Texas set to execute mentally r3tarded man for murder

A man whose lawyers say is clinically "mentally retarded" is set to be put to death by lethal injection in Texas.

Marvin Wilson was convicted of fatally shooting a police drug informant nearly 20 years ago, with the sentence of death by lethal injection.

http://www.aljazeera.com/video/americas/2012/08/201287113748514657.html

Apparently he has the same reasoning capacity of a five year old child.

That's a shame.

/Seinfeld voice

murder is still murder...

murder is still murder...

sexyweapons

Was he assessed by independent pyschologists or is this a typical case of lawyers making up bs?

Keep thinking that way. Very narrow way of thinking, think outside the box...If murder was murder than the majority of our soilders should be put to death.

Jamiemydearx3

You're the one who should think outside the box if you the best you can come up with is such an idiotic comparison :|

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

murder is still murder...

Jamiemydearx3

no your misunderstanding me,what I meant was even though he is mentally handicapped he still committed murder.

EDIT:Not like you have the best comparison anyway...

The problem here lies in what kind and degree of mental retardation we are talking about.

Lawyers are known to be lawyers after all.

Was he assessed by independent pyschologists or is this a typical case of lawyers making up bs?

Storm_Marine

Well its not uncommon for people to plead mental insanity if they know they cant win.

"I think, you know, we think if if somebody kills someone, thats murder, you go to prison. You kill 10 people, you go to Texas, they hit you with a brick, thats what they do. Twenty people, you go to a hospital, they look through a small window at you forever."

You said murder is murder...Do soilders not murder people? Do they deserve to be put to death as well? I'm not following your logic of "Murder is murder"

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Was he assessed by independent pyschologists or is this a typical case of lawyers making up bs?

sexyweapons

Well its not uncommon for people to plead mental insanity if they know they cant win.

That's my point.

You said murder is murder...Do soilders not murder people? Do they deserve to be put to death as well? I'm not following your logic of "Murder is murder"

Jamiemydearx3

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Was he assessed by independent pyschologists or is this a typical case of lawyers making up bs?

sexyweapons

Well its not uncommon for people to plead mental insanity if they know they cant win.

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

You said murder is murder...Do soilders not murder people? Do they deserve to be put to death as well? I'm not following your logic of "Murder is murder"

sammyjenkis898

You said murder is murder...Do soilders not murder people? Do they deserve to be put to death as well? I'm not following your logic of "Murder is murder"

Jamiemydearx3

You said murder is murder...Do soilders not murder people? Do they deserve to be put to death as well? I'm not following your logic of "Murder is murder"

Jamiemydearx3

Murder= unlawful killing.

You said murder is murder...Do soilders not murder people? Do they deserve to be put to death as well? I'm not following your logic of "Murder is murder"

Jamiemydearx3

No, don't start with this kind of BS. Killing people in war is not a crime unless you commit some extreme torture on them to kill them. Killing people in war is just killing, there is no law against it therefore it is not murder.

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

You said murder is murder...Do soilders not murder people? Do they deserve to be put to death as well? I'm not following your logic of "Murder is murder"

dercoo

Murder= unlawful killing.

You said murder is murder...Do soilders not murder people? Do they deserve to be put to death as well? I'm not following your logic of "Murder is murder"

Jamiemydearx3

well the contexts are completely different...ones murder within war and another's murder within society.

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Was he assessed by independent pyschologists or is this a typical case of lawyers making up bs?

-Sun_Tzu-

Well its not uncommon for people to plead mental insanity if they know they cant win.

is that accurate though? wouldn't it be easy to bs your way through? Who is this guy? What was his life like? i have this odd feeling the article isn't telling us the full story.

Al Jazeera seems to be painting a different picture of this than the Washington Post for example.

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

You said murder is murder...Do soilders not murder people? Do they deserve to be put to death as well? I'm not following your logic of "Murder is murder"

sexyweapons

well the contexts are completely different...ones murder within war and another's murder within society.

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

You said murder is murder...Do soilders not murder people? Do they deserve to be put to death as well? I'm not following your logic of "Murder is murder"

Jamiemydearx3

well the contexts are completely different...ones murder within war and another's murder within society.

its not murder within war,its duty,its murder if it happens within society.

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

You said murder is murder...Do soilders not murder people? Do they deserve to be put to death as well? I'm not following your logic of "Murder is murder"

Jamiemydearx3

Murder= unlawful killing.

When you "murder" in a war you are killing other armed combatants and it has been considered ok for thousands of years!

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

well the contexts are completely different...ones murder within war and another's murder within society.

sexyweapons

its not murder within war,its duty,its murder if it happens within society.

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

Murder= unlawful killing.

thegerg

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

Well its not uncommon for people to plead mental insanity if they know they cant win.

Storm_Marine

is that accurate though? wouldn't it be easy to bs your way through? Who is this guy? What was his life like? i have this odd feeling the article isn't telling us the full story.

His life has not been that of a genius

"Growing up in extreme poverty in east Texas in the 1960s, he struggled with basic tasks, like tying his shoes, counting money, and mowing the lawn. He fared miserably in school, earning D's and F's in special education classes and failing the 7th grade. The other kids called him 'dummy' and 'retarded.' He was socially promoted to the 10th grade, then dropped out for good.

As an adult, he did manual labor and had a son with a common-law wife. But he remained extraordinarily childlike, according to his younger sister, Kim Armstrong.

'I couldn't believe it when I saw him still sucking his thumb when his son was born,' Armstrong said in a 2003 affidavit. 'Marvin was in his twenties.'"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/marvin-wilson-texas-61-iq-to-be-executed_n_1739342.html

The reason why this execution is apparently legal is because Texas has an unscientific standard for determining mental illness (called theBriseño factors) which Wilson did not meet.

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"] Unlawful is subjective. Think outside the box...Like I said. What is unlawful to you isn't the same to a man in Iraq. Understand boy?

Jamiemydearx3

We are talking about the killing of another within the society not the justice system in the country. No matter how you put your argument, killing in a war is not murder and you are not prosecuted for it. It has been this way for THOUSANDS of years.

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"] So therefore murder isn't murder...? :| Get what I'm trying to say?

Jamiemydearx3

its not murder within war,its duty,its murder if it happens within society.

I to consider 911 murder,murder is the unlawful killing of people,to us the killing of insurgents in Afghanistanisn't murder as it isn't unlawful by us.What I meant was by murder is murder is that although that man is mentally handicapped he still unlawfully killed somebody.

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

its not murder within war,its duty,its murder if it happens within society.

sexyweapons

I to consider 911 murder,murder is the unlawful killing of people,to us the killing of insurgents in Afghanistanisn't murder as it isn't unlawful by us.What I meant was by murder is murder is that although that man is mentally handicapped he still unlawfully killed somebody.

I don't think insurgents view us killing them as unlawful since they are armed combatants trying to kill our soldiers and vice versa.

From the article.

Marvin Wilson was convicted of fatally shooting a police drug informant nearly 20 years ago, with the sentence of death by lethal injection.

The US Supreme Court soon afterwards found the penalty to bein violation ofthe constitutions ban on cruel and unusual punishment when imposed on the mentally retarded.

Also the video attached to the article says that the man is clincally confirmed to have an IQ in the lowest 1%, hence the 5-year-old child comparison.

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] No, unlawful is very objective. If one's actions violate law they are unlawful, if they don't they are not unlawful. thegerg

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] "You're saying everyone in the world follows the same laws?" No, I'm not saying that. "People in other countries die for insanely stupid laws by our standards, YET they don't label that as murder there." That's because it's not murder, it's lawful. "You're thinking in a very narrow matter" No, I am not. I am recognizing that different laws and different standards exist for different people in different places in different situations. "We are ignorant and arrogant (we as in Americans)" You may be ignorant and arrogant, but don't label all Amewricans as such. That's quite prejudiced and narrow minded. thegerg

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] Do you have any evidence to support your claim, or are you letting your arrogent ignorance do the talking here? thegerg

Unlawful is subjective. Think outside the box...Like I said. What is unlawful to you isn't the same to a man in Iraq. Understand boy?

Jamiemydearx3

:lol: My god you're a cretin. Now people will start fearing to "think outside the box" to avoid being linked to you.

Unlawful is subjective? Really? :lol:

Business as usual in Texas.helwa1988

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"] Unlawful is subjective. Think outside the box...Like I said. What is unlawful to you isn't the same to a man in Iraq. Understand boy?

N30F3N1X

:lol: My god you're a cretin. Now people will start fearing to "think outside the box" to avoid being linked to you.

Unlawful is subjective? Really? :lol:

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

:lol: My god you're a cretin. Now people will start fearing to "think outside the box" to avoid being linked to you.

Unlawful is subjective? Really? :lol:

thegerg

Your sandwich may be classified as something else somewhere else. Tigers can be looked at straight cats. And people do all of that, reality is even subjective. (GOMZOZMGOMG MIND BLOWINGGG!!!!!) and me saying this proves all of that....cause you honestly think I'm alone on this statement out of 6 billion people? No, that's just stupid. (and subjective!!!11)

I need to know more details surrounding the whole thing.

1. WHY did he shoot the drug informant?

2. Was he himself using drugs? Or selling them? Why was there a drug informant with him? Where did this all happen? Did this guy have a prior record?

If he was able to calculate that the drug informant was trying to nab him using or trafficing drugs in some way, then he's competent enough IMO to be tried as an adult for murder.

But as I said, I have more questions about the whole thing before I just stick a needle in his arm and be done with him.

Unlawful is subjective...Anything and everything can be subjective. Are you kidding me?

Jamiemydearx3

No, you just have no clue of what you're saying. You should have know what's inside the box before thinking of thinking out of it.

The conclusions you draw from a fact are subjective. The fact itself, isn't.

If killing was legal in the US this wouldn't be unlawful. It isn't legal, therefore it's unlawful. What you are referring to are called social norms and human principles, which have nothing to do with lawfulness.

"Thinking outside the box" just got you jack-in-the-box'd ;)

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]Unlawful is subjective...Anything and everything can be subjective. Are you kidding me?

N30F3N1X

No, you just have no clue of what you're saying. You should have know what's inside the box before thinking of thinking out of it.

The conclusions you draw from a fact are subjective. The fact itself, isn't.

If killing was legal in the US this wouldn't be unlawful. It isn't legal, therefore it's unlawful. What you are referring to are called social norms and human principles, which have nothing to do with lawfulness.

"Thinking outside the box" just got you jack-in-the-box'd ;)

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

murder is still murder...

Jamiemydearx3