The reason Christianity is important....

Without Christianity, a lot of people wouldn't be smart enough to still follow certain ethical guidelines

RJay123

fear of legal consequences keeps me in line. Not that this matters, because I am human, was raised in a civilized society, and therefore have a moral compass that is streamlined with my respective society.

fear of god does not keep me in order.

and I was raised in a religiousless household and compared to the more diehard religious people I know, I am far more ethical than they are. I dont tell homosexuals they go to hell, I dont force beliefs on people, and I dont tell non-Christians theyre "wrong" and are going to hell.

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[QUOTE="Treflis"]Because Christianity does not govern society or rules made by the society to protect yourself and your fellow humans aswell as even other creatures and nature itself. Christianity does preach Morality but so does other religions and even those who don't follow a religion are able to understand what is right and wrong through their own moral perception. Religion is a safety net in which you can use to explain the moral choices or right and wrong, but even those without a religion can understand what is right and wrong and thus your reasoning is faulty. Had it been the case then Atheists would be running around killing and raping, creating anarchy but such is not the case. Is it not so?theone86

Hmm I know what I'm trying to say but I'm probably not wording it right. ::gives up::

Not that I'm trying to goad you into a philosophical argument, but define good.

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[QUOTE="RJay123"]The atheists we have today tend to think more logically....they are more scientific and realize the greater good of following certain rules.

I'm saying there are people out there who aren't capable of seeing that you should be good because it's the right thing to do. Those are the people who aren't capable of a world without God.

Hmm I know what I'm trying to say but I'm probably not wording it right. ::gives up::

RJay123

Not that I'm trying to goad you into a philosophical argument, but define good.

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[QUOTE="RJay123"]The atheists we have today tend to think more logically....they are more scientific and realize the greater good of following certain rules.

I'm saying there are people out there who aren't capable of seeing that you should be good because it's the right thing to do. Those are the people who aren't capable of a world without God.

Hmm I know what I'm trying to say but I'm probably not wording it right. ::gives up::

RJay123

Not that I'm trying to goad you into a philosophical argument, but define good.

I'm drunk right onw and I really want to get back to Ghostbusters so this argument won't be extensive, but let me just say that the ten commandments are far from universal. How many Christians do you think cheat on their wives? Furthermore, how many societies do you think are stringently against adultery? I'll go out and say that incest is the only universal human ideal, go out and prove me wrong (in the way of proving there are MORE universal ideals, not less as CM did.)

EDIT: I mean, presonally, I could be used to refute the TC as a universal ideal simply because I don't ascribe to them. Do a YT search for George Carlin and the ten commandments, watch the vids that come up, then copme back and say the TC's are universal.

The Ten Commandments is a good guideline. Not stealing, not commiting adultery, loving your parents, helping out your neighbors, etc. etc.

RJay123

Examples don't really provide anything approaching a definition. If I said "dogs, cats, etc." when someone asked for a definition of "animal", that would not exactly be satisfactory in terms of telling someone why those things fit the term.

I dunno, I think religion was invented around the same time cavemen invented fire. Cavemen invented fire to keep themselves warm and to cook their food. Cavemen invented God to stop their neighbors from going into their caves and stealing their women. "Zog, you steal Wug's woman again, God strike you with lightning bolt, make you burn." Yeah, but then there were other clans of cavemen that never knew God, because they just had the common sense to respect each other's property in the first place. *shrugs*JustPlainLucas

I'm... fairly sure that that is not historically accurate. :P

Just because people don't see a reason to do good doesn't mean that there isn't a reason. Sacrificing the individual to whims of God or the whims of 'society' is not the answer.CptJSparrow

I'm saying there are some people who will never realize it's not the answer and who will only do things if there are afraid of punishment.

The atheists that exist now realize we need to follow rules because society would break down without them.

If God was disproven, the wildly devout Christians who turn atheist wouldn't realize this. That's what I'm trying to say.

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]I dunno, I think religion was invented around the same time cavemen invented fire. Cavemen invented fire to keep themselves warm and to cook their food. Cavemen invented God to stop their neighbors from going into their caves and stealing their women. "Zog, you steal Wug's woman again, God strike you with lightning bolt, make you burn." Yeah, but then there were other clans of cavemen that never knew God, because they just had the common sense to respect each other's property in the first place. *shrugs*GabuEx

I'm... fairly sure that that is not historically accurate. :P

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with Gabu, but either way it would be extremely hard to prove.

If God was disproven, the wildly devout Christians who turn atheist wouldn't realize this. That's what I'm trying to say.RJay123

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[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]I dunno, I think religion was invented around the same time cavemen invented fire. Cavemen invented fire to keep themselves warm and to cook their food. Cavemen invented God to stop their neighbors from going into their caves and stealing their women. "Zog, you steal Wug's woman again, God strike you with lightning bolt, make you burn." Yeah, but then there were other clans of cavemen that never knew God, because they just had the common sense to respect each other's property in the first place. *shrugs*theone86

I'm... fairly sure that that is not historically accurate. :P

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with Gabu, but either way it would be extremely hard to prove.

It seems pretty easy to disprove, really, considering that none of the Greek, Roman, Norse, etc. theologies included something along the lines of "you better act right or an all-powerful God is gonna get you". Judaism is actually the first historical religion (I think) that included the notion of a singular, all-powerful deity.

It seems pretty easy to disprove, really, considering that none of the Greek, Roman, Norse, etc. theologies included something along the lines of "you better act right or an all-powerful God is gonna get you". Judaism is actually the first historical religion (I think) that included the notion of a singular, all-powerful deity.

GabuEx

The greek sort of did. Hades and his underworld were heaven,hell and purgatory all in one if I remember.

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It seems pretty easy to disprove, really, considering that none of the Greek, Roman, Norse, etc. theologies included something along the lines of "you better act right or an all-powerful God is gonna get you". Judaism is actually the first historical religion (I think) that included the notion of a singular, all-powerful deity.

Espada12

The greek sort of did. Hades and his underworld were heaven,hell and purgatory all in one if I remember.

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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

It seems pretty easy to disprove, really, considering that none of the Greek, Roman, Norse, etc. theologies included something along the lines of "you better act right or an all-powerful God is gonna get you". Judaism is actually the first historical religion (I think) that included the notion of a singular, all-powerful deity.

CptJSparrow

The greek sort of did. Hades and his underworld were heaven,hell and purgatory all in one if I remember.

I guess.. and who fooled hades and got away with it?

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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

I'm... fairly sure that that is not historically accurate. :P

GabuEx

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with Gabu, but either way it would be extremely hard to prove.

It seems pretty easy to disprove, really, considering that none of the Greek, Roman, Norse, etc. theologies included something along the lines of "you better act right or an all-powerful God is gonna get you". Judaism is actually the first historical religion (I think) that included the notion of a singular, all-powerful deity.

Mmmmm...I'm not really in a state to argue, but can you really prove either way that religion wasn't just another step in the evolution of thinking or that it wasn't truth incarnate delivered to us from god?

EDIT: Perhaps I'll have a better argument in the morning, but I find the biggest part of this argument that can't I understand is what you're advocating. Are you saying Christianity is inherently better because it utilizes more extremes?

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The greek sort of did. Hades and his underworld were heaven,hell and purgatory all in one if I remember.

Espada12

I guess.. and who fooled hades and got away with it?

Mmmmm...I'm not really in a state to argue, but can you really prove either way that religion wasn't just another step in the evolution of thinking or that it wasn't truth incarnate delivered to us from god?

theone86

I'm not really sure what you're asking here. The statement to which I was responding was the idea that religion was invented to scare people into line. The examples I gave were forms of religious mythology that predate the Abrahamic religions and were not exactly structured for the purpose of having that effect.

(Of course, I also maintain that Christianity was never intended to have that effect either, but that's another story.)

I have never facepalmed so much in my life.

This topic should be locked.

Odysseus, Theseus, Heracles, Orpheus. Oh, and Kratos of course.CptJSparrow

Hmm I need to read more on greek mythology, I wasn't even aware so many fooled him, in what way though? To escape the underworld? Either way back on topic, the TC really needs to change his title to religion in general if he wants to have some sort of point. Then again religion could just be part of the evolutionary process considering people who were not even exposed to europeans had formed thier own religion long before europeans even came to them.

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Odysseus, Theseus, Heracles, Orpheus. Oh, and Kratos of course.Espada12

Hmm I need to read more on greek mythology, I wasn't even aware so many fooled him, in what way though? To escape the underworld? Either way back on topic, the TC really needs to change his title to religion in general if he wants to have some sort of point. Then again religion could just be part of the evolutionary process considering people who were not even exposed to europeans had formed thier own religion long before europeans even came to them.

The Ten Commandments is a good guideline. Not stealing, not commiting adultery, loving your parents, helping out your neighbors, etc. etc.

RJay123

1st. Commandment, Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". Old Testament punishment - Deuteronomy 17:1-5 "And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heavens, which I have not commanded. Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing and shalt stone them with stones, till they die". Deuteronomy 13:6-10, "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is of thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. Thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God." Exodus 22:20 "He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed". New Testament punishment - Mark 16:16 "He that believeth not, shall be damned".

2nd. Commandment, Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water below." Old Testament punishment- Deuteronomy 27: 1 5 "Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image." That's right kids don't EVER draw, sculpt or paint or else god will curse you. Wanna be an artist, a photographer, take a picture of yourself or family? TOO BAD, God says no! You better drop out of art class before he smites you with boils.

3rd. Commandment, Exodus 20:7 "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain". Old Testament punishment - Leviticus 24:16 "And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death", New Testament punishment - Matthew 12:32 "Whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come". Mark 3:29 - "He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgivness, but is in danger of eternal damnation".

4th. Commandment, Exodus 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy". Old Testament punishment - Exodus 31:15 "Whosoever shall work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death". Numbers 15:32. "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day…And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

5th. Commandment, Exodus 20:12 "Honour thy father and thy mother". Old Testament punishment - Exodus 21:15-17 "And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death". More punishment - Exodus 21:17 "And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death".

6th. Commandment, Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill". Strangely enough this is a commandment despite all the punishments that require death in the New Testament and the Old Testament. How can thou not kill when thou is commanded to kill at the same time? This hypocrisy should be pointed out if the ten commandments are posted in schools, court rooms and buildings of legislation. The confusion of this commandment would surely bring capitol punishment into question.

7th. Commandment, Exodus 20:14 "Thou shalt not commit adultery". Old Testament punishment - Leviticus 20:10 "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death".

From evilebible.com

8th. Commandment, Exodus 22:2-3 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. - be sold in slavery :0 for stealing.

9th. Commandment, Prov. 19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish. Die, die, die for your lie!!!

10th. Commaandment, James 1:14,15 (KJV) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death" Kill him he wanted his neighbor's house and donkey.

Help from Athiest Ramblings 3.7.

Societies existed and functioned just fine long before Christianity came to be...chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

It seems pretty easy to disprove, really, considering that none of the Greek, Roman, Norse, etc. theologies included something along the lines of "you better act right or an all-powerful God is gonna get you". Judaism is actually the first historical religion (I think) that included the notion of a singular, all-powerful deity.

Espada12

The greek sort of did. Hades and his underworld were heaven,hell and purgatory all in one if I remember.

You dont get the feeling from Greeks that they were god-fearing at all.

Without christianity who would sloughter countless people and keep the worlds population down.

Without christianity who would sloughter countless people and keep the worlds population down.

rzepak

Without christianity who would sloughter countless people and keep the worlds population down.

rzepak

Atheists I guess. I mean, they have killed over 150,000,000 in the last century.

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Without christianity who would sloughter countless people and keep the worlds population down.

bean-with-bacon

Islam is just Christianity done right. What I mean by that is if Christians followed their Holy book (inclouding the old testament) then there would be no difference between the twos actions. Instead christians even the devout ones pick and choose what they believe and if something is uncomortable well its open to discussion pertaining to what it means.

The only reason why we not burning and killing each other to death is this guy

So i believe in a raptor Jesus , is there anything wrong with that. My Jesus will eat your Jesus.

[QUOTE="bean-with-bacon"][QUOTE="rzepak"]

Without christianity who would sloughter countless people and keep the worlds population down.

rzepak

Islam is just Christianity done right. What I mean by that is if Christians followed their Holy book (inclouding the old testament) then there would be no difference between the twos actions. Instead christians even the devout ones pick and choose what they believe and if something is uncomortable well its open to discussion pertaining to what it means.

You kow nothing about Christianity. There is a reason why the OT is not followed. If you knew about Christianity, you would realize this. Would you like me to explain this to you my friend?

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[QUOTE="bean-with-bacon"] Islam?stepnkev

Islam is just Christianity done right. What I mean by that is if Christians followed their Holy book (inclouding the old testament) then there would be no difference between the twos actions. Instead christians even the devout ones pick and choose what they believe and if something is uncomortable well its open to discussion pertaining to what it means.

You kow nothing about Christianity. There is a reason why the OT is not followed. If you knew about Christianity, you would realize this. Would you like me to explain this to you my friend?

Not just the OT. A lot of the bible is cherry-picked.

Without Christianity, a lot of people wouldn't be smart enough to still follow certain ethical guidelines because they wouldn't fear being punished as much. All those Christians that say "It was God who saved me...God who brought me out of prison"....So if there was no God you'd be a bad person still?

If there was no Christianity, America would be in mass chaos as there are lots of people (not you necessarily, but other people) who only are nice because they are afraid of being punished by God when they die(as my "Would you break the law if you were invisible?" topic proved).

RJay123

Sorry TC, I completely disagree with you. Christianity (and most religions) have many, many good qualities. But none of the reasons you listed, IMO, would be a problem without religion. If anything, on the smart issue, I think Christianity set humanity back at least 100 years or more during the "Dark Ages". Again, just my opinion.btaylor2404

The contemporary historians of science David C. Lindberg and Ronald Numbers discuss the widespread popular belief that the Middle Ages was a "time of ignorance and superstition", the blame for which is to be laid on the Christian Church for allegedly "placing the word of religious authorities over personal experience and rational activity", and emphasize that this view is essentially a caricature. For instance, a claim that was first propagated in the 19th century and is still very common in popular culture is the supposition that all people from the Middle Ages believed that the Earth was flat. According to Lindberg and Ronald L. Numbers, this claim was mistaken: "There was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference". Ronald Numbers states that misconceptions such as "the Church prohibited autopsies and dissections during the Middle Ages", "the rise of Christianity killed off ancient science", and "the medieval Christian church suppressed the growth of natural philosophy" are examples of widely popular myths that still pass as historical truth, although they are not supported by current historical research.

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[QUOTE="rzepak"]

Islam is just Christianity done right. What I mean by that is if Christians followed their Holy book (inclouding the old testament) then there would be no difference between the twos actions. Instead christians even the devout ones pick and choose what they believe and if something is uncomortable well its open to discussion pertaining to what it means.

ghoklebutter

You kow nothing about Christianity. There is a reason why the OT is not followed. If you knew about Christianity, you would realize this. Would you like me to explain this to you my friend?

Not just the OT. Even some new, fabricated parts of the bible are cherry-picked. There is a law in the bible prohibiting drunkeness. Yet look how frequent these DUI convictions are in the US. Also, it has been proven (in my eyes) that if a Christian doesn't like a certain part of the Bible, he/she can totally ignore it. Talk about following the book. :roll:

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[QUOTE="rzepak"]

Islam is just Christianity done right. What I mean by that is if Christians followed their Holy book (inclouding the old testament) then there would be no difference between the twos actions. Instead christians even the devout ones pick and choose what they believe and if something is uncomortable well its open to discussion pertaining to what it means.

ghoklebutter

You kow nothing about Christianity. There is a reason why the OT is not followed. If you knew about Christianity, you would realize this. Would you like me to explain this to you my friend?

Not just the OT. Even some new, fabricated parts of the bible are cherry-picked. There is a law in the bible prohibiting drunkeness. Yet look how frequent these DUI convictions are in the US. Also, it has been proven (in my eyes) that if a Christian doesn't like a certain part of the Bible, he/she can totally ignore it. Talk about following the book. :roll:

This makes no sense whatsoever. Because someone gets convicted of DUI proves in your eyes Christians 'don't like' certain parts of the Bible? wow...just wow. Would you care to give some examples?

Edit: I can't speak for someone else who 'chooses' to do things against what Jesus Christ taught. If someone wants to 'pick and choose' what they believe about the Bible, that is their choice and one Ican not agree with. Keep in mind though that there is a reason why the OT is not followed and thisis explained in the NT.

I thought the majority of people who are in prison are Christians. Anyway, you are not a moral person if the only reason you do good is because you fear an imaginary being.Genetic_Code

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]I thought the majority of people who are in prison are Christians. Anyway, you are not a moral person if the only reason you do good is because you fear an imaginary being.dont-read-this

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[QUOTE="stepnkev"]

You kow nothing about Christianity. There is a reason why the OT is not followed. If you knew about Christianity, you would realize this. Would you like me to explain this to you my friend?

LJS9502_basic

Not just the OT. Even some new, fabricated parts of the bible are cherry-picked. There is a law in the bible prohibiting drunkeness. Yet look how frequent these DUI convictions are in the US. Also, it has been proven (in my eyes) that if a Christian doesn't like a certain part of the Bible, he/she can totally ignore it. Talk about following the book. :roll:

Eh, I just heard about the drunkeness thing somewhere on the internet. Although a lot of Christians do pick and choose from the Bible.

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Not just the OT. Even some new, fabricated parts of the bible are cherry-picked. There is a law in the bible prohibiting drunkeness. Yet look how frequent these DUI convictions are in the US. Also, it has been proven (in my eyes) that if a Christian doesn't like a certain part of the Bible, he/she can totally ignore it. Talk about following the book. :roll:

ghoklebutter

Eh, I just heard about the drunkeness thing somewhere on the internet. Although a lot of Christians do pick and choose from the Bible.

Should Christians abide by every bit of obsoleteness found in the Bible just so that they are not accused of picking and choosing?

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[QUOTE="stepnkev"]

You kow nothing about Christianity. There is a reason why the OT is not followed. If you knew about Christianity, you would realize this. Would you like me to explain this to you my friend?

stepnkev

Not just the OT. Even some new, fabricated parts of the bible are cherry-picked. There is a law in the bible prohibiting drunkeness. Yet look how frequent these DUI convictions are in the US. Also, it has been proven (in my eyes) that if a Christian doesn't like a certain part of the Bible, he/she can totally ignore it. Talk about following the book. :roll:

This makes no sense whatsoever. Because someone gets convicted of DUI proves in your eyes Christians 'don't like' certain parts of the Bible? wow...just wow. Would you care to give some examples?

Edit: I can't speak for someone else who 'chooses' to do things against what Jesus Christ taught. If someone wants to 'pick and choose' what they believe about the Bible, that is their choice and one Ican not agree with. Keep in mind though that there is a reason why the OT is not followed and thisis explained in the NT.

It was just an example, I don't care if that (particular) one was false. I have seen many Christians pick and choose from the bible with my very eyes.

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Eh, I just heard about the drunkeness thing somewhere on the internet. Although a lot of Christians do pick and choose from the Bible.

ghoklebutter

And that is true of any group.

[QUOTE="stepnkev"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Not just the OT. Even some new, fabricated parts of the bible are cherry-picked. There is a law in the bible prohibiting drunkeness. Yet look how frequent these DUI convictions are in the US. Also, it has been proven (in my eyes) that if a Christian doesn't like a certain part of the Bible, he/she can totally ignore it. Talk about following the book. :roll:

ghoklebutter

This makes no sense whatsoever. Because someone gets convicted of DUI proves in your eyes Christians 'don't like' certain parts of the Bible? wow...just wow. Would you care to give some examples?

Edit: I can't speak for someone else who 'chooses' to do things against what Jesus Christ taught. If someone wants to 'pick and choose' what they believe about the Bible, that is their choice and one Ican not agree with. Keep in mind though that there is a reason why the OT is not followed and thisis explained in the NT.

It was just an example, I don't care if that (particular) one was false. I have seen many Christians pick and choose from the bible with my very eyes.

There are some who do which is unfortunate. Like I said before, I do not agree with 'picking and choosing', so when you see someone who claims to be Christian do this, it proves nothing.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That's not true at all. However, no one is perfect and will make mistakes. It's one's attempts in life to live the correct way as per a specific religion that denote one as a follower of a specific religion....not the human failures we all make.

Teenaged

Eh, I just heard about the drunkeness thing somewhere on the internet. Although a lot of Christians do pick and choose from the Bible.

Should Christians abide by every bit of obsoleteness found in the Bible just so that they are not accused of picking and choosing?

Well that doesn't mean they have to take it 100% literally.

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[QUOTE="stepnkev"]

This makes no sense whatsoever. Because someone gets convicted of DUI proves in your eyes Christians 'don't like' certain parts of the Bible? wow...just wow. Would you care to give some examples?

Edit: I can't speak for someone else who 'chooses' to do things against what Jesus Christ taught. If someone wants to 'pick and choose' what they believe about the Bible, that is their choice and one Ican not agree with. Keep in mind though that there is a reason why the OT is not followed and thisis explained in the NT.

stepnkev

It was just an example, I don't care if that (particular) one was false. I have seen many Christians pick and choose from the bible with my very eyes.

There are some who do which is unfortunate. Like I said before, I do not agree with 'picking and choosing', so when you see someone who claims to be Christian do this, it proves nothing.

Um well considering that the Bible is supposed to be the wordf of God and all mere people have no right to choose what they believe. That would be undermining the ultimate proof that is their God.

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Eh, I just heard about the drunkeness thing somewhere on the internet. Although a lot of Christians do pick and choose from the Bible.

Should Christians abide by every bit of obsoleteness found in the Bible just so that they are not accused of picking and choosing?

Well that doesn't mean they have to take it 100% literally.

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

It was just an example, I don't care if that (particular) one was false. I have seen many Christians pick and choose from the bible with my very eyes.

rzepak

There are some who do which is unfortunate. Like I said before, I do not agree with 'picking and choosing', so when you see someone who claims to be Christian do this, it proves nothing.

Um well considering that the Bible is supposed to be the wordf of God and all mere people have no right to choose what they believe. That would be undermining the ultimate proof that is their God.

Then you do not understand the scriptures. The NT gave a new higher law from Jesus Christ. There is no picking and choosing. There is following Jesus Christ.

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]If something is considered obsolete, why should it not be left out?

Should Christians abide by every bit of obsoleteness found in the Bible just so that they are not accused of picking and choosing?

sSubZerOo

Well that doesn't mean they have to take it 100% literally.

The so called violence in the Bible is probably out of context in several interpretations.Same thing with the Torah and the Koran.