The reason us christians are christians.

[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

God created God.

ShadowMoses900

Prove otherwise? lol

How many of you Christians believe in dragons? Just curious.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"] Prove it.VanHelsingBoA64

Prove otherwise? lol

I added lol to show I was joking. Guess I didn't make it clear enough

How many of you Christians believe in dragons? Just curious.

whiskeystrike

Um awkward, dragons are real.

[QUOTE="kussese"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Those things only happen because Man let's it happen. There is an old quote "The only thing nesseccary for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing". I think Churchill said it but I'm not quite sure.

The UN could easily stop that from happening, but instead turn a blind eye to it. It is the result of corrupt governments, never the less I believe God is with those and still cares for them like everyone else. I believe if more people were aware of it action would be taken to stop it.

The fact that you care is a sign of God to me and you knowing right from wrong. Most people know this wether they admit it or not. If you had the power to stop it would you? I think you would.

So the question is what can we do to stop this? I believe that God inspires people to do good things, but we have the choice to listen to it or not. Again free will.

taterfrickintot

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

How many of you Christians believe in dragons? Just curious.

OB-47

Um awkward, dragons are real.

According to Revelations they are

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] I think its quite evident that they're aren't a set of universal standards of good and bad, they differ person to person. However lets assume that there are a set of standards, this brings us to another problem. Is something deemed good because God commands it, or does God command that which is good? HoolaHoopMan

So you don't believe in universal concepts of right and wrong? This is the question atheists cannot answer, what is Evil?

So what is Evil then? What is Wrong?

And to answer your question, I believe God knows what is right and what is wrong, I do not know why, I am not God. There are things that are universally wrong and universally right.

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

How many of you Christians believe in dragons? Just curious.

whiskeystrike

Um awkward, dragons are real.

According to Revelations they are

It's symbolic, not meant to be taken literally. That's common sense, only a religious fundamentalist would take it seriously or someone who isn't educated on The Bible.

Why is every story about someone finding god always about how their life goes down hill and god then made it better?

This is one of the big reasons why I think religion is a load of crap. It's just some thing drug addicts and similar weak minded peopleuse to make them feel better about themselves, they can't cope with reality so they create a false one.

You were just born into it

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"] Prove it.VanHelsingBoA64

Prove otherwise? lol

Oh look, another militant atheist who loves to deride theists by calling them "childish."

I haven't seen that before.

-

According to the Christian faith, God created everything.

As the creator, he also created himself.

Maybe he created himself in order to prevent Chaos from dominating the universe.

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Um awkward, dragons are real.

ShadowMoses900

According to Revelations they are

It's symbolic, not meant to be taken literally. That's common sense, only a religious fundamentalist would take it seriously or someone who isn't educated on The Bible.

Who gets to choose what is symbolic or literal? Is there a guideline or do we just get to change it depending on how we feel?

How do we know that the existence of God is not meant to be taken literally and just symbolic?

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="kussese"] You can't believe in an omnipotent and omniscient being, then lay the fault entirely on man. God created man knowing the outcome of his actions. He knew the instant he created Adam and Eve that 6000 years later, we would have these problems in the world. Yet he didn't change any of it. Yes, I would rid the world of its atrocities given the chance. Most people would. I think that makes most people kind-hearted. God, however, created the world knowing full well the horrible outcome. I think that necessarily rids him of benevolence.wis3boi

EDIT: and also, THIS WORLD IS SUPPOSED TO BE IMPERFECT! if god came down and vanquished all evil, it would defeat the purpose of heaven. this world is a trial of faith and morality to become worthy of heaven. he does care.

Agnosticsm or whatever it's called is the best religion for me.

All I believe is that their is a God, but what he is, is up to question. The problem with the Christian image of heavan and pretty much all mainstream religions is that it's simply a better version of this universe. I believe it's another plane of existance, where there is no such thing as time. That to me makes sense, but it's impossible to know what being in a place without time is like.So I'll just wait and see

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

How many of you Christians believe in dragons? Just curious.

whiskeystrike

Um awkward, dragons are real.

According to Revelations they are

Does it say anything about the possibility of a individual that can absorb a dragons soul and use its power in shout?

If so, I'm a christian.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"] I think that youre missing the point that our world isnt supposed to be a perfect utopia. and i personally dont believe that god can see into the future, or at least he chooses not to.taterfrickintot

Why do you deny the dozens of other religions... many of them claim to be the origin of human existence, many of them have sort of afterlife, many of them have similar "rules" for living... What makes what you believe in the correct one?

[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

God created God.

ShadowMoses900

Disprove it.

I say there's an invisible rainbow unicorn in the sky. Prove me wrong

So what is Evil then? What is Wrong?

And to answer your question, I believe God knows what is right and what is wrong, I do not know why, I am not God. There are things that are universally wrong and universally right.

ShadowMoses900

Bolded: They're social constructs that humans made, they're relative person to person. I've already said that I don't think there is a universal standard so asking me for a pin point definition is pointless. Try reading my posts a little more.

Secondly you didn't even answer my question. 'Is something deemed good because God commands it, or does God command that which is good?', there it is again. I'm asking about the nature of right and wrong, not if God 'knows' it. You claim that there is a universal rubrick of right and wrong, I'd like you to clarify a bit on its nature.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

According to Revelations they are

whiskeystrike

It's symbolic, not meant to be taken literally. That's common sense, only a religious fundamentalist would take it seriously or someone who isn't educated on The Bible.

Who gets to choose what is symbolic or literal? Is there a guideline or do we just get to change it depending on how we feel?

How do we know that the existence of God is not meant to be taken literally and just symbolic?

You have to understand the Bible by studying it, just because you read something doesn't mean you understand it. I can read a complex medical journal, doesn't mean I understood what I just read. You can hear, but that doesn't mean you can listen. There is a difference.

If you actually study The Bible you would understand that Revelations is symbolic. It wasn't meant to be taken literally.

Agnosticsm or whatever it's called is the best religion for me.

All I believe is that their is a God, but what he is, is up to question. The problem with the Christian image of heavan and pretty much all mainstream religions is that it's simply a better version of this universe. I believe it's another plane of existance, where there is no such thing as time. That to me makes sense, but it's impossible to know what being in a place without time is like.So I'll just wait and see

OB-47

I think you're more of a deist then. Agnosticism is more of an "I don't know" approach.

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="wis3boi"] which means he isn't all powerful, or at least doesn't care at all....Making him not inherently good. Not exactly the being I would worship.

whiskeystrike

Why do you deny the dozens of other religions... many of them claim to be the origin of human existence, many of them have sort of afterlife, many of them have similar "rules" for living... What makes what you believe in the correct one?

We know the bible is the correct religion because the bible says it's the correct religion. :roll:

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Agnosticsm or whatever it's called is the best religion for me.

All I believe is that their is a God, but what he is, is up to question. The problem with the Christian image of heavan and pretty much all mainstream religions is that it's simply a better version of this universe. I believe it's another plane of existance, where there is no such thing as time. That to me makes sense, but it's impossible to know what being in a place without time is like.So I'll just wait and see

whiskeystrike

I think you're more of a deist then. Agnosticism is more of an "I don't know" approach.

Really? gotta search that up.

Okay yeah that's kinda it. Thanks for the proper name.

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It's symbolic, not meant to be taken literally. That's common sense, only a religious fundamentalist would take it seriously or someone who isn't educated on The Bible.

ShadowMoses900

Who gets to choose what is symbolic or literal? Is there a guideline or do we just get to change it depending on how we feel?

How do we know that the existence of God is not meant to be taken literally and just symbolic?

You have to understand the Bible by studying it, just because you read something doesn't mean you understand it. I can read a complex medical journal, doesn't mean I understood what I just read. You can hear, but that doesn't mean you can listen. There is a difference.

If you actually study The Bible you would understand that Revelations is symbolic. It wasn't meant to be taken literally.

Is that really all you have to say about any thorny question? Study it, you don't know what you're talking about, you don't understand, I understand, blah blah blah.

You can't the answer question so you resort to that neat little fall back of telling people that they don't understand. Just say you don't know.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So what is Evil then? What is Wrong?

And to answer your question, I believe God knows what is right and what is wrong, I do not know why, I am not God. There are things that are universally wrong and universally right.

HoolaHoopMan

Bolded: They're social constructs that humans made, they're relative person to person. I've already said that I don't think there is a universal standard so asking me for a pin point definition is pointless. Try reading my posts a little more.

Secondly you didn't even answer my question. 'Is something deemed good because God commands it, or does God command that which is good?', there it is again. I'm asking about the nature of right and wrong, not if God 'knows' it. You claim that there is a universal rubrick of right and wrong, I'd like you to clarify a bit on its nature.

So you think that rape isn't universally wrong? You think that slavery isn't universally wrong? If you were in a society where Slavery was the norm you would be ok with that? You don't see anything fundamentally "Evil" about that?

And I beleive these things are wrong because they go against what God intends.

So you think that rape isn't universally wrong? You think that slavery isn't universally wrong? If you were in a society where Slavery was the norm you would be ok with that? You don't see anything fundamentally "Evil" about that?

And I beleive these things are wrong because they go against what God intends.

ShadowMoses900

"'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.45You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.46You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

leviticus 25 44-46

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"] I think that youre missing the point that our world isnt supposed to be a perfect utopia. and i personally dont believe that god can see into the future, or at least he chooses not to.taterfrickintot

EDIT: and also, THIS WORLD IS SUPPOSED TO BE IMPERFECT! if god came down and vanquished all evil, it would defeat the purpose of heaven. this world is a trial of faith and morality to become worthy of heaven. he does care.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So what is Evil then? What is Wrong?

And to answer your question, I believe God knows what is right and what is wrong, I do not know why, I am not God. There are things that are universally wrong and universally right.

ShadowMoses900

Bolded: They're social constructs that humans made, they're relative person to person. I've already said that I don't think there is a universal standard so asking me for a pin point definition is pointless. Try reading my posts a little more.

Secondly you didn't even answer my question. 'Is something deemed good because God commands it, or does God command that which is good?', there it is again. I'm asking about the nature of right and wrong, not if God 'knows' it. You claim that there is a universal rubrick of right and wrong, I'd like you to clarify a bit on its nature.

So you think that rape isn't universally wrong? You think that slavery isn't universally wrong? If you were in a society where Slavery was the norm you would be ok with that? You don't see anything fundamentally "Evil" about that?

And I beleive these things are wrong because they go against what God intends.

I personally see something wrong with those things. But I don't have to know that those things are not what god intended to believe they are wrong.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

People are Christians because that is their faith and what they legitmentantly believe in. Nothing wrong with that, I believe in God myself as it's my faith God exists and it simply makes the most logical sense to me.

But just a word of advice, OT is FULL of miltant extreame atheists who get upset if someone simply wishes them Merry Christmas. They simply arn't atheists who don't believe in God, they are people who act like it's their goal in life to destroying religion and bashing those who believe in God.

peterw007

They're also very articulate, militant atheists.

They are so good at debating that they will shut you down if you even attempt to try and defend yourself.

If you're not a master debater, good luck.

lol

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

Who gets to choose what is symbolic or literal? Is there a guideline or do we just get to change it depending on how we feel?

How do we know that the existence of God is not meant to be taken literally and just symbolic?

whiskeystrike

You have to understand the Bible by studying it, just because you read something doesn't mean you understand it. I can read a complex medical journal, doesn't mean I understood what I just read. You can hear, but that doesn't mean you can listen. There is a difference.

If you actually study The Bible you would understand that Revelations is symbolic. It wasn't meant to be taken literally.

Is that really all you have to say about any thorny question? Study it, you don't know what you're talking about, you don't understand, I understand, blah blah blah.

You can't the answer question so you resort to that neat little fall back of telling people that they don't understand. Just say you don't know.

I did answer the question, several times. You have to study it to better understand it, just like how people study the Constitution, so they can better understand it and the idea of Democracy.

If you can't tell Revelations is symbolic then yes you do lack understanding of The Bible. There ins't literally a Dragon coming out of th ocean with three heads, that's not what it is trying to imply.

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"] which means he isn't all powerful, or at least doesn't care at all....Making him not inherently good. Not exactly the being I would worship.

Person0

EDIT: and also, THIS WORLD IS SUPPOSED TO BE IMPERFECT! if god came down and vanquished all evil, it would defeat the purpose of heaven. this world is a trial of faith and morality to become worthy of heaven. he does care.

I'm not sure "knows everything" is the same thing as "knows everything that will happen."

It may just mean that he knows what is going on in the present.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="taterfrickintot"] so even though he created you and all that is around you, and is your ticket to spiritual salvation, you deny him because he cant see into the future? nice.

EDIT: and also, THIS WORLD IS SUPPOSED TO BE IMPERFECT! if god came down and vanquished all evil, it would defeat the purpose of heaven. this world is a trial of faith and morality to become worthy of heaven. he does care.

peterw007

I'm not sure "knows everything" is the same thing as "knows everything that will happen."

It may just mean that he knows what is going on in the present.

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="wis3boi"] which means he isn't all powerful, or at least doesn't care at all....Making him not inherently good. Not exactly the being I would worship.

whiskeystrike

Why do you deny the dozens of other religions... many of them claim to be the origin of human existence, many of them have sort of afterlife, many of them have similar "rules" for living... What makes what you believe in the correct one?

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So what is Evil then? What is Wrong?

And to answer your question, I believe God knows what is right and what is wrong, I do not know why, I am not God. There are things that are universally wrong and universally right.

ShadowMoses900

Bolded: They're social constructs that humans made, they're relative person to person. I've already said that I don't think there is a universal standard so asking me for a pin point definition is pointless. Try reading my posts a little more.

Secondly you didn't even answer my question. 'Is something deemed good because God commands it, or does God command that which is good?', there it is again. I'm asking about the nature of right and wrong, not if God 'knows' it. You claim that there is a universal rubrick of right and wrong, I'd like you to clarify a bit on its nature.

So you think that rape isn't universally wrong? You think that slavery isn't universally wrong? If you were in a society where Slavery was the norm you would be ok with that? You don't see anything fundamentally "Evil" about that?

And I beleive these things are wrong because they go against what God intends.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

Bolded: They're social constructs that humans made, they're relative person to person. I've already said that I don't think there is a universal standard so asking me for a pin point definition is pointless. Try reading my posts a little more.

Secondly you didn't even answer my question. 'Is something deemed good because God commands it, or does God command that which is good?', there it is again. I'm asking about the nature of right and wrong, not if God 'knows' it. You claim that there is a universal rubrick of right and wrong, I'd like you to clarify a bit on its nature.

Pikdum

So you think that rape isn't universally wrong? You think that slavery isn't universally wrong? If you were in a society where Slavery was the norm you would be ok with that? You don't see anything fundamentally "Evil" about that?

And I beleive these things are wrong because they go against what God intends.

I personally see something wrong with those things. But I don't have to know that those things are not what god intended to believe they are wrong.

But do you believe they are universally wrong, do you think that it is morally and objectively wrong to rape or endue someone into slavery period?

If you answer yes (which I know you will, only a bad person would say no) then you are admitting to a universal concept of Evil. Where does this come from? What is Evil? Where does our concept of Good and Evil come from? Why do we know what is right and wrong?

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"] so even though he created you and all that is around you, and is your ticket to spiritual salvation, you deny him because he cant see into the future? nice.taterfrickintot

Why do you deny the dozens of other religions... many of them claim to be the origin of human existence, many of them have sort of afterlife, many of them have similar "rules" for living... What makes what you believe in the correct one?

[QUOTE="Pikdum"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So you think that rape isn't universally wrong? You think that slavery isn't universally wrong? If you were in a society where Slavery was the norm you would be ok with that? You don't see anything fundamentally "Evil" about that?

And I beleive these things are wrong because they go against what God intends.

ShadowMoses900

I personally see something wrong with those things. But I don't have to know that those things are not what god intended to believe they are wrong.

But do you believe they are universally wrong, do you think that it is morally and objectively wrong to rape or endue someone into slavery period?

If you answer yes (which I know you will, only a bad person would say no) then you are admitting to a universal concept of Evil. Where does this come from? What is Evil? Where does our concept of Good and Evil come from? Why do we know what is right and wrong?

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You have to understand the Bible by studying it, just because you read something doesn't mean you understand it. I can read a complex medical journal, doesn't mean I understood what I just read. You can hear, but that doesn't mean you can listen. There is a difference.

If you actually study The Bible you would understand that Revelations is symbolic. It wasn't meant to be taken literally.

ShadowMoses900

Is that really all you have to say about any thorny question? Study it, you don't know what you're talking about, you don't understand, I understand, blah blah blah.

You can't the answer question so you resort to that neat little fall back of telling people that they don't understand. Just say you don't know.

I did answer the question, several times. You have to study it to better understand it, just like how people study the Constitution, so they can better understand it and the idea of Democracy.

If you can't tell Revelations is symbolic then yes you do lack understanding of The Bible. There ins't literally a Dragon coming out of th ocean with three heads, that's not what it is trying to imply.

Way to prove my point.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="taterfrickintot"] so even though he created you and all that is around you, and is your ticket to spiritual salvation, you deny him because he cant see into the future? nice.

EDIT: and also, THIS WORLD IS SUPPOSED TO BE IMPERFECT! if god came down and vanquished all evil, it would defeat the purpose of heaven. this world is a trial of faith and morality to become worthy of heaven. he does care.

peterw007

I'm not sure "knows everything" is the same thing as "knows everything that will happen."

It may just mean that he knows what is going on in the present.

I can't wrap my head around this.

Why doesn't God emotionally "touch" everyone on earth so that we can all become Christians? Or do God wants to see some of us go to hell?Lonelynight

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"] so even though he created you and all that is around you, and is your ticket to spiritual salvation, you deny him because he cant see into the future? nice.taterfrickintot

Why do you deny the dozens of other religions... many of them claim to be the origin of human existence, many of them have sort of afterlife, many of them have similar "rules" for living... What makes what you believe in the correct one?

There are many religions that exist outside of the abrahimic ones... care to explain why those happen to be wrong and your belief right?

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] Isn't god supposed to be Omnipotent? Then he should be able to see the future.Pikdum

I'm not sure "knows everything" is the same thing as "knows everything that will happen."

It may just mean that he knows what is going on in the present.

I can't wrap my head around this.

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

Why do you deny the dozens of other religions... many of them claim to be the origin of human existence, many of them have sort of afterlife, many of them have similar "rules" for living... What makes what you believe in the correct one?

toast_burner

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Why doesn't God emotionally "touch" everyone on earth so that we can all become Christians? Or do God wants to see some of us go to hell?taterfrickintot

Um, what about the people who exist without ever hearing about God? What about the religions that existed before Christianity or Judaism came into existence as well?

Would a loving god send people to hell for that which they did not know?

There are people who live and have lived in certain parts of the world. Who have never heard of God/Yahweh/Allah and never will. What happens to those folks?

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So what is Evil then? What is Wrong?

And to answer your question, I believe God knows what is right and what is wrong, I do not know why, I am not God. There are things that are universally wrong and universally right.

ShadowMoses900

Bolded: They're social constructs that humans made, they're relative person to person. I've already said that I don't think there is a universal standard so asking me for a pin point definition is pointless. Try reading my posts a little more.

Secondly you didn't even answer my question. 'Is something deemed good because God commands it, or does God command that which is good?', there it is again. I'm asking about the nature of right and wrong, not if God 'knows' it. You claim that there is a universal rubrick of right and wrong, I'd like you to clarify a bit on its nature.

So you think that rape isn't universally wrong? You think that slavery isn't universally wrong? If you were in a society where Slavery was the norm you would be ok with that? You don't see anything fundamentally "Evil" about that?

And I beleive these things are wrong because they go against what God intends.

Some people believe slavery is good, or atleast is not evil, therefore it isn't a "universal" evil. Same thing applies to rape. You thinking it is wrong doesn't mean other people think it is wrong. How can it be universal if it isn't universally accepted as being wrong? The only thing that is universal is nature, and nature doesn't care about morality.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"] I believe that the "abrahamic religions" you mentioned in an earlier post are all essentially the worship of the same god with man putting a different twist on how you should woeship and different names and stories and whatnot. Christianity is the best fit for me and what i see as the most logical. although i follow none of those religions completely. i believe in reincarnation if you die before you accept christ into your life. not exactly a traditional christian belief. but the most important thing is the most basic thing imo. just accept and make a relationship with god and accept his love and you will be fine. as long as your not doing horrible things along with it like murder and whatnot.taterfrickintot

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

Why do you deny the dozens of other religions... many of them claim to be the origin of human existence, many of them have sort of afterlife, many of them have similar "rules" for living... What makes what you believe in the correct one?

whiskeystrike

There are many religions that exist outside of the abrahimic ones... care to explain why those happen to be wrong and your belief right?

Why doesn't God emotionally "touch" everyone on earth so that we can all become Christians? Or do God wants to see some of us go to hell?Lonelynight

You have to reach out to God first, he can't reach out to you. You have to have faith. If God spoke to you then you wouldn't have come to Him of your own free will. And God doesn't want anyone to go to Hell, although my concept of Hell is based more off of Judaic teachings and not so much a firey lake of fire with people getting tortured.

In my personal opinion, I simply believe that "Hell" is an absence from God. I believe in a Soul, and depending on how you live your life, it either goes to God and keeps living in a higher plain of existence (I believe the Sould is a form of energy beyond our comprehension) but if your bad and choose to forefiet your soul, then when you die you simply go no where. Your soul is literally dust, it's like you never existed.

That's my concept of Hell, my concept of Heaven is where you conitnue to live as a higher form of life through your Soul. We cannot describe it Earthly terms as it's beyond our comprehension. We simply cannot grasp it, but it is better.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]Why doesn't God emotionally "touch" everyone on earth so that we can all become Christians? Or do God wants to see some of us go to hell?ShadowMoses900

You have to reach out to God first, he can't reach out to you. You have to have faith. If God spoke to you then you wouldn't have come to Him of your own free will. And God doesn't want anyone to go to Hell, although my concept of Hell is based more off of Judaic teachings and not so much a firey lake of fire with people getting tortured.

In my personal opinion, I simply believe that "Hell" is an absence from God. I believe in a Soul, and depending on how you live your life, it either goes to God and keeps living in a higher plain of existence (I believe the Sould is a form of energy beyond our comprehension) but if your bad and choose to forefiet your soul, then when you die you simply go no where. Your soul is literally dust, it's like you never existed.

That's my concept of Hell, my concept of Heaven is where you conitnue to live as a higher form of life through your Soul. We cannot describe it Earthly terms as it's beyond our comprehension. We simply cannot grasp it, but it is better.

[QUOTE="Pikdum"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So you think that rape isn't universally wrong? You think that slavery isn't universally wrong? If you were in a society where Slavery was the norm you would be ok with that? You don't see anything fundamentally "Evil" about that?

And I beleive these things are wrong because they go against what God intends.

ShadowMoses900

I personally see something wrong with those things. But I don't have to know that those things are not what god intended to believe they are wrong.

But do you believe they are universally wrong, do you think that it is morally and objectively wrong to rape or endue someone into slavery period?

If you answer yes (which I know you will, only a bad person would say no) then you are admitting to a universal concept of Evil. Where does this come from? What is Evil? Where does our concept of Good and Evil come from? Why do we know what is right and wrong?

I do happen to think they are wrong, yes. But there are still people alive that think it is acceptable.

To answer where it comes from, Society creates what is right and wrong. Sumeria created the first written law system of what was right and wrong. The concept of good and evil is a product from the earliest civilizations of humanity. It isn't something that was created by the bible if that is what you are suggesting.