The Big Bang theory.

[QUOTE="KingJustinII"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="KingJustinII"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="KingJustinII"]

why are we only learning one side, and being taught as though it is a fact, and that the other one is way out of left field?

sSubZerOo

Then move to a school that understands what a theory is...

Yeah screw gravity then! After all its only a SCIENTIFIC THEORY.. Yet you guys never question this theory, could you people be any more hypocritical. We should start teaching the other side of the story, that god made it that way so we wouldn't fly off the planet.

The point stands science is a foundation of understanding. This foundation has a strict system of scrutiny, creationism violates this sytem. Thus why should it be allowed in schools? Theology isn't taught in public schools, Theology is where Creationism is where it should be taught, thus creationism shouldn't be taught in schools.

have you ever heard the word "theory of gravity"

didnt think so :roll:

its actually called the law of gravity, and its common sense. pick up your mouse and let go, i bet you 500 bucks that it falls.

thats just common sense.

Hehe yet the irony of your statements.. We can see the EFFECTS OF GRAVITY, we can not actually see gravity.. Just like Evolution, we can see the effects of evolution but we can not for the most part see actually how evolution took place.

i never said anything about evolution?

No I am pointing out how rediculous yoru statement is, good job avoiding the point. Gravity we can not see, we can see only the effects of it.. In that in mind we can not prove some of the basic fundamentals of it, and scientists CAN'T EVEN FIND THE GRAVITY NEEDED TO KEEP OUR UNIVERSE TO GETHER... INFACT they can only find 30% of the mass needed int he universe to keep the galaxies form flinging them selves apart they named the other 70% dark energy and dark matter and they have no clue what it is.

You don't learn about the creationism in science class because it has no scientific basis, the big bang theory does. That's all.Fortier

[QUOTE="KingJustinII"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="KingJustinII"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="KingJustinII"]

why are we only learning one side, and being taught as though it is a fact, and that the other one is way out of left field?

yoshi-lnex

Then move to a school that understands what a theory is...

Yeah screw gravity then! After all its only a SCIENTIFIC THEORY.. Yet you guys never question this theory, could you people be any more hypocritical. We should start teaching the other side of the story, that god made it that way so we wouldn't fly off the planet.

The point stands science is a foundation of understanding. This foundation has a strict system of scrutiny, creationism violates this sytem. Thus why should it be allowed in schools? Theology isn't taught in public schools, Theology is where Creationism is where it should be taught, thus creationism shouldn't be taught in schools.

have you ever heard the word "theory of gravity"

didnt think so :roll:

its actually called the law of gravity, and its common sense. pick up your mouse and let go, i bet you 500 bucks that it falls.

thats just common sense.

There are only 18 laws of science, and gravity isn't among them, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laws_in_science

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  lol not to mention these fools do not even brush up on subjects that they have no clue about..  Newtons and even Einstien's equations are being scrtuinzed.. Because as it stands scientists have only found roughly 30% of the mass needed in the universe to keep the galaxies together by these equations..  Now if these were true then our galaxies would fling them selves apart, but instead scientists have included the idea of Dark matter and energy.. Something that is complete theory and they have absolutly no idea what it is because they odviouslly can not see it.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="KingJustinII"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="KingJustinII"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="KingJustinII"]

why are we only learning one side, and being taught as though it is a fact, and that the other one is way out of left field?

KingJustinII

Then move to a school that understands what a theory is...

Yeah screw gravity then! After all its only a SCIENTIFIC THEORY.. Yet you guys never question this theory, could you people be any more hypocritical. We should start teaching the other side of the story, that god made it that way so we wouldn't fly off the planet.

The point stands science is a foundation of understanding. This foundation has a strict system of scrutiny, creationism violates this sytem. Thus why should it be allowed in schools? Theology isn't taught in public schools, Theology is where Creationism is where it should be taught, thus creationism shouldn't be taught in schools.

have you ever heard the word "theory of gravity"

didnt think so :roll:

its actually called the law of gravity, and its common sense. pick up your mouse and let go, i bet you 500 bucks that it falls.

thats just common sense.

Hehe yet the irony of your statements.. We can see the EFFECTS OF GRAVITY, we can not actually see gravity.. Just like Evolution, we can see the effects of evolution but we can not for the most part see actually how evolution took place.

i never said anything about evolution?

No I am pointing out how rediculous yoru statement is, good job avoiding the point. Gravity we can not see, we can see only the effects of it.. In that in mind we can not prove some of the basic fundamentals of it, and scientists CAN'T EVEN FIND THE GRAVITY NEEDED TO KEEP OUR UNIVERSE TO GETHER... INFACT they can only find 30% of the mass needed int he universe to keep the galaxies form flinging them selves apart they named the other 70% dark energy and dark matter and they have no clue what it is.

i understand what your saying, i just dont see how this makes what i said rediculous.

i cant see air, but i can breath, so i know its there.

i cant see gravity, but things fall, so i know its there.

[QUOTE="KingJustinII"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="KingJustinII"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="KingJustinII"]

why are we only learning one side, and being taught as though it is a fact, and that the other one is way out of left field?

yoshi-lnex

Then move to a school that understands what a theory is...

Yeah screw gravity then! After all its only a SCIENTIFIC THEORY.. Yet you guys never question this theory, could you people be any more hypocritical. We should start teaching the other side of the story, that god made it that way so we wouldn't fly off the planet.

The point stands science is a foundation of understanding. This foundation has a strict system of scrutiny, creationism violates this sytem. Thus why should it be allowed in schools? Theology isn't taught in public schools, Theology is where Creationism is where it should be taught, thus creationism shouldn't be taught in schools.

have you ever heard the word "theory of gravity"

didnt think so :roll:

its actually called the law of gravity, and its common sense. pick up your mouse and let go, i bet you 500 bucks that it falls.

thats just common sense.

There are only 18 laws of science, and gravity isn't among them, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laws_in_science

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You don't learn about the creationism in science class because it has no scientific basis, the big bang theory does. That's all.Fortier

but we're learning about the creation of the universe. NOTHING about it is fact, we werent there, we dont know. My belief in a greater being creating the universe is just as valid as the belief that it just randomly 'came to be', and im not saying theres something completely wrong with that belief, im just saying, if neither is fact, then we shouldnt learn either.

in english, we read romeo and juliet. We learned that while the story is fictional, it is possible that there was a romeo and a juliet, or even 2 totally different people who the story is based uppon. We learned that none of those were proven, and we could take it as we saw it.

i dont see why this should be any different? 

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="KingJustinII"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="KingJustinII"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="KingJustinII"]

why are we only learning one side, and being taught as though it is a fact, and that the other one is way out of left field?

Chessy_Nachos

Then move to a school that understands what a theory is...

Yeah screw gravity then! After all its only a SCIENTIFIC THEORY.. Yet you guys never question this theory, could you people be any more hypocritical. We should start teaching the other side of the story, that god made it that way so we wouldn't fly off the planet.

The point stands science is a foundation of understanding. This foundation has a strict system of scrutiny, creationism violates this sytem. Thus why should it be allowed in schools? Theology isn't taught in public schools, Theology is where Creationism is where it should be taught, thus creationism shouldn't be taught in schools.

have you ever heard the word "theory of gravity"

didnt think so :roll:

its actually called the law of gravity, and its common sense. pick up your mouse and let go, i bet you 500 bucks that it falls.

thats just common sense.

There are only 18 laws of science, and gravity isn't among them, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laws_in_science

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  as I said earlier these are under scrutinization, nothign is absolute in science not even laws..  As it stands our galaxy is infact contridicting these equations in multiple areas..  For instance for some reason outer suns of the galaxy are moving the exact same pseed as inner most stars to the center of the galaxy.

well, just so every one knows, im not done, im sure i'll still have some debating to do for tomorrow.

and no, i havent 'been pwnd' and no im not giving in or anything, ive just got to get up early tomorrow and im freaking tired so, i'll be back ;) 

[QUOTE="Fortier"]You don't learn about the creationism in science class because it has no scientific basis, the big bang theory does. That's all.KingJustinII

but we're learning about the creation of the universe. NOTHING about it is fact, we werent there, we dont know. My belief in a greater being creating the universe is just as valid as the belief that it just randomly 'came to be', and im not saying theres something completely wrong with that belief, im just saying, if neither is fact, then we shouldnt learn either.

in english, we read romeo and juliet. We learned that while the story is fictional, it is possible that there was a romeo and a juliet, or even 2 totally different people who the story is based uppon. We learned that none of those were proven, and we could take it as we saw it.

i dont see why this should be any different? 

  Romeo and Juliet is a dumb comparison..  Creationism is ment to be literal and not metaphorical/exgeratted.  Notice that its taught under english and NOT HISTORY, that material is specifically read because of its literature value as a timeless classic showing students how many forms of writing are used.  It has nothing to do with actuallity.

well, just so every one knows, im not done, im sure i'll still have some debating to do for tomorrow.

 

and no, i havent 'been pwnd' and no im not giving in or anything, ive just got to get up early tomorrow and im freaking tired so, i'll be back ;) 

KingJustinII

  You were already pawned 200+ years ago from a document who stated that the government may not support a establishment of religion.  That document is called The Constiution the blue prints of our nation.  Allowing any form of Creationism in the science room contridcts the very foundations of science, not to mention injects religion into a public school which is a clear violation of our Bill of rights.

[QUOTE="Fortier"]You don't learn about the creationism in science class because it has no scientific basis, the big bang theory does. That's all.KingJustinII

but we're learning about the creation of the universe. NOTHING about it is fact, we werent there, we dont know. My belief in a greater being creating the universe is just as valid as the belief that it just randomly 'came to be', and im not saying theres something completely wrong with that belief, im just saying, if neither is fact, then we shouldnt learn either.

in english, we read romeo and juliet. We learned that while the story is fictional, it is possible that there was a romeo and a juliet, or even 2 totally different people who the story is based uppon. We learned that none of those were proven, and we could take it as we saw it.

i dont see why this should be any different?

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="KingJustinII"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="KingJustinII"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="KingJustinII"]

why are we only learning one side, and being taught as though it is a fact, and that the other one is way out of left field?

Chessy_Nachos

Then move to a school that understands what a theory is...

Yeah screw gravity then! After all its only a SCIENTIFIC THEORY.. Yet you guys never question this theory, could you people be any more hypocritical. We should start teaching the other side of the story, that god made it that way so we wouldn't fly off the planet.

The point stands science is a foundation of understanding. This foundation has a strict system of scrutiny, creationism violates this sytem. Thus why should it be allowed in schools? Theology isn't taught in public schools, Theology is where Creationism is where it should be taught, thus creationism shouldn't be taught in schools.

have you ever heard the word "theory of gravity"

didnt think so :roll:

its actually called the law of gravity, and its common sense. pick up your mouse and let go, i bet you 500 bucks that it falls.

thats just common sense.

There are only 18 laws of science, and gravity isn't among them, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laws_in_science

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The Big Bang theory is barely fact. Redshifting and Blueshifting have mostly to do with planets and distance, as far as I'm concerned. It's evidence that our Universe is expanding, but at the same time, Blueshifting can occur.

The Big Bang theory states that the Universe started out as a small singularity and then EXPANDED. It didn't EXPLODE, it didn't just MORPH straight into what it is today, it Expanded. And slowly. Until dust and whatnot developed into planets. That's basically a summary.

Creationism states that God was the creator of Heaven and Earth. He saw to the construction of all living and non-living things. People say "WELL HOW DID GOD MAKE THE WORLD IN A MATTER OF DAYS?!" He's God, stupid, He can do that.

Neither one has been proven. Creationism can't be taught in schools because if you're teaching the Christian version you're ignoring all other religions. And there's really no way of teaching every Religion's view on Creationism. While I believe in the Big Bang theory to an extent, I think that parts of it are BS.

And people that give half arsed remarkes to people who believe in God are on my sh*t list. Get over yourselfs. If you're an Atheist, that's fine by me, but don't flaunt your Godless lifestyle to other people if you don't want their side of the story to begin with. I'm Agnostic. Science has yet to disprove Religion as a whole, and vice versa. That's my take.

Argue away with my post. 

And there's really no way of teaching every Religion's view on CreationismConflict-Zero

I'm not saying teach every single religions view. Its not like im asking for the school to teach about the flying speghitti monster, i just want people to be able to form their own decisions on the creation of the universe, and the best way to do this would be to teach about the big bang and 5-10 major religions views, not pushing any of them on anyone, and saying that none are 100% fact. This wouldnt take any more than one class period, and as long as your not forcing beliefs down anyones throats (which is what their doing right now) its not unconstitutional in any way.

nothing is fact, so everything should taught, or nothing should, its as simple as that.

You were already pawned 200+ years ago from a document who stated that the government may not support a establishment of religion. That document is called The Constiution the blue prints of our nation. Allowing any form of Creationism in the science room contridcts the very foundations of science, not to mention injects religion into a public school which is a clear violation of our Bill of rights.sSubZerOo

Are you that stupid?  It's called Seperation of Church and State. That doesn't mean they're not supporting an Established religion. 

As far as I'm concerned Science has yet to show how we truly came to be. Who knows, dude. Never put your trust fully in a theory. The outcome is a mathmatical clusterf***. 

Maybe God made the Big bang?cool_baller

Yea, thats kinda what I belive, I belive in God and Christanity, yet the proof that the big bang is real is pretty conclusive. You know, the big bang "echos" and stuff.

[QUOTE="Conflict-Zero"]And there's really no way of teaching every Religion's view on CreationismKingJustinII

I'm not saying teach every single religions view. Its not like im asking for the school to teach about the flying speghitti monster, i just want people to be able to form their own decisions on the creation of the universe, and the best way to do this would be to teach about the big bang and 5-10 major religions views, not pushing any of them on anyone, and saying that none are 100% fact. This wouldnt take any more than one class period, and as long as your not forcing beliefs down anyones throats (which is what their doing right now) its not unconstitutional in any way.

nothing is fact, so everything should taught, or nothing should, its as simple as that.

Becasue they assumed the universe to be of finite size only as far as thier hubble radio telescopes can see, hubble telescope look at a spot for 11 days and found taht the universe was bigger than they thought it was by a signifact amount. hey i am just sayingChessy_Nachos

My class likes to explore every possibility when discussing theorys. I will accept every thoery out there, so long as its not total BS (like "teh Barney did it! lol")

Because the big bang theory involves SCIENCE. Religion provides NO answers to any of the questions on how the universe was created, except how 'everything got there.'helium_flash

Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers. Ask a Priest and he'll tell you the story of Man. Either way, they're both telling stories that haven't been proven or disproven. Stop taking theories as fact and open your damn eyes for a change. 

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]Because the big bang theory involves SCIENCE. Religion provides NO answers to any of the questions on how the universe was created, except how 'everything got there.'Conflict-Zero

Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers. Ask a Priest and he'll tell you the story of Man. Either way, they're both telling stories that haven't been proven or disproven. Stop taking theories as fact and open your damn eyes for a change.

The Big Bang theory is barely fact. Redshifting and Blueshifting have mostly to do with planets and distance, as far as I'm concerned. It's evidence that our Universe is expanding, but at the same time, Blueshifting can occur.

 

The Big Bang theory states that the Universe started out as a small singularity and then EXPANDED. It didn't EXPLODE, it didn't just MORPH straight into what it is today, it Expanded. And slowly. Until dust and whatnot developed into planets. That's basically a summary.

 

Creationism states that God was the creator of Heaven and Earth. He saw to the construction of all living and non-living things. People say "WELL HOW DID GOD MAKE THE WORLD IN A MATTER OF DAYS?!" He's God, stupid, He can do that.

 

Neither one has been proven. Creationism can't be taught in schools because if you're teaching the Christian version you're ignoring all other religions. And there's really no way of teaching every Religion's view on Creationism. While I believe in the Big Bang theory to an extent, I think that parts of it are BS.

 

And people that give half arsed remarkes to people who believe in God are on my sh*t list. Get over yourselfs. If you're an Atheist, that's fine by me, but don't flaunt your Godless lifestyle to other people if you don't want their side of the story to begin with. I'm Agnostic. Science has yet to disprove Religion as a whole, and vice versa. That's my take.

 

Argue away with my post. 

Conflict-Zero

I notice the Bible part where God creatted the Earth is very similar to what it is really like, as in swirling dust, clouds, smoke and what not, it never exactly says "and after he put down the hills, he threw a couple of trees here and their"

[QUOTE="Conflict-Zero"]

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]Because the big bang theory involves SCIENCE. Religion provides NO answers to any of the questions on how the universe was created, except how 'everything got there.'quiglythegreat

Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers. Ask a Priest and he'll tell you the story of Man. Either way, they're both telling stories that haven't been proven or disproven. Stop taking theories as fact and open your damn eyes for a change.

The Bible has also been revised many times. I've talked with multiple Christians and Catholics who believe otherwise about the Earth's age. At the same time, they used many different methods of Time Measurement back then, so it remains uncertain. 

The Big Bang Theory doesn't have to be true in order for their to not be a "creator".trix5817

...And God doesn't have to not exist for there to not be a Big Bang. 

[QUOTE="Conflict-Zero"]

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]Because the big bang theory involves SCIENCE. Religion provides NO answers to any of the questions on how the universe was created, except how 'everything got there.'quiglythegreat

Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers. Ask a Priest and he'll tell you the story of Man. Either way, they're both telling stories that haven't been proven or disproven. Stop taking theories as fact and open your damn eyes for a change.

No, your wrong, humans and dinosaurs coexisted. The Flinstones prove this. Jeez, everyone knows that......(sarcasm) 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Having Creationism infringed on Public Schools, violates this very idea because your infact putting one above the other.. EVEN IF YOU DO MULTIPLE RELIGIONS they are still going to leave out some so it will still be bias and still violate this idea no matter what. As I said earlier I am not stating Big Bang to be absolute truth.. But it does belong in SCIENCE, Creationism does not.. There has been no scientific proof on it, and it contridicts the entire idea of science it self.

So as it stands his idea is still pawned by the Constitution on how all COURTS interpret it. Thus why every chance creationism and intelligent design has been infringed on schools has been struck down every turn.

The Bible has also been revised many times. I've talked with multiple Christians and Catholics who believe otherwise about the Earth's age. At the same time, they used many different methods of Time Measurement back then, so it remains uncertain.

Conflict-Zero

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Having Creationism infringed on Public Schools, violates this very idea because your infact putting one above the other.. EVEN IF YOU DO MULTIPLE RELIGIONS they are still going to leave out some so it will still be bias and still violate this idea no matter what. As I said earlier I am not stating Big Bang to be absolute truth.. But it does belong in SCIENCE, Creationism does not.. There has been no scientific proof on it, and it contridicts the entire idea of science it self.

So as it stands his idea is still pawned by the Constitution on how all COURTS interpret it. Thus why every chance creationism and intelligent design has been infringed on schools has been struck down every turn.

sSubZerOo

Thanks for the history lesson, Einstein, already knew everything there. 

[QUOTE="Conflict-Zero"]

The Bible has also been revised many times. I've talked with multiple Christians and Catholics who believe otherwise about the Earth's age. At the same time, they used many different methods of Time Measurement back then, so it remains uncertain.

quiglythegreat

Definitely. There is proof to an extent when it comes to the Big Bang theory, but one side can't really be stuck to. 

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Conflict-Zero"]

The Bible has also been revised many times. I've talked with multiple Christians and Catholics who believe otherwise about the Earth's age. At the same time, they used many different methods of Time Measurement back then, so it remains uncertain.

Conflict-Zero

Definitely. There is proof to an extent when it comes to the Big Bang theory, but one side can't really be stuck to.

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]Because the big bang theory involves SCIENCE. Religion provides NO answers to any of the questions on how the universe was created, except how 'everything got there.'Conflict-Zero

Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers. Ask a Priest and he'll tell you the story of Man. Either way, they're both telling stories that haven't been proven or disproven. Stop taking theories as fact and open your damn eyes for a change.

Shut up you conceited jerk.  Now you're just BS'ing and it's so obvious.  "Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers."  WELL NO CRAP!  Science involves HUGE numbers, nothing that you can just do in your head.  If you ask a priest these questions, he'll just say "God made it that way."  Yea, great explanation.

Scientists are able to answer many questions with more than 'estimates' (what an obscure answer).  The universe IS expanding, which means that if we just turn back the clock, everything came from ONE POINT, which is where the big bang comes in.  There have been many theories to how the universe was created,  and the Big Bang theory has been the most accurate to what scientists have found.  There are still holes in it, but as time progresses i'm sure scientists will be able to figure out those problems.

So,  do you also consider every other theory to how the universe was created?  Or do you just pick and choose?

Religion doesn't use ANY evidence, and doesn't provide any logic in it, just blind faith.  I think YOU should open your eyes to that. 

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Having Creationism infringed on Public Schools, violates this very idea because your infact putting one above the other.. EVEN IF YOU DO MULTIPLE RELIGIONS they are still going to leave out some so it will still be bias and still violate this idea no matter what. As I said earlier I am not stating Big Bang to be absolute truth.. But it does belong in SCIENCE, Creationism does not.. There has been no scientific proof on it, and it contridicts the entire idea of science it self.

So as it stands his idea is still pawned by the Constitution on how all COURTS interpret it. Thus why every chance creationism and intelligent design has been infringed on schools has been struck down every turn.

Conflict-Zero

Thanks for the history lesson, Einstein, already knew everything there. 

  Thus making this arguement irrelevent, because the Constitution is far more important then any beliefs or ideas when it comes to how our country has been formed..  

   Teaching Creationism in schools violates this, end of story thus why it should not be taught in school.  The Big Bang Theory should be taught because its from the science community, a study that is accepted in education not to mention uses research that is unbias with the use of multple facts.  Science never tries to say so and so is fact, just that how far their understanding is going.  The Big Bang probably is wrong in most areas, but thats the great part about science ITS THE EVER IMPROVING UNDERSTANDING of our enviroment, Creationism for the most part is unbending and has/will never improve.. Infact places such the vatican only recently (30 years ago) finally accepted that the earth went around the sun....

[QUOTE="Conflict-Zero"]

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]Because the big bang theory involves SCIENCE. Religion provides NO answers to any of the questions on how the universe was created, except how 'everything got there.'helium_flash

Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers. Ask a Priest and he'll tell you the story of Man. Either way, they're both telling stories that haven't been proven or disproven. Stop taking theories as fact and open your damn eyes for a change.

Shut up you conceited jerk. Now you're just BS'ing and it's so obvious. "Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers." WELL NO CRAP! Science involves HUGE numbers, nothing that you can just do in your head. If you ask a priest these questions, he'll just say "God made it that way." Yea, great explanation.

Scientists are able to answer many questions with more than 'estimates' (what an obscure answer). The universe IS expanding, which means that if we just turn back the clock, everything came from ONE POINT, which is where the big bang comes in. There have been many theories to how the universe was created, and the Big Bang theory has been the most accurate to what scientists have found. There are still holes in it, but as time progresses i'm sure scientists will be able to figure out those problems.

So, do you also consider every other theory to how the universe was created? Or do you just pick and choose?

Religion doesn't use ANY evidence, and doesn't provide any logic in it, just blind faith. I think YOU should open your eyes to that.

First off, how am I conceited in any way? Sorry for trying to diversify the mood a bit, I guess you're all just so damn close minded that you can't even be accepting of people who see it any other way than your own.

The universe is expanding, no doubt. Let's take a moment and combine creationism with Science. I know it's extremely contradictory but just bear with me. Let's assume God comes about and creates the Universe. He throws in a way for things to start expanding. We come into play as inhabitants of Planet Earth later on and stuff starts expanding. We make theories that the Big Bang happened and that everything's been expanding since the beginning (sigularity).

  If someone sees a basketball bouncing, did somebody make it bounce, or did it fall off the balcony from some wind? You wouldn't know unless you were there when it happened.

[QUOTE="Conflict-Zero"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Having Creationism infringed on Public Schools, violates this very idea because your infact putting one above the other.. EVEN IF YOU DO MULTIPLE RELIGIONS they are still going to leave out some so it will still be bias and still violate this idea no matter what. As I said earlier I am not stating Big Bang to be absolute truth.. But it does belong in SCIENCE, Creationism does not.. There has been no scientific proof on it, and it contridicts the entire idea of science it self.

So as it stands his idea is still pawned by the Constitution on how all COURTS interpret it. Thus why every chance creationism and intelligent design has been infringed on schools has been struck down every turn.

sSubZerOo

Thanks for the history lesson, Einstein, already knew everything there.

Thus making this arguement irrelevent, because the Constitution is far more important then any beliefs or ideas when it comes to how our country has been formed..

Teaching Creationism in schools violates this, end of story thus why it should not be taught in school. The Big Bang Theory should be taught because its from the science community, a study that is accepted in education not to mention uses research that is unbias with the use of multple facts. Science never tries to say so and so is fact, just that how far their understanding is going. The Big Bang probably is wrong in most areas, but thats the great part about science ITS THE EVER IMPROVING UNDERSTANDING of our enviroment, Creationism for the most part is unbending and has/will never improve.. Infact places such the vatican only recently (30 years ago) finally accepted that the earth went around the sun....

Things like a Heliocentric Solar System were accepted a while before then but just not recognized as a whole. Churches will believe it but maybe the Vatican won't. The argument isn't "irrelevent" just because you bring the Constitution into play. We're being hypothetical. We're not stupid, we know that Creationism will never reach Public Schools. What we're saying is that if either one isn't fully proven then why teach one or the other? 

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[QUOTE="helium_flash"]Because the big bang theory involves SCIENCE. Religion provides NO answers to any of the questions on how the universe was created, except how 'everything got there.'Conflict-Zero

Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers. Ask a Priest and he'll tell you the story of Man. Either way, they're both telling stories that haven't been proven or disproven. Stop taking theories as fact and open your damn eyes for a change.

Shut up you conceited jerk. Now you're just BS'ing and it's so obvious. "Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers." WELL NO CRAP! Science involves HUGE numbers, nothing that you can just do in your head. If you ask a priest these questions, he'll just say "God made it that way." Yea, great explanation.

Scientists are able to answer many questions with more than 'estimates' (what an obscure answer). The universe IS expanding, which means that if we just turn back the clock, everything came from ONE POINT, which is where the big bang comes in. There have been many theories to how the universe was created, and the Big Bang theory has been the most accurate to what scientists have found. There are still holes in it, but as time progresses i'm sure scientists will be able to figure out those problems.

So, do you also consider every other theory to how the universe was created? Or do you just pick and choose?

Religion doesn't use ANY evidence, and doesn't provide any logic in it, just blind faith. I think YOU should open your eyes to that.

First off, how am I conceited in any way? Sorry for trying to diversify the mood a bit, I guess you're all just so damn close minded that you can't even be accepting of people who see it any other way than your own.

The universe is expanding, no doubt. Let's take a moment and combine creationism with Science. I know it's extremely contradictory but just bear with me. Let's assume God comes about and creates the Universe. He throws in a way for things to start expanding. We come into play as inhabitants of Planet Earth later on and stuff starts expanding. We make theories that the Big Bang happened and that everything's been expanding since the beginning (sigularity).

  If someone sees a basketball bouncing, did somebody make it bounce, or did it fall off the balcony from some wind? You wouldn't know unless you were there when it happened.

  .... Thats the funny part science doesn't say on what caused the ball to fall..  Just that it fell..  Religion some how magically knows who dropped the ball yet they were not there.. 

   Science for the most part has found evidence that there was s explosion that brought the birth of the universe, not what neccesarly caused it (there are theories but not anything thats accepted or even thought about) or why it happened.   
 

  Creationism knows eactly how, why and who did it, by your argument alone Creationism is far more contridictory then any ideas of Science..

The big bang is provable. God isn't. Read "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking.CptJSparrow

The Big Bang is only provable by a few ways. God is provable by many. Although ways of proving God may seem Childish and illogical, that's the Church's way of proving God. The Big Bang is provable among much higher standards. That doesn't make one better than the other. 

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Having Creationism infringed on Public Schools, violates this very idea because your infact putting one above the other.. EVEN IF YOU DO MULTIPLE RELIGIONS they are still going to leave out some so it will still be bias and still violate this idea no matter what. As I said earlier I am not stating Big Bang to be absolute truth.. But it does belong in SCIENCE, Creationism does not.. There has been no scientific proof on it, and it contridicts the entire idea of science it self.

So as it stands his idea is still pawned by the Constitution on how all COURTS interpret it. Thus why every chance creationism and intelligent design has been infringed on schools has been struck down every turn.

Conflict-Zero

Thanks for the history lesson, Einstein, already knew everything there.

Thus making this arguement irrelevent, because the Constitution is far more important then any beliefs or ideas when it comes to how our country has been formed..

Teaching Creationism in schools violates this, end of story thus why it should not be taught in school. The Big Bang Theory should be taught because its from the science community, a study that is accepted in education not to mention uses research that is unbias with the use of multple facts. Science never tries to say so and so is fact, just that how far their understanding is going. The Big Bang probably is wrong in most areas, but thats the great part about science ITS THE EVER IMPROVING UNDERSTANDING of our enviroment, Creationism for the most part is unbending and has/will never improve.. Infact places such the vatican only recently (30 years ago) finally accepted that the earth went around the sun....

Things like a Heliocentric Solar System were accepted a while before then but just not recognized as a whole. Churches will believe it but maybe the Vatican won't. The argument isn't "irrelevent" just because you bring the Constitution into play. We're being hypothetical. We're not stupid, we know that Creationism will never reach Public Schools. What we're saying is that if either one isn't fully proven then why teach one or the other? 

   Gravity is a theory too buddy, maybe we shouldn't teach that?  Infact some of the fundamental equations such as Newton's law has been called into question to being absolute. 

   As it stands its the Science Community, none of their ideas are hardcore facts just theories that are constantly imrpoving..  If they ever became solid then there would be nothing to learn....   As long as their Science in these areas with conclusivie evidence from the worlds brightest minds I would think it would be dumb to ignore their ideas..  After all Science is the learning of all our surroundings that has fueled our tehcnoligcal advancement for the thousands of years.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]The big bang is provable. God isn't. Read "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking.Conflict-Zero

The Big Bang is only provable by a few ways. God is provable by many. Although ways of proving God may seem Childish and illogical, that's the Church's way of proving God. The Big Bang is provable among much higher standards. That doesn't make one better than the other.

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[QUOTE="helium_flash"]Because the big bang theory involves SCIENCE. Religion provides NO answers to any of the questions on how the universe was created, except how 'everything got there.'Conflict-Zero

Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers. Ask a Priest and he'll tell you the story of Man. Either way, they're both telling stories that haven't been proven or disproven. Stop taking theories as fact and open your damn eyes for a change.

Shut up you conceited jerk. Now you're just BS'ing and it's so obvious. "Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers." WELL NO CRAP! Science involves HUGE numbers, nothing that you can just do in your head. If you ask a priest these questions, he'll just say "God made it that way." Yea, great explanation.

Scientists are able to answer many questions with more than 'estimates' (what an obscure answer). The universe IS expanding, which means that if we just turn back the clock, everything came from ONE POINT, which is where the big bang comes in. There have been many theories to how the universe was created, and the Big Bang theory has been the most accurate to what scientists have found. There are still holes in it, but as time progresses i'm sure scientists will be able to figure out those problems.

So, do you also consider every other theory to how the universe was created? Or do you just pick and choose?

Religion doesn't use ANY evidence, and doesn't provide any logic in it, just blind faith. I think YOU should open your eyes to that.

First off, how am I conceited in any way? Sorry for trying to diversify the mood a bit, I guess you're all just so damn close minded that you can't even be accepting of people who see it any other way than your own.

How are you conceited?  How about assuming we are all close minded and that you are right?  MAYBE THAT'S WHY?  I mean, i don't know, could maybe, possible, thousands of scientists that have degrees in science who also back up the big bang theory be right over some random forum poster?  Religion is the MOST close minded thing you can believe.

Also, you are ASSUMING everything!  "Assume that a creator made the expansion of the univers...," but really, that's all you are doing.  ASSUMING.  With no evidence.  Therefore, you have no argument.  And aren't arguments all about evidence?

Science is all about evidence.  Creationism provides no evidence beyond blind faith.  That's why they shouldn't and hopefully won't teach it in schools.

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[QUOTE="helium_flash"]Because the big bang theory involves SCIENCE. Religion provides NO answers to any of the questions on how the universe was created, except how 'everything got there.'sSubZerOo

Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers. Ask a Priest and he'll tell you the story of Man. Either way, they're both telling stories that haven't been proven or disproven. Stop taking theories as fact and open your damn eyes for a change.

Shut up you conceited jerk. Now you're just BS'ing and it's so obvious. "Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers." WELL NO CRAP! Science involves HUGE numbers, nothing that you can just do in your head. If you ask a priest these questions, he'll just say "God made it that way." Yea, great explanation.

Scientists are able to answer many questions with more than 'estimates' (what an obscure answer). The universe IS expanding, which means that if we just turn back the clock, everything came from ONE POINT, which is where the big bang comes in. There have been many theories to how the universe was created, and the Big Bang theory has been the most accurate to what scientists have found. There are still holes in it, but as time progresses i'm sure scientists will be able to figure out those problems.

So, do you also consider every other theory to how the universe was created? Or do you just pick and choose?

Religion doesn't use ANY evidence, and doesn't provide any logic in it, just blind faith. I think YOU should open your eyes to that.

First off, how am I conceited in any way? Sorry for trying to diversify the mood a bit, I guess you're all just so damn close minded that you can't even be accepting of people who see it any other way than your own.

The universe is expanding, no doubt. Let's take a moment and combine creationism with Science. I know it's extremely contradictory but just bear with me. Let's assume God comes about and creates the Universe. He throws in a way for things to start expanding. We come into play as inhabitants of Planet Earth later on and stuff starts expanding. We make theories that the Big Bang happened and that everything's been expanding since the beginning (sigularity).

If someone sees a basketball bouncing, did somebody make it bounce, or did it fall off the balcony from some wind? You wouldn't know unless you were there when it happened.

.... Thats the funny part science doesn't say on what caused the ball to fall.. Just that it fell.. Religion some how magically knows who dropped the ball yet they were not there..

Science for the most part has found evidence that there was s explosion that brought the birth of the universe, not what neccesarly caused it (there are theories but not anything thats accepted or even thought about) or why it happened.

Creationism knows eactly how, why and who did it, by your argument alone Creationism is far more contridictory then any ideas of Science..

If Science just says "The Ball fell" then that's just as simple as "God made the Universe". Congratulations, you've just contradicted yourself.

There wasn't an EXPLOSION for Christ's sake (lol, Christ...) it was an Expansion, slow and steady.  If there was an Explosion, we could go on and on about what exploded and how it went about exploding.

Creationism doesn't know "How, why, and who did it", otherwise everything would be clear.

By the way, the argument "WHO CREATED GOD" is stupid. If you already don't believe in God then why shake a stick at people that do? 

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kids go to school to learn EVERY POSSIBLE thing they can before they become adults and have to form their own opinions and make their own decisions.

 

if neither one can be completely proven, why arent we learning both?

Some kids could go through their entire life believing this is 100% fact, because thats how its taught in school, and thats just ignorance at its finest, which is one of the biggest problems in america.

 

Its not that people are un-intelegent, our country is very intelegent, theres just alot of ignorant people.

KingJustinII

its religion, kids out there have many different religions. Church,sunday school set up for a areason, so those who actually believe can learn and those that dont like me dont have to sit through the ****

but then kids like them have to sit through this ****.

all im saying is if neither one is a fact, then we should be learning both, or neither.

and theres absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 You're in science class. You are looking at the scientific viewpoint of creation, not the religious one. If you want to learn about that, attend church or a catholic school.

If Science just says "The Ball fell" then that's just as simple as "God made the Universe". Congratulations, you've just contradicted yourself.

 

Conflict-Zero

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]The big bang is provable. God isn't. Read "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking.quiglythegreat

The Big Bang is only provable by a few ways. God is provable by many. Although ways of proving God may seem Childish and illogical, that's the Church's way of proving God. The Big Bang is provable among much higher standards. That doesn't make one better than the other.

Although ways of proving God may seem Childish and illogical, that's the Church's way of proving God. 

Conflict-Zero

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Conflict-Zero"][QUOTE="helium_flash"][QUOTE="Conflict-Zero"]

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]Because the big bang theory involves SCIENCE. Religion provides NO answers to any of the questions on how the universe was created, except how 'everything got there.'Conflict-Zero

Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers. Ask a Priest and he'll tell you the story of Man. Either way, they're both telling stories that haven't been proven or disproven. Stop taking theories as fact and open your damn eyes for a change.

Shut up you conceited jerk. Now you're just BS'ing and it's so obvious. "Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers." WELL NO CRAP! Science involves HUGE numbers, nothing that you can just do in your head. If you ask a priest these questions, he'll just say "God made it that way." Yea, great explanation.

Scientists are able to answer many questions with more than 'estimates' (what an obscure answer). The universe IS expanding, which means that if we just turn back the clock, everything came from ONE POINT, which is where the big bang comes in. There have been many theories to how the universe was created, and the Big Bang theory has been the most accurate to what scientists have found. There are still holes in it, but as time progresses i'm sure scientists will be able to figure out those problems.

So, do you also consider every other theory to how the universe was created? Or do you just pick and choose?

Religion doesn't use ANY evidence, and doesn't provide any logic in it, just blind faith. I think YOU should open your eyes to that.

First off, how am I conceited in any way? Sorry for trying to diversify the mood a bit, I guess you're all just so damn close minded that you can't even be accepting of people who see it any other way than your own.

The universe is expanding, no doubt. Let's take a moment and combine creationism with Science. I know it's extremely contradictory but just bear with me. Let's assume God comes about and creates the Universe. He throws in a way for things to start expanding. We come into play as inhabitants of Planet Earth later on and stuff starts expanding. We make theories that the Big Bang happened and that everything's been expanding since the beginning (sigularity).

If someone sees a basketball bouncing, did somebody make it bounce, or did it fall off the balcony from some wind? You wouldn't know unless you were there when it happened.

.... Thats the funny part science doesn't say on what caused the ball to fall.. Just that it fell.. Religion some how magically knows who dropped the ball yet they were not there..

Science for the most part has found evidence that there was s explosion that brought the birth of the universe, not what neccesarly caused it (there are theories but not anything thats accepted or even thought about) or why it happened.

Creationism knows eactly how, why and who did it, by your argument alone Creationism is far more contridictory then any ideas of Science..

If Science just says "The Ball fell" then that's just as simple as "God made the Universe". Congratulations, you've just contradicted yourself.

There wasn't an EXPLOSION for Christ's sake (lol, Christ...) it was an Expansion, slow and steady.  If there was an Explosion, we could go on and on about what exploded and how it went about exploding.

Creationism doesn't know "How, why, and who did it", otherwise everything would be clear.

By the way, the argument "WHO CREATED GOD" is stupid. If you already don't believe in God then why shake a stick at people that do? 

--Big Bang Theory, currently accepted explanation of the beginning of the universe. The big bang theory proposes that the universe was once extremely compact, dense, and hot. Some original event, a cosmic explosion called the big bang, occurred about 13.7 billion years ago, and the universe has since been expanding and cooling.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570694/Big_Bang_Theory.html

  Hmm right buddy, thats why the big bang theory postulates that there was a explosion..