The Death Penalty

LOL you get so angry calm down son. that's why I say 1 year of apeals and there toast death by public hanging.

kingyotoX

Anger is the wrong word. Contempt is more like it. And maybe a little pity.

[QUOTE="megahaloman64"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

We all have rights. The right to life is one of them.

You turn in your rights when you commit a crime. The right to life should be no exception.

Rapists and murderers don't deserve to live. The problem , however, is that

1. The death penalty doesn't deter crime, and

2. The appeal processes that are required for anyone sentenced to death cost more than keeping them in prison forever.

So the only reason to have the death penalty is to permanently remove a threat to society, from society.

Morally, I have little issue with the death penalty. Economically, the only sensible thing to do is oppose it.

PannicAtack

I agree, you should only be put to death for murder and rape, but it only cost so much because their kept alive for so long, sometimes even longer than their victims lives. They should just be killed the day when their sentenced.

True, but it's kind of stupid to keep a man alive for 30 years, when they were caught on camera strangling a twelve year old.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="megahaloman64"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

We all have rights. The right to life is one of them.

You turn in your rights when you commit a crime. The right to life should be no exception.

Rapists and murderers don't deserve to live. The problem , however, is that

1. The death penalty doesn't deter crime, and

2. The appeal processes that are required for anyone sentenced to death cost more than keeping them in prison forever.

So the only reason to have the death penalty is to permanently remove a threat to society, from society.

Morally, I have little issue with the death penalty. Economically, the only sensible thing to do is oppose it.

megahaloman64

I agree, you should only be put to death for murder and rape, but it only cost so much because their kept alive for so long, sometimes even longer than their victims lives. They should just be killed the day when their sentenced.

True, but it's kind of stupid to keep a man alive for 30 years, when they were caught on camera strangling a twelve year old.

I am not morally opposed to it, and maybe it is cost-effective, but enoughs enough I think we need the death penalty back, the leniency of the government is a reason why their are so many crimes.flowdee79

Again Penn & Teller do a better job at summing up my opinions on the subject:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gy1itP92xp4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fAdXoPB5bUE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JZJ8jT7pxFs

It's murder, plain and simple. Not only is there a chance that you will kill an innocent person but it costs less to keep someone in jail for life than to put them on death row. Plus, you are ending their possible suffering at the hands of any guilt or remorse they might be feeling.
foxhound_fox

If someone killed another person in self defense, that's murder too. However it's going to be looked at differently by society as opposed to a serial killer. In my opinion it's the reason WHY you're killing someone.

ok if we are all gunna talk about cost effective and humane, hang the son-a-biotches. its quick and painless and not to mention cheap. althopugh money can be re-printed, human's cantdsman418

No, we all have the right to live. It shouldn't exist, but rather let the prisioners injail for the rest of their lives.Thiago26792

But if that criminal murdered someone, they took the life of that person, so as stated before, their rights should be tossed out the window too.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Again Penn & Teller do a better job at summing up my opinions on the subject:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gy1itP92xp4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fAdXoPB5bUE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JZJ8jT7pxFs

It's murder, plain and simple. Not only is there a chance that you will kill an innocent person but it costs less to keep someone in jail for life than to put them on death row. Plus, you are ending their possible suffering at the hands of any guilt or remorse they might be feeling.
nickyb628

If someone killed another person in self defense, that's murder too. However it's going to be looked at differently by society as opposed to a serial killer. In my opinion it's the reason WHY you're killing someone.

[QUOTE="dsman418"]ok if we are all gunna talk about cost effective and humane, hang the son-a-biotches. its quick and painless and not to mention cheap. althopugh money can be re-printed, human's cantPannicAtack

And how far you fall. Unless they do a reverse hanging, then you're just going to suffocate.

[QUOTE="nickyb628"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Again Penn & Teller do a better job at summing up my opinions on the subject:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gy1itP92xp4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fAdXoPB5bUE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JZJ8jT7pxFs

It's murder, plain and simple. Not only is there a chance that you will kill an innocent person but it costs less to keep someone in jail for life than to put them on death row. Plus, you are ending their possible suffering at the hands of any guilt or remorse they might be feeling.
PannicAtack

If someone killed another person in self defense, that's murder too. However it's going to be looked at differently by society as opposed to a serial killer. In my opinion it's the reason WHY you're killing someone.

I disagree. If you agree with what Penn and Teller say, I don't see how you don't think self defense isn't murder too. It's just a different kind. In fact, by the definition of murder, we're both wrong, and so are Penn and Teller.

we dont have a death penalty here in north carolina

Dont get any ideas people who have murderd some1 IN THE FIRST DEGREE

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="nickyb628"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Again Penn & Teller do a better job at summing up my opinions on the subject:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gy1itP92xp4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fAdXoPB5bUE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JZJ8jT7pxFs

It's murder, plain and simple. Not only is there a chance that you will kill an innocent person but it costs less to keep someone in jail for life than to put them on death row. Plus, you are ending their possible suffering at the hands of any guilt or remorse they might be feeling.
nickyb628

If someone killed another person in self defense, that's murder too. However it's going to be looked at differently by society as opposed to a serial killer. In my opinion it's the reason WHY you're killing someone.

I disagree. If you agree with what Penn and Teller say, I don't see how you don't think self defense isn't murder too. It's just a different kind. In fact, by the definition of murder, we're both wrong, and so are Penn and Teller.

[QUOTE="nickyb628"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="nickyb628"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Again Penn & Teller do a better job at summing up my opinions on the subject:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gy1itP92xp4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fAdXoPB5bUE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JZJ8jT7pxFs

It's murder, plain and simple. Not only is there a chance that you will kill an innocent person but it costs less to keep someone in jail for life than to put them on death row. Plus, you are ending their possible suffering at the hands of any guilt or remorse they might be feeling.
PannicAtack

If someone killed another person in self defense, that's murder too. However it's going to be looked at differently by society as opposed to a serial killer. In my opinion it's the reason WHY you're killing someone.

I disagree. If you agree with what Penn and Teller say, I don't see how you don't think self defense isn't murder too. It's just a different kind. In fact, by the definition of murder, we're both wrong, and so are Penn and Teller.

According to dictionary.com..."Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder)." I was going by that definition, but killing someone because they killed another person, in my opinion, is justified. I'm kind of old school I guess, an eye for an eye. I know this debate isn't going anywhere because a lot of it is opinion, but it's still fun :P.

[QUOTE="Thiago26792"]No, we all have the right to live. It shouldn't exist, but rather let the prisioners injail for the rest of their lives.nickyb628

But if that criminal murdered someone, they took the life of that person, so as stated before, their rights should be tossed out the window too.

Hency wy they stay in a jail cell..

The Death penalty is a archaic device that doesn't even work as a proper deterrent in society.. It also costs more then jailing the prisoner for life due to the numerous appeals the prisoner would odviously do.

We all have rights. The right to life is one of them.

You turn in your rights when you commit a crime. The right to life should be no exception.

Rapists and murderers don't deserve to live. The problem , however, is that

1. The death penalty doesn't deter crime, and

2. The appeal processes that are required for anyone sentenced to death cost more than keeping them in prison forever.

So the only reason to have the death penalty is to permanently remove a threat to society, from society.

Morally, I have little issue with the death penalty. Economically, the only sensible thing to do is oppose it.

Dracargen

This basically sums it up. I don't think murderers or rapists deserve to live but I don't like the idea of somewhere along the line that an innocent person would be killed. Plus it costs so much.

The point of views here are really interesting and they do make sense!

You kill someone, you're stripped out of your rights as a human being. I'm for the capital punishment and it's easy to understand why - you kill, you die. However, it's not what it primarily aims at achieving, its main purpose is to deter crime which it clearly doesn't. Horrible crimes are committed by horrible persons who, most of the time, aren't afraid of death and they'll eventually kill themselves anyway. This is why, if the person is found to be 100% guilty, then he/she should be severely tortured until he/she really understands the meaning of being sorry.

Regardless of economic issues it imposes, the main backlash it introduces is the possibility of killing an innocent.

Update: To the above poster:

Go and tell the muderers that message because the ones who kill muderers must be considered as heroes!

The point of views here are really interesting and they do make sense!

You kill someone, you're stripped out of your rights as a human being. I'm for the capital punishment and it's easy to understand why - you kill, you die. However, it's not what it primarily aims at achieving, its main purpose is to deter crime which it clearly doesn't. Horrible crimes are committed by horrible persons who, most of the time, aren't afraid of death and they'll eventually kill themselves anyway. This is why, if the person is found to be 100% guilty, then he/she should be severely tortured until he really understands the meaning of being sorry.

Regardless of economic issues it imposes, the main backlash it introduces is the possibility of killing an innocent.

Adversary16

Surely the whole point of rights is that you cannot be stripped of them? Otherwise they're not rights, they're privileges.

Personally I think the Death Penalty is a poor option in any situiation.

Reason 1: There is a startlingly high rate of exonerated men in women each year in America. If we can prevent even a few innocent deaths then its worth getting rid of capital punishment

Reason 2: The worst offenders, namely murderers and sex offenders, have a pretty rough time in maximum security lock up. Considering that these people get the short end of the stick when it comes to beatings and rape in prison, I find it to be a much more fitting punishment. Dying in a prison bathroom or workyard or living a long life of rape and battery is much worse then death by ethical means.

Surely the whole point of rights is that you cannot be stripped of them? Otherwise they're not rights, they're privileges./QUOTE]

Well, actually, the way I see it is that your rights are granted, let alone permanent!

It's like the rights you acquire once you're a member of a certain club. Similarly, once you do something totally unacceptable within the boundaries of what is tolerated, you get banned! Simply put, you get stripped out of your rights.

I think the death penalty should be reinistated in every state. All that talk about keeping someone in jail forever cost more just smells like Bull...

Certain crimes should be punishable by death. and almost everybody should be eligble.

If you do the crime..... It should be your neck in the noose. I dont care if it deters crime or not were talking about punishment and a debt to society. If you want to deter crime how about starting with beter education etc etc.....

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]I don't like "stripped of your right..."

Surely the whole point of rights is that you cannot be stripped of them? Otherwise they're not rights, they're privileges.Adversary16

Well, actually, the way I see it is that your rights are granted, let alone permanent!

It's like the rights you acquire once you're a member of a certain club. Similarly, once you do something totally unacceptable within the boundaries of what is tolerated, you get banned! Simply put, you get stripped out of your rights.

who are you, or who is anyone else, to decide who lives and who dies?Mr_sprinkles

Are you referring to the criminal who murdered someone or the court that is going to execute the criminal?

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]who are you, or who is anyone else, to decide who lives and who dies?sonicare

Are you referring to the criminal who murdered someone or the court that is going to execute the criminal?

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]who are you, or who is anyone else, to decide who lives and who dies?Mr_sprinkles

Are you referring to the criminal who murdered someone or the court that is going to execute the criminal?

Yes. But isn't it just as bad to imprison someone?

I thought the only requirement for deserving human rights was being human. :?Mr_sprinkles

That is indeed correct but once you kill a fellow human, you're no longer one! You then turn into a murderer!

Even wild animals have way more respect than the murderers themselves!

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]who are you, or who is anyone else, to decide who lives and who dies?sonicare

Are you referring to the criminal who murdered someone or the court that is going to execute the criminal?

Yes. But isn't it just as bad to imprison someone?

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]I thought the only requirement for deserving human rights was being human. :?Adversary16

That is indeed correct but once you kill a fellow human, you're no longer one! You then turn into a murderer!

Even wild animals have way more respect than the murderers themselves!

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]who are you, or who is anyone else, to decide who lives and who dies?Mr_sprinkles

Are you referring to the criminal who murdered someone or the court that is going to execute the criminal?

Yes. But isn't it just as bad to imprison someone?

True. But how could you ever repay them for all that lost time? And who has the right to imprison someone?

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]who are you, or who is anyone else, to decide who lives and who dies?sonicare

Are you referring to the criminal who murdered someone or the court that is going to execute the criminal?

Yes. But isn't it just as bad to imprison someone?

True. But how could you ever repay them for all that lost time? And who has the right to imprison someone?

murderers aren't human? What definition of human is that?Mr_sprinkles

Not in my eyes! My definition of humans: respectable persons who respect each other - they differ much from animals!

Murderers? Not so much... They are practically monsters! In fact, I don't see the difference; they are indeed cold-blooded killers who deserve no less than being cold-bloodedly killed too!

This is why, if the person is found to be 100% guilty, then he/she should be severely tortured until he/she really understands the meaning of being sorry.Adversary16

Can't do that. Eigth Amendment. >_>PannicAtack

Unfortunately.

[QUOTE="kingyotoX"]

LOL you get so angry calm down son. that's why I say 1 year of apeals and there toast death by public hanging.

pianist

Anger is the wrong word. Contempt is more like it. And maybe a little pity.

Bahaha ok then pity me all you want there buddy.