The bible itself condems Jesus

Ummm, good bible reference. NOW STATE where it actually says he has long hair. No where I have read in the Bible does it say Jesus has long hair. Artists have painted him with long hair but that is their own depiction.

Get your facts straight before making such outlandish claims. It does not say he had long hair in the Bible therefore why should we assume he did?

Lansdowne5

Taking things out of context.:|-Wicked_Sick-

No......? I guess you two would try to distance yourself from your earlier posts since the argument was soundly defeated....by Christians AND atheists. LJS9502_basic

This is such funniness to me. :lol:

You guys always claim that the bible is open to interperetation, yet when I provide my own interperetation of a certain verse, you jump all over it and say it wrong, and then go on to describe what it REALLY MEANT. If the bible is open to interperetation, then none of us would be wrong, there's just different ways to look at it. I couldn't be wrong. And at this point, you're just placing your interperetation against mine.

When I read the passage in Corinthians, and it suggests that it is a shame for a man to have long hair, then I interperet it as literal. That's just how I interperet things. I always figured people wouldn't say something unless they actually meant it. So you can't say anything has been debunked, otherwise you're going against your claim that the bible is open to interperetation.

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

PS3 is way better. You better hope you got one of the 360s that won't overheat on you. :lol:

LJS9502_basic

What's taking so long...both consoles have been out quite a while now.

[This is such funniness to me. :lol:

You guys always claim that the bible is open to interperetation, yet when I provide my own interperetation of a certain verse, you jump all over it and say it wrong, and then go on to describe what it REALLY MEANT. If the bible is open to interperetation, then none of us would be wrong, there's just different ways to look at it. I couldn't be wrong. And at this point, you're just placing your interperetation against mine.

When I read the passage in Corinthians, and it suggests that it is a shame for a man to have long hair, then I interperet it as literal. That's just how I interperet things. I always figured people wouldn't say something unless they actually meant it. So you can't say anything has been debunked, otherwise you're going against your claim that the bible is open to interperetation.

Deity_Slapper

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

PS3 is way better. You better hope you got one of the 360s that won't overheat on you. :lol:

Deity_Slapper

What's taking so long...both consoles have been out quite a while now.

[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Ummm, good bible reference. NOW STATE where it actually says he has long hair. No where I have read in the Bible does it say Jesus has long hair. Artists have painted him with long hair but that is their own depiction.

Get your facts straight before making such outlandish claims. It does not say he had long hair in the Bible therefore why should we assume he did?

Deity_Slapper

Taking things out of context.:|-Wicked_Sick-

No......? I guess you two would try to distance yourself from your earlier posts since the argument was soundly defeated....by Christians AND atheists. LJS9502_basic

This is such funniness to me. :lol:

You guys always claim that the bible is open to interperetation, yet when I provide my own interperetation of a certain verse, you jump all over it and say it wrong, and then go on to describe what it REALLY MEANT. If the bible is open to interperetation, then none of us would be wrong, there's just different ways to look at it. I couldn't be wrong. And at this point, you're just placing your interperetation against mine.

When I read the passage in Corinthians, and it suggests that it is a shame for a man to have long hair, then I interperet it as literal. That's just how I interperet things. I always figured people wouldn't say something unless they actually meant it. So you can't say anything has been debunked, otherwise you're going against your claim that the bible is open to interperetation.

Denial? FYI when reading books, texts, scripture etc....to get the meaning you have to read the entire thing....not one phrase.LJS9502_basic

I did. That's just what stood out to me the most. It's not like I just made it up. The claim that long hair is a shame was clear and distinct.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Denial? FYI when reading books, texts, scripture etc....to get the meaning you have to read the entire thing....not one phrase.Deity_Slapper

I did. That's just what stood out to me the most. It's not like I just made it up. The claim that long hair is a shame was clear and distinct.

The Bible? Open to interpretation? I believe most interpretations of the Bible's moral messages are definitely open to interpretation - interpretation on the intellectual level of a 6 year old.deepdreamer256

Ironically, low-level insults like that are only impressive to a 6 year old. :roll:

How many times are you going to do this to yourself? :lol:

Your ego is blinding you and casuing you to say silly things without thinking first. Keep it in check.

So it's the comprehension? Because that wasn't what it said dude.:|LJS9502_basic

Like I said, it's my interperetation.

And using my interperetation, my point about the hypocracy behind the passage would be correct.

However, if it is not open to interperetation (although christians would be backpeddling now, to claim this), then my point would be wrong. But the only way I could be wrong is if you took away the right to interperetation, and box the meaning of the passage into your own construct. I would ALWAYS be wrong if you guys keep taking that approach. I just can't win can I? :roll:

[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"] The Bible? Open to interpretation? I believe most interpretations of the Bible's moral messages are definitely open to interpretation - interpretation on the intellectual level of a 6 year old.Deity_Slapper

Ironically, low-level insults like that are only impressive to a 6 year old. :roll:

How many times are you going to do this to yourself? :lol:

Your ego is blinding you and casuing you to say silly things without thinking first. Keep it in check.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]So it's the comprehension? Because that wasn't what it said dude.:|Deity_Slapper

Like I said, it's my interperetation.

And using my interperetation, my point about the hypocracy behind the passage would be correct.

However, if it is not open to interperetation (although christians would be backpeddling now, to claim this), then my point would be wrong. But the only way I could be wrong is if you took away the right to interperetation, and box the meaning of the passage into your own construct. I would ALWAYS be wrong if you guys keep taking that approach. I just can't win can I? :roll:

What? I'm only stating the truth. deepdreamer256

No you're just trying to be a smart-ass, but it isn't working, unfortunately.

6-year old interpretation: Wat this means is that cwistians should always be faetheful to Gawd.deepdreamer256

What makes you thik all 6 year-olds have a lisp? :? Oh...yeah, you were just trying to be cute again... :roll:

Atheists: What this means is that God enjoys mudering people to test the faith of his followers. deepdreamer256

I'm an atheist, and I don't think that. So you're wrong...AGAIN. Which doesn't suprise me at this point.

Using interpretation is not a good excuse. A deliberate misinterpretation generally results in a loss of credibility. *shrug* Not my problem though.LJS9502_basic

It wasn't deliberate, that's really how I interperet that passage! The author clearly states what he states! It's really impossible to misinterperet that. The implication that long hair is a shame is clearly evident.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Using interpretation is not a good excuse. A deliberate misinterpretation generally results in a loss of credibility. *shrug* Not my problem though.Deity_Slapper

It wasn't deliberate, that's really how I interperet that passage! The author clearly states what he states! It's really impossible to misinterperet that. The implication that long hair is a shame is clearly evident.

Vis a vis your thread topic. One.....you need to read the entire text before forming an opinion as to meaning.LJS9502_basic

I said I already did. Move beyond this now, if you can.

You cherry picked one phrase without doing that.LJS9502_basic

Why is a cherry picker accusing me of cherry picking? :? Irony?

Two....you didn't use logic to see that nowhere in the Bible is is there a physical description of how Jesus looked anyway. LJS9502_basic

Not in the bible, no, but EVERY SINGLE image I've ever seen of Jesus' supposed apperance depicts him as having long hair. What else are people supposed to think? Do you have pictures of Jesus in your house? As a catholic, I'd imagine you do. Does he have long hair in those paintings? Most likely.

So what image is imprinted into your mind, and comes to the surface every time you think about Jesus? The paintings you've seen of him with long hair, obviously. That's human nature. But, if you don't even believe that's how he looked, why not just throw the picture out, for the sake of it being inaccurate? Remember, you're not one who's into... "incorrect facts". :lol:

[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"] What? I'm only stating the truth. Deity_Slapper

No you're just trying to be a smart-ass, but it isn't working, unfortunately.

6-year old interpretation: Wat this means is that cwistians should always be faetheful to Gawd.deepdreamer256

What makes you thik all 6 year-olds have a lisp? :? Oh...yeah, you were just trying to be cute again... :roll:

Atheists: What this means is that God enjoys mudering people to test the faith of his followers. deepdreamer256

I'm an atheist, and I don't think that. So you're wrong...AGAIN. Which doesn't suprise me at this point.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Vis a vis your thread topic. One.....you need to read the entire text before forming an opinion as to meaning.Deity_Slapper

I said I already did. Move beyond this now, if you can.

You cherry picked one phrase without doing that.LJS9502_basic

Why is a cherry picker accusing me of cherry picking? :? Irony?

Two....you didn't use logic to see that nowhere in the Bible is is there a physical description of how Jesus looked anyway. LJS9502_basic

Not in the bible, no, but EVERY SINGLE image I've ever seen of Jesus' supposed apperance depicts him as having long hair. What else are people supposed to think? Do you have pictures of Jesus in your house? As a catholic, I'd imagine you do. Does he have long hair in those paintings? Most likely.

So what image is imprinted into your mind, and comes to the surface every time you think about Jesus? The paintings you've seen of him with long hair, obviously. That's human nature. But, if you don't even believe that's how he looked, why not just throw the picture out, for the sake of it being inaccurate? Remember, you're not one who's into... "incorrect facts". :lol:

I've also noticed that your writing seems much more egotistical and childish than mine.deepdreamer256

Of course you'd want to believe that. It's not suprising that you would take the most convenient avenue. :roll: Dude, you're just annoying.

Check my post history and see the lack of childish posts. I think I get more in-depth than almost anyone else here.

Can we be done with this now? You're just trying to be irritating, like a gnat or something. You should aspire for something greater than to just be a thorn in someone's side all the time...it's a waste.

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Vis a vis your thread topic. One.....you need to read the entire text before forming an opinion as to meaning.LJS9502_basic

I said I already did. Move beyond this now, if you can.

You cherry picked one phrase without doing that.LJS9502_basic

Why is a cherry picker accusing me of cherry picking? :? Irony?

Two....you didn't use logic to see that nowhere in the Bible is is there a physical description of how Jesus looked anyway. LJS9502_basic

Not in the bible, no, but EVERY SINGLE image I've ever seen of Jesus' supposed apperance depicts him as having long hair. What else are people supposed to think? Do you have pictures of Jesus in your house? As a catholic, I'd imagine you do. Does he have long hair in those paintings? Most likely.

So what image is imprinted into your mind, and comes to the surface every time you think about Jesus? The paintings you've seen of him with long hair, obviously. That's human nature. But, if you don't even believe that's how he looked, why not just throw the picture out, for the sake of it being inaccurate? Remember, you're not one who's into... "incorrect facts". :lol:

Explain.

Also tell me if you have pictures of Jesus in your house, and if you do, why? Throw them out since they are not accurate, as "inaccurate facts" are not satisfactory to Mr. LJ. Remember? Why are you avoiding yet again, another point that I've made? No wait, don't answer that question, just answer the first one.

[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"] I've also noticed that your writing seems much more egotistical and childish than mine.Deity_Slapper

Of course you'd want to believe that. It's not suprising that you would take the most convenient avenue. :roll: Dude, you're just annoying.

Check my post history and see the lack of childish posts. I think I get more in-depth than almost anyone else here.

Can we be done with this now? You're just trying to be irritating, like a gnat or something. You should aspire for something greater than to just be a thorn in someone's side all the time...it's a waste.

Explain.

Also tell me if you have pictures of Jesus in your house, and if you do, why? Throw them out since they are not accurate, as "inaccurate facts" are not satisfactory to Mr. LJ. Remember? Why are you avoiding yet again, another point that I've made? No wait, don't answer that question, just answer the first one.

Deity_Slapper

And no I have no pictures or artist interpretations. Wrong guess dude....;)

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

Explain.

Also tell me if you have pictures of Jesus in your house, and if you do, why? Throw them out since they are not accurate, as "inaccurate facts" are not satisfactory to Mr. LJ. Remember? Why are you avoiding yet again, another point that I've made? No wait, don't answer that question, just answer the first one.

LJS9502_basic

And no I have no pictures or artist interpretations. Wrong guess dude....;)

Lamow. You replied to the same post twice... with different responses.Welkabonz

The gist of my post was similar though.....

Edited for typo. I think a cordless keyboard may have been a mistake.

[QUOTE="Welkabonz"] Lamow. You replied to the same post twice... with different responses.LJS9502_basic

The gist of my post was similar though.....

Edited for typo. I think a cordless keyboard may have been a mistake.

[QUOTE="Welkabonz"] Lamow. You replied to the same post twice... with different responses.LJS9502_basic

The gist of my post was similar though.....

Edited for typo. I think a cordless keyboard may have been a mistake.

No you don't! You just blamed gamespot! :lol:

And then you blamed a wireless keyboard! Oh, good lord! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

There it is again. You are almost constantly arguing with people as if they are some lower form of life than you. deepdreamer256

No that's what YOU do. Especially with your constant implication of a six year old with a lisp. Once again, you've contradicted yourself, just as you did when you made a childish insult towards me, while implying that I was a child. Silliness.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Welkabonz"] Lamow. You replied to the same post twice... with different responses.Deity_Slapper

The gist of my post was similar though.....

Edited for typo. I think a cordless keyboard may have been a mistake.

No you don't! You just blamed gamespot! :lol:

And then you blamed a wireless keyboard! Oh, good lord! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

No you don't! You just blamed gamespot! :lol:

And then you blamed a wireless keyboard! Oh, good lord! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Deity_Slapper

[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]There it is again. You are almost constantly arguing with people as if they are some lower form of life than you. Deity_Slapper

No that's what YOU do. Especially with your constant implication of a six year old with a lisp. Once again, you've contradicted yourself, just as you did when you made a childish insult towards me, while implying that I was a child. Silliness.

I know that you make mistakes...Welkabonz

[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]There it is again. You are almost constantly arguing with people as if they are some lower form of life than you. Deity_Slapper

No that's what YOU do. Especially with your constant implication of a six year old with a lisp. Once again, you've contradicted yourself, just as you did when you made a childish insult towards me, while implying that I was a child. Silliness.

Can't you just make a photoshop this and be happy?groovdafied

[QUOTE="Welkabonz"] I know that you make mistakes...LJS9502_basic

I just wanted to point out that THIS is a perfect example of those veiled, subtle, insults that I was talking about. You do insult, a lot. Just because it's not direct, and only subtle, doesn't mean you are not intending to insult.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Welkabonz"] I know that you make mistakes...Deity_Slapper

I just wanted to point out that THIS is a perfect example of those veiled, subtle, insults that I was talking about. You do insult, a lot. Just because it's not direct, and only subtle, doesn't mean you are not intending to insult.

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

No you don't! You just blamed gamespot! :lol:

And then you blamed a wireless keyboard! Oh, good lord! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Welkabonz

Can YOU read? He said "I guess...", not strictly, "I missed it". As always, that backdoor is open. And did you not see how he blamed a wireless keyboard for his typo? Damn, that's pathetic. My typos come from sloppy typing, or hitting the wrong key. I can admit that, he can't. Blaming a keyboard...wow... :roll:

[QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Welkabonz"] I know that you make mistakes...deepdreamer256

I just wanted to point out that THIS is a perfect example of those veiled, subtle, insults that I was talking about. You do insult, a lot. Just because it's not direct, and only subtle, doesn't mean you are not intending to insult.

...Yes?

[QUOTE="Welkabonz"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

No you don't! You just blamed gamespot! :lol:

And then you blamed a wireless keyboard! Oh, good lord! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Deity_Slapper

Can YOU read? He said "I guess...", not strictly, "I missed it". As always, that backdoor is open. And did you not see how he blamed a wireless keyboard for his typo? Damn, that's pathetic. My typos come from sloppy typing, or hitting the wrong key. I can admit that, he can't. Blaming a keyboard...wow... :roll:

[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Welkabonz"] I know that you make mistakes...Funky_Llama

I just wanted to point out that THIS is a perfect example of those veiled, subtle, insults that I was talking about. You do insult, a lot. Just because it's not direct, and only subtle, doesn't mean you are not intending to insult.

...Yes?

Now we're talking about minor grammatical errors? The level of your scrutiny is starting to become almost . . . cute?deepdreamer256

Was welkabonz' level of scrutiny not cute? No? Cause you're on his side of course.

This is dumb. You know why? You say I'm being arrogant, but you're one of those atheists who attacks his own kind because he thinks he the "best atheist of them all". Like you're here to save us with your magnificent wisdom of things unrealized by mere mortals such as myself. Gimme a break dude.

The atheist that attacks the other athiests...what a sad state of affairs. I bet you're really a christian posing as an atheist just so you can take swipes at us without looking like a fundie. :roll:

[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"] Now we're talking about minor grammatical errors? The level of your scrutiny is starting to become almost . . . cute?Deity_Slapper

Was welkabonz' level of scrutiny not cute? No? Cause you're on his side of course.

This is dumb. You know why? You say I'm being arrogant, but you're one of those atheists who attacks his own kind because he thinks he the "best atheist of them all". Like you're here to save us with your magnificent wisdom of things unrealized by mere mortals such as myself. Gimme a break dude.

The atheist that attacks the other athiests...what a sad state of affairs. I bet you're really a christian posing as an atheist just so you can take swipes at us without looking like a fundie. :roll:

Can YOU read? He said "I guess...", not strictly, "I missed it".

Deity_Slapper

And where exactly in the Bible does it say that Jesus had long hair? Don't tell me, you think Leonardo Di Vinci painted The Last Supper when Jesus and his disciples actually were there? Hate to tell you, but Di Vinci lived at least 1500 years after Jesus was alive.tycoonmike

[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"] Now we're talking about minor grammatical errors? The level of your scrutiny is starting to become almost . . . cute?Deity_Slapper

Was welkabonz' level of scrutiny not cute? No? Cause you're on his side of course.

This is dumb. You know why? You say I'm being arrogant, but you're one of those atheists who attacks his own kind because he thinks he the "best atheist of them all". Like you're here to save us with your magnificent wisdom of things unrealized by mere mortals such as myself. Gimme a break dude.

The atheist that attacks the other athiests...what a sad state of affairs. I bet you're really a christian posing as an atheist just so you can take swipes at us without looking like a fundie. :roll:

OBJECTION!
Ahem. Just seemed right with the Phoenix Wright picture.

Anyway, I don't see what's necessarily wrong with an atheist attacking another atheist. If, for example, an atheist makes a fallacious argument for the nonexistence of God, it would be reasonable for another atheist to interject.

And that last sentence... now that's even more paranoid that accusing me of being an alt of you. :P

But, oh wait, I'm not meant to disagree with you, since apprently I am you. :roll:

And where exactly in the Bible does it say that Jesus had long hair? Don't tell me, you think Leonardo Di Vinci painted The Last Supper when Jesus and his disciples actually were there? Hate to tell you, but Di Vinci lived at least 1500 years after Jesus was alive.tycoonmike

Yeah, for the long hair argument to be considered true, the TC needs to get a quote that states Jesus had long hair...

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]And where exactly in the Bible does it say that Jesus had long hair? Don't tell me, you think Leonardo Di Vinci painted The Last Supper when Jesus and his disciples actually were there? Hate to tell you, but Di Vinci lived at least 1500 years after Jesus was alive.viewtiful26

Yeah, for the long hair argument to be considered true, the TC needs to get a quote that states Jesus had long hair...

I'm afraid you're late to the party.

Isn't it peculiar that the bible would clearly state:

"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?" I Corinthians 11:14

Yet the rest of the book goes on to pretty much put Jesus on a pedestal and say he is a savior, and all that crap? Also, the book of Corinthians is in the New Testament, so for all the "christians" who only follow the NT, you've got quite a dillema on your hands. Worship the long-haired savior, or take these words in THE NT as a golden guideline, which would actually force you to agree that Jesus was a shameful person for having his hair long. So which will you choose? You can't have both.

Uh oh...looks like you're going to have to discard the NT as well as the OT...now you've got no bible left! Or you can keep the NT, but have to accept Jesus was not perfect, as his long hair brought shame unto him, and can no longer look up to him...but of course if you no longer looked up to Jesus, why keep the NT around either, since the NT pretty much IS Jesus.

Yikes, I would hate to be in this pickle.

Deity_Slapper

Yikes, you have placed yourself in a pickle.

Your whole premise is wrong. Your arguments are wrong and your conclusion is wrong. Nowhere in the Bible is a detailed physical description of Jesus given. The images of Jesus with long hair are all man made, just as your fallacious argument is. . The closest thing to a physical description is Isa 53:2, "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, thereis no beauty that we should desire him."

Here is all of Isa 53. I post it because it is a Messianic prophecy of Jesus, the Messiah and evidence to the truth of the Bible. Here is a prophecy of Jesus written hundreds of years before His coming.

Isa 53:1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

Isa 53:2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, thereis no beauty that we should desire him.

Isa 53:3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Isa 53:4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Isa 53:5But he was wounded for our transgressions, hewas bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isa 53:6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isa 53:7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

Isa 53:8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Isa 53:9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither wasany deceit in his mouth.

Isa 53:10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Isa 53:11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Isa 53:12Therefore will I divide him aportion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.