The number one reason why Same-sex Marriage should absolutely be allowed.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]So people who have sexual attractions to goats and children are 'natural' merely due to the fact those people exist? That's a pretty bizarre belief.KC_Hokie

And just because something exists doesn't make it 'natural' based on naturalistic observation and sociological naturalism.

Yeah if something exists in natural then it's pretty natural. If it wasn't, the homosexuality gene would have been killed off long ago in evolution. The fact that something is natural doesn't mean it's a positive thing, like pedophilia. I'm in awe of your stupidity to grasp this easy concept.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Exactly. With that trail of thought pedophilia would be deemed 'natural'. And anyone that believes that is natural needs their heads checked.kingkong0124

Because homosexuality doesn't harm anyone.

This is terrible, people are confusing what naturally occuring, to socially constructed "morality" which changed many many times and is still changing.

Ncsoftlover

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

There's absolutely nothing unnatural about a sexual paraphilia, if acted out, it may hurt others, but then again, everyone had a moment or two in life when they wanted to murder or beat up others, the emotion is natural, if acted out, it may hurt others. Like I said

Pedophilia is natural because it's a sexual paraphilia, a sexual urge that naturally happens is perfectly natural, it may be condemned by the society, but that is a social construct, what's considered a crime now may be perfectly normal in some other culture, or before civilization.

the reason pedophilia is natural is you're inclined to be attracted to youth for reproductive success right, not hard to figure out.

Ncsoftlover

when people can't win an argument, moral attacks comes in, how new!

I'm not justifying sexual abuse, but just because something acted out can be hurtful, does not make the urge itself unnatural, like I said, the urge to beat up people, hate, jealousy, anger are all natural emtions. Sexual attraction is complex, and like I said, people tend to be attracted to youth because of reproductive success, why do you think all women are trying to keep themselves youthful looking these days?

If you're talking about children under 11, before puberty, well, it makes a bit less sense, but think of it think ways, can you comprehend why people are attracted to corpses, shoes, and being tied up and whipped, but all these urges do exist, these are sexual paraphilia, and they might not be deemed normal by society, they are natural phenomenons, some of which we don't fully understand.

Here since everyone thinks they are an expert, I will provide some evidence:

Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic

Only other person here who has provided contrary evidence is Riverwolf. This is from an unbiased study that was done (which is hard to find), legit research on this is very skecthy since there are millions of studies done on both sides with agendas and special interest groups.

Not saying this study proves anything, it doesn't. But at least it's unbiased and does provide some evidence.

ShadowMoses900

Concerned Women for America - yeah, that totally sounds unbiased.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Yes. It might be atypical, it might be unplesant, it might go against societal laws, but it is natural. Now I know how you're gonna try to spin this next. Tip: don't bother, your argument will fall flat on its face. So save yourself the embarrasment.

worlock77

You truly are an idiot. You know that?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Animals don't have sex for pleasure, their brains lack the part of sexual enjoyment. They only do it for mating purposes ONLY, not for pleasure, not for fun, not for any thing of the sort.Nuck81

No, the evindece supports my claim:

Sex for pleasure and Animals study

Here since everyone thinks they are an expert, I will provide some evidence:

Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic

Only other person here who has provided contrary evidence is Riverwolf. This is from an unbiased study that was done (which is hard to find), legit research on this is very skecthy since there are millions of studies done on both sides with agendas and special interest groups.

Not saying this study proves anything, it doesn't. But at least it's unbiased and does provide some evidence.

ShadowMoses900

i think you just went full pleb

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="Nuck81"]It is NATURALLY occuring. It is not normal cultural behavior. You're arguing wrong definitions.toast_burner

Because homosexuality doesn't harm anyone.

Am I being trolled right now? Cocaine is an alkaloid found in leaves of the coca plant. They isolate the chemical to make cocaine. Thus, it's pretty natural, bro.Aljosa23

Keep in mind you're talking to someone who once claimed that global warming isn't real because it snows in the arctic during winter (or some stupid sh*t like that).

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]You're implying that something being natural means that it's 100% okay. Drugs like cocaine are natural but they are far from something positive.

Aljosa23

And just because something exists doesn't make it 'natural' based on naturalistic observation and sociological naturalism.

Yeah if something exists in natural then it's pretty natural. If it wasn't, the homosexuality gene would have been killed off long ago in evolution. The fact that something is natural doesn't mean it's a positive thing, like pedophilia. I'm in awe of your stupidity to grasp this easy concept.

You definition of 'natural' is bizarre....it exists therefore 'natural'. Neat opinion but no science supports such a notion.

Here since everyone thinks they are an expert, I will provide some evidence:

Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic

Only other person here who has provided contrary evidence is Riverwolf. This is from an unbiased study that was done (which is hard to find), legit research on this is very skecthy since there are millions of studies done on both sides with agendas and special interest groups.

Not saying this study proves anything, it doesn't. But at least it's unbiased and does provide some evidence.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Here since everyone thinks they are an expert, I will provide some evidence:

Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic

Only other person here who has provided contrary evidence is Riverwolf. This is from an unbiased study that was done (which is hard to find), legit research on this is very skecthy since there are millions of studies done on both sides with agendas and special interest groups.

Not saying this study proves anything, it doesn't. But at least it's unbiased and does provide some evidence.

worlock77

Concerned Women for America - yeah, that totally sounds unbiased.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] I'll bite. So it's cool with you that thousands of little girls or boys got their lives ruined by pedophiles?... I guess we shouldn't punish pedophiles, per se, but instead we should rehabilitate them so they can live their normals lives right? Kind of like we should do to gay people. kingkong0124

You truly are an idiot. You know that?

You must be refering to something you dreamed up, I never said anything about an ass whooping.

this is one of the worst threads I've ever lurked

gg hokie and moses

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="Nuck81"]It is NATURALLY occuring. It is not normal cultural behavior. You're arguing wrong definitions.toast_burner

Because homosexuality doesn't harm anyone.

Here since everyone thinks they are an expert, I will provide some evidence:

Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic

Only other person here who has provided contrary evidence is Riverwolf. This is from an unbiased study that was done (which is hard to find), legit research on this is very skecthy since there are millions of studies done on both sides with agendas and special interest groups.

Not saying this study proves anything, it doesn't. But at least it's unbiased and does provide some evidence.

ShadowMoses900

-Science is not as grand as nature, the fact something naturally exist should silent any doubt whether it makes sense to naturally exist.

-I bet there're plenty of articles claiming exactly the opposite

-something not detrimental to the society, not hurtful to others, consentual relations should be respected regardless of genetic proof

-Science progress over time, what once can't be explained, can often be explained at later date.

Look it doesn't really matter if they born gay or not, can't we all just agree that gay couples deserve to live their lives without being harassed and should be treated with all the same rights just like we straight couples do?

That's what's important. Not wether they are born gay or wether we agree or disagree with that kind of lifestyle ect...it only matters that they get treated with the same rights as we do. And to Christians, that's what Jesus would have wanted, he would want you to love gay people and not be indifferent to them.

Here since everyone thinks they are an expert, I will provide some evidence:

Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic

Only other person here who has provided contrary evidence is Riverwolf. This is from an unbiased study that was done (which is hard to find), legit research on this is very skecthy since there are millions of studies done on both sides with agendas and special interest groups.

Not saying this study proves anything, it doesn't. But at least it's unbiased and does provide some evidence.

ShadowMoses900

the study i posted shows there are evolutionary advantages to having same sex animals that protect the offspring of related mating couples and that that is the possible origin of gay behavior.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Gay marriage is not normal American cultural behavior. Btw, I don't see you arguing vehemently for the rights of pedophiles like you are for gays. Why is that?KC_Hokie

Because homosexuality doesn't harm anyone.

lesbians less likely to get it, way to ignore half of homosexual population.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="Nuck81"]It is NATURALLY occuring. It is not normal cultural behavior. You're arguing wrong definitions.Nuck81

Also Black people used to not be able to go through the same door as Whites. It wasn't normal American Cultural Behavior. Should we have never changed?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Gay marriage is not normal American cultural behavior. Btw, I don't see you arguing vehemently for the rights of pedophiles like you are for gays. Why is that?kingkong0124

Because homosexuality doesn't harm anyone.

Besides not all gay couples have anal sex.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Ahhh... no cocaine isn't natural. Good luck finding a powered cocaine tree.

And just because something exists doesn't make it 'natural' based on naturalistic observation and sociological naturalism.

KC_Hokie

Yeah if something exists in natural then it's pretty natural. If it wasn't, the homosexuality gene would have been killed off long ago in evolution. The fact that something is natural doesn't mean it's a positive thing, like pedophilia. I'm in awe of your stupidity to grasp this easy concept.

You definition of 'natural' is bizarre....it exists therefore 'natural'. Neat opinion but no science supports such a notion.

Jesus jumped up Christ.....

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Gay marriage is not normal American cultural behavior. Btw, I don't see you arguing vehemently for the rights of pedophiles like you are for gays. Why is that?KC_Hokie

Because homosexuality doesn't harm anyone.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Gay marriage is not normal American cultural behavior. Btw, I don't see you arguing vehemently for the rights of pedophiles like you are for gays. Why is that?kingkong0124

Because homosexuality doesn't harm anyone.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Because homosexuality doesn't harm anyone.

Ncsoftlover

lesbians less likely to get it, way to ignore half of homosexual population.

And his post said homosexuality doesn't harm anyone. That's incorrect based on the disproportionate number of gay men with AIDS.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Ahhh... no cocaine isn't natural. Good luck finding a powered cocaine tree.

And just because something exists doesn't make it 'natural' based on naturalistic observation and sociological naturalism.

KC_Hokie

Yeah if something exists in natural then it's pretty natural. If it wasn't, the homosexuality gene would have been killed off long ago in evolution. The fact that something is natural doesn't mean it's a positive thing, like pedophilia. I'm in awe of your stupidity to grasp this easy concept.

You definition of 'natural' is bizarre....it exists therefore 'natural'. Neat opinion but no science supports such a notion.

natural

adjective

• 1existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind:carrots contain a natural antiseptic that fights bacterianatural disasters such as earthquake

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Gay marriage is not normal American cultural behavior. Btw, I don't see you arguing vehemently for the rights of pedophiles like you are for gays. Why is that?kingkong0124

Also Black people used to not be able to go through the same door as Whites. It wasn't normal American Cultural Behavior. Should we have never changed?

Right or wrong isn't the question here. Natural or unnatural is.

You must be refering to something you dreamed up, I never said anything about an ass whooping.worlock77

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Animals don't have sex for pleasure, their brains lack the part of sexual enjoyment. They only do it for mating purposes ONLY, not for pleasure, not for fun, not for any thing of the sort.ShadowMoses900

No, the evindece supports my claim:

Sex for pleasure and Animals study

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Because homosexuality doesn't harm anyone.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Am I being trolled right now? Cocaine is an alkaloid found in leaves of the coca plant. They isolate the chemical to make cocaine. Thus, it's pretty natural, bro.worlock77

Keep in mind you're talking to someone who once claimed that global warming isn't real because it snows in the arctic during winter (or some stupid sh*t like that).

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Gay marriage is not normal American cultural behavior. Btw, I don't see you arguing vehemently for the rights of pedophiles like you are for gays. Why is that?kingkong0124

Also Black people used to not be able to go through the same door as Whites. It wasn't normal American Cultural Behavior. Should we have never changed?

A pedophile is someone sexually attracted to a child who hasn't gone through puberty.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] Pedophiles generally lack mutual consent.

Also Black people used to not be able to go through the same door as Whites. It wasn't normal American Cultural Behavior. Should we have never changed?

worlock77

Right or wrong isn't the question here. Natural or unnatural is.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Am I being trolled right now? Cocaine is an alkaloid found in leaves of the coca plant. They isolate the chemical to make cocaine. Thus, it's pretty natural, bro.

Yeah if something exists in natural then it's pretty natural. If it wasn't, the homosexuality gene would have been killed off long ago in evolution. The fact that something is natural doesn't mean it's a positive thing, like pedophilia. I'm in awe of your stupidity to grasp this easy concept.

Aljosa23

You definition of 'natural' is bizarre....it exists therefore 'natural'. Neat opinion but no science supports such a notion.

natural

adjective

• 1existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind:carrots contain a natural antiseptic that fights bacterianatural disasters such as earthquake

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] Pedophiles generally lack mutual consent.

Also Black people used to not be able to go through the same door as Whites. It wasn't normal American Cultural Behavior. Should we have never changed?

toast_burner

A pedophile is someone sexually attracted to a child who hasn't gone through puberty.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Have we forgotten AIDS now? Gay men have a disproportionate percentage of people living with AIDS/HIV.KC_Hokie

Look it doesn't really matter if they born gay or not, can't we all just agree that gay couples deserve to live their lives without being harassed and should be treated with all the same rights just like we straight couples do?

That's what's important. Not wether they are born gay or wether we agree or disagree with that kind of lifestyle ect...it only matters that they get treated with the same rights as we do. And to Christians, that's what Jesus would have wanted, he would want you to love gay people and not be indifferent to them.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

Because homosexuality doesn't harm anyone.

Nuck81

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Lots of teenage girls give consent...you ever watch To Catch a Predator? It still doesn't change the fact that's it's wrong on many, many levels. kingkong0124

Right or wrong isn't the question here. Natural or unnatural is.

Gays do not harm anyone. Pedophiles do. I knew you were running for this sh*t stupid argument. It's been tried and easily debunked billion times before. You folks need to come up with new material.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Lots of teenage girls give consent...you ever watch To Catch a Predator? It still doesn't change the fact that's it's wrong on many, many levels. kingkong0124

A pedophile is someone sexually attracted to a child who hasn't gone through puberty.

Not if they're post-pubescent.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Here since everyone thinks they are an expert, I will provide some evidence:

Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic

Only other person here who has provided contrary evidence is Riverwolf. This is from an unbiased study that was done (which is hard to find), legit research on this is very skecthy since there are millions of studies done on both sides with agendas and special interest groups.

Not saying this study proves anything, it doesn't. But at least it's unbiased and does provide some evidence.

Nuck81

I don't know....all the gay people that I know personally give me mixed answers. Some say they think they were born gay while others say they became that way. I know a lesbian woman who became gay becasue her ex boyfriend treated her like dirt, she told me anyone can become gay That's what she honestly told me.

I also know a soldier who became gay after he was in the military and formed a bond/relationship with another soldier. He says he probably wouldn't have become gay if he didn't go to the military. Which I have no problem with because I think we should end Don't Ask Don't Tell, but that's a different matter.

And again you have to look at men who go to prision , totally straight as they go in, become gay inside. That alone is proof that someone's sexuality isn't (at least not entirely) something one is born with and can be changed.

But none of this really matters, it's about treating other people like the fellow human beings that they are and loving them. Not about this crap.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]The high spread of AIDS is due to poor sex education and proper condom use.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Am I being trolled right now? Cocaine is an alkaloid found in leaves of the coca plant. They isolate the chemical to make cocaine. Thus, it's pretty natural, bro.Aljosa23

Keep in mind you're talking to someone who once claimed that global warming isn't real because it snows in the arctic during winter (or some stupid sh*t like that).

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Cocaine has to be man-made using the coca plant and chemicals. There is no cocaine tree. Therefore, it does not occur naturally.

You definition of 'natural' is bizarre....it exists therefore 'natural'. Neat opinion but no science supports such a notion.

KC_Hokie

natural

adjective

• 1existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind:carrots contain a natural antiseptic that fights bacterianatural disasters such as earthquake

its like talking to a wall

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Homosexuality has direct links with anal sex, which also does increase the chance of cancers and other really nasty things, if I recall correctly. kingkong0124

So? the only reason gay couples have anal sex is because it feels good, if there was another form of sex that felt equally as good then they would do that instead.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Lots of teenage girls give consent...you ever watch To Catch a Predator? It still doesn't change the fact that's it's wrong on many, many levels. kingkong0124

A pedophile is someone sexually attracted to a child who hasn't gone through puberty.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythroxylum_coca

natural

adjective

• 1existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind:carrots contain a natural antiseptic that fights bacterianatural disasters such as earthquake

Aljosa23

its like talking to a wall

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Keep in mind you're talking to someone who once claimed that global warming isn't real because it snows in the arctic during winter (or some stupid sh*t like that).

kingkong0124

That isn't critical analysis, that's just bug f*ck ignorance. Although I'm not sure that you're capable of discerning the difference.