Texas set to execute mentally r3tarded man for murder

since it was texas low i.q. is not enough to get you off.

the man was clearly smarter than half of the jury pool so he was held just as accountable as any of the other dumb people in texas.

if they let you off for barely being functional how would they be able to hold anyone there accountable for anything?

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

Why?He's never gonna be able to be re-released into society?

sexyweapons

so lets just kill him instead.

yep

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

so lets just kill him instead.

not everyone who goes in a mental institution is released back to society. he could have lived out his life there.

th3warr1or

Exactly. He doesn't deserve to.

Ignorance for teh lulz.

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

so lets just kill him instead.

not everyone who goes in a mental institution is released back to society. he could have lived out his life there.

TopTierHustler

Exactly. He doesn't deserve to.

Ignorance for teh lulz.

I ignored it because there's nothing to argue. I say mental retardation and IQ are unrelated, they say it is, it's not going to end.

Nothing you say is going to make me sympathetic to a murderer, and nothing I say is going to make you accept his execution.

Funny though. Of course I'm the ignorant one here, because everyone else in the thread who disagrees with me are trained psychiatrists and psychologists. :roll: Yeah. I think a murderer should be put to death, therefore I'm ignorant. Okay.

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

murder is still murder...

Jamiemydearx3

The majority of our soldiers have never killed or even shot at anybody.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

Exactly. He doesn't deserve to.

th3warr1or

Ignorance for teh lulz.

I ignored it because there's nothing to argue. I say mental retardation and IQ are unrelated, they say it is, it's not going to end.

Nothing you say is going to make me sympathetic to a murderer, and nothing I say is going to make you accept his execution.

Funny though. Of course I'm the ignorant one here, because everyone else in the thread who disagrees with me are trained psychiatrists and psychologists. :roll: Yeah. I think a murderer should be put to death, therefore I'm ignorant. Okay.

You're being ignorant for a number of reasons. You're saying IQ and mental retardation are unrelated. They're not, you're wrong, moving on. Furthermore, this man has been deemed mentally impaired by legitimate professionals. In rejecting his appeal the courts are basically ignoring guidelines on this matter (individuals with IQs below 70 are deemed to be mentally impaired), which probably explains why they killed him so quickly after his appeal was rejected. Once this case has been combed over they are going to find this is in direct violation of the Supreme Court ruling against executing mentally impaired individuals.

So no one's going to acknowledge the post that had the excerpt from the Washington Post?

Typical.

Although I'm against the death penalty, I don't see why this guy should be above it. From what I've read, it seems clear he knew what he was doing.

So no one's going to acknowledge the post that had the excerpt from the Washington Post?

Typical.

SpartanMSU

Uh-oh, it's another sinister liberal plot. Quick, go warn Breitbart.com!

"We are ignorant and arrogant (we as in Americans)" You may be ignorant and arrogant, but don't label all Amewricans as such. That's quite prejudiced and narrow minded. thegerg

Obviously we can't label ALL Americans, but if we take OT as a sample I'd say most Americans here come across as slightly arrogant towards other countries. As a non-American, that's what I feel when I read American posts here. Like if you guys think you're so much better than everyone else. Like I said, not everyone, but at least here I do see a pattern.

So no one's going to acknowledge the post that had the excerpt from the Washington Post?

Typical.

Although I'm against the death penalty, I don't see why this guy should be above it. From what I've read, it seems clear he knew what he was doing.

SpartanMSU

The sad thing is I'm not even making this up.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

So no one's going to acknowledge the post that had the excerpt from the Washington Post?

Typical.

Although I'm against the death penalty, I don't see why this guy should be above it. From what I've read, it seems clear he knew what he was doing.

-Sun_Tzu-

The sad thing is I'm not even making this up.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

So no one's going to acknowledge the post that had the excerpt from the Washington Post?

Typical.

Although I'm against the death penalty, I don't see why this guy should be above it. From what I've read, it seems clear he knew what he was doing.

Ravensmash

The sad thing is I'm not even making this up.

[QUOTE="thegerg"]"We are ignorant and arrogant (we as in Americans)" You may be ignorant and arrogant, but don't label all Amewricans as such. That's quite prejudiced and narrow minded. nunovlopes

Obviously we can't label ALL Americans, but if we take OT as a sample I'd say most Americans here come across as slightly arrogant towards other countries. As a non-American, that's what I feel when I read American posts here. Like if you guys think you're so much better than everyone else. Like I said, not everyone, but at least here I do see a pattern.

The funny thing is that the reality is quite opposite. Too many idiots here who look at the US from the outside and think they know a damn when they don't.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

So no one's going to acknowledge the post that had the excerpt from the Washington Post?

Typical.

theone86

Uh-oh, it's another sinister liberal plot. Quick, go warn Breitbart.com!

What the fvck are you talking about?

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

So no one's going to acknowledge the post that had the excerpt from the Washington Post?

Typical.

Although I'm against the death penalty, I don't see why this guy should be above it. From what I've read, it seems clear he knew what he was doing.

-Sun_Tzu-

The sad thing is I'm not even making this up.

I'm not denying that, and that is messed up. I was specifically talking about what the poster highletd from the WP article. He was never actually proven to be mentally retarded, as the OP's article suggests. He could very well be mentally retarded, but we will never no for sure now.

I couldn't care if he has an IQ of a potatoe, he killed a man, he is resonsible and should not avoid punishment.

I'm sure if he had shot and killed one of your family members you'd be campaigning to have him released .... right?

I couldn't care if he has an IQ of a potatoe, he killed a man, he is resonsible and should not avoid punishment.

I'm sure if he had shot and killed one of your family members you'd be campaigning to have him released .... right?

Deano

he is resonsible and should not avoid punishmentDeano

At least he has an excuse........you don't. l4dak47

being a retard isn't an excuse

and I haven't killed a man

so no

He was never actually proven to be mentally retarded, as the OP's article suggests.

SpartanMSU

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

Exactly. He doesn't deserve to.

th3warr1or

Ignorance for teh lulz.

I ignored it because there's nothing to argue. I say mental retardation and IQ are unrelated, they say it is, it's not going to end. You're going against the definition and writing your own, that screams ignorance

Nothing you say is going to make me sympathetic to a murderer, and nothing I say is going to make you accept his execution. Even if he was 5?

Funny though. Of course I'm the ignorant one here, because everyone else in the thread who disagrees with me are trained psychiatrists and psychologists. :roll: Yeah. I think a murderer should be put to death, therefore I'm ignorant. Okay. You don't need to be a psychologist to do some light reading on wikipedia or a dictionary and find out what the word ret@rded means. It's very basic; a class helps, but in this case, 10 minutes of reading would be enough. Guess you aren't bright enough for that.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

He was never actually proven to be mentally retarded, as the OP's article suggests.

-Sun_Tzu-

Good for everybody in this thread who was for this. You've shown you're not above killing a 12 year old, or in his case which was on the lower end of mild retardation; mentally he was probably closer to 8.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

Exactly. He doesn't deserve to.

th3warr1or

Ignorance for teh lulz.

I ignored it because there's nothing to argue. I say mental retardation and IQ are unrelated, they say it is, it's not going to end.

Nothing you say is going to make me sympathetic to a murderer, and nothing I say is going to make you accept his execution.

Funny though. Of course I'm the ignorant one here, because everyone else in the thread who disagrees with me are trained psychiatrists and psychologists. :roll: Yeah. I think a murderer should be put to death, therefore I'm ignorant. Okay.

Yeah, you are ignorant. To say that mental retardation and IQ are unrelated is ignorant, as the definition of mental retardation is low IQ. That's what the f*ck it means. It's like saying water and wetness are unrelated. You can say it if you want to, but it's stupefyingly ignorant to do so.

I'm sure if he had shot and killed one of your family members you'd be campaigning to have him released .... right?

Deano

And why do you think we don't allow friends and family to serve on the jury?

[QUOTE="Deano"]I'm sure if he had shot and killed one of your family members you'd be campaigning to have him released .... right?

worlock77

And why do you think we don't allow friends and family to serve on the jury?

Because you're a dirty leftist.

Well, look at it this way.

1. He's mentally retarded. Chances are he's never going to contribute with anything to society. A job 'here and there' proves this. Harsh, but true, in most cases.

2. He killed a man. Retarded or not, he's still a murder.

I'm not going to go into the discussion about whatever death penalty is right or wrong, but if that's how it is in Texas, I guess getting rid of him is the right thing to do.

Dude, fvck this fool. He MURDERED somebody, and he happens to be retarded. In my state, he's a dead motherf*cker. Even though he would live in my state, I'd vote otherwise if I could.

Dude, fvck this fool. He MURDERED somebody, and he happens to be retarded. In my state, he's a dead motherf*cker. Even though he would live in my state, I'd vote otherwise if I could.

lo_Pine

You ooze compassion in the way puss seeps from an infected wound.

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]

Dude, fvck this fool. He MURDERED somebody, and he happens to be retarded. In my state, he's a dead motherf*cker. Even though he would live in my state, I'd vote otherwise if I could.

tenaka2

You ooze compassion in the way puss seeps from an infected wound.

I try as hard as I can to be compassionate, but a lot of the times, this is what comes out. :P

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]

Dude, fvck this fool. He MURDERED somebody, and he happens to be retarded. In my state, he's a dead motherf*cker. Even though he would live in my state, I'd vote otherwise if I could.

lo_Pine

You ooze compassion in the way puss seeps from an infected wound.

I try as hard as I can to be compassionate, but a lot of the times, this is what comes out. :P

Well im somewhat indifferent to this case, however as death row costs more then life in prison or a mental hospital I'd suggest keeping him alive for finincial reasons.

On a different note, they really need to jazz up executions, I'd personally go for giant catapults, more people would support the death penalty if the method used was giant catapults.

Or even Running man style.

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

You ooze compassion in the way puss seeps from an infected wound.

tenaka2

I try as hard as I can to be compassionate, but a lot of the times, this is what comes out. :P

Well im somewhat indifferent to this case, however as death row costs more then life in prison or a mental hospital I'd suggest keeping him alive for finincial reasons.

On a different note, they really need to jazz up executions, I'd personally go for giant catapults, more people would support the death penalty if the method used was giant catapults.

Or even Running man style.

Well, look at it this way.

1. He's mentally retarded. Chances are he's never going to contribute with anything to society. A job 'here and there' proves this. Harsh, but true, in most cases.

2. He killed a man. Retarded or not, he's still a murder.

I'm not going to go into the discussion about whatever death penalty is right or wrong, but if that's how it is in Texas, I guess getting rid of him is the right thing to do.

001011000101101

[QUOTE="001011000101101"]

Well, look at it this way.

1. He's mentally retarded. Chances are he's never going to contribute with anything to society. A job 'here and there' proves this. Harsh, but true, in most cases.

2. He killed a man. Retarded or not, he's still a murder.

I'm not going to go into the discussion about whatever death penalty is right or wrong, but if that's how it is in Texas, I guess getting rid of him is the right thing to do.

Ravensmash

aye.

hes mentally handicappedand cant help society, lets kill him!:roll:

A man whose lawyers say is clinically "mentally retarded" is set to be put to death by lethal injection in Texas.

Marvin Wilson was convicted of fatally shooting a police drug informant nearly 20 years ago, with the sentence of death by lethal injection.

http://www.aljazeera.com/video/americas/2012/08/201287113748514657.html

Apparently he has the same reasoning capacity of a five year old child.

BossPerson

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

He was never actually proven to be mentally retarded, as the OP's article suggests.

-Sun_Tzu-

Based in a SINGLE IQ test taken in 2004, which state attorneys said was faulty for various reasons. He passed the others he took if I remember correctly.

I support the Master Blaster initiative,

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

He was never actually proven to be mentally retarded, as the OP's article suggests.

SpartanMSU

Based in a SINGLE IQ test taken in 2004, which state attorneys said was faulty for various reasons. He passed the others he took if I remember correctly.

I believe that single test was the only IQ test he was given. The other "tests" he passed were the "Lennie Small test" (as has been explained previously in this thread).

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Yes he was. He had an IQ of 61. He just didn't pass Texas' legal definition of mental retardation. worlock77

Based in a SINGLE IQ test taken in 2004, which state attorneys said was faulty for various reasons. He passed the others he took if I remember correctly.

I believe that single test was the only IQ test he was given. The other "tests" he passed were the "Lennie Small test" (as has been explained previously in this thread).

It never said the only other tests he passed were the "Lennie Small tests". There's more to it than the OP would lead you to believe. It's not a clear-cut case and defnitely deserves more discussion than "stupid red necks killed a retard The End."

A man whose lawyers say is clinically "mentally retarded" is set to be put to death by lethal injection in Texas.

Marvin Wilson was convicted of fatally shooting a police drug informant nearly 20 years ago, with the sentence of death by lethal injection.

http://www.aljazeera.com/video/americas/2012/08/201287113748514657.html

Apparently he has the same reasoning capacity of a five year old child.

BossPerson

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

He was never actually proven to be mentally retarded, as the OP's article suggests.

SpartanMSU

Based in a SINGLE IQ test taken in 2004, which state attorneys said was faulty for various reasons. He passed the others he took if I remember correctly.

From the Psych report in 2004 that was filed by a court appointed neuropsychologist

"

In addition to the testing that I have conducted, Mr. Wilson has been tested on a number
of different occasions over the years, obtaining scores ranging form 61 to 75 on different
measures of intellectual ability. During the 1971-72 school year, Mr. Wilson was
administered the Lorge-Thorndike measure of intellectual ability. On this test, he earned

a composite score of 73. This scores places him at approximately the 3rd percentile when
compared with other children his age. Additional records indicate that Mr . Wilson was
tested by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice in May 1987 .. This testing reportedly
revealed an I.Q . of 75 , which would place Mr. Wilson at approximately the 5 percentile
when compared with others his age. More recently, Mr. Wilson was administered the
Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale - 3rd Edition . This test was administered by Dr. Curtis
Wills in May 2004. It is my opinion that the WAIS -III is the most valid indicator of adult
intelligence now in current usage .

On the WAIS-III Mr. Wilson earned a Verbal I.Q. of
61, a Performance I.Q. of 68, and the Full Scale I.Q. of 61. This places him within the
mildly retarded range of intellectual ability and below the 1 st percentile. Since Mr.
Wilson had just recently been administered the WAIS-III, I did not retest him using that
same measure . I did; however, administer the Raven and Toni-II, which are rion-verbal
measures of intellectual ability, and much less comprehensive than the WAIS-III. He
earned a standard score of 75 on the RAVEN.. He did perform somewhat higher on the
Toni-II, with an I.Q. equivalent of 79. However, it is not at all uncommon for scores on
the Toni-II to be 10 or 15 points higher than those obtained on the WAIS -III. I would
certainly rely most heavily on the WAIS-III score as an indicator of his level of
intellectual functioning."

So no one's going to acknowledge the post that had the excerpt from the Washington Post?

Typical.

Although I'm against the death penalty, I don't see why this guy should be above it. From what I've read, it seems clear he knew what he was doing.

SpartanMSU

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

murder is still murder...

sexyweapons

no your misunderstanding me,what I meant was even though he is mentally handicapped he still committed murder.

EDIT:Not like you have the best comparison anyway...

heh, i'm glad there are so many merciful people too offset my attitude since i hear a guy is mentally disadvantaged AND deadly dangerous and what i think is quick somebody get me a pillow i will do this myself for the good of mankind.

i mean sure it's horrible to say and whatever but come on.

why put fellow inmates and prison workers in danger just to soothe your bleeding heart?

[QUOTE="SteverXIII"]Texas.... years stuck in the past it seems. The death penalty needs to disappear. juden41

One has to have visited Texas to have an opinion on the death penalty?

heh, i'm glad there are so many merciful people too offset my attitude since i hear a guy is mentally disadvantaged AND deadly dangerous and what i think is quick somebody get me a pillow i will do this myself for the good of mankind.

i mean sure it's horrible to say and whatever but come on.

why put fellow inmates and prison workers in danger just to soothe your bleeding heart?

Riverwolf007

Why trust the state, which, being a human institution, is terribly prone to error, with that kind of power just to soothe your need for vengeance?

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

heh, i'm glad there are so many merciful people too offset my attitude since i hear a guy is mentally disadvantaged AND deadly dangerous and what i think is quick somebody get me a pillow i will do this myself for the good of mankind.

i mean sure it's horrible to say and whatever but come on.

why put fellow inmates and prison workers in danger just to soothe your bleeding heart?

worlock77

Why trust the state, which, being a human institution, is terribly prone to error, with that kind of power just to soothe your need for vengeance?

i'm saying you put a mad dog down to protect people in the future, i could not care less about what the mad dog did to get caught.