"The bill would allow Texans who have concealed-handgun permits to carry the weapons into college and university buildings, classrooms and dormitories."
Yeah, that's completely necessary for self-defense. :roll:
Huh. Guns, tons of alcohol, college aged kids getting their first taste of real freedom...what could possibly go wrong?nocoolnamejim
it's well-known that everyone ages 21 and up are completely responsible. They would never get drunk, carry their guns around, and especially wouldn't let any underage drunk kids see the gun Because that would be irresponsible.
No, the excessive gun proliferation won't be any problem, video games are the problem, they make our children go on shooting sprees, they must be banned!
No, the excessive gun proliferation won't be any problem, video games are the problem, they make our children go on shooting sprees, they must be banned!
ZuluEcho14
dont forget rock n roll. Video games and Rock n roll were created by satan!
[QUOTE="jointed"]That's utterly ridiculous, but hey I fortunately don't live there or attend that college.bladeeagle
How so? Considering you have to take a course to get a permit. And who knows, this may avert another Virginia tech incident.
Cops show up on campus reporting to a school shooting, they will fire at and kill ANYBODY with a gun, that means anybody that has a gun for protection is in as much or more danger than everybody else.
[QUOTE="jointed"]That's utterly ridiculous, but hey I fortunately don't live there or attend that college.jointed
How so? Considering you have to take a course to get a permit. And who knows, this may avert another Virginia tech incident.
Weapons don't belong at an academic institute of education and I doubt this is going to prevent anything. :lol: I currently attend a college (in VA of all places) that has student run gun locker much more lenient than the one Texas just passed...it is honestly not that big of a deal...
[QUOTE="jointed"]That's utterly ridiculous, but hey I fortunately don't live there or attend that college.Im_single
How so? Considering you have to take a course to get a permit. And who knows, this may avert another Virginia tech incident.
Cops show up on campus reporting to a school shooting, they will fire at and kill ANYBODY with a gun, that means anybody that has a gun for protection is in as much or more danger than everybody else.
They won't just open fire, they are supposed to apprehend, not kill.
How so? Considering you have to take a course to get a permit. And who knows, this may avert another Virginia tech incident.
fat_rob
Weapons don't belong at an academic institute of education and I doubt this is going to prevent anything. :lol: I currently attend a college (in VA of all places) that has student run gun locker much more lenient than the one Texas just passed...it is honestly not that big of a deal... Not that big of a deal? It kind of is, people aren't supposed to be carrying lethal weapons around on campus. I fail to see why it's even necessary, sure school shootings are a remote possibility, but hey if we use that logic, let's give kindergarten kids guns so that they can protect themselves against pedophiles.
Countdown to school shooting, starting.....NOW!Big_Bad_Sad
If some deranged kid wants to bring a gun on campus to shoot people up he can do so with or without this ruling. However if professors/teachers or school staff are allowed to carry a firearm they could actually make a stand against the psychopath.
[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jointed"] Weapons don't belong at an academic institute of education and I doubt this is going to prevent anything.jointed
:lol: I currently attend a college (in VA of all places) that has student run gun locker much more lenient than the one Texas just passed...it is honestly not that big of a deal... Not that big of a deal? It kind of is, people aren't supposed to be carrying lethal weapons around on campus. I fail to see why it's even necessary, sure school shootings are a remote possibility, but hey if we use that logic, let's give kindergarten kids guns so that they can protect themselves against pedophiles.Horrible analogy, Kindergarten kids are not of legal age to own a hand gun. Some schools in Utah already allow this and there have been no shootings at those schools. My school has had no incidents. It's not a big deal because most people who bother to go through the trouble of getting a permit to carry a concealed weapon are not going to go on a shooting rampage or do something stupid because of all the paper work attached to their name. And no policy will prevent some lunatic from doing what he or she wants. It's a non-issue really. So people are carrying weapons, so what? At least now you KNOW that someone in your class is likely strapped...
It's not a big deal because most people who bother to go through the trouble of getting a permit to carry a concealed weapon are not going to go on a shooting rampage or do something stupid because of all the paper work attached to their name.fat_rob
Ah yes, disaster was averted at my school when a rampaging student assaulted the school with a stick, he would've gotten a gun but he was sick of dealing with all the paperwork.
[QUOTE="fat_rob"]It's not a big deal because most people who bother to go through the trouble of getting a permit to carry a concealed weapon are not going to go on a shooting rampage or do something stupid because of all the paper work attached to their name.Sajo7
Ah yes, disaster was averted at my school when a rampaging student assaulted the school with a stick, he would've gotten a gun but he was sick of dealing with all the paperwork.Getting a gun is different from getting a concealed weapons permit. Why would someone go through the trouble of getting a cwp when they just wanted to rampage on a school? A cwp would make no difference in that instance for that person...it's an unnecessary step. A person that bothers to fill out all the paper work for a cwp is less likely to have rampaging as a motive for having a gun. It ridiculous to think that someone who is going to commit a murder would bother or even care about going through the legal channels. And since this law only impacts people with cwp, discussion of lunatics is irrelevant.
I remember a comedian saying: When there's a school shooting in America the reaction is "well if the other kids had guns too then this wouldn't have happened" someone took it literally. Brainkiller05
Wow this gave me an incredible image. The school would become the wild west when a shooting starts. People are going to be shooting the shooter than other people are going to think that the good shooter is really bad and shoot him.
[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]I remember a comedian saying: When there's a school shooting in America the reaction is "well if the other kids had guns too then this wouldn't have happened" someone took it literally. Pvt_r3d
Wow this gave me an incredible image. The school would become the wild west when a shooting starts. People are going to be shooting the shooter than other people are going to think that the good shooter is really bad and shoot him. i call rpg! :P
I attend UT and can say this is a big deal here. A month or so ago over 200 students wlked out of class and marched down Congress St. to the capital to protest this. I personally am glad to see it passed because I feel a lot safer knowing I can carry my gun to school just in case someone decides to flip and go on a killing spree. Long ago UT had the tower sniper and just last year a student was caught carrying a gun on campus who was somewhat unstable. This is great news for me.
Getting a gun is different from getting a concealed weapons permit. Why would someone go through the trouble of getting a cwp when they just wanted to rampage on a school? A cwp would make no difference in that instance for that person...it's an unnecessary step. A person that bothers to fill out all the paper work for a cwp is less likely to have rampaging as a motive for having a gun. It ridiculous to think that someone who is going to commit a murder would bother or even care about going through the legal channels. And since this law only impacts people with cwp, discussion of lunatics is irrelevant. fat_rob
Not everyone can illegally get their hands on a gun. Theres gun every where in the city I live in but I wouldnt have a clue where to start to get one.
[QUOTE="fat_rob"] :lol: I currently attend a college (in VA of all places) that has student run gun locker much more lenient than the one Texas just passed...it is honestly not that big of a deal...fat_rob
Not that big of a deal? It kind of is, people aren't supposed to be carrying lethal weapons around on campus. I fail to see why it's even necessary, sure school shootings are a remote possibility, but hey if we use that logic, let's give kindergarten kids guns so that they can protect themselves against pedophiles.Horrible analogy, Kindergarten kids are not of legal age to own a hand gun. Some schools in Utah already allow this and there have been no shootings at those schools. My school has had no incidents. It's not a big deal because most people who bother to go through the trouble of getting a permit to carry a concealed weapon are not going to go on a shooting rampage or do something stupid because of all the paper work attached to their name. And no policy will prevent some lunatic from doing what he or she wants. It's a non-issue really. So people are carrying weapons, so what? At least now you KNOW that someone in your class is likely strapped... It's an analogy, not a comparison and therefore its the idea of allowing people to carry concealed weapons in order to protect themselves against something which most likely will not happen and therefore making the act of carrying guns around more risky than the actual concept of a school shooting....that matters. And if everyone is "strapped" it will just escalate the whole thing. Do you really believe that someone just spontaneously decides to go on a rampage? These guys usually plan the whole thing for months...paperwork is the least of their problems and if they know that there are possible threats present when they get to the school, they'll probably just carry larger guns and more protection.
Wow. Lots of ignorance in this thread. Laws are in place to protect law abiding citizens. Criminals ignore laws and behave in an illegal manner. Why should the good be punished and victimized?
[QUOTE="fat_rob"]Getting a gun is different from getting a concealed weapons permit. Why would someone go through the trouble of getting a cwp when they just wanted to rampage on a school? A cwp would make no difference in that instance for that person...it's an unnecessary step. A person that bothers to fill out all the paper work for a cwp is less likely to have rampaging as a motive for having a gun. It ridiculous to think that someone who is going to commit a murder would bother or even care about going through the legal channels. And since this law only impacts people with cwp, discussion of lunatics is irrelevant. Big_Bad_Sad
Not everyone can illegally get their hands on a gun. Theres gun every where in the city I live in but I wouldnt have a clue where to start to get one.Just because you legally get a gun doesn't mean you have the right to carry a concealed weapon...you need to get a permit in order to carry a concealed weapon...
I attend UT and can say this is a big deal here. A month or so ago over 200 students wlked out of class and marched down Congress St. to the capital to protest this. I personally am glad to see it passed because I feel a lot safer knowing I can carry my gun to school just in case someone decides to flip and go on a killing spree. Long ago UT had the tower sniper and just last year a student was caught carrying a gun on campus who was somewhat unstable. This is great news for me.
cmpepper23
Or someone thinks you're the shooter and shoots you Or it's a drunk kid who thinks it'd be funny to pull a gun out Or the kid took acid and is just acting crazy Or a heated fight escalates and the tension reaches the point where guns are drawn Or someone doesn't put there safety on Or....
Or someone thinks you're the shooter and shoots you Or it's a drunk kid who thinks it'd be funny to pull a gun out Or the kid took acid and is just acting crazy Or a heated fight escalates and the tension reaches the point where guns are drawn Or someone doesn't put there safety on Or....Sajo7
Are you talking about police officers? The same could be applied. Do you think cops shouldn't have guns?
[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jointed"] Not that big of a deal? It kind of is, people aren't supposed to be carrying lethal weapons around on campus. I fail to see why it's even necessary, sure school shootings are a remote possibility, but hey if we use that logic, let's give kindergarten kids guns so that they can protect themselves against pedophiles.
jointed
Horrible analogy, Kindergarten kids are not of legal age to own a hand gun. Some schools in Utah already allow this and there have been no shootings at those schools. My school has had no incidents. It's not a big deal because most people who bother to go through the trouble of getting a permit to carry a concealed weapon are not going to go on a shooting rampage or do something stupid because of all the paper work attached to their name. And no policy will prevent some lunatic from doing what he or she wants. It's a non-issue really. So people are carrying weapons, so what? At least now you KNOW that someone in your class is likely strapped... It's an analogy, not a comparison and therefore its the idea of allowing people to carry concealed weapons in order to protect themselves against something which most likely will not happen and therefore making the act of carrying guns around more risky than the actual concept of a school shooting....that matters. And if everyone is "strapped" it will just escalate the whole thing. Do you really believe that someone just spontaneously decides to go on a rampage? These guys usually plan the whole thing for months...paperwork is the least of their problems and if they know that there are possible threats present when they get to the school, they'll probably just carry larger guns and more protection.It's a horrible analogy. This law concerns adults who legally are permitted to carry concealed weapons. No laws are broken here and no one is "giving" them guns in order to protect themselves. Your kindergarten analogy holds no weight because it contains none of those characteristics. I am saying that this law has no effect on any potential school shootings since it only effects people who bother to abide by the law and get a concealed weapons permit. A lunatic going on a shooting rampage is likely not going to be a person with a cwp, therefore discussions of school shootings is completely irrelevant.
[QUOTE="Sajo7"]Or someone thinks you're the shooter and shoots you Or it's a drunk kid who thinks it'd be funny to pull a gun out Or the kid took acid and is just acting crazy Or a heated fight escalates and the tension reaches the point where guns are drawn Or someone doesn't put there safety on Or....luamhtrad
Are you talking about police officers? The same could be applied. Do you think cops shouldn't have guns?
Don't strawman my argument. Enforcing the law is way different from a venue were alcohol and drugs are used regularly and in high quantities.
[QUOTE="Sajo7"]Or someone thinks you're the shooter and shoots you Or it's a drunk kid who thinks it'd be funny to pull a gun out Or the kid took acid and is just acting crazy Or a heated fight escalates and the tension reaches the point where guns are drawn Or someone doesn't put there safety on Or....Sajo7
Are you talking about police officers? The same could be applied. Do you think cops shouldn't have guns?
Don't strawman my argument. Enforcing the law is way different from a venue were alcohol and drugs are used regularly and in high quantities. strawman??
I attend UT and can say this is a big deal here. A month or so ago over 200 students wlked out of class and marched down Congress St. to the capital to protest this. I personally am glad to see it passed because I feel a lot safer knowing I can carry my gun to school just in case someone decides to flip and go on a killing spree. Long ago UT had the tower sniper and just last year a student was caught carrying a gun on campus who was somewhat unstable. This is great news for me.
Sajo7
Or someone thinks you're the shooter and shoots you Or it's a drunk kid who thinks it'd be funny to pull a gun out Or the kid took acid and is just acting crazy Or a heated fight escalates and the tension reaches the point where guns are drawn Or someone doesn't put there safety on Or....and all these are possible without the passage of this law...
Only for over 21's. Phew. That should stop anyone else going postal...Bazfrag
People going postal usually die in the end or committ suicide.. I fail to see how this will do it.. In the end this is quite stupid and unncessary.. School shootings are as rare as hell, you have a greater chance of getting killed in a car accident..
[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="jointed"] Not that big of a deal? It kind of is, people aren't supposed to be carrying lethal weapons around on campus. I fail to see why it's even necessary, sure school shootings are a remote possibility, but hey if we use that logic, let's give kindergarten kids guns so that they can protect themselves against pedophiles.
jointed
Horrible analogy, Kindergarten kids are not of legal age to own a hand gun. Some schools in Utah already allow this and there have been no shootings at those schools. My school has had no incidents. It's not a big deal because most people who bother to go through the trouble of getting a permit to carry a concealed weapon are not going to go on a shooting rampage or do something stupid because of all the paper work attached to their name. And no policy will prevent some lunatic from doing what he or she wants. It's a non-issue really. So people are carrying weapons, so what? At least now you KNOW that someone in your class is likely strapped... It's an analogy, not a comparison and therefore its the idea of allowing people to carry concealed weapons in order to protect themselves against something which most likely will not happen and therefore making the act of carrying guns around more risky than the actual concept of a school shooting....that matters. And if everyone is "strapped" it will just escalate the whole thing. Do you really believe that someone just spontaneously decides to go on a rampage? These guys usually plan the whole thing for months...paperwork is the least of their problems and if they know that there are possible threats present when they get to the school, they'll probably just carry larger guns and more protection.
The thing is everyone else is not strapped. It's not like everyone on campsus will be carrying a gun. I feel a lot safer knowing that if someone decides to go on a shooting spree, that we allwon't just be sitting ducks waiting to get shot. Also it's not just to prevent a mass murder, but on campus here at UT, there are plenty of incidents at night where students are robbed or sexually abused by some deviant roaming around the area. This is a matter of allowing the student body to protect theirself if they choose to do so.
Are you talking about police officers? The same could be applied. Do you think cops shouldn't have guns?
XD4NTESINF3RNOX
Don't strawman my argument. Enforcing the law is way different from a venue were alcohol and drugs are used regularly and in high quantities. strawman??
Strawman. Why refute an arguement when you can distract from it?
[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="Sajo7"] Or someone thinks you're the shooter and shoots you Or it's a drunk kid who thinks it'd be funny to pull a gun out Or the kid took acid and is just acting crazy Or a heated fight escalates and the tension reaches the point where guns are drawn Or someone doesn't put there safety on Or....and all these are possible without the passage of this law... Everything is possible without the passage of law. But this law allows incidents to come one step closer to fruition is guns can be carried on campus without fear of repercussion.
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