The number one reason why Same-sex Marriage should absolutely be allowed.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]lol, i love how when you guys see something you don't want to deal with you just ignore it.

what happened? you saw the word evolution in the link and decided it was not worth your time to look at?

kingkong0124

That article just says that not all the wolves found mates so they took up to rasing cubs and taking care of the female ones when their male partners were gone or died. Some of them paired up with other male wolves, but at no point does it suggest they are gay nor does it mean they are gay.

We as humans may see a male dog mount another male dog as gay but in reality it's simply a male dog exterting dominance over the other. It doens't mean they are gay at all.

Homesexuality in animals is simply misunderstandings, people misinterpeting it. If they learn about animal behaviors they would know differently. And besides that's a terrible argument, just because animals do something doesn't make it ok. Animals also kill their young and eat the dead bodies of their pack, does that make it ok for us to do that too?

here it is again maybe someone will actually read it this time.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=gay-animals-and-evolution

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Maybe pedophilia is natural. Not relevant though because the problem with it is that it harms children, not that it's "unnatural".

KC_Hokie

I won't bother quite that post

Pedophilia is natural because it's a sexual paraphilia, a sexual urge that naturally happens is perfectly natural, it may be condemned by the society, but that is a social construct, what's considered a crime now may be perfectly normal in some other cultural, or before civilization.

the reason pedophilia is natural is you're inclined to be attracted to youth for reproductive success right, not hard to figure out.

Murders are unpleasant, but you can't deny that they naturally exist, don't mix normal with natural, one thing may not be normal in our society, but still exist naturally, and there's nothing "unnatural" about murders, people have emotions, and and people lost control, people are full filled with fear, hate jealousy, all of those have evolutionary explanations, what happens if all these emotions go wrong? you murder!

I provided argument why they're unpleasant, but still natural.

On a serious note, I think the number one reason should be because not doing so violates individual free-will, which is wrong (in cases where no-one is being harmed). However, I must admit that I'm not too crazy about letting same-sex couples raise children.

BluRayHiDef

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]lol, i love how when you guys see something you don't want to deal with you just ignore it.

what happened? you saw the word evolution in the link and decided it was not worth your time to look at?

worlock77

That article just says that not all the wolves found mates so they took up to rasing cubs and taking care of the female ones when their male partners were gone or died. Some of them paired up with other male wolves, but at no point does it suggest they are gay nor does it mean they are gay.

We as humans may see a male dog mount another male dog as gay but in reality it's simply a male dog exterting dominance over the other. It doens't mean they are gay at all.

Homesexuality in animals is simply misunderstandings, people misinterpeting it. If they learn about animal behaviors they would know differently. And besides that's a terrible argument, just because animals do something doesn't make it ok. Animals also kill their young and eat the dead bodies of their pack, does that make it ok for us to do that too?

Yeah, I'll take the word of ShadowMoses, from the Gamespot forums, over the word of thousands of researchers actually working in the field.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Then please explain what makes it unnatural.

toast_burner

So just because something happens and always has doesn't also automatically make it 'natural'.

That would be unnatural by definition.

[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="nedim100"]

Yeah i think having mixed gender parents is ideal because a child should have role models of both genders.Its not impossible for gays or even single parents to raise kids,but as you said it might have some nasty consequences.

nedim100

Its not really a small chance that something can go wrong.And its not that i wouldnt allow them to adopt kids,its just that i prefer mixed gender parents and would rather give those kids to straight couples if available.

Orphanages are overcrowded as it is because straight couples aren't adopting. At least not at anywhere near a rate to keep up with the amount of children going into the system.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

I won't bother quite that post

Pedophilia is natural because it's a sexual paraphilia, a sexual urge that naturally happens is perfectly natural, it may be condemned by the society, but that is a social construct, what's considered a crime now may be perfectly normal in some other cultural, or before civilization.

the reason pedophilia is natural is you're inclined to be attracted to youth for reproductive success right, not hard to figure out.

Murders are unpleasant, but you can't deny that they naturally exist, don't mix normal with natural, one thing may not be normal in our society, but still exist naturally, and there's nothing "unnatural" about murders, people have emotions, and and people lost control, people are full filled with fear, hate jealousy, all of those have evolutionary explanations, what happens if all these emotions go wrong? you murder!

Nuck81

exactly, don't mix "social morality" with natural phenomenon. One changes over time as we progress, the other, well, just happens.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]'Natural' is a conformity of the ordinary.

So just because something happens and always has doesn't also automatically make it 'natural'.

KC_Hokie

That would be unnatural by definition.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

That article just says that not all the wolves found mates so they took up to rasing cubs and taking care of the female ones when their male partners were gone or died. Some of them paired up with other male wolves, but at no point does it suggest they are gay nor does it mean they are gay.

We as humans may see a male dog mount another male dog as gay but in reality it's simply a male dog exterting dominance over the other. It doens't mean they are gay at all.

Homesexuality in animals is simply misunderstandings, people misinterpeting it. If they learn about animal behaviors they would know differently. And besides that's a terrible argument, just because animals do something doesn't make it ok. Animals also kill their young and eat the dead bodies of their pack, does that make it ok for us to do that too?

kingkong0124

Yeah, I'll take the word of ShadowMoses, from the Gamespot forums, over the word of thousands of researchers actually working in the field.

Science has a little something called "peer review". You know what that means? That means that if something isn't up to snuff about their research they'll be called out on it.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]It's not very common to see a shooting star in the sky, are they unnatural?

Nuck81

That would be unnatural by definition.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Another terrible example since they happen all the time. A better example would be a meteor crashing into the planet. A meteor so large all life over 1 feet tall is exterminated.

That would be unnatural by definition.

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]It's not very common to see a shooting star in the sky, are they unnatural?

Nuck81

That would be unnatural by definition.

Again, just because something exists and always has doesn't simultaneously make it 'natural'.

You can't start acting bizarre or develop sexual attraction to animals then claim it's 'natural' because you and your behavior merely exist and other people have made love to farm animals in the past.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]'Natural' is a conformity of the ordinary.

So just because something happens and always has doesn't also automatically make it 'natural'.

KC_Hokie

That would be unnatural by definition.

No, that would be entirely natural. It would be unpleasant, but it would be natural. The only way it would be unnatural is if some being(s) somehow artificially sent that meteor flying into the planet

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Yeah, I'll take the word of ShadowMoses, from the Gamespot forums, over the word of thousands of researchers actually working in the field.

worlock77

Science has a little something called "peer review". You know what that means? That means that if something isn't up to snuff about their research they'll be called out on it.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]It's not very common to see a shooting star in the sky, are they unnatural?

Nuck81

That would be unnatural by definition.

:lol: so true

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]It's not very common to see a shooting star in the sky, are they unnatural?

worlock77

That would be unnatural by definition.

No, that would be entirely natural. It would be unpleasant, but it would be natural. The only way it would be unnatural is if some being(s) somehow artificially sent that meteor flying into the planet

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] lol Homosexuality happens all the time. So by your very own logic, it is natural...Nuck81

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] What makes you think that we can actually have a purely objective, completely scientific study on this matter? You choose to completely believe in some of these said "researches" without taking into account social factors that might sway the results of the study. You do realize the outcry many of the people who conducted studies that prove otherwise would receive, correct? Things that oppose your notion of homosexuality as innate would receive massive outcry and would definitely be headline news the next morning. If this were to happen I expect no different from what happened to Trayvon.

kingkong0124

Science has a little something called "peer review". You know what that means? That means that if something isn't up to snuff about their research they'll be called out on it.

It really doesn't. You're simply disregarding evidence that doesn't fit your pre-conceived notions. Kinda like you accused me of doing.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Another terrible example since they happen all the time. A better example would be a meteor crashing into the planet. A meteor so large all life over 1 feet tall is exterminated.

That would be unnatural by definition.

kingkong0124

No, that would be entirely natural. It would be unpleasant, but it would be natural. The only way it would be unnatural is if some being(s) somehow artificially sent that meteor flying into the planet

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Another terrible example since they happen all the time. A better example would be a meteor crashing into the planet. A meteor so large all life over 1 feet tall is exterminated.

That would be unnatural by definition.

KC_Hokie

Again, just because something exists and always has doesn't simultaneously make it 'natural'.

You can't start acting bizarre or develop sexual attraction to animals then claim it's 'natural' because you and your behavior merely exist and other people have made love to farm animals in the past.

Do you have a problem with the mentally handicapped too?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Another terrible example since they happen all the time. A better example would be a meteor crashing into the planet. A meteor so large all life over 1 feet tall is exterminated.

That would be unnatural by definition.

kingkong0124

No, that would be entirely natural. It would be unpleasant, but it would be natural. The only way it would be unnatural is if some being(s) somehow artificially sent that meteor flying into the planet

There's absolutely nothing unnatural about a sexual paraphilia, if acted out, it may hurt others, but then again, everyone had a moment or two in life when they wanted to murder or beat up others, the emotion is natural, if acted out, it may hurt others. Like I said

Pedophilia is natural because it's a sexual paraphilia, a sexual urge that naturally happens is perfectly natural, it may be condemned by the society, but that is a social construct, what's considered a crime now may be perfectly normal in some other culture, or before civilization.

the reason pedophilia is natural is you're inclined to be attracted to youth for reproductive success right, not hard to figure out.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] lol Homosexuality happens all the time. So by your very own logic, it is natural...Aljosa23

Again, just because something exists and always has doesn't simultaneously make it 'natural'.

You can't start acting bizarre or develop sexual attraction to animals then claim it's 'natural' because you and your behavior merely exist and other people have made love to farm animals in the past.

Do you have a problem with the mentally handicapped too?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Another terrible example since they happen all the time. A better example would be a meteor crashing into the planet. A meteor so large all life over 1 feet tall is exterminated.

That would be unnatural by definition.

kingkong0124

No, that would be entirely natural. It would be unpleasant, but it would be natural. The only way it would be unnatural is if some being(s) somehow artificially sent that meteor flying into the planet

Yes. It might be atypical, it might be unplesant, it might go against societal laws, but it is natural. Now I know how you're gonna try to spin this next. Tip: don't bother, your argument will fall flat on its face. So save yourself the embarrasment.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Naw bro, it's unnatural because...well, it just is!

KC_Hokie

Sounds pretty natural to me brah.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

No, that would be entirely natural. It would be unpleasant, but it would be natural. The only way it would be unnatural is if some being(s) somehow artificially sent that meteor flying into the planet

KC_Hokie

No you're blinded by the narrow defined "morality" our society constructed, just because something may seem disgusting to you, doesn't not make it unnatural, it's may not be normal as defined by the society, but it's a natural occurance, which makes it natural.

Animals don't have sex for pleasure, their brains lack the part of sexual enjoyment. They only do it for mating purposes ONLY, not for pleasure, not for fun, not for any thing of the sort.

So the idea that there are gay animals is just misunderstood. They arn't capable of that, they don't even know what gay is, they don't have sexual identities at all. Just because two male penguins live together and raise an egg doesn't make them gay they arn't capable of that sexual act. It's not for pleasure it's for mating purposes ONLY.

Plus how would one expalain bi sexuals? They would be the ultimate mystery.And completely straigth men go to prision and become gay inside all the time, so environment defiantely has an impact.

All this doesn't really matter though, the fact is gay people should have the same rights as us straight people. Even though I may think disagree with their lifestyle doesn't give me the right do discriminate. And before you judge me all straight people feel the same way wether they admit it or not, when you get down to it the only reason we are straight is because we think being gay is wrong, it's a lifestyle we don't want to practice, it's what we all deep down really think.

This doesn't mean I hate them, again they should have all the same rights. Disagreeing does NOT equal hate.

The word natural has no clear definition. What it means is to occur without human interaction, which is silly because humans are part of nature. It's a silly word.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] Yeah, that KCHokie kid is done. He's already contradicted himself too many times. I'm sure he'll find some Christian Bible verse to come back with though...Aljosa23

Sounds pretty natural to me brah.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No. Homosexuality is outside the normal confines of biology not ordinary.

Again, just because something exists and always has doesn't simultaneously make it 'natural'.

You can't start acting bizarre or develop sexual attraction to animals then claim it's 'natural' because you and your behavior merely exist and other people have made love to farm animals in the past.

KC_Hokie

Do you have a problem with the mentally handicapped too?

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

No, that would be entirely natural. It would be unpleasant, but it would be natural. The only way it would be unnatural is if some being(s) somehow artificially sent that meteor flying into the planet

Ncsoftlover

There's absolutely nothing unnatural about a sexual paraphilia, if acted out, it may hurt others, but then again, everyone had a moment or two in life when they wanted to murder or beat up others, the emotion is natural, if acted out, it may hurt others. Like I said

Pedophilia is natural because it's a sexual paraphilia, a sexual urge that naturally happens is perfectly natural, it may be condemned by the society, but that is a social construct, what's considered a crime now may be perfectly normal in some other culture, or before civilization.

the reason pedophilia is natural is you're inclined to be attracted to youth for reproductive success right, not hard to figure out.

Yup. F*ck scientic research, we've got ShadowMoses here to set things straight.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Pedophilia is natural too then, right? Ncsoftlover

No you're blinded by the narrow defined "morality" our society constructed, just because something may seem disgusting to you, doesn't not make it unnatural, it's may not be normal as defined by the society, but it's a natural occurance, which makes it natural.

No, it's wrong. Pedophilia is completely UNNATURAL, it 's unnattarual to be sexually attracted to one that isn't capable of having sex or having kids. It's wrong and it's a perversion and it's unnatuaral.

I don't know about some of the people on here honestly....

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Pedophilia is natural too then, right? kingkong0124

There's absolutely nothing unnatural about a sexual paraphilia, if acted out, it may hurt others, but then again, everyone had a moment or two in life when they wanted to murder or beat up others, the emotion is natural, if acted out, it may hurt others. Like I said

Pedophilia is natural because it's a sexual paraphilia, a sexual urge that naturally happens is perfectly natural, it may be condemned by the society, but that is a social construct, what's considered a crime now may be perfectly normal in some other culture, or before civilization.

the reason pedophilia is natural is you're inclined to be attracted to youth for reproductive success right, not hard to figure out.

Animals don't have sex for pleasure, their brains lack the part of sexual enjoyment. They only do it for mating purposes ONLY

ShadowMoses900

Animals don't have sex for pleasure, their brains lack the part of sexual enjoyment. They only do it for mating purposes ONLY, not for pleasure, not for fun, not for any thing of the sort.

So the idea that there are gay animals is just misunderstood. They arn't capable of that, they don't even know what gay is, they don't have sexual identities at all. Just because two male penguins live together and raise an egg doesn't make them gay they arn't capable of that sexual act. It's not for pleasure it's for mating purposes ONLY.

Plus how would one expalain bi sexuals? They would be the ultimate mystery.And completely straigth men go to prision and become gay inside all the time, so environment defiantely has an impact.

All this doesn't really matter though, the fact is gay people should have the same rights as us straight people. Even though I may think disagree with their lifestyle doesn't give me the right do discriminate. And before you judge me all straight people feel the same way wether they admit it or not, when you get down to it the only reason we are straight is because we think being gay is wrong, it's a lifestyle we don't want to practice, it's what we all deep down really think.

This doesn't mean I hate them, again they should have all the same rights. Disagreeing does NOT equal hate.

ShadowMoses900

but why would anyone disagree with something just because they cannot comprehend why that thing may exist. But it does exist, that solid fact, should silent all people questioning the reasons of existence, but unfortunately it doesn't.

If its existence hurt you, or cause any distress to you, I may understand, but simple disagreeing for lack of understanding? You must know that nature is must grander than any of us, lots of things we can't fully understand.

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Pedophilia is natural too then, right? kingkong0124

There's absolutely nothing unnatural about a sexual paraphilia, if acted out, it may hurt others, but then again, everyone had a moment or two in life when they wanted to murder or beat up others, the emotion is natural, if acted out, it may hurt others. Like I said

Pedophilia is natural because it's a sexual paraphilia, a sexual urge that naturally happens is perfectly natural, it may be condemned by the society, but that is a social construct, what's considered a crime now may be perfectly normal in some other culture, or before civilization.

the reason pedophilia is natural is you're inclined to be attracted to youth for reproductive success right, not hard to figure out.

Pedophilia IS NOT natural.Its a disorder.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

No, that would be entirely natural. It would be unpleasant, but it would be natural. The only way it would be unnatural is if some being(s) somehow artificially sent that meteor flying into the planet

worlock77

Yes. It might be atypical, it might be unplesant, it might go against societal laws, but it is natural. Now I know how you're gonna try to spin this next. Tip: don't bother, your argument will fall flat on its face. So save yourself the embarrasment.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

There's absolutely nothing unnatural about a sexual paraphilia, if acted out, it may hurt others, but then again, everyone had a moment or two in life when they wanted to murder or beat up others, the emotion is natural, if acted out, it may hurt others. Like I said

Pedophilia is natural because it's a sexual paraphilia, a sexual urge that naturally happens is perfectly natural, it may be condemned by the society, but that is a social construct, what's considered a crime now may be perfectly normal in some other culture, or before civilization.

the reason pedophilia is natural is you're inclined to be attracted to youth for reproductive success right, not hard to figure out.

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

No, that would be entirely natural. It would be unpleasant, but it would be natural. The only way it would be unnatural is if some being(s) somehow artificially sent that meteor flying into the planet

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]lolwut. If something just "occurs" in nature with no outside forces, then yeah it's pretty "natural".

Do you have a problem with the mentally handicapped too?

Aljosa23

And just because something exists doesn't make it 'natural' based on naturalistic observation and sociological naturalism.

Animals don't have sex for pleasure, their brains lack the part of sexual enjoyment. They only do it for mating purposes ONLY, not for pleasure, not for fun, not for any thing of the sort.ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Pedophilia is natural too then, right? kingkong0124

There's absolutely nothing unnatural about a sexual paraphilia, if acted out, it may hurt others, but then again, everyone had a moment or two in life when they wanted to murder or beat up others, the emotion is natural, if acted out, it may hurt others. Like I said

Pedophilia is natural because it's a sexual paraphilia, a sexual urge that naturally happens is perfectly natural, it may be condemned by the society, but that is a social construct, what's considered a crime now may be perfectly normal in some other culture, or before civilization.

the reason pedophilia is natural is you're inclined to be attracted to youth for reproductive success right, not hard to figure out.

when people can't win an argument, moral attacks comes in, how new!

I'm not justifying sexual abuse, but just because something acted out can be hurtful, does not make the urge itself unnatural, like I said, the urge to beat up people, hate, jealousy, anger are all natural emtions. Sexual attraction is complex, and like I said, people tend to be attracted to youth because of reproductive success, why do you think all women are trying to keep themselves youthful looking these days?

If you're talking about children under 11, before puberty, well, it makes a bit less sense, but think of it this way, can you comprehend why people are attracted to corpses, shoes, and being tied up and whipped, but all these urges do exist, these are sexual paraphilia, and they might not be deemed normal by society, they are natural phenomenons, some of which we don't fully understand.

This is terrible, people are confusing what naturally occuring, to socially constructed "morality" which changed many many times and is still changing.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Exactly. With that trail of thought pedophilia would be deemed 'natural'. And anyone that believes that is natural needs their heads checked.kingkong0124

Also Black people used to not be able to go through the same door as Whites. It wasn't normal American Cultural Behavior. Should we have never changed?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Pedophilia is natural too then, right? kingkong0124

Yes. It might be atypical, it might be unplesant, it might go against societal laws, but it is natural. Now I know how you're gonna try to spin this next. Tip: don't bother, your argument will fall flat on its face. So save yourself the embarrasment.

You truly are an idiot. You know that?

Here since everyone thinks they are an expert, I will provide some evidence:

Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic

Only other person here who has provided contrary evidence is Riverwolf. This is from an unbiased study that was done (which is hard to find), legit research on this is very skecthy since there are millions of studies done on both sides with agendas and special interest groups.

Not saying this study proves anything, it doesn't. But at least it's unbiased and does provide some evidence.