The number one reason why Same-sex Marriage should absolutely be allowed.

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I would vote against it in my state because there is lack of scientific evidence to support the notion homosexuality is natural. No gay gene or sets have genes have been discovered. In studies involving identical twins they concluded homosexuality is not genetic.

With no scientific data to support homosexuality as natural that leaves open the possibility that it's a behavior. And I won't vote for something that may be based on behavior.

If science backs homosexuality and finds a gene or whatever I will be in favor of gay marriage. I would even have to be in favor of a Constitutional amendment at that point for gays.

KC_Hokie

I don't know from which blatantly biased source you got that from, but they concluded that homosexuality is indeed genetic (in more than 50% of monozygotic twins, both of them were homosexual, even when raised in completely different environments). And you clearly don't have a clue on how psychology works; it's almost impossible to identify genes responsible for any type of behavior because the environment plays a large role in it.

Your environment helps shape your behavior. I won't vote for behavior based legislation no matter how that behavior was acquired.

You have got to be kidding me. You just repeated what I just said and pretended that it's an argument. No gay genes have been discovered, just like no "depression" and "schizophrenia" genes have been discovered because THEY CAN'T BE FOUND. Please take a basic psychology class before you make these stupid claims.

And again, you must have taken your info from republicanBiblethumpers.com because what you're saying about homosexuality is complete bullsht. Here are the two studies we learned in class:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1845227andhttp://narth.com/docs/isminor.html

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] So people with odd behaviors shouldn't be allowed to marry? I have a fingernail biting habit. Some may find it odd. Should I not be allowed to marry?worlock77

So what about people who like to have sex while handcuffed to the bedpost? Should they be allowed to get married? I mean, that's not really normal behavior.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]By behavior I obviously meant sexual orientation and behavior. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]By behavior I obviously meant sexual orientation and behavior. KC_Hokie

So what about people who like to have sex while handcuffed to the bedpost? Should they be allowed to get married? I mean, that's not really normal behavior.

Asian women are hot. Asian porn is probably my favorite kind of porn. I wish they shaved mroe often

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

I don't know from which blatantly biased source you got that from, but they concluded that homosexuality is indeed genetic (in more than 50% of monozygotic twins, both of them were homosexual, even when raised in completely different environments). And you clearly don't have a clue on how psychology works; it's almost impossible to identify genes responsible for any type of behavior because the environment plays a large role in it.

Heisenderp

Your environment helps shape your behavior. I won't vote for behavior based legislation no matter how that behavior was acquired.

You have got to be kidding me. You just repeated what I just said and pretended that it's an argument. No gay genes have been discovered, just like no "depression" and "schizophrenia" genes have been discovered because THEY CAN'T BE FOUND. Please take a basic psychology class before you make these stupid claims.

Here are the two studies we learned in class:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1845227andhttp://narth.com/docs/isminor.html

In general, twin studies show that when one male identical twin is gay-identified, the other will be gay-identified one time in nine, or only 11% of the time. The percentages are similar for female homosexuality. If homosexual behavior, attractions and identity were completely genetic, the similarity would be closer to 100%.

"In a nutshell, if you take pairs of identical twins in which one twin is homosexual, the identical co-twin is usually not homosexual. That means, given that identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. No-one is born gay -Dr. Dr. Neil Whitehead

http://current.com/community/89099881_we-are-not-born-gay-sweedish-twin-study-shows.htm

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Do you have a link? The largest study on identical twins clearly stated homosexuality is not genetic. And no gay gene or sets of genes have ever been discovered. (Some scientist 7-8 years ago claimed he found some but his findings fell apart under peer review).

Your environment helps shape your behavior. I won't vote for behavior based legislation no matter how that behavior was acquired.

KC_Hokie

You have got to be kidding me. You just repeated what I just said and pretended that it's an argument. No gay genes have been discovered, just like no "depression" and "schizophrenia" genes have been discovered because THEY CAN'T BE FOUND. Please take a basic psychology class before you make these stupid claims.

Here are the two studies we learned in class:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1845227andhttp://narth.com/docs/isminor.html

In general, twin studies show that when one male identical twin is gay-identified, the other will be gay-identified one time in nine, or only 11% of the time. The percentages are similar for female homosexuality. If homosexual behavior, attractions and identity were completely genetic, the similarity would be closer to 100%.

"In a nutshell, if you take pairs of identical twins in which one twin is homosexual, the identical co-twin is usually not homosexual. That means, given that identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. No-one is born gay -Dr. Dr. Neil Whitehead

http://current.com/community/89099881_we-are-not-born-gay-sweedish-twin-study-shows.htm

Homosexuality not being created by a gene, does not mean is a choice behavior

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

You have got to be kidding me. You just repeated what I just said and pretended that it's an argument. No gay genes have been discovered, just like no "depression" and "schizophrenia" genes have been discovered because THEY CAN'T BE FOUND. Please take a basic psychology class before you make these stupid claims.

Here are the two studies we learned in class:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1845227andhttp://narth.com/docs/isminor.html

Nuck81

In general, twin studies show that when one male identical twin is gay-identified, the other will be gay-identified one time in nine, or only 11% of the time. The percentages are similar for female homosexuality. If homosexual behavior, attractions and identity were completely genetic, the similarity would be closer to 100%.

"In a nutshell, if you take pairs of identical twins in which one twin is homosexual, the identical co-twin is usually not homosexual. That means, given that identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. No-one is born gay -Dr. Dr. Neil Whitehead

http://current.com/community/89099881_we-are-not-born-gay-sweedish-twin-study-shows.htm

This thread is now about hot asian women

And so on

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yea, and did you read the study?

In general, twin studies show that when one male identical twin is gay-identified, the other will be gay-identified one time in nine, or only 11% of the time. The percentages are similar for female homosexuality. If homosexual behavior, attractions and identity were completely genetic, the similarity would be closer to 100%.

"In a nutshell, if you take pairs of identical twins in which one twin is homosexual, the identical co-twin is usually not homosexual. That means, given that identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. No-one is born gay -Dr. Dr. Neil Whitehead

http://current.com/community/89099881_we-are-not-born-gay-sweedish-twin-study-shows.htm

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]However, I must admit that I'm not too crazy about letting same-sex couples raise children.Nuck81

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] That really doesn't mean anything. And it's absolutely not definitive. If this study were true then every single set of Identical twins would have the exact same personality, likes, dislikes, fears, motivations, etc.. but only an idiot would say that is reality. Just because you are an Identical twin just not mean you not an individual.Nuck81

However, there are no gay genes. No sets of genes. And the latest and biggest identical twin study concluded there is no gay gene. You are not born gay

Science would have to prove homosexuality is not a choice for me to believe that it's not. If they can then I will be in favor of gay marriage. And like I said if a gay gene is discovered eventually I will also be in favor.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]This study, the largest of it's kind, concluded homosexuality is NOT genetic. That was my whole point. KC_Hokie

However, there are no gay genes. No sets of genes. And the latest and biggest identical twin study concluded there is no gay gene. You are not born gay

Science would have to prove homosexuality is not a choice for me to believe that it's not. If they can then I will be in favor of gay marriage. And like I said if a gay gene is discovered eventually I will also be in favor.

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Do you have a link? The largest study on identical twins clearly stated homosexuality is not genetic. And no gay gene or sets of genes have ever been discovered. (Some scientist 7-8 years ago claimed he found some but his findings fell apart under peer review).

Your environment helps shape your behavior. I won't vote for behavior based legislation no matter how that behavior was acquired.

KC_Hokie

You have got to be kidding me. You just repeated what I just said and pretended that it's an argument. No gay genes have been discovered, just like no "depression" and "schizophrenia" genes have been discovered because THEY CAN'T BE FOUND. Please take a basic psychology class before you make these stupid claims.

Here are the two studies we learned in class:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1845227andhttp://narth.com/docs/isminor.html

In general, twin studies show that when one male identical twin is gay-identified, the other will be gay-identified one time in nine, or only 11% of the time. The percentages are similar for female homosexuality. If homosexual behavior, attractions and identity were completely genetic, the similarity would be closer to 100%.

"In a nutshell, if you take pairs of identical twins in which one twin is homosexual, the identical co-twin is usually not homosexual. That means, given that identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. No-one is born gay -Dr. Dr. Neil Whitehead

http://current.com/community/89099881_we-are-not-born-gay-sweedish-twin-study-shows.htm

Of course I read the studies, I had an exam on it... And which one are you talking about? The first (Bailey and Pillard) showed a 50% correlation, not 11%, and the second one concludes that genetics play a minor role. The link you gave has nothing to do with either. Anyone who's not a complete dumbass and who knows how the scientific method works would know that you can't "conclude" anything from the studies until you get non conflicting results.

And like I said, you should stop reading from shtty sources like these. The guy didn't even give the name of the person who conducted the study or the methodology he used, which automatically destroys any scientific credibility he might have. He didn't even mention other studies, just the one that confirms what he thinks. He also misspelled "Swedish", ffs.

"In general, twin studies..." Such a shameless use of weasel words. Where the hell did he get the 11% from?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] That does not mean it is a CHOICE and based solely on behaviour. As has been said Depression and other mental illnesses haven't been discovered to be caused by a specific gene. But that doesn't mean the individual could control whether they developed it or not.toast_burner

However, there are no gay genes. No sets of genes. And the latest and biggest identical twin study concluded there is no gay gene. You are not born gay

Science would have to prove homosexuality is not a choice for me to believe that it's not. If they can then I will be in favor of gay marriage. And like I said if a gay gene is discovered eventually I will also be in favor.

Scientists don't know enough about homosexuality for me to be in favor of gay marriage. All sorts of legal rights and protections are provided when you get married.

And, again, I don't care if other states have gay marriage as long as my state and the federal government doesn't have to recognize it.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] That does not mean it is a CHOICE and based solely on behaviour. As has been said Depression and other mental illnesses haven't been discovered to be caused by a specific gene. But that doesn't mean the individual could control whether they developed it or not.KC_Hokie

However, there are no gay genes. No sets of genes. And the latest and biggest identical twin study concluded there is no gay gene. You are not born gay

Science would have to prove homosexuality is not a choice for me to believe that it's not. If they can then I will be in favor of gay marriage. And like I said if a gay gene is discovered eventually I will also be in favor.

They've actually found genes or sets of genes for metal illnesses. They can even look at your genes and tell you have the alcoholism set of genes.

However, there are no gay genes. No sets of genes. And the latest and biggest identical twin study concluded there is no gay gene. You are not born gay

Science would have to prove homosexuality is not a choice for me to believe that it's not. If they can then I will be in favor of gay marriage. And like I said if a gay gene is discovered eventually I will also be in favor.

KC_Hokie

As I said the Identical Twin study really proves nothing.

From a Genetesist

To try to sort out environment and genes, scientists often do a twin study. In a twin study, identical twins are compared to fraternal twins. If something happens more often in identical twins, then that something is influenced by genes. How does a twin study show something runs in a family? Remember, identical twins have exactly the same genes. Fraternal twins share only as many genes as any brother or sister. Because twins are born at the same time, the environment is as same as possible for them. So if something happens more often in identical than in fraternal twins, then it is most likely because they share the same genes. A number of studies have looked at homosexuality in twins, all with similar results. For example, in one study, if one identical twin was gay the other was also gay 50% of the time. If they were fraternal twins, they were both gay 22% of the time. And if one was adopted, the chances fell to 11%. Now these numbers are from one study. Other studies have different percentages but the same trend -- identical twins are more likely to both be gay as compared to fraternal twins. This strongly suggests that there is a genetic component -- there is something in their genes that makes them more likely to be gay Genetics, though, isn't everything.

So this basically boils down to your personal homophobia and the denial of rights to a specific type of people. Cool.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]This study, the largest of it's kind, concluded homosexuality is NOT genetic. That was my whole point. KC_Hokie

Yeah, now you're just making stuff up as you go. Any psychologist would facedesk if they read what you just posted.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

You have got to be kidding me. You just repeated what I just said and pretended that it's an argument. No gay genes have been discovered, just like no "depression" and "schizophrenia" genes have been discovered because THEY CAN'T BE FOUND. Please take a basic psychology class before you make these stupid claims.

Here are the two studies we learned in class:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1845227andhttp://narth.com/docs/isminor.html

Heisenderp

In general, twin studies show that when one male identical twin is gay-identified, the other will be gay-identified one time in nine, or only 11% of the time. The percentages are similar for female homosexuality. If homosexual behavior, attractions and identity were completely genetic, the similarity would be closer to 100%.

"In a nutshell, if you take pairs of identical twins in which one twin is homosexual, the identical co-twin is usually not homosexual. That means, given that identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. No-one is born gay -Dr. Dr. Neil Whitehead

http://current.com/community/89099881_we-are-not-born-gay-sweedish-twin-study-shows.htm

Of course I read the studies, I had an exam on it... And which one are you talking about? The first (Bailey and Pillard) showed a 50% correlation, not 11%, and the second one concludes that genetics play a minor role. The link you gave has nothing to do with either. Anyone who's not a complete dumbass and who knows how the scientific method works would know that you can't "conclude" anything from the studies until you get non conflicting results.

And like I said, you should stop reading from shtty sources like these. The guy didn't even give the name of the person who conducted the study or the methodology he used, which automatically destroys any scientific credibility he might have. He didn't even mention other studies, just the one that confirms what he thinks. He also misspelled "Swedish", ffs.

"In general, twin studies..." Such a shameless use of weasel words. Where the hell did he get the 11% from?

The link I provided is the same study as that second one you posted.

"That is, if one identical twin--male or female--has SSA, the chances are only about 10% that the co-twin also has it. In other words, identical twins usually differ for SSA."

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] That does not mean it is a CHOICE and based solely on behaviour. As has been said Depression and other mental illnesses haven't been discovered to be caused by a specific gene. But that doesn't mean the individual could control whether they developed it or not.Heisenderp

Yeah, now you're just making stuff up as you go. Any psychologist would facedesk if they read what you just posted.

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yea, and did you read the study?

In general, twin studies show that when one male identical twin is gay-identified, the other will be gay-identified one time in nine, or only 11% of the time. The percentages are similar for female homosexuality. If homosexual behavior, attractions and identity were completely genetic, the similarity would be closer to 100%.

"In a nutshell, if you take pairs of identical twins in which one twin is homosexual, the identical co-twin is usually not homosexual. That means, given that identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. No-one is born gay -Dr. Dr. Neil Whitehead

http://current.com/community/89099881_we-are-not-born-gay-sweedish-twin-study-shows.htm

KC_Hokie

Of course I read the studies, I had an exam on it... And which one are you talking about? The first (Bailey and Pillard) showed a 50% correlation, not 11%, and the second one concludes that genetics play a minor role. The link you gave has nothing to do with either. Anyone who's not a complete dumbass and who knows how the scientific method works would know that you can't "conclude" anything from the studies until you get non conflicting results.

And like I said, you should stop reading from shtty sources like these. The guy didn't even give the name of the person who conducted the study or the methodology he used, which automatically destroys any scientific credibility he might have. He didn't even mention other studies, just the one that confirms what he thinks. He also misspelled "Swedish", ffs.

"In general, twin studies..." Such a shameless use of weasel words. Where the hell did he get the 11% from?

The link I provided is the same study as that second one you posted.

"That is, if one identical twin--male or female--has SSA, the chances are only about 10% that the co-twin also has it. In other words, identical twins usually differ for SSA."

Now you're not even trying. The very title of the article you linked claims that while minor, genetics does play a role. Also there are MANY other factors that can contribute to how a person is hardwired other than genetics.

"

In the womb, things happen that can affect how we develop. A surge of hormones here, a viral infection there, and we are not the same as we would be without these environmental factors.

Handedness is an example of this. Some people have genes that make them more likely to be left-handed. Not all of these folks end up lefties, though.

Something else has to happen while they are developing. Scientists haven't pinpointed what this something is but it is the combination of genes and environment that makes someone left-handed.

Maybe something similar happens with gay people. And since the brain continues to develop after we're born, the environment can affect how our brain develops even after we are born.

The key here, though, is that this all affects how our brains are hardwired. It isn't a choice or something like that, a brain has been configured to be attracted to the same sex."

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]They've actually found genes or sets of genes for metal illnesses. They can even look at your genes and tell you have the alcoholism set of genes.

However, there are no gay genes. No sets of genes. And the latest and biggest identical twin study concluded there is no gay gene. You are not born gay

Science would have to prove homosexuality is not a choice for me to believe that it's not. If they can then I will be in favor of gay marriage. And like I said if a gay gene is discovered eventually I will also be in favor.

KC_Hokie

Scientists don't know enough about homosexuality for me to be in favor of gay marriage. All sorts of legal rights and protections are provided when you get married.

And, again, I don't care if other states have gay marriage as long as my state and the federal government doesn't have to recognize it.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

Of course I read the studies, I had an exam on it... And which one are you talking about? The first (Bailey and Pillard) showed a 50% correlation, not 11%, and the second one concludes that genetics play a minor role. The link you gave has nothing to do with either. Anyone who's not a complete dumbass and who knows how the scientific method works would know that you can't "conclude" anything from the studies until you get non conflicting results.

And like I said, you should stop reading from shtty sources like these. The guy didn't even give the name of the person who conducted the study or the methodology he used, which automatically destroys any scientific credibility he might have. He didn't even mention other studies, just the one that confirms what he thinks. He also misspelled "Swedish", ffs.

"In general, twin studies..." Such a shameless use of weasel words. Where the hell did he get the 11% from?

Nuck81

The link I provided is the same study as that second one you posted.

"That is, if one identical twin--male or female--has SSA, the chances are only about 10% that the co-twin also has it. In other words, identical twins usually differ for SSA."

Now you're not even trying. The very title of the article you linked claims that while minor, genetics does play a role. Also there are MANY other factors that can contribute to how a person is hardwired other than genetics.

"

In the womb, things happen that can affect how we develop. A surge of hormones here, a viral infection there, and we are not the same as we would be without these environmental factors.

Handedness is an example of this. Some people have genes that make them more likely to be left-handed. Not all of these folks end up lefties, though.

Something else has to happen while they are developing. Scientists haven't pinpointed what this something is but it is the combination of genes and environment that makes someone left-handed.

Maybe something similar happens with gay people. And since the brain continues to develop after we're born, the environment can affect how our brain develops even after we are born.

The key here, though, is that this all affects how our brains are hardwired. It isn't a choice or something like that, a brain has been configured to be attracted to the same sex."

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Why does it have to be caused by genes for you to support it? What causes it doesn't change the fact that two people love each other and want to marry.

toast_burner

Scientists don't know enough about homosexuality for me to be in favor of gay marriage. All sorts of legal rights and protections are provided when you get married.

And, again, I don't care if other states have gay marriage as long as my state and the federal government doesn't have to recognize it.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]If something is genetic you can't change it. You were born that way. And I support laws giving these people equal rights and privileges.

Scientists don't know enough about homosexuality for me to be in favor of gay marriage. All sorts of legal rights and protections are provided when you get married.

And, again, I don't care if other states have gay marriage as long as my state and the federal government doesn't have to recognize it.

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Skin bleaching allows you to change your skin colour, I guess racism is ok now.

toast_burner

I have a better reason: Equality is good.

I have a better reason: Equality is good.

airshocker

Sure, but equality doesn't equal getting to do what you want. KC_Hokie

Men and women can marry. If the state is involved in the institution it has to be fair. That means homosexuals have to be allowed to marry.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The first study was from 1991, criticized by peers for their selection process, and was far too small. The second study was large and concluded you are not born gay and there is no gay gene.

The link I provided is the same study as that second one you posted.

"That is, if one identical twin--male or female--has SSA, the chances are only about 10% that the co-twin also has it. In other words, identical twins usually differ for SSA."

KC_Hokie

Now you're not even trying. The very title of the article you linked claims that while minor, genetics does play a role. Also there are MANY other factors that can contribute to how a person is hardwired other than genetics.

"

In the womb, things happen that can affect how we develop. A surge of hormones here, a viral infection there, and we are not the same as we would be without these environmental factors.

Handedness is an example of this. Some people have genes that make them more likely to be left-handed. Not all of these folks end up lefties, though.

Something else has to happen while they are developing. Scientists haven't pinpointed what this something is but it is the combination of genes and environment that makes someone left-handed.

Maybe something similar happens with gay people. And since the brain continues to develop after we're born, the environment can affect how our brain develops even after we are born.

The key here, though, is that this all affects how our brains are hardwired. It isn't a choice or something like that, a brain has been configured to be attracted to the same sex."

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Sure, but equality doesn't equal getting to do what you want. airshocker

Men and women can marry. If the state is involved in the institution it has to be fair. That means homosexuals have to be allowed to marry.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Nuck81"]LOL

Now you're not even trying. The very title of the article you linked claims that while minor, genetics does play a role. Also there are MANY other factors that can contribute to how a person is hardwired other than genetics.

"

In the womb, things happen that can affect how we develop. A surge of hormones here, a viral infection there, and we are not the same as we would be without these environmental factors.

Handedness is an example of this. Some people have genes that make them more likely to be left-handed. Not all of these folks end up lefties, though.

Something else has to happen while they are developing. Scientists haven't pinpointed what this something is but it is the combination of genes and environment that makes someone left-handed.

Maybe something similar happens with gay people. And since the brain continues to develop after we're born, the environment can affect how our brain develops even after we are born.

The key here, though, is that this all affects how our brains are hardwired. It isn't a choice or something like that, a brain has been configured to be attracted to the same sex."

Nuck81

"In a nutshell, if you take pairs of identical twins in which one twin is homosexual, the identical co-twin is usually not homosexual. That means, given that identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. No-one is born gay "

Both quotes from the Dr. performing the study.

And the study say there is no linkage between genes and being gay That's not the same as there not being a gay gene out there. It's still possible but it look unlikely after this study.

No. If a state says marriage it between a man and a woman that applies to all men and women. You subsequently don't have to change the law to include another social group merely because they claim inequality. KC_Hokie

I don't really care what a state has to say about it. Claim inequality? Inequality is present due to the fact that in some states only men and women can get married.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yea...the study was focused on genetics and the data says there is no genetic linkage. You are not born gayKC_Hokie

"In a nutshell, if you take pairs of identical twins in which one twin is homosexual, the identical co-twin is usually not homosexual. That means, given that identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. No-one is born gay "

Both quotes from the Dr. performing the study.

And the study say there is no linkage between genes and being gay That's not the same as there not being a gay gene out there. It's still possible but it look unlikely after this study.

Do you intentionally ignore everything people say, or is it in your genes? I already told you that your link was complete garbage. Dr. Whiteface (or whatever the fck his name is) didn't conduct the study, it was Santtila, he "paraphrased" the conclusion, but in reality, he changed it completely. Stop trying to pass this off as a credibly source. How about you read on the actual study instead of buying all the sht he's saying? It's in the goddamn abstract if you're too lazy do even do that: genetics play a minor role. Even if it weren't the case, you still repeat the same garbage about the "definitive conclusion" that homosexuality is not genetic, which is, like I said like 5 times already, a garbage conclusion and a disgrace to the scientific method.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No. If a state says marriage it between a man and a woman that applies to all men and women. You subsequently don't have to change the law to include another social group merely because they claim inequality. airshocker

I don't really care what a state has to say about it. Claim inequality? Inequality is present due to the fact that in some states only men and women can get married.

How is that inequality? A gay guy can still marry a women if he wants. The law applies equally to everyone. KC_Hokie

Now you're just being obtuse for the hell of it and I won't play that game with you. As a matter of fact, I think I deserve a little bit better than that.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] Did you read the article? The one you provided and the one I provided. They both said that yes you ARE born Gay and there is little you can do about it. Yours only said that Genetics plays a minor role. But it is still a factor. Now you are being intentionally obtuse. Your Natural argument got blown out of the water, now your genetic argument is disproven as well. What will you turn to next?Heisenderp

"In a nutshell, if you take pairs of identical twins in which one twin is homosexual, the identical co-twin is usually not homosexual. That means, given that identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. No-one is born gay "

Both quotes from the Dr. performing the study.

And the study say there is no linkage between genes and being gay That's not the same as there not being a gay gene out there. It's still possible but it look unlikely after this study.

Do you intentionally ignore everything people say, or is it in your genes? I already told you that your link was complete garbage. Dr. Whiteface (or whatever the fck his name is) didn't conduct the study, it was Santtila, he "paraphrased" the conclusion, but in reality, he changed it completely. Stop trying to pass this off as a credibly source. How about you read on the actual study instead of buying all the sht he's saying? It's in the goddamn abstract if you're too lazy do even do that: genetics play a minor role. Even if it weren't the case, you still repeat the same garbage about the "definitive conclusion" that homosexuality is not genetic, which is, like I said like 5 times already, a garbage conclusion and a disgrace to the scientific method.

Whatever makes you happy.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No. If a state says marriage it between a man and a woman that applies to all men and women. You subsequently don't have to change the law to include another social group merely because they claim inequality. KC_Hokie

I don't really care what a state has to say about it. Claim inequality? Inequality is present due to the fact that in some states only men and women can get married.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yea...the study was focused on genetics and the data says there is no genetic linkage. You are not born gayKC_Hokie

"In a nutshell, if you take pairs of identical twins in which one twin is homosexual, the identical co-twin is usually not homosexual. That means, given that identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. No-one is born gay "

Both quotes from the Dr. performing the study.

And the study say there is no linkage between genes and being gay That's not the same as there not being a gay gene out there. It's still possible but it look unlikely after this study.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]How is that inequality? A gay guy can still marry a women if he wants. The law applies equally to everyone. airshocker

Now you're just being obtuse for the hell of it and I won't play that game with you. As a matter of fact, I think I deserve a little bit better than that.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] Did you read the article? The one you provided and the one I provided. They both said that yes you ARE born Gay and there is little you can do about it. Yours only said that Genetics plays a minor role. But it is still a factor. Now you are being intentionally obtuse. Your Natural argument got blown out of the water, now your genetic argument is disproven as well. What will you turn to next?Nuck81

"In a nutshell, if you take pairs of identical twins in which one twin is homosexual, the identical co-twin is usually not homosexual. That means, given that identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. No-one is born gay "

Both quotes from the Dr. performing the study.

And the study say there is no linkage between genes and being gay That's not the same as there not being a gay gene out there. It's still possible but it look unlikely after this study.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No. If a state says marriage it between a man and a woman that applies to all men and women. You subsequently don't have to change the law to include another social group merely because they claim inequality. KC_Hokie

I don't really care what a state has to say about it. Claim inequality? Inequality is present due to the fact that in some states only men and women can get married.

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]NO! "That is, if one identical twin--male or female--has SSA, the chances are only about 10% that the co-twin also has it. In other words, identical twins usually differ for SSA."

"In a nutshell, if you take pairs of identical twins in which one twin is homosexual, the identical co-twin is usually not homosexual. That means, given that identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. No-one is born gay "

Both quotes from the Dr. performing the study.

And the study say there is no linkage between genes and being gay That's not the same as there not being a gay gene out there. It's still possible but it look unlikely after this study.

KC_Hokie

Do you intentionally ignore everything people say, or is it in your genes? I already told you that your link was complete garbage. Dr. Whiteface (or whatever the fck his name is) didn't conduct the study, it was Santtila, he "paraphrased" the conclusion, but in reality, he changed it completely. Stop trying to pass this off as a credibly source. How about you read on the actual study instead of buying all the sht he's saying? It's in the goddamn abstract if you're too lazy do even do that: genetics play a minor role. Even if it weren't the case, you still repeat the same garbage about the "definitive conclusion" that homosexuality is not genetic, which is, like I said like 5 times already, a garbage conclusion and a disgrace to the scientific method.

Whatever makes you happy.

Yeah, ignore everything I said once again and appeal to ridicule. Why are homophobes this brainless? And that guy must have no life if he has a fcking Phd in "genealogy".

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

Do you intentionally ignore everything people say, or is it in your genes? I already told you that your link was complete garbage. Dr. Whiteface (or whatever the fck his name is) didn't conduct the study, it was Santtila, he "paraphrased" the conclusion, but in reality, he changed it completely. Stop trying to pass this off as a credibly source. How about you read on the actual study instead of buying all the sht he's saying? It's in the goddamn abstract if you're too lazy do even do that: genetics play a minor role. Even if it weren't the case, you still repeat the same garbage about the "definitive conclusion" that homosexuality is not genetic, which is, like I said like 5 times already, a garbage conclusion and a disgrace to the scientific method.

Heisenderp

Whatever makes you happy.

Yeah, ignore everything I said once again and appeal to ridicule. Why are homophobes this brainless? And that guy must have no life if he has a fcking Phd in "genealogy".

Also, we see a continuation of an already-established trend the more recent and better-conducted the study, the smaller the detected genetic influence on SSA.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]NO! "That is, if one identical twin--male or female--has SSA, the chances are only about 10% that the co-twin also has it. In other words, identical twins usually differ for SSA."

"In a nutshell, if you take pairs of identical twins in which one twin is homosexual, the identical co-twin is usually not homosexual. That means, given that identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. No-one is born gay "

Both quotes from the Dr. performing the study.

And the study say there is no linkage between genes and being gay That's not the same as there not being a gay gene out there. It's still possible but it look unlikely after this study.

KC_Hokie

This is my last time. If you "LJ" this post then it just confirms that you know you're done, and are desperate.

Are we Born Gay Science suggests YES

Homo Or Hetero? The Neurobiological Dimension Of Sexual Orientation - Spoiler "Clearly the basis of sexual orientation is in the brain and differences in brain structure and function and the province of neurology"

Non-sex genes 'link to gay trait'

How homosexuality is 'inherited'

Born gay How biology may drive orientation - Animal Study-A growing number of studies suggest homosexual orientation ? in sheep, rodents and humans ? has genetic and hormonal roots.

How long before you realize KC_hookie is a troll.

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]So now there is a conspiracy on the part of this research scientist with a specialty in genealogy?

Whatever makes you happy.

KC_Hokie

Yeah, ignore everything I said once again and appeal to ridicule. Why are homophobes this brainless? And that guy must have no life if he has a fcking Phd in "genealogy".

Also, we see a continuation of an already-established trend the more recent and better-conducted the study, the smaller the detected genetic influence on SSA.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"]

Yeah, ignore everything I said once again and appeal to ridicule. Why are homophobes this brainless? And that guy must have no life if he has a fcking Phd in "genealogy".

Nuck81

Also, we see a continuation of an already-established trend the more recent and better-conducted the study, the smaller the detected genetic influence on SSA.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]"Twin studies are favorites of mine because of the potential light they throw on the origins of same-sex attractions (SSA). The latest one (Santtila et al., 2008) is three times larger than any previous study in fact, larger than all the rest put together. Does this latest study teach us something new? Quick answer: No. It confirms the best recent studies, which tell us that genetic factors are minor; non-genetic factors are major.

Also, we see a continuation of an already-established trend the more recent and better-conducted the study, the smaller the detected genetic influence on SSA.

themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Nuck81"]Yes that it is not entirely genetic, although genetics plays a minor role, and that there are other factors that conclude if a person is hardwired to be Gay or not. At no point does this study prove that people are not born Gay it only concludes that it is not entirely genetic.Nuck81

Thanks that's very interesting. Certainly sounds more tolerant than most other religions have been. It's still a 19th century religion so it's not so strange that homosexuality is forbidden.

Btw I will have a chance to see the Universal House of Justice this summer.

It's a FACT that gay people are more risk and have higher rates of HIV than straight people. This is a FACT, the CDC even says it is. I don't see how anyone can deny this.

Of course if they want to practice that lifestyle that's their business and right to do so, but don't pretend it doesn't have consequences or risks involved. It most certianly does.

Still that is no reason to deny them rights just because they practice a lifestyle that we think is wrong.

ShadowMoses900

I'll try to say this one last time

1. The fact the Lesbian (half of all homosexual population) have a lesser rate of AIDS infection, balance out the claim the homosexuality lead to higher Aids infection in general, it is true that gay men do get it at higher rate, but that's more of the risk associated with anal sex, which straight couple practice as well, so if you're straight, promiscuous, and have anal sex, the risk is probably all the same.

2. Social pressure of coming out, society for many years failed to recognize these partnership, the discrination led to depression, drug abuse, and of course, mindless casual sexual release, those are social problems, it has nothing to do with homosexuality, but everything to do with social attitude, actually, if anything, legalizing same sex marriage, may just help promote monogamy, not that there's anything wrong not following monogamy. As the society become more tolerant, gay people are more comfortable with the way they are, the HIV infection rate decreased as well, as you may have noticed, so suppression does not solve the problem, acceptance and tolerance does, this is something that has to be understood.

3.This is not directly to you by the way. You can't just say, one group of people are at higher risk of a certain condition, and conclude this group must not be natural. That's equivalent of saying, white people are more likely to have skin cancer than asians, therefore, because of this one condition, white people are not natural existence, they're detrimental to society, and are not natural, it really does sound as silly as that.Or it's like saying, black people statistically speaking are more likely to commit crime, therefore, they are not naturally meant to exist, it cannot possibily be associated with the society expectation, and the environement of brought up. Like someone here was saying, gay people are more susceptible to HIV infection that means they're hurting others, they should not exist, not natural, and is detrimental to the society, and they need to be subjected to further repression (seriously, what does that achieve) whoever said that, it sounds really silly.