The PC vs Mac debate.

What is it with this? People get really worked up over it. I just don't see why I should care at all. Seriously, I've seen some people who are so extreme in their Mac loving that they said "All PC owners are (inapropriate name here.)" i just don't see why people get so into it. Perhaps OT can help me with this?

It starts because most PC users don't have a clue about Macs... and yet talk bad about them.SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]It starts because most PC users don't have a clue about Macs... and yet talk bad about them.chessmaster1989

It's like Religion. When someone contains an unreasonable amount of faith into one particular product, they seek justification for their purchase to offset lingering doubt.

A higher percentage of Mac users will be familiar with PCs than vice versa.SolidSnake35

And because people make unsubstantiated claims about the other's userbase...chessmaster1989

Oh look, what I just posted applies once again!

Because it's fun to debate. :Dchessmaster1989

Oh look, what I just posted applies once again!chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Oh look, what I just posted applies once again!SolidSnake35

Wow... by asking about this, I have set in motion an argument about PC vs Mac. I want everyone to know, I did not intend for this to happen!

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Because it's fun to debate. :DOICWUTUDIDTHAR

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Oh look, what I just posted applies once again!chessmaster1989

Cool I'm a PC owner.....so I can be an inappropriate name.:oLJS9502_basic

Yeah I also own PC... not gonna lie it ticked me off when she said that not because she was saying that about PC owners but because of the generalization.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] How could it possibly be false? Everyone grows up using a PC because of the market share.SolidSnake35

I never made a claim that there are many people who don't know how to use a PC, I merely question your claim that many more people don't know how to use a Mac than how to use a PC. "Common sense" aside (not being a very compelling argument), what evidence do you have to support it?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Not necessarily true, I've known people who've used Macs their whole lives (and, conversely, people who've used PCs their whole lives). If you're going to make broad generalizations about a group of people, you should back them up.chessmaster1989

I never made a claim that there are many people who don't know how to use a PC, I merely question your claim that many more people don't know how to use a Mac than how to use a PC. "Common sense" aside (not being a very compelling argument), what evidence do you have to support it?

I'm just going to leave this here...

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] I won't conduct research where common sense suffices. You're the one making the bold claim that there are many people who don't know how to use a PC. My claim is not so bold. My claim is that most people don't know how to use a Mac.SolidSnake35

I never made a claim that there are many people who don't know how to use a PC, I merely question your claim that many more people don't know how to use a Mac than how to use a PC. "Common sense" aside (not being a very compelling argument), what evidence do you have to support it?

Because market share isn't a great indicator of whether or not people have come into contact with a PC/Mac. You use computers aside from your individual computer at various times (using a friends/family member's computer, using a school/business computer, etc.). For example, I don't own a Mac, but I've used one many times in the last (academic) year helping a friend with Stata.

So I don't find an argument from market share convincing. It only indicates the percentage of each type of computer available, not how many people have come into contact with each kind.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

I never made a claim that there are many people who don't know how to use a PC, I merely question your claim that many more people don't know how to use a Mac than how to use a PC. "Common sense" aside (not being a very compelling argument), what evidence do you have to support it?

chessmaster1989

Because market share isn't a great indicator of whether or not people have come into contact with a PC/Mac. You use computers aside from your individual computer at various times (using a friends/family member's computer, using a school/business computer, etc.). For example, I don't own a Mac, but I've used one many times in the last (academic) year helping a friend with Stata.

So I don't find an argument from market share convincing. It only indicates the percentage of each type of computer available, not how many people have come into contact with each kind.

Because Mac owners are trying to justify the money they wasted on their overpriced things.

I can do just about everything a Mac can on PC for far less plus more gaming which is why I don't own a Mac.

I'm just going to leave this here...

gameguy6700

It starts because most PC users don't have a clue about Macs... and yet talk bad about them.SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] I told you already. Market share. Because of that, more people will have come into contact with a PC and not a Mac. If you disagree, I suggest you explain why that wouldn't be so.SolidSnake35

Because market share isn't a great indicator of whether or not people have come into contact with a PC/Mac. You use computers aside from your individual computer at various times (using a friends/family member's computer, using a school/business computer, etc.). For example, I don't own a Mac, but I've used one many times in the last (academic) year helping a friend with Stata.

So I don't find an argument from market share convincing. It only indicates the percentage of each type of computer available, not how many people have come into contact with each kind.

Sarcasm aside, I'm still waiting on a convincing argument for your broad, thus far unsubstantiated claim regarding the PC userbase.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]It starts because most PC users don't have a clue about Macs... and yet talk bad about them.chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]It starts because most PC users don't have a clue about Macs... and yet talk bad about them.SolidSnake35

Right clicking isn't even a real argument made, it's just an "icing on the cake" type thing. :? If you're really seeing a lot of these users, you'd know they have much bigger complaints.

And Macs (at least the ones that I've used) don't have a right-click mouse in the same way. You use control + mouse, which is remarkably less convenient than just having a right mouse button.

Whether it's iMacs, iPhones or iPods you can be sure there's a device out there for half the price that does the same thing.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] By the way, SolidSnake, nothing you've said substantiates this original claim anyway (that most PC users who talk bad about Macs don't have a clue about them). Keep in mind that the subgroup of people who "talk bad" about Macs are probably compositionally different from the userbase as a whole.chessmaster1989

Right clicking isn't even a real argument made, it's just an "icing on the cake" type thing. :? If you're really seeing a lot of these users, you'd know they have much bigger complaints.

And Macs (at least the ones that I've used) don't have a right-click mouse in the same way. You use control + mouse, which is remarkably less convenient than just having a right mouse button.

And Macs (at least the ones that I've used) don't have a right-click mouse in the same way. You use control + mouse, which is remarkably less convenient than just having a right mouse button.chessmaster1989

I'm on a Mac right now. It's in System Preferences, but that's beside the point; it should have right click on by default.DigitalExile

Whether it's iMacs, iPhones or iPods you can be sure there's a device out there for half the price that does the same thing.

DigitalExile

I remember back in 2009 when I built my desktop (total of $1400 including a great 23.5'' monitor and OS), I compared it to some of the Macs; Mac desktops that cost over $2000 had lower specs than the desktop I built. :?

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]And Macs (at least the ones that I've used) don't have a right-click mouse in the same way. You use control + mouse, which is remarkably less convenient than just having a right mouse button.SolidSnake35

Well, seeing as I never use my laptop trackpad, I don't much care how good a MacBook trackpad is. A mouse is much better than a trackpad. :P

It usually starts when my several of my friends attempt to claim their iMacs are better than my custom built gaming PC. :evil:

Because it's fun to debate. :Dchessmaster1989

Well, seeing as I never use my laptop trackpad, I don't much care how good a MacBook trackpad is. A mouse is much better than a trackpad. :Pchessmaster1989

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Well, seeing as I never use my laptop trackpad, I don't much care how good a MacBook trackpad is. A mouse is much better than a trackpad. :PSolidSnake35

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Because market share isn't a great indicator of whether or not people have come into contact with a PC/Mac. You use computers aside from your individual computer at various times (using a friends/family member's computer, using a school/business computer, etc.). For example, I don't own a Mac, but I've used one many times in the last (academic) year helping a friend with Stata.

So I don't find an argument from market share convincing. It only indicates the percentage of each type of computer available, not how many people have come into contact with each kind.

chessmaster1989

Sarcasm aside, I'm still waiting on a convincing argument for your broad, thus far unsubstantiated claim regarding the PC userbase.

It's very simple: the PC vs. Mac commercials were so ****ing obnoxious and toxic that I would never buy a Mac. The mere thought of owning anything with an "i" in front of it's name (iMac, iPod, iAK-47, etc.) fills me with nausea and disgust.

Dealing with people who prefer Apple products is like dealing with evangelicals. "My life was incomplete... and then I discovered the Word of Steve Jobs! Accept Apple as your personal Technology Savior!" ...yeah... :roll:

Finally, Apple is just plain evil.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] You've convinced me. Everyone has used a Mac and PC equally.hensothor

Sarcasm aside, I'm still waiting on a convincing argument for your broad, thus far unsubstantiated claim regarding the PC userbase.

Because Mac owners are trying to justify the money they wasted on their overpriced things.

I can do just about everything a Mac can on PC for far less plus more gaming which is why I don't own a Mac.[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

I'm just going to leave this here...

mitu123

I love it when it got to the "Mac has far superior hardware" [art of the video...so...much...fail :lol:

What processes are you comparing the two computers on, and what are the hardware differences?chessmaster1989

Because Macs can't game like teh PC can.

About sums it up. :)

and sorry if anyone is offended. :cry:

Steameffekt

A higher percentage of Mac users will be familiar with PCs than vice versa.SolidSnake35

Because mac users have to switch to PC to be able to do anything useful?xsynth

[QUOTE="xsynth"]Because mac users have to switch to PC to be able to do anything useful?SolidSnake35

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]What processes are you comparing the two computers on, and what are the hardware differences?SolidSnake35

Yeah, for that kind of use the spec differences aren't going to matter at all. That's why you don't notice any difference.

Where you will notice a definite difference is in more intensive processes, such as games or certain other software. One of my favorite examples of this is what recently happened to me, when I tried to work with a 4gb data set in Stata on my desktop, which at the time only had 4gb of RAM. Needless to say, it took a few minutes to even load the data set, and beyond that the program basically couldn't run, well, anything with it. It was only when I upgraded my computer with 4gb more of RAM (to 8gb total) that I was actually able to do things with it. :P

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="xsynth"]Because mac users have to switch to PC to be able to do anything useful?xsynth