The reason us christians are christians.

A lot of the athiests on here tend to think us christians simply read the bible and just believe it for the sake of believing it, but thats the furthest from the truth. The reason we are christians is because we have been spiritually and emotionally effected and touched on a personal level by god.

I cant explain it really, but this short video basically sums it up through a personal story. this guy is one of my big role models.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoBbszqpkGQ

nope, you're brainwashed. have fun Novotine

[QUOTE="Novotine"]nope, you're brainwashed. have fun fueled-system

The atheists are brainwashed too.

See?

Two can play at that game.

If there really was a God then he would havehelped many people all over the world and not just this anynymous guy. So no I don't believe there really is a God.

If there reallywas a God then he would havehelped many people all over the world and not just this anynymous guy.

pariah3

Maybe God doesn't like to take sides.

If there was a God then he would help many people all over the world and not just this anynymous guy.

pariah3

People are Christians because that is their faith and what they legitmentantly believe in. Nothing wrong with that, I believe in God myself as it's my faith God exists and it simply makes the most logical sense to me.

But just a word of advice, OT is FULL of miltant extreame atheists who get upset if someone simply wishes them Merry Christmas. They simply arn't atheists who don't believe in God, they are people who act like it's their goal in life to destroying religion and bashing those who believe in God.

If there was a God then he would help many people all over the world and not just this anynymous guy.

pariah3

People are Christians because that is their faith and what they legitmentantly believe in. Nothing wrong with that, I believe in God myself as it's my faith God exists and it simply makes the most logical sense to me.

But just a word of advice, OT is FULL of miltant extreame atheists who get upset if someone simply wishes them Merry Christmas. They simply arn't atheists who don't believe in God, they are people who act like it's their goal in life to destroying religion and bashing those who believe in God.

ShadowMoses900

They're also very articulate, militant atheists.

They are so good at debating that they will shut you down if you even attempt to try and defend yourself.

If you're not a master debater, good luck.

Can you help someone if they don't want your help?hiphops_savior

Show much such an example.

I personally have no problems with religious people in general, I just hate people who like to express their religious views/atheist bigotry on others. You love God? Cool, but don't tell me 'You're going to hell because you don't love God'.

If there really was a God then he would havehelped many people all over the world and not just this anynymous guy. So no I don't believe there really is a God.

pariah3

I belive God does help people, just in different ways. The saying that "God works in mysterious ways" is true IMO. There is a good Futruama episode where Bender meets God and God tells him "if you do things right, people won't be sure you even exist".

Basically in the episode there are these monks trapped inside a bulding and they can't get out, so they are praying to God to help them, well Bender shows up and rescues them because he doesn't think God will.

Well God did help save the monks, just through Bender. But Bender acted through his own free will to do so, not being forced to do it.

[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]Can you help someone if they don't want your help?pariah3

Show much such an example.

what about two Christians who get married and have a disabled child? What is god doing there? is he touching them or just completely ignoring them? what if the couple were devout Christians and and that happened... wtf god?ZumaJones07

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

People are Christians because that is their faith and what they legitmentantly believe in. Nothing wrong with that, I believe in God myself as it's my faith God exists and it simply makes the most logical sense to me.

But just a word of advice, OT is FULL of miltant extreame atheists who get upset if someone simply wishes them Merry Christmas. They simply arn't atheists who don't believe in God, they are people who act like it's their goal in life to destroying religion and bashing those who believe in God.

peterw007

They're also very articulate, militant atheists.

They are so good at debating that they will shut you down if you even attempt to try and defend yourself.

If you're not a master debater, good luck.

Nah I don't think they're as tough or as smart as they like to believe they are. From my expereince they arn't any different from the religous zealot, which is why you can't "win" with them, they have chosen to close their minds, you cannot force someone else to open it, only they can of their own free will.

They just choose not to do so.

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]what about two Christians who get married and have a disabled child? What is god doing there? is he touching them or just completely ignoring them? what if the couple were devout Christians and and that happened... wtf god?taterfrickintot

Or maybe God lets humans get exposed to Chaos so when they become angels, they know what they're going to be up against.

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]what about two Christians who get married and have a disabled child? What is god doing there? is he touching them or just completely ignoring them? what if the couple were devout Christians and and that happened... wtf god?taterfrickintot

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]what about two Christians who get married and have a disabled child? What is god doing there? is he touching them or just completely ignoring them? what if the couple were devout Christians and and that happened... wtf god?peterw007

Or maybe God lets humans get exposed to Chaos so when they become angels, they know what they're going to be up against.

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]what about two Christians who get married and have a disabled child? What is god doing there? is he touching them or just completely ignoring them? what if the couple were devout Christians and and that happened... wtf god?ZumaJones07

This is my own observation, make of it what you will.

Most people I know who are atheist don't have a problem with your beliefs as it pertains to you personally, it's the simple fact that many Christians feel they are morally superior because they are Christians. There's a word for that: pride.

Look at how the religious sects are contorting the Republican party. I used to be able to agree with a lot of what Republicans preached, I even voted Republican a few times back in the 90's. I won't now. When I vote this year I'm pulling the collective Democratic ticket simply because the new Republican party scares the poo out of me.

I'm glad that you're confident in your beliefs, but please understand that most people are just as confident in their beliefs, and their reasons for it are just as personal and often just as inspiring as your reasons for yours.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

People are Christians because that is their faith and what they legitmentantly believe in. Nothing wrong with that, I believe in God myself as it's my faith God exists and it simply makes the most logical sense to me.

But just a word of advice, OT is FULL of miltant extreame atheists who get upset if someone simply wishes them Merry Christmas. They simply arn't atheists who don't believe in God, they are people who act like it's their goal in life to destroying religion and bashing those who believe in God.

ShadowMoses900

They're also very articulate, militant atheists.

They are so good at debating that they will shut you down if you even attempt to try and defend yourself.

If you're not a master debater, good luck.

Nah I don't think they're as tough or as smart as they like to believe they are. From my expereince they arn't any different from the religous zealot, which is why you can't "win" with them, they have chosen to close their minds, you cannot force someone else to open it, only they can of their own free will.

They just choose not to do so.

I didn't say smart...I said articulate.

The hallmark of a good debater is being able to successfully refute every single point you throw at them and then proceed to counter-attack you with a set of new points.

Good debating skills and atheism has nothing to do with intelligence...Einstein was a deist, for example.

This is my own observation, make of it what you will.

Most people I know who are atheist don't have a problem with your beliefs as it pertains to you personally, it's the simple fact that many Christians feel they are morally superior because they are Christians. There's a word for that: pride.

Look at how the religious sects are contorting the Republican party. I used to be able to agree with a lot of what Republicans preached, I even voted Republican a few times back in the 90's. I won't now. When I vote this year I'm pulling the collective Democratic ticket simply because the new Republican party scares the poo out of me.

I'm glad that you're confident in your beliefs, but please understand that most people are just as confident in their beliefs, and their reasons for it are just as personal and often just as inspiring as your reasons for yours.

br0kenrabbit

like i just said, how can one appreciate paradise if they dont know hardship and pain?taterfrickintot

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]like i just said, how can one appreciate paradise if they dont know hardship and pain?ZumaJones07

I think the best explanation is that God just steps back from interfering in human life at all.

He doesn't help people who are suffering, and he doesn't hurt people who aren't suffering enough.

He lets humans play out their own lives, as it's not his call to selectively care about one human over another.

what about two Christians who get married and have a disabled child? What is god doing there? is he touching them or just completely ignoring them? what if the couple were devout Christians and and that happened... wtf god?ZumaJones07

That child is still a blessing, we can't explain everything but I beleive God only gives you challenges that you can overcome. And most of the problems in the world have nothing to do with God, it's strictly Mans fault. God gave us free will and dominion over the World, we choose what happens to it.

I'm pretty sure that most Christians are Christian because they were born and raised as such (i.e. they've been programmed/ brainwashed since they were young).

I'm pretty sure that most Christians are Christian because they were born and raised as such (i.e. they've been programmed/ brainwashed since they were young).

King-Kai

Like many atheists?

I've known many atheist families (especially by living in a very liberal state) who brainwashed their children to be atheists from a very early age.

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]like i just said, how can one appreciate paradise if they dont know hardship and pain?ZumaJones07

He lets humans play out their own lives, as it's not his call to selectively care about one human over another.

peterw007

[QUOTE="Novotine"]nope, you're brainwashed. have fun fueled-system

The Inquisition is coming for you.

believe whatever you want but the fact of the matter is that not one single supernatural event has ever been recorded in the history of man but your entire belief system is suspended from the pretext that the entire universe is a supernatural event and filled with gods and demons and angels and magic.

my only real problem with all this nonesense is that you guys try to solve real world practical earthbound problems with mystical mumbo jumbo and it is just not working.

believe whatever you want but the fact of the matter is that not one single supernatural event has ever been recorded in the history of man but your entire belief system is suspended from the pretext that the entire universe is a supernatural event and filled with gods and demons and angels and magic.

my only real problem with all this nonesense is that you guys try to solve real world practical earthbound problems with mystical mumbo jumbo and it is just not working.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

He lets humans play out their own lives, as it's not his call to selectively care about one human over another.

ZumaJones07

[QUOTE="pariah3"]

If there really was a God then he would havehelped many people all over the world and not just this anynymous guy. So no I don't believe there really is a God.

ShadowMoses900

I belive God does help people, just in different ways. The saying that "God works in mysterious ways" is true IMO. There is a good Futruama episode where Bender meets God and God tells him "if you do things right, people won't be sure you even exist".

Basically in the episode there are these monks trapped inside a bulding and they can't get out, so they are praying to God to help them, well Bender shows up and rescues them because he doesn't think God will.

Well God did help save the monks, just through Bender. But Bender acted through his own free will to do so, not being forced to do it.

there are both dragons and giants in the bible.

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="King-Kai"]

I'm pretty sure that most Christians are Christian because they were born and raised as such (i.e. they've been programmed/ brainwashed since they were young).

peterw007

Like many atheists?

I've known many atheist families (especially by living in a very liberal state) who brainwashed their children to be atheists from a very early age.

I became an atheist on my own. I was raised as a Christian.

People are Christians because that is their faith and what they legitmentantly believe in. Nothing wrong with that, I believe in God myself as it's my faith God exists and it simply makes the most logical sense to me.

But just a word of advice, OT is FULL of miltant extreame atheists who get upset if someone simply wishes them Merry Christmas. They simply arn't atheists who don't believe in God, they are people who act like it's their goal in life to destroying religion and bashing those who believe in God.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="pariah3"]

If there really was a God then he would havehelped many people all over the world and not just this anynymous guy. So no I don't believe there really is a God.

kussese

I belive God does help people, just in different ways. The saying that "God works in mysterious ways" is true IMO. There is a good Futruama episode where Bender meets God and God tells him "if you do things right, people won't be sure you even exist".

Basically in the episode there are these monks trapped inside a bulding and they can't get out, so they are praying to God to help them, well Bender shows up and rescues them because he doesn't think God will.

Well God did help save the monks, just through Bender. But Bender acted through his own free will to do so, not being forced to do it.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

believe whatever you want but the fact of the matter is that not one single supernatural event has ever been recorded in the history of man but your entire belief system is suspended from the pretext that the entire universe is a supernatural event and filled with gods and demons and angels and magic.

my only real problem with all this nonesense is that you guys try to solve real world practical earthbound problems with mystical mumbo jumbo and it is just not working.

taterfrickintot

you don't want women to have abortions so your politicians advocate an 8 inch long probe be inserted into them against their will so they will be intimidated into going along with what you want.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/transvaginal-war-on-women

http://mykeystrokes.com/2012/02/17/the-republican-war-against-women-pre-abortion-transvaginal-sonograms-make-their-way-into-law/

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="King-Kai"]

I'm pretty sure that most Christians are Christian because they were born and raised as such (i.e. they've been programmed/ brainwashed since they were young).

King-Kai

Like many atheists?

I've known many atheist families (especially by living in a very liberal state) who brainwashed their children to be atheists from a very early age.

I became an atheist on my own. I was raised as a Christian.

That's very good.

You were able to transcend social conditioning.

I've also seen people who were born and rasied atheists become devout Christians upon reachin adulthood.

People are Christians because that is their faith and what they legitmentantly believe in. Nothing wrong with that, I believe in God myself as it's my faith God exists and it simply makes the most logical sense to me.

But just a word of advice, OT is FULL of miltant extreame atheists who get upset if someone simply wishes them Merry Christmas. They simply arn't atheists who don't believe in God, they are people who act like it's their goal in life to destroying religion and bashing those who believe in God.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="King-Kai"]

I'm pretty sure that most Christians are Christian because they were born and raised as such (i.e. they've been programmed/ brainwashed since they were young).

King-Kai

Like many atheists?

I've known many atheist families (especially by living in a very liberal state) who brainwashed their children to be atheists from a very early age.

I became an atheist on my own. I was raised as a Christian.