The G@y Moralist: Every Anti-G@y Excuse Debunked in Eight Minutes

This is an excellent presentation. The eight-minute preview explains why every single anti-gay excuse is completely irrational.

Theokhoth

Sex is for reproduction and gays can't reproduce with each other, problem?

LOL, I wasn't expecting instant agreement, but it's cool that we're on the same page on this.

GreySeal9

What can I say? I actually agree for once. I didn't really think through my problem in the first place. Common for me, yes I know. I'm trying.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

LOL, I wasn't expecting instant agreement, but it's cool that we're on the same page on this.

airshocker

What can I say? I actually agree for once. I didn't really think through my problem in the first place. Common for me, yes I know. I'm trying.

I could actually see part of what you were driving at---a person's thoughts on the issue of homosexuality shouldn't be automatically equated to bigotry---but the distinction between the individual and the act is always important.

Anyway, I like the Chruchill quote in your sig.

Bottom line, people need to shut the hell up and deal with it. It's not effecting them.

I would be pretty hypocritical if I was against homosexuality.Allicrombie

Does that mean you fancy the ladies?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

This is an excellent presentation. The eight-minute preview explains why every single anti-gay excuse is completely irrational.

ChampionoChumps

Sex is for reproduction and gays can't reproduce with each other, problem?

I could actually see part of what you were driving at---a person's thoughts on the issue of homosexuality shouldn't be automatically equated to bigotry---but the distinction between the individual and the act is always important.

Anyway, I like the Chruchill quote in your sig.

GreySeal9

I do too. It resonates with me.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

This is an excellent presentation. The eight-minute preview explains why every single anti-gay excuse is completely irrational.

ChampionoChumps

Sex is for reproduction and gays can't reproduce with each other, problem?

lol yes because you're wrong

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

This is an excellent presentation. The eight-minute preview explains why every single anti-gay excuse is completely irrational.

ChampionoChumps

Sex is for reproduction and gays can't reproduce with each other, problem?

Sex isn't "for" anything. It has an evolutionarily beneficial function, but few things drive me up the wall more than people attempting a normative interpretation of evolutionary theory.

Sex isn't "for" anything. It has an evolutionarily beneficial function, but few things drive me up the wall more than people attempting a normative interpretation of evolutionary theory.

GabuEx

I've never seen anything drive you up the wall. :P

/QUOTE] And what exactly makes his understanding "horrible"? I'm sure almost all of you have a horrible understanding of the Bible, seeing as how this forum is filled with smug atheists.Solid_Snake325

I'm actually not an atheist, but there was study done recently stating that atheists and liberals have higher IQs than conservatives and bible-beaters. So, maybe there's a reason they are so smug.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Sex isn't "for" anything. It has an evolutionarily beneficial function, but few things drive me up the wall more than people attempting a normative interpretation of evolutionary theory.

airshocker

I've never seen anything drive you up the wall. :P

You've never seen me, period. :P

You've never seen me, period. :P

GabuEx

That's what YOU think... :P

His biblical point seemed interesting. He didn't disagree with the Bible, but rather just wanted to point out that other people are doing things that don't go along with what the Bible preaches. How could that possibly be a sound argument? It is essentially just saying that I can do wrong because others are as well.Watch_My_6

It's a sound argument because the Biblical arguments are self-refuting provided that the person believes that Biblical passages saying things like adulterers should be stoned to death are no longer applicable and must be interpreted in the context of the time at which it was written. If one says that about all the other passages around the one that is (allegedly, too; this is not a certainty) about homosexuality, then their own argument for why those passages don't apply refutes their own argument as well.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

You've never seen me, period. :P

airshocker

That's what YOU think... :P

Oh dear. :o

homosexuals are gaylloveLamp

Good point. Most homosexuals do tend to appear very pleasant.

[QUOTE="lloveLamp"]homosexuals are gayLikeHaterade

Good point. Most homosexuals do tend to appear very pleasant.

Wow, didn`t know Gamespoters are so homophobic.

BTW. Its genetic. So religious people can hate god on that matter and atheists well, just look at the evidence.

Stockholm Brain Institute in Sweden found that homosexual men and heterosexual women have symmetrical brains, with the right and left hemispheres almost exactly the same size. Conversely, lesbians and straight men have asymmetrical brains, with the right hemisphere significantly larger than the left.

This suggests that homosexuality and lesbianism are simply caused by the brain's formation. This might also explain why some homosexual men grow into more feminine forms, as the brain controls hormone balance.

Read more:http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_homosexuality_genetic#ixzz1EM6ExSDO

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Watch_My_6"]His biblical point seemed interesting. He didn't disagree with the Bible, but rather just wanted to point out that other people are doing things that don't go along with what the Bible preaches. How could that possibly be a sound argument? It is essentially just saying that I can do wrong because others are as well.Watch_My_6

It's a sound argument because the Biblical arguments are self-refuting provided that the person believes that Biblical passages saying things like adulterers should be stoned to death are no longer applicable and must be interpreted in the context of the time at which it was written. If one says that about all the other passages around the one that is (allegedly, too; this is not a certainty) about homosexuality, then their own argument for why those passages don't apply refutes their own argument as well.

Well certainly if a person does believe that adulterers should be stoned to death and adheres to every single such law, then they can consistently apply the verse about homosexuality, but then I think they kind of have bigger problems.

Oh dear. :o

GabuEx

Indeed. Lol

Wow, didn`t know Gamespoters are so homophobic.

BTW. Its genetic. So religious people can hate god on that matter and atheists well, just look at the evidence.

Stockholm Brain Institute in Sweden found that homosexual men and heterosexual women have symmetrical brains, with the right and left hemispheres almost exactly the same size. Conversely, lesbians and straight men have asymmetrical brains, with the right hemisphere significantly larger than the left.

This suggests that homosexuality and lesbianism are simply caused by the brain's formation. This might also explain why some homosexual men grow into more feminine forms, as the brain controls hormone balance.

Read more:http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_homosexuality_genetic#ixzz1EM6ExSDO

hole2score

No, it's not genetic. There does exist a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, but that's not the same thing. Twin studies have shown that monozygotic twins are more likely than dizygotic twins to both be gay if one is gay but it's only about a 50-60% likelihood. If it were genetic, it would be 100%. That doesn't mean it's a choice, of course.

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]Love the person hate the sin.headRooom

[QUOTE="hole2score"]

Wow, didn`t know Gamespoters are so homophobic.

BTW. Its genetic. So religious people can hate god on that matter and atheists well, just look at the evidence.

Stockholm Brain Institute in Sweden found that homosexual men and heterosexual women have symmetrical brains, with the right and left hemispheres almost exactly the same size. Conversely, lesbians and straight men have asymmetrical brains, with the right hemisphere significantly larger than the left.

This suggests that homosexuality and lesbianism are simply caused by the brain's formation. This might also explain why some homosexual men grow into more feminine forms, as the brain controls hormone balance.

Read more:http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_homosexuality_genetic#ixzz1EM6ExSDO

GabuEx

No, it's not genetic. There does exist a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, but that's not the same thing. Twin studies have shown that monozygotic twins are more likely than dizygotic twins to both be gay if one is gay but it's only about a 50-60% likelihood. If it were genetic, it would be 100%. That doesn't mean it's a choice, of course.

Maybe its a recessive gene? I don`t see what else. No one would want to be that little percentage of people that are gay not because I find it evil, bad, w/e, but because they don`t get treated equally. I also don`t think its psychological cause almost every person that had a bad childhood would be gay and thats a lot.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Well certainly if a person does believe that adulterers should be stoned to death and adheres to every single such law, then they can consistently apply the verse about homosexuality, but then I think they kind of have bigger problems.

Watch_My_6

Leviticus explicitly instructs not only that adultery is bad, but also prescribes the punishment, which is death by stoning carried out by humans. If you don't stone adulterers to death, then you are not following the word of God, if indeed you believe that books like Leviticus are still applicable today.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="hole2score"]

Wow, didn`t know Gamespoters are so homophobic.

BTW. Its genetic. So religious people can hate god on that matter and atheists well, just look at the evidence.

Stockholm Brain Institute in Sweden found that homosexual men and heterosexual women have symmetrical brains, with the right and left hemispheres almost exactly the same size. Conversely, lesbians and straight men have asymmetrical brains, with the right hemisphere significantly larger than the left.

This suggests that homosexuality and lesbianism are simply caused by the brain's formation. This might also explain why some homosexual men grow into more feminine forms, as the brain controls hormone balance.

Read more:http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_homosexuality_genetic#ixzz1EM6ExSDO

hole2score

No, it's not genetic. There does exist a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, but that's not the same thing. Twin studies have shown that monozygotic twins are more likely than dizygotic twins to both be gay if one is gay but it's only about a 50-60% likelihood. If it were genetic, it would be 100%. That doesn't mean it's a choice, of course.

Maybe its a recessive gene? I don`t see what else. No one would want to be that little percentage of people that are gay not because I find it evil, bad, w/e, but because they don`t get treated equally. I also don`t think its psychological cause almost every person that had a bad childhood would be gay and thats a lot.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="hole2score"]

Wow, didn`t know Gamespoters are so homophobic.

BTW. Its genetic. So religious people can hate god on that matter and atheists well, just look at the evidence.

Stockholm Brain Institute in Sweden found that homosexual men and heterosexual women have symmetrical brains, with the right and left hemispheres almost exactly the same size. Conversely, lesbians and straight men have asymmetrical brains, with the right hemisphere significantly larger than the left.

This suggests that homosexuality and lesbianism are simply caused by the brain's formation. This might also explain why some homosexual men grow into more feminine forms, as the brain controls hormone balance.

Read more:http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_homosexuality_genetic#ixzz1EM6ExSDO

hole2score

No, it's not genetic. There does exist a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, but that's not the same thing. Twin studies have shown that monozygotic twins are more likely than dizygotic twins to both be gay if one is gay but it's only about a 50-60% likelihood. If it were genetic, it would be 100%. That doesn't mean it's a choice, of course.

Maybe its a recessive gene? I don`t see what else. No one would want to be that little percentage of people that are gay not because I find it evil, bad, w/e, but because they don`t get treated equally. I also don`t think its psychological cause almost every person that had a bad childhood would be gay and thats a lot.

There are two related but different concepts in biology called phenotypes and genotypes; genotypes are bits of genetic information, and phenotypes are the actual traits within an organism. It's well understood by now that many phenotypes are not solely determined by genotypes, but rather are determined by genotypes plus the developmental environment of the organism (and some degree of randomness, too). Monozygotic twins have the exact same genetic material, so something that is genetic would be seen in both of them almost always. Recessive genes are responsible for a child having a trait that neither parent has, but cannot explain a trait that one identical twin has that the other does not.

[QUOTE="hole2score"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

No, it's not genetic. There does exist a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, but that's not the same thing. Twin studies have shown that monozygotic twins are more likely than dizygotic twins to both be gay if one is gay but it's only about a 50-60% likelihood. If it were genetic, it would be 100%. That doesn't mean it's a choice, of course.

Teenaged

Maybe its a recessive gene? I don`t see what else. No one would want to be that little percentage of people that are gay not because I find it evil, bad, w/e, but because they don`t get treated equally. I also don`t think its psychological cause almost every person that had a bad childhood would be gay and thats a lot.

Again, they wouldn`t be the first ones to had something bad happened to them. So far, the only research that has evidence is the genetic theory.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Leviticus explicitly instructs not only that adultery is bad, but also prescribes the punishment, which is death by stoning carried out by humans. If you don't stone adulterers to death, then you are not following the word of God, if indeed you believe that books like Leviticus are still applicable today.

Watch_My_6

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10)

It doesn't really get much clearer than that. Rather than asking around at your church, why not just read the Bible? :?

[QUOTE="Watch_My_6"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Leviticus explicitly instructs not only that adultery is bad, but also prescribes the punishment, which is death by stoning carried out by humans. If you don't stone adulterers to death, then you are not following the word of God, if indeed you believe that books like Leviticus are still applicable today.

GabuEx

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the wife of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10)

It doesn't really get much clearer than that. Rather than asking around at your church, why not just read the Bible? :?

[QUOTE="hole2score"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

No, it's not genetic. There does exist a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, but that's not the same thing. Twin studies have shown that monozygotic twins are more likely than dizygotic twins to both be gay if one is gay but it's only about a 50-60% likelihood. If it were genetic, it would be 100%. That doesn't mean it's a choice, of course.

GabuEx

Maybe its a recessive gene? I don`t see what else. No one would want to be that little percentage of people that are gay not because I find it evil, bad, w/e, but because they don`t get treated equally. I also don`t think its psychological cause almost every person that had a bad childhood would be gay and thats a lot.

There are two related but different concepts in biology called phenotypes and genotypes; genotypes are bits of genetic information, and phenotypes are the actual traits within an organism. It's well understood by now that many phenotypes are not solely determined by genotypes, but rather are determined by genotypes plus the developmental environment of the organism (and some degree of randomness, too). Monozygotic twins have the exact same genetic material, so something that is genetic would be seen in both of them almost always. Recessive genes are responsible for a child having a trait that neither parent has, but cannot explain a trait that one identical twin has that the other does not.

Interesting. Can you put a link to the source where you read this? There are a lot of theories about homosexuality from hormones to genetics.

Plus

I`m very tired so I`m having a hard time understanding your smart language. :P

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="hole2score"]

Maybe its a recessive gene? I don`t see what else. No one would want to be that little percentage of people that are gay not because I find it evil, bad, w/e, but because they don`t get treated equally. I also don`t think its psychological cause almost every person that had a bad childhood would be gay and thats a lot.

hole2score

Again, they wouldn`t be the first ones to had something bad happened to them. So far, the only research that has evidence is the genetic theory.

Imo, no.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="hole2score"]

Maybe its a recessive gene? I don`t see what else. No one would want to be that little percentage of people that are gay not because I find it evil, bad, w/e, but because they don`t get treated equally. I also don`t think its psychological cause almost every person that had a bad childhood would be gay and thats a lot.

hole2score

There are two related but different concepts in biology called phenotypes and genotypes; genotypes are bits of genetic information, and phenotypes are the actual traits within an organism. It's well understood by now that many phenotypes are not solely determined by genotypes, but rather are determined by genotypes plus the developmental environment of the organism (and some degree of randomness, too). Monozygotic twins have the exact same genetic material, so something that is genetic would be seen in both of them almost always. Recessive genes are responsible for a child having a trait that neither parent has, but cannot explain a trait that one identical twin has that the other does not.

Interesting. Can you put a link to the source where you read this? There are a lot of theories about homosexuality from hormones to genetics.

Plus

I`m very tired so I`m having a hard time understanding your smart language. :P

Well, I can't really give you one single source for all of it since it's not from one single source, but here's a link to twin studies on homosexuality, and the Wikipedia article on the genotype-phenotype distinction provides a pretty good overview.

Here`s a sarcasting video about why homosexuality should be banned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfFa44p96o&feature=related

alexside1 vs. GabuEx. Interesting. Two OTcar best debater nominees battling out!! :o *grabs popcorns*

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the wife of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10)

It doesn't really get much clearer than that. Rather than asking around at your church, why not just read the Bible? :?

Watch_My_6

I thought adultery was one of the things for which stoning was prescribed, but it seems I was mistaken, although I hardly see how that changes anything.

If you want an offense where stoning is specifically prescribed, here's one:

"Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him.Say to the Israelites: 'Anyone who curses their God will be held responsible;anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death.'" (Leviticus 24:14-16)

Do you and everyone who hears someone curse God in your community gather around and stone him to death?

You haven't reply to me Gabu.alexside1

You posted this literally five minutes after your last post; I can't exactly reply to everyone at once.

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

This is an excellent presentation. The eight-minute preview explains why every single anti-gay excuse is completely irrational.

GabuEx

Sex is for reproduction and gays can't reproduce with each other, problem?

Sex isn't "for" anything. It has an evolutionarily beneficial function, but few things drive me up the wall more than people attempting a normative interpretation of evolutionary theory.

So......... Problem?

You know gabuex if christains are reallly are cherry picking the bible, would they better off by not just following it?alexside1

I don't see how would be in a position to determine for someone else what they would be better off doing.

So......... Problem?

ChampionoChumps

Your attempt at trolling needs work. :P

I know what your getting at, but the idea that because I sin doesn't necessarily make another thing right. The bible says eating shellfish is wrong, but that doesn't automatically equate to homosexuality being a non-sin. In Biblical times, it may have been acceptable to stone someone. Just because I don't stone someone doesn't mean I feel that what they are doing is right. If the Bible requested I killed homosexuals in the same fashion (as lets say someone who blasphemes) I wouldn't do it. Doesn't mean I think it's ok to lay with the same sex. Watch_My_6

And you base your position of "the punishment doesn't still count, but the offense still does" on... what, exactly?

You just directly stated point blank that you refuse to carry out the word of God. Why not go all the way then?