The Big Bang theory.

howd god get therexboxrox11

[QUOTE="Conflict-Zero"]

Although ways of proving God may seem Childish and illogical, that's the Church's way of proving God.

yoshi-lnex

Religion is there to answer questions science can not explain.  That does not make it correct.

Everyone has their own beliefs. That does not make them right or wrong either.

Both are theories, and none are right or wrong. Until proven anything is possible. I could have made the universe... or the Big Bang was just my fart atoms :) 

Religion is there to answer questions science can not explain.

cloudstrife75

[QUOTE="cloudstrife75"]

Religion is there to answer questions science can not explain.

CptJSparrow

why do people post on GS?

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="cloudstrife75"]

Religion is there to answer questions science can not explain.

still_thinking

why do people post on GS?

it's a load of crap! just like evolutionstill_thinking

Go to a christian school if you want to learn about christian beliefs :roll:Silchas

Look up the definition of "theory" The Big Band theory. God isn't a theory, it's an actual belief...munu9

[QUOTE="Silchas"]Go to a christian school if you want to learn about christian beliefs :roll:Carlos_Santana

[QUOTE="cloudstrife75"]

Religion is there to answer questions science can not explain.

CptJSparrow

How things started. Clearly this thread is an example of it.

"God created the Earth."

How did people come on the planet? "God created Adam and Eve"

Science slashed this down with:

"Universe was created by millions of years of dust and gases coming together blah blah...Big Bang"

"People started from an evolution from single-cell organisms to multi-celled organisms, to land and water organisms, to sub classes of species of multi-cell organisms of land and water..." 

[QUOTE="munu9"]Look up the definition of "theory" The Big Band theory. God isn't a theory, it's an actual belief...CptJSparrow

I like these ones better:

1.a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.

2.a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.

3.Mathematics. a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.

4.the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.

5.a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles.

Dictionary.com

Well, if it's in Science class it's different. I'm Christian, by the way. God isn't very...scientific, so to speak. The Big Bang theory involves Astronomy, which is a branch of Science, thus making it valid for that class. Theology isn't a branch of Science, rather than a study of beliefs. One could say Religion is more of a philosophy nonetheless.

So, God and the Big Bang theory aren't very related in what form of education they are c|assified as. Although I believe that God exists.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="cloudstrife75"]

Religion is there to answer questions science can not explain.

cloudstrife75

How things started. Clearly this thread is an example of it.

"God created the Earth."

How did people come on the planet? "God created Adam and Eve"

Science slashed this down with:

"Universe was created by millions of years of dust and gases coming together blah blah...Big Bang"

"People started from an evolution from single-cell organisms to multi-celled organisms, to land and water organisms, to sub classes of species of multi-cell organisms of land and water..."

I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, I'm attempting to open people's minds a bit.

As for Evolution, I'm very skeptical. I don't think religion plays much into what I think of Evolution. This is the problem I've posed:

As things Evolve they leave their previous form behind. For instance, at one point Dolphins had legs and could walk AND swim. As they evolved, they lost their legs and are now primarily Swimmers. If we evolved from Chimps, then I can't see how there's still Chimps in existence. Very skeptical.

I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, I'm attempting to open people's minds a bit.

 

As for Evolution, I'm very skeptical. I don't think religion plays much into what I think of Evolution. This is the problem I've posed:

 

As things Evolve they leave their previous form behind. For instance, at one point Dolphins had legs and could walk AND swim. As they evolved, they lost their legs and are now primarily Swimmers. If we evolved from Chimps, then I can't see how there's still Chimps in existence. Very skeptical.

Conflict-Zero

I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, I'm attempting to open people's minds a bit.

As for Evolution, I'm very skeptical. I don't think religion plays much into what I think of Evolution. This is the problem I've posed:

As things Evolve they leave their previous form behind. For instance, at one point Dolphins had legs and could walk AND swim. As they evolved, they lost their legs and are now primarily Swimmers. If we evolved from Chimps, then I can't see how there's still Chimps in existence. Very skeptical.

Conflict-Zero

Its such a joke, seriously.

 

i'm so ****ing sick of learning about it in school, they talk about it like its a solid fact, like its 100% true that that is how everything came to be. Cool... good for them that they think that... but why arent we learning other 'universe creations'.

 

they say because 'god' cant be proven, and that the big bang theory cant. Then why cant anyone answer this... the big bang was when the universe, which was once very small, very hot, and very dense exploded into what we have today.

 

well how the hell did that tiny universe get there?

 

NOBODY can answer that question, therefore, my belief in god is JUST as valid, i cant prove mine, you cant prove yours.

 

i wouldnt have a problem with this, except for the fact that we're learning it in school and kids are only hearing one side of the story, im not even asking for them to teach christianity, im just asking them to talk about a 'creator' of some sort, talk about budda or somehting for all i care, just get the point across that neither one can be proven and that its likely that either one is the cause of why we're here.

 

/rant.

KingJustinII

Lol the universe was like teh denseness so it asploded to what we have right now duh. 

I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, I'm attempting to open people's minds a bit.

 

As for Evolution, I'm very skeptical. I don't think religion plays much into what I think of Evolution. This is the problem I've posed:

 

As things Evolve they leave their previous form behind. For instance, at one point Dolphins had legs and could walk AND swim. As they evolved, they lost their legs and are now primarily Swimmers. If we evolved from Chimps, then I can't see how there's still Chimps in existence. Very skeptical.

Conflict-Zero

Well, if it's in Science class it's different. I'm Christian, by the way. God isn't very...scientific, so to speak. The Big Bang theory involves Astronomy, which is a branch of Science, thus making it valid for that class. Theology isn't a branch of Science, rather than a study of beliefs. One could say Religion is more of a philosophy nonetheless.

So, God and the Big Bang theory aren't very related in what form of education they are c|assified as. Although I believe that God exists.

Carlos_Santana

 

but then kids like them have to sit through this ****.

 

all im saying is if neither one is a fact, then we should be learning both, or neither.

 

and theres absolutely nothing wrong with that.

KingJustinII

Ok, let me explain it to you this way:

We have something called separation of church and state. Nowadays, that basically means separation of religion and state. Since public schools are part of the state, children who attend these schools will be taught whatever is based on evidence. Since the Big Bang Theory is a theory because we can infer what happened due to the evidence around us, that's what's going to be taught. Saying that there is a God is not a theory, it is faith, and although neither theory nor faith can be proven, we go with the one that can be tested.

So, lets sum it up.

You believe in God because you want to.

You accept the theory because you must. Why? Because evidence infers that the Universe started with a Big Bang.

You can believe that God started that infinitesimally small point of energy that started the Big Bang.

But you cannot prove that, because there is no evidence to infer God's existence.

But you can prove that the Big Bang happened, because there is evidence to infer that it happened.

Since the existence of God can't be proven, they don't teach about it's existence in school.

Also, the Big Bang can be proven, but we don't know what happened before the Big Bang. If you believe that God started it, that's your opinion, but it won't be a theory, because it can't be proven.

Now see? 

[QUOTE="Carlos_Santana"]

Well, if it's in Science class it's different. I'm Christian, by the way. God isn't very...scientific, so to speak. The Big Bang theory involves Astronomy, which is a branch of Science, thus making it valid for that class. Theology isn't a branch of Science, rather than a study of beliefs. One could say Religion is more of a philosophy nonetheless.

So, God and the Big Bang theory aren't very related in what form of education they are c|assified as. Although I believe that God exists.

Carlos_Santana

I do. It makes sense. :)

[QUOTE="Carlos_Santana"][QUOTE="Carlos_Santana"]

Well, if it's in Science class it's different. I'm Christian, by the way. God isn't very...scientific, so to speak. The Big Bang theory involves Astronomy, which is a branch of Science, thus making it valid for that class. Theology isn't a branch of Science, rather than a study of beliefs. One could say Religion is more of a philosophy nonetheless.

So, God and the Big Bang theory aren't very related in what form of education they are c|assified as. Although I believe that God exists.

The_Ish

I do. It makes sense. :)

Neither can be 100% proven. We'll never know the answer, so I dont' know why we keep trying and just enjoy our existence.DaveGamer_05

Neither can be 100% proven. We'll never know the answer, so I dont' know why we keep trying and just enjoy our existence.DaveGamer_05

Becuase usually by trying to explain our universe we can better our lives and as you put it, our existance. 

[QUOTE="DaveGamer_05"]Neither can be 100% proven. We'll never know the answer, so I dont' know why we keep trying and just enjoy our existence.CptJSparrow

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="DaveGamer_05"]Neither can be 100% proven. We'll never know the answer, so I dont' know why we keep trying and just enjoy our existence.Carlos_Santana

 

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KingJustinII

That is not what you think it is. That one is about the relationships between point masses. It's about atoms. Not gravity.

Read and understand the article. Or go take physics in HS. They teach it there.

[QUOTE="Carlos_Santana"]

Well, if it's in Science class it's different. I'm Christian, by the way. God isn't very...scientific, so to speak. The Big Bang theory involves Astronomy, which is a branch of Science, thus making it valid for that class. Theology isn't a branch of Science, rather than a study of beliefs. One could say Religion is more of a philosophy nonetheless.

So, God and the Big Bang theory aren't very related in what form of education they are c|assified as. Although I believe that God exists.

Carlos_Santana

  Yeah buddy the reason why we arn't responding is its a very educated and well formed statement.. You stated your bias yet you believe in certain ideas that are set in place.  Thats why people like you and Jimmy Carter I respect for that very reason, your devout in your beliefs but you do not let it get in the way of rational thought.  No one can take away that idea, and in the end ironically enough the creationists claiming we are too closed minded are hypocritical at best.  Most people who run off science such as evolution is birthed on evidence, if we find it then we will immediatly changed our entire line of thinking and thought.

  My major beef about Religion when comparing it to science is..  If we found god discovered him/her/it, science would immediatliy build upon this to form more discovery..

  If Religion was proven wrong in the sense that evolution is proven correct (in regards to creationism) or god it self proven ot not exist.  Many religious sects would refuse to believe it and try to smear the proof at every corner like many have in the ongoing debate of intelligent design.   For instance Evolution has been smeared left and right numerous times to some how looking like a rediuclous belief that makes no sense.  Many people don't even know that the science community has deemed Evolution occuring itself as fact, that it has happened and is constantly happenign around us.. What has been argued over and over again is the fact of how this happened and why in the science community.

We can prove the exact time of when an eclipse occurs and has occurred.

Fail.CptJSparrow

There are infinite measures of time....it is literally impossible to find the exact time. I'm sure a few decimals were rounded. We don't know the EXACT time. And second, it is highly unlikely something altered the "speed" of the moon, but it is possible. We can't prove that however. And when it will occur...well that isn't about the past. I said we can get to be "pretty damn sure" so to speak, yet it is impossible to reach the 100% assurance. Hell, for all we know, the moon could all be a conspiracy.

insert obnoxious assumption of correctness here

[QUOTE="Carlos_Santana"][QUOTE="Carlos_Santana"]

Well, if it's in Science class it's different. I'm Christian, by the way. God isn't very...scientific, so to speak. The Big Bang theory involves Astronomy, which is a branch of Science, thus making it valid for that class. Theology isn't a branch of Science, rather than a study of beliefs. One could say Religion is more of a philosophy nonetheless.

So, God and the Big Bang theory aren't very related in what form of education they are c|assified as. Although I believe that God exists.

sSubZerOo

  Yeah buddy the reason why we arn't responding is its a very educated and well formed statement.. You stated your bias yet you believe in certain ideas that are set in place.  Thats why people like you and Jimmy Carter I respect for that very reason, your devout in your beliefs but you do not let it get in the way of rational thought.  No one can take away that idea, and in the end ironically enough the creationists claiming we are too closed minded are hypocritical at best.  Most people who run off science such as evolution is birthed on evidence, if we find it then we will immediatly changed our entire line of thinking and thought.

  My major beef about Religion when comparing it to science is..  If we found god discovered him/her/it, science would immediatliy build upon this to form more discovery..

  If Religion was proven wrong in the sense that evolution is proven correct (in regards to creationism) or god it self proven ot not exist.  Many religious sects would refuse to believe it and try to smear the proof at every corner like many have in the ongoing debate of intelligent design.   For instance Evolution has been smeared left and right numerous times to some how looking like a rediuclous belief that makes no sense.  Many people don't even know that the science community has deemed Evolution occuring itself as fact, that it has happened and is constantly happenign around us.. What has been argued over and over again is the fact of how this happened and why in the science community.

Yeah buddy the reason why we arn't responding is its a very educated and well formed statement.. You stated your bias yet you believe in certain ideas that are set in place. Thats why people like you and Jimmy Carter I respect for that very reason, your devout in your beliefs but you do not let it get in the way of rational thought. No one can take away that idea, and in the end ironically enough the creationists claiming we are too closed minded are hypocritical at best. Most people who run off science such as evolution is birthed on evidence, if we find it then we will immediatly changed our entire line of thinking and thought.

My major beef about Religion when comparing it to science is.. If we found god discovered him/her/it, science would immediatliy build upon this to form more discovery..

If Religion was proven wrong in the sense that evolution is proven correct (in regards to creationism) or god it self proven ot not exist. Many religious sects would refuse to believe it and try to smear the proof at every corner like many have in the ongoing debate of intelligent design. For instance Evolution has been smeared left and right numerous times to some how looking like a rediuclous belief that makes no sense. Many people don't even know that the science community has deemed Evolution occuring itself as fact, that it has happened and is constantly happenign around us.. What has been argued over and over again is the fact of how this happened and why in the science community.

 

sSubZerOo

Damnit, I already gave him an ego boost.

Now the ego boost you gave him will make him punch God in the eye.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Yeah buddy the reason why we arn't responding is its a very educated and well formed statement.. You stated your bias yet you believe in certain ideas that are set in place. Thats why people like you and Jimmy Carter I respect for that very reason, your devout in your beliefs but you do not let it get in the way of rational thought. No one can take away that idea, and in the end ironically enough the creationists claiming we are too closed minded are hypocritical at best. Most people who run off science such as evolution is birthed on evidence, if we find it then we will immediatly changed our entire line of thinking and thought.

My major beef about Religion when comparing it to science is.. If we found god discovered him/her/it, science would immediatliy build upon this to form more discovery..

If Religion was proven wrong in the sense that evolution is proven correct (in regards to creationism) or god it self proven ot not exist. Many religious sects would refuse to believe it and try to smear the proof at every corner like many have in the ongoing debate of intelligent design. For instance Evolution has been smeared left and right numerous times to some how looking like a rediuclous belief that makes no sense. Many people don't even know that the science community has deemed Evolution occuring itself as fact, that it has happened and is constantly happenign around us.. What has been argued over and over again is the fact of how this happened and why in the science community.

 

The_Ish

Damnit, I already gave him an ego boost.

Now the ego boost you gave him will make him punch God in the eye.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="DaveGamer_05"]Neither can be 100% proven. We'll never know the answer, so I dont' know why we keep trying and just enjoy our existence.Carlos_Santana

  ... Well that isn't neccesarly true.. The vast distance of stars we can see the past of the star.. All the stars we see in the sky are light that has been traveling for possbility billions of years.   We have found that same residue as it were in waves of microwave radiation that is still cycling out wards.. 

   Though in the philosophical sense we will never know what true actuality is to begin with hehe..  That being said the big bang is like watching a stick of dynamite going off then taking a snap shot .2 seconds after the actual explosion with constantly very slow increase in time..  We can accurately infer what occured from here, the big bang theory is formed from this simplistic yet critical idea.

[QUOTE="Carlos_Santana"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="DaveGamer_05"]Neither can be 100% proven. We'll never know the answer, so I dont' know why we keep trying and just enjoy our existence.sSubZerOo

  ... Well that isn't neccesarly true.. The vast distance of stars we can see the past of the star.. All the stars we see in the sky are light that has been traveling for possbility billions of years.   We have found that same residue as it were in waves of microwave radiation that is still cycling out wards.. 

   Though in the philosophical sense we will never know what true actuality is to begin with hehe..  That being said the big bang is like watching a stick of dynamite going off then taking a snap shot .2 seconds after the actual explosion with constantly very slow increase in time..  We can accurately infer what occured from here, the big bang theory is formed from this simplistic yet critical idea.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] We can prove the exact time of when an eclipse occurs and has occurred.

Fail.Carlos_Santana

There are infinite measures of time....it is literally impossible to find the exact time. I'm sure a few decimals were rounded. We don't know the EXACT time. And second, it is highly unlikely something altered the "speed" of the moon, but it is possible. We can't prove that however. And when it will occur...well that isn't about the past. I said we can get to be "pretty damn sure" so to speak, yet it is impossible to reach the 100% assurance. Hell, for all we know, the moon could all be a conspiracy.

insert obnoxious assumption of correctness here

[QUOTE="Carlos_Santana"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="DaveGamer_05"]Neither can be 100% proven. We'll never know the answer, so I dont' know why we keep trying and just enjoy our existence.sSubZerOo

... Well that isn't neccesarly true.. The vast distance of stars we can see the past of the star.. All the stars we see in the sky are light that has been traveling for possbility billions of years. We have found that same residue as it were in waves of microwave radiation that is still cycling out wards..

Though in the philosophical sense we will never know what true actuality is to begin with hehe.. That being said the big bang is like watching a stick of dynamite going off then taking a snap shot .2 seconds after the actual explosion with constantly very slow increase in time.. We can accurately infer what occured from here, the big bang theory is formed from this simplistic yet critical idea.

[QUOTE="Carlos_Santana"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] We can prove the exact time of when an eclipse occurs and has occurred.

Fail.CptJSparrow

There are infinite measures of time....it is literally impossible to find the exact time. I'm sure a few decimals were rounded. We don't know the EXACT time. And second, it is highly unlikely something altered the "speed" of the moon, but it is possible. We can't prove that however. And when it will occur...well that isn't about the past. I said we can get to be "pretty damn sure" so to speak, yet it is impossible to reach the 100% assurance. Hell, for all we know, the moon could all be a conspiracy.

insert obnoxious assumption of correctness here

hey genius have you heard about separation of church and state?

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Carlos_Santana"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] We can prove the exact time of when an eclipse occurs and has occurred.

Fail.Carlos_Santana

There are infinite measures of time....it is literally impossible to find the exact time. I'm sure a few decimals were rounded. We don't know the EXACT time. And second, it is highly unlikely something altered the "speed" of the moon, but it is possible. We can't prove that however. And when it will occur...well that isn't about the past. I said we can get to be "pretty damn sure" so to speak, yet it is impossible to reach the 100% assurance. Hell, for all we know, the moon could all be a conspiracy.

insert obnoxious assumption of correctness here

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Carlos_Santana"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="DaveGamer_05"]Neither can be 100% proven. We'll never know the answer, so I dont' know why we keep trying and just enjoy our existence.CptJSparrow

... Well that isn't neccesarly true.. The vast distance of stars we can see the past of the star.. All the stars we see in the sky are light that has been traveling for possbility billions of years. We have found that same residue as it were in waves of microwave radiation that is still cycling out wards..

Though in the philosophical sense we will never know what true actuality is to begin with hehe.. That being said the big bang is like watching a stick of dynamite going off then taking a snap shot .2 seconds after the actual explosion with constantly very slow increase in time.. We can accurately infer what occured from here, the big bang theory is formed from this simplistic yet critical idea.

  the .2 seconds I was only using as a metaphorical device to make a comparison to stick of dynamite going off. And through this we can see the radiation waves from the explosion that is still ehading outwards.. And no we can see the movement of the galaxies, infact Andromeda is moving VERY VERY fast towards a collision course with our galaxy the Milky way.  The idea that we can see slowly after this is in the fact that things such as that galaxy is gonna colide with us we have calculated the speed.. Then project its distance from the time it took the light to reach us from its actual position. 

  If we could only see a moment after the big bang we would never know how fast any of these galaxies are moving, and we know how fast quite a few galaxies are indeed moving.

Its such a joke, seriously.

 

i'm so ****ing sick of learning about it in school, they talk about it like its a solid fact, like its 100% true that that is how everything came to be. Cool... good for them that they think that... but why arent we learning other 'universe creations'.

 

they say because 'god' cant be proven, and that the big bang theory cant. Then why cant anyone answer this... the big bang was when the universe, which was once very small, very hot, and very dense exploded into what we have today.

 

well how the hell did that tiny universe get there?

 

NOBODY can answer that question, therefore, my belief in god is JUST as valid, i cant prove mine, you cant prove yours.

 

i wouldnt have a problem with this, except for the fact that we're learning it in school and kids are only hearing one side of the story, im not even asking for them to teach christianity, im just asking them to talk about a 'creator' of some sort, talk about budda or somehting for all i care, just get the point across that neither one can be proven and that its likely that either one is the cause of why we're here.

 

/rant.

KingJustinII

 Theres evidence for the Big Bang. Theres no evidence that theres a god. If you want to learn about god go to a catholic school, but don't whine that your being taught science in a science class.