The bible itself condems Jesus

[QUOTE="viewtiful26"]

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]And where exactly in the Bible does it say that Jesus had long hair? Don't tell me, you think Leonardo Di Vinci painted The Last Supper when Jesus and his disciples actually were there? Hate to tell you, but Di Vinci lived at least 1500 years after Jesus was alive.Funky_Llama

Yeah, for the long hair argument to be considered true, the TC needs to get a quote that states Jesus had long hair...

I'm afraid you're late to the party.

It is never too late to come to a knowledge of the truth, as long as we are living, that is.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="viewtiful26"]

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]And where exactly in the Bible does it say that Jesus had long hair? Don't tell me, you think Leonardo Di Vinci painted The Last Supper when Jesus and his disciples actually were there? Hate to tell you, but Di Vinci lived at least 1500 years after Jesus was alive.blackregiment

Yeah, for the long hair argument to be considered true, the TC needs to get a quote that states Jesus had long hair...

I'm afraid you're late to the party.

It is never too late to come to a knowledge of the truth, as long as we are living, that is.

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

:roll: By party, I meant this thread, not Christianity.

Thid is why making an image of a Prophet is considered wrong in Islam. It results in pointless arguments plus, if the image is not accurate, it is as though the image-maker is decieving people.MFaraz_Hayat

I hardly think that not having 'pointless arguments' would take priority over freedom of expression.

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]Thid is why making an image of a Prophet is considered wrong in Islam. It results in pointless arguments plus, if the image is not accurate, it is as though the image-maker is decieving people.Funky_Llama

I hardly think that not having 'pointless arguments' would take priority over freedom of expression.

You are mixing it up. Freedom of expression is one thing and a pointless argument another. You can say what you like about any religion. I cannot stop you and you have your freedom there. But, will someone's argument over the internet actually convince another person? Quite unlikely. Making it pointless, as neither you will accept other party's proof nor they yours (especially in religious matters), making it quite pointless indeed.

Thid is why making an image of a Prophet is considered wrong in Islam. It results in pointless arguments plus, if the image is not accurate, it is as though the image-maker is decieving people.MFaraz_Hayat

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]Thid is why making an image of a Prophet is considered wrong in Islam. It results in pointless arguments plus, if the image is not accurate, it is as though the image-maker is decieving people.MFaraz_Hayat

I hardly think that not having 'pointless arguments' would take priority over freedom of expression.

You are mixing it up. Freedom of expression is one thing and a pointless argument another. You can say what you like about any religion. I cannot stop you and you have your freedom there. But, will someone's argument over the internet actually convince another person? Quite unlikely. Making it pointless, as neither you will accept other party's proof nor they yours (especially in religious matters), making it quite pointless indeed.

Actually, if you were you prove anything to me, I'd quite happily believe it.

Don't assume that I am closed-minded just because you are.

Oh, and another thing - if you don't think that there's any point in it, why post in a religious debate thread in the first place?

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]Thid is why making an image of a Prophet is considered wrong in Islam. It results in pointless arguments plus, if the image is not accurate, it is as though the image-maker is decieving people.Funky_Llama

I hardly think that not having 'pointless arguments' would take priority over freedom of expression.

You are mixing it up. Freedom of expression is one thing and a pointless argument another. You can say what you like about any religion. I cannot stop you and you have your freedom there. But, will someone's argument over the internet actually convince another person? Quite unlikely. Making it pointless, as neither you will accept other party's proof nor they yours (especially in religious matters), making it quite pointless indeed.

Actually, if you were you prove anything to me, I'd quite happily believe it.

Don't assume that I am closed-minded just because you are.

Oh, and another thing - if you don't think that there's any point in it, why post in a religious debate thread in the first place?

My friend, it is you who assumed that I am close-minded. I didnot even use that word. Plus, what I said is practical. Even, if you prove to the follower of a religion that he is wrong, he will not abandon his religion just because of your arguments. He will first investigate the matter himself and then make a conclusion.

Btw, is it not quite obvious that Jesus (P.B.U.H.) image was made much later? So why keep arguing? It might be wrong, but hey who are you to dictate what person is to do?

Plus, I posted because of my freedom of expression. You cannot stop me from posting. Even though I think the argument is pointless, is it not my wish whether I am posting or not? Who are you to actually question me?

Plus, I posted because of my freedom of expression. You cannot stop me from posting. Even though I think the argument is pointless, is it not my wish whether I am posting or not? Who are you to actually question me?

The only thing we can assume about Jesus's appearance is that he probably had middle eastern features.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]Thid is why making an image of a Prophet is considered wrong in Islam. It results in pointless arguments plus, if the image is not accurate, it is as though the image-maker is decieving people.MFaraz_Hayat

Plus, I posted because of my freedom of expression. You cannot stop me from posting. Even though I think the argument is pointless, is it not my wish whether I am posting or not? Who are you to actually question me? Welkabonz

There is no such thing as "freedom of expression."

I'm pretty sure there is.

Although, he's incorrect to assume I tried to stop him from posting; I just said it was at odds with what he just said.

I'm pretty sure there is.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

I'm pretty sure there is.

Welkabonz

I never said they were.

[QUOTE="Welkabonz"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

I'm pretty sure there is.

Funky_Llama

I never said they were.

I never said they were.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]Thid is why making an image of a Prophet is considered wrong in Islam. It results in pointless arguments plus, if the image is not accurate, it is as though the image-maker is decieving people.Funky_Llama

"Close-Minded" for not accepting proof from some unknown guy on the internet, trying to bash religion on a gaming forum and who might have copied his arguments from some anti-religious site? Am I wrong?

I said that it was pointless to keep arguing. I say it again. Mere saying of this statement is not an argument, my friend?

And I ask you again, who are you to question me about why I am posting on the forum? You were "attempting" to debate with me by questioning that why I am posting? I donot consider this a debate.....(perhaps you do). Btw, I was not in middle of a Debate with you, at all.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Welkabonz"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

I'm pretty sure there is.

LJS9502_basic

I never said they were.

What the hell are you guys talking about? :x

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Um... does the Bible actually state that Jesus has long hair? Deity_Slapper

This guy said it best:

Jesus has always been portrayed with long hair. There is no good reason to assume otherwise.

luke1889

Besides, I'm only trying to generate some thinking outside of the box. Of course we have no actual evidence what Jesus' hair was, but it's clearly another boneheaded move on the part of christianity to portray their savior in such a manner (wearing long hair), when their holy book simultaneously speaks against it. Correct?

C'mon dude, I thought you understood what I was doing.

But going back to the original scripture you've quoted. Let's just look at it in its broader context. Here's the whole paragraph:

1 Corinthians 11

13 Judge for yourselves. Is it right for a woman to pray to God in public without covering her head? 14 Isn't it obvious that it's disgraceful for a man to have long hair? 15 And isn't long hair a woman's pride and joy? For it has been given to her as a covering. 16 But if anyone wants to argue about this, I simply say that we have no other custom than this, and neither do God's other churches.

It seems to me that the author is simply strongly stating his opinion on the matter. He recognizes it's not ultimately something that should bring division and appeals to tradition in the matter. This is the same sort of thing that the courts do when they rely on precedent for cases

Overall though, I applaud you for being a critical thinker. Many times we as people, Christians included, don't think things through or even have an adequate understanding of things.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]Thid is why making an image of a Prophet is considered wrong in Islam. It results in pointless arguments plus, if the image is not accurate, it is as though the image-maker is decieving people.MFaraz_Hayat

"Close-Minded" for not accepting proof from some unknown guy on the internet, trying to bash religion on a gaming forum and who might have copied his arguments from some anti-religious site? Am I wrong?

I said that it was pointless to keep arguing. I say it again. Mere saying of this statement is not an argument, my friend?

And I ask you again, who are you to question me about why I am posting on the forum? You were "attempting" to debate with me by questioning that why I am posting? I donot consider this a debate.....(perhaps you do). Btw, I was not in middle of a Debate with you, at all.

Ah-ah. That's ad hominem; it's a logical fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

And, no, I don't copy my arguments from anti-religious sites. You can verify this by copying them into Google and searching as a phrase. I don't see the point; I enjoy debating, it gets the mind going, whereas copy-pasting does not.

Actually, look back. You said: "Thid [sic] is why making an image of a Prophet is considered wrong in Islam. It results in pointless arguments plus, if the image is not accurate, it is as though the image-maker is decieving people." Which I disagreed with:
"I hardly think that not having 'pointless arguments' would take priority over freedom of expression."

So, you post a comment in the middle of a religious debate, and think that you're immune from your points being attacked? It doesn't work like that. And notice that, in fact, you brought up the issue of whether doing this was pointless, which naturally led me to question why you bother, if you're closed-minded and assume that everyone else is too.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Welkabonz"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

I'm pretty sure there is.

LJS9502_basic

I never said they were.

Um, no he's not. Just because speech and expression are not the same thing (which is what I was referring to with 'I never said they were' - in retrospect, it's unclear) doesn't mean there's no such thing as freedom of expression. I've certainly heard it mentioned on the news, in newspapers, on TV, etc. I assume that in the USA, freedom of speech covers all forms of expression, whereas in the UK, freedom of expression is more likely to be used.

*to the original poster

im pretty sure they where talking about hippies

but what ever floats ur boat

jesus was comdemned by god himself,when he told him he was to be crusified

*to the original poster

im pretty sure they where talking about hippies

but what ever floats ur boat

jesus was comdemned by god himself,when he told him he was to be crusified

Pinbi7_basic

:lol: Did they have hippies then?

hippies have always been

they had long hair,smoked pot and where running arround naked

remember that westfalia in the nativity scene? *hint* *hint* *taps nose

hippies have always been

they had long hair,smoked pot and where running arround naked

remember that westfalia in the nativity scene? *hint* *hint* *taps nose

Pinbi7_basic

:lol:

Have a klondike for amusing the llama.
See, I KNEW THAT YOU LIKED THEM! Freaky, eh?

[QUOTE="Pinbi7_basic"]

hippies have always been

they had long hair,smoked pot and where running arround naked

remember that westfalia in the nativity scene? *hint* *hint* *taps nose

Funky_Llama

:lol:

Have a klondike for amusing the llama.
See, I KNEW THAT YOU LIKED THEM! Freaky, eh?

OMG KLONDIKE!

*dies

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Pinbi7_basic"]

hippies have always been

they had long hair,smoked pot and where running arround naked

remember that westfalia in the nativity scene? *hint* *hint* *taps nose

Pinbi7_basic

:lol:

Have a klondike for amusing the llama.
See, I KNEW THAT YOU LIKED THEM! Freaky, eh?

OMG KLONDIKE!

*dies

Pinb7? PPPIIIIINBBBB7! :cry:

[QUOTE="Pinbi7_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Pinbi7_basic"]

hippies have always been

they had long hair,smoked pot and where running arround naked

remember that westfalia in the nativity scene? *hint* *hint* *taps nose

Funky_Llama

:lol:

Have a klondike for amusing the llama.
See, I KNEW THAT YOU LIKED THEM! Freaky, eh?

OMG KLONDIKE!

*dies

Pinb7? PPPIIIIINBBBB7! :cry:

badger,badger,badger,mushroom,mushroom,PINBI7 here comes Pinbi7!

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Pinbi7_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Pinbi7_basic"]

hippies have always been

they had long hair,smoked pot and where running arround naked

remember that westfalia in the nativity scene? *hint* *hint* *taps nose

Pinbi7_basic

:lol:

Have a klondike for amusing the llama.
See, I KNEW THAT YOU LIKED THEM! Freaky, eh?

OMG KLONDIKE!

*dies

Pinb7? PPPIIIIINBBBB7! :cry:

badger,badger,badger,mushroom,mushroom,PINBI7 here comes Pinbi7!

...Hi!

*runs*

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