:

What's really interesting is that when a White kid integrated a loaded pistol with a drone---also for a school project!---nobody got arrested ...

A Teen Made A Drone That Fires A Handgun -- And Police Say It's Legal

"At this point, we can't find anything that's been violated."

Did he bring it to school? I've already expressed that I disagree with the boy being arrested, but these stories aren't the same.

I'll help you though, the following story is similar to the situation at hand:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/03/16/virginia-school-suspends-an-11-year-old-for-one-year-over-a-leaf-that-wasnt-marijuana/

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#346 Solaryellow
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@Maroxad said:
@Solaryellow said:

The teachers in your high school took college courses dealing with explosives, components and how to differentiate between something that is harmful and is not? Is that what you are trying to tell us?

One last question: Did the high school you attend have similar situations (like the one in Texas) occur?

No they didnt, and taking courses in explosives is unnecessary, to be able to tell that this was not an explosive. All it takes is technological literacy to see how that couldnt be an explosive. Something just wouldnt add up, when looking inside the suitcase.

No, my private schools had no issues with bombing. Drugs, yes, but not bombing, and even then, they were not so draconian and paranoid.

In order for someone to be able to accurately identify what this object was and was not or as you put it, to be able to tell this wasn't an explosive, one would need some type of training or education or experience allowing such a determination to be made. Saying most people have zero experience with explosives and/or devices would not be a stretch and if you lack suck experience and knowledge, you won't be able to do something correctly. In conclusion, believing the average technological literate person could tell that item was neither a bomb nor component is flawed logic.

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#347 comp_atkins
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i'm confused here. are people mad at the kid or are they mad at people like obama/fb etc. trying to take advantage to the situation and gain some pr?

if it's the latter why go out of your way to attack a 14 year old?

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#348  Edited By Maroxad
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@dammitdanbo said:

@Maroxad: technological literacy would tell you how easily this "creation" can be turned into a bomb. Again for the 50th time, they obviously didnt think it was a bomb or they would've evacuated everyone....

It could be turned into a bomb, that I agree with.

BUT, perhaps then it would have been best to ask the experts first, such as the engineering teachers before calling the police.

@Solaryellow said:
@Maroxad said:
@Solaryellow said:

The teachers in your high school took college courses dealing with explosives, components and how to differentiate between something that is harmful and is not? Is that what you are trying to tell us?

One last question: Did the high school you attend have similar situations (like the one in Texas) occur?

No they didnt, and taking courses in explosives is unnecessary, to be able to tell that this was not an explosive. All it takes is technological literacy to see how that couldnt be an explosive. Something just wouldnt add up, when looking inside the suitcase.

No, my private schools had no issues with bombing. Drugs, yes, but not bombing, and even then, they were not so draconian and paranoid.

In order for someone to be able to accurately identify what this object was and was not or as you put it, to be able to tell this wasn't an explosive, one would need some type of training or education or experience allowing such a determination to be made. Saying most people have zero experience with explosives and/or devices would not be a stretch and if you lack suck experience and knowledge, you won't be able to do something correctly. In conclusion, believing the average technological literate person could tell that item was neither a bomb nor component is flawed logic.

Expertise should would be great, but in this case, there were too many give-aways,

  • Too many cords for a bomb.
  • Lack of combustible material
  • An LED clock on the outside
  • Alarm
  • The circuitry in general
  • Far too elaborate on its electronics
  • The size, crude explosives hidden in that thing would be lucky to even be able to damage a brick wall.

These guys explained it even better.

https://www.reddit.com/r/arduino/comments/3ldz7t/people_are_posting_this_on_social_media_saying/

If it was a bomb, it would have been a terrible bomb, far too expensive for far too little damage done.

Like danbo said. If it was related to explosives, it would have been a component or a detonator.

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#349 Catalli  Moderator
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What I want to know is, if they all truly believed it was a bomb, why wasn't the school evacuated?

To me it just screams prejudice. A religion with 1.2 billion followers has extremists in the middle-east and their reaction to a 14 year old kid who happens to be among those 1.2 billion followers bringing in a clock to school is to have him arrested? Whether the thing looked like a bomb matters little because a) they never evacuated the school, which raises the question to if anybody really believed it to be a bomb, and b) if a white kid brought in a nerf gun, the reaction would likely not be the same one, despite white people being the great majority of school-shooters.

Say what you will, I think the reason the kid was arrested had more to do with his name being Ahmed than with the device he brought to school.

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#350 GazaAli
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@comp_atkins said:

i'm confused here. are people mad at the kid or are they mad at people like obama/fb etc. trying to take advantage to the situation and gain some pr?

if it's the latter why go out of your way to attack a 14 year old?

#thebombisafraud

Pathetic lowlifes, releasing their wrath on a 14 years old. I bet that dumbfuck in the video felt so intelligent critiquing the mighty contraption.