The reason us christians are christians.

[QUOTE="pariah3"]

If there was a God then he would help many people all over the world and not just this anynymous guy.

hiphops_savior

[QUOTE="kussese"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I belive God does help people, just in different ways. The saying that "God works in mysterious ways" is true IMO. There is a good Futruama episode where Bender meets God and God tells him "if you do things right, people won't be sure you even exist".

Basically in the episode there are these monks trapped inside a bulding and they can't get out, so they are praying to God to help them, well Bender shows up and rescues them because he doesn't think God will.

Well God did help save the monks, just through Bender. But Bender acted through his own free will to do so, not being forced to do it.

taterfrickintot

isn't catholicism the only real christian faith? the protestants protested and broke away and made up there own rules so how do they know they're correct? god never told them they were right. :?ZumaJones07

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]what about two Christians who get married and have a disabled child? What is god doing there? is he touching them or just completely ignoring them? what if the couple were devout Christians and and that happened... wtf god?ShadowMoses900

That child is still a blessing, we can't explain everything but I beleive God only gives you challenges that you can overcome. And most of the problems in the world have nothing to do with God, it's strictly Mans fault. God gave us free will and dominion over the World, we choose what happens to it.

isn't catholicism the only real christian faith? the protestants protested and broke away and made up there own rules so how do they know they're correct? god never told them they were right. :?ZumaJones07

When Jesus descended to this Earth 2000 years ago, he was considered a Jew.

The Catholics claim that Jesus Christ founded the Roman Catholic Church upon Peter's confession.

The Protestants justify their ties to God by saying that the event didn't found the Catholic Church...but just Christianity itself.

Both demoninations rely on the Bible for their beliefs.

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="kussese"] Well what about those people who don't receive any help at all? What about those five year old children in Africa who have watched their mothers get raped and/or murdered, then suffer painful deaths by Malaria only weeks later? kussese

[QUOTE="kussese"]

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"] Times of extreme peril have existed since the beginning of man. even in the bible. Everything happens for a reason. Life isnt supposed to be happyfunlandtime. its a cruel unfair world to prepare us for what god has planned.taterfrickintot

The reason we are christians is because we have been spiritually and emotionally effected and touched on a personal level by god.

taterfrickintot

2. That thing, being "touched by god", can be interpreted in many ways. You also know that.

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

believe whatever you want but the fact of the matter is that not one single supernatural event has ever been recorded in the history of man but your entire belief system is suspended from the pretext that the entire universe is a supernatural event and filled with gods and demons and angels and magic.

my only real problem with all this nonesense is that you guys try to solve real world practical earthbound problems with mystical mumbo jumbo and it is just not working.

Riverwolf007

you don't want women to have abortions so your politicians advocate an 8 inch long probe be inserted into them against their will so they will be intimidated into going along with what you want.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/transvaginal-war-on-women

http://mykeystrokes.com/2012/02/17/the-republican-war-against-women-pre-abortion-transvaginal-sonograms-make-their-way-into-law/

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

This is my own observation, make of it what you will.

Most people I know who are atheist don't have a problem with your beliefs as it pertains to you personally, it's the simple fact that many Christians feel they are morally superior because they are Christians. There's a word for that: pride.

Look at how the religious sects are contorting the Republican party. I used to be able to agree with a lot of what Republicans preached, I even voted Republican a few times back in the 90's. I won't now. When I vote this year I'm pulling the collective Democratic ticket simply because the new Republican party scares the poo out of me.

I'm glad that you're confident in your beliefs, but please understand that most people are just as confident in their beliefs, and their reasons for it are just as personal and often just as inspiring as your reasons for yours.

taterfrickintot

It goes both ways. Let me detail to you an argument I got into not so long ago with a devout Christian.

He asked me if I believed in 'The Big Bang Theory' to which I replied "Yes, observations seem to point in that direction."

"So something came from nothing?" he retorted.

"You mean like ex nihilo?" I asked.

"But ex nihilo states that there's an existence beyond our own. It's called God."

"String theory says the same," I replied, "It's called the Multiverse."

"So where did the multiverse come from?" He asked. "It had to have a beginning."

"Where did God come from?" I asked. "He had to have a beginning."

He shot back "God is eternal, he has no beginning and no end."

"Do you understand eternity?"

"It means it goes on forever."

"No, it doesn't. Think about this: In our existence we have three spacial dimensions; up and down being one, left and right being the second, and backward and forward being the third. There's also another dimension: time. Time is not a spacial dimension, it is a linear one; movement only goes one way - forward."

I continued "if you could remove yourself from our 3D space, so that you could view our existence outside of the confines of our observational limitations, time would cease to exist. Our 3D space plus the linear dimension of time would appear as a singularity, everything happening in a single point of simultaneous eternity. There is no beginning and no end because everything is simultaneously static. We perceive time as being rigid and moving forward only because we are encompassed within time."

"But we can prove time is malleable by the fact that the faster you go, the slower time passes from your perspective. When you slow back to normal rate, even though less time has passed for you than for those who did not travel with you, you are all still occupying the same instance in time."

"Time needs to have a beginning and end because time is a construct of our universes existence. Move outside our universe and time simply does not exist. This is eternity, and this is why there are no beginnings or endings in eternity, because to anything outside our universe, everything is a single static occurance."

He thought for a minute, and then said "that'll be little comfort to you when you're burning in hell forever and ever."

See, that's my problem with many Christians. They can't even entertain the idea that other explanations for existence are just as valid, and often have more evidence to support them, than their own ideas. And if you don't agree with them, well, you're hell-bound.

I think the Jews have a more correct idea of the afterlife: they don't worry about it. They're more concerned with honoring God in life than they are with what happens after. Christians could stand to take a lesson from them.

A lot of the athiests on here tend to think us christians simply read the bible and just believe it for the sake of believing it, but thats the furthest from the truth. The reason we are christians is because we have been spiritually and emotionally effected and touched on a personal level by god.

I cant explain it really, but this short video basically sums it up through a personal story. this guy is one of my big role models.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoBbszqpkGQ

taterfrickintot

God touched you? Uh-oh, lemme go get the doll so you can show me where.

I thought Christians were Christians because they were born into Christian families, like Mulsims are Muslims because they are born into Muslim families, and so on with the rest of world religion.

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="kussese"] I can't understand how anyone would believe in a God who knowingly creates people to suffer, never hear his name, and then burn in Hell for eternity because they didn't worship him. Not only that, but if you live life thinking "Oh, that kid just died because God wanted him to. It must have been for the greater good! Three cheers for AIDS!" what could possibly motivate you to alter similar circumstances in the future?

kussese

I personally dont agree with everything in the bible. like i said before, the most important part of being a christian is Accepting jesus as your savior and making that relationship with christ.

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

A lot of the athiests on here tend to think us christians simply read the bible and just believe it for the sake of believing it, but thats the furthest from the truth. The reason we are christians is because we have been spiritually and emotionally effected and touched on a personal level by god.

I cant explain it really, but this short video basically sums it up through a personal story. this guy is one of my big role models.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoBbszqpkGQ

theone86

God touched you? Uh-oh, lemme go get the doll so you can show me where.

I thought Christians were Christians because they were born into Christian families, like Mulsims are Muslims because they are born into Muslim families, and so on with the rest of world religion.

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

A lot of the athiests on here tend to think us christians simply read the bible and just believe it for the sake of believing it, but thats the furthest from the truth. The reason we are christians is because we have been spiritually and emotionally effected and touched on a personal level by god.

I cant explain it really, but this short video basically sums it up through a personal story. this guy is one of my big role models.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoBbszqpkGQ

theone86

God touched you? Uh-oh, lemme go get the doll so you can show me where.

I thought Christians were Christians because they were born into Christian families, like Mulsims are Muslims because they are born into Muslim families, and so on with the rest of world religion.

It's funny how either "religion" or "the absence of religion" can be an ideal brainwashed into young children.

It really shows how impressionable our youth is today.

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

A lot of the athiests on here tend to think us christians simply read the bible and just believe it for the sake of believing it, but thats the furthest from the truth. The reason we are christians is because we have been spiritually and emotionally effected and touched on a personal level by god.

I cant explain it really, but this short video basically sums it up through a personal story. this guy is one of my big role models.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoBbszqpkGQ

theone86

God touched you? Uh-oh, lemme go get the doll so you can show me where.

I thought Christians were Christians because they were born into Christian families, like Mulsims are Muslims because they are born into Muslim families, and so on with the rest of world religion.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

A lot of the athiests on here tend to think us christians simply read the bible and just believe it for the sake of believing it, but thats the furthest from the truth. The reason we are christians is because we have been spiritually and emotionally effected and touched on a personal level by god.

I cant explain it really, but this short video basically sums it up through a personal story. this guy is one of my big role models.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoBbszqpkGQ

peterw007

God touched you? Uh-oh, lemme go get the doll so you can show me where.

I thought Christians were Christians because they were born into Christian families, like Mulsims are Muslims because they are born into Muslim families, and so on with the rest of world religion.

It's funny how both "religion" or "the absence of religion" can be ideals brainwashed into young children.

It really shows how impressionable our youth is today.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

A lot of the athiests on here tend to think us christians simply read the bible and just believe it for the sake of believing it, but thats the furthest from the truth. The reason we are christians is because we have been spiritually and emotionally effected and touched on a personal level by god.

I cant explain it really, but this short video basically sums it up through a personal story. this guy is one of my big role models.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoBbszqpkGQ

peterw007

God touched you? Uh-oh, lemme go get the doll so you can show me where.

I thought Christians were Christians because they were born into Christian families, like Mulsims are Muslims because they are born into Muslim families, and so on with the rest of world religion.

It's funny how either "religion" or "the absence of religion" can be an ideal brainwashed into young children.

It really shows how impressionable our youth is today.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

People are Christians because that is their faith and what they legitmentantly believe in. Nothing wrong with that, I believe in God myself as it's my faith God exists and it simply makes the most logical sense to me.

But just a word of advice, OT is FULL of miltant extreame atheists who get upset if someone simply wishes them Merry Christmas. They simply arn't atheists who don't believe in God, they are people who act like it's their goal in life to destroying religion and bashing those who believe in God.

wis3boi

I wasn't trying to generalise, so I apolgise for it if I did. I guess I should have added "not all atheists", but my post was accurate however. People on this board are overall atheists and the vast majoirty of them are militant about it. Doesn't apply to everyone of course, but it's true.

That is the atmosphere of this place and it's apparent to anyone the moment they enter here.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

A lot of the athiests on here tend to think us christians simply read the bible and just believe it for the sake of believing it, but thats the furthest from the truth. The reason we are christians is because we have been spiritually and emotionally effected and touched on a personal level by god.

I cant explain it really, but this short video basically sums it up through a personal story. this guy is one of my big role models.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoBbszqpkGQ

peterw007

God touched you? Uh-oh, lemme go get the doll so you can show me where.

I thought Christians were Christians because they were born into Christian families, like Mulsims are Muslims because they are born into Muslim families, and so on with the rest of world religion.

It's funny how either "religion" or "the absence of religion" can be an ideal brainwashed into young children.

It really shows how impressionable our youth is today.

Can you help someone if they don't want your help?hiphops_savior

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

God touched you? Uh-oh, lemme go get the doll so you can show me where.

I thought Christians were Christians because they were born into Christian families, like Mulsims are Muslims because they are born into Muslim families, and so on with the rest of world religion.

BossPerson

It's funny how either "religion" or "the absence of religion" can be an ideal brainwashed into young children.

It really shows how impressionable our youth is today.

If you tell your child "God doesn't exist and anyone who believes in him is an idiot," that's brainwashing your child to be an atheist.

If you tell your child "I'm not going to tell you anything about religion, as I want you to make your own mind up," then that's being neutral about the subject.

But just a word of advice, OT is FULL of miltant extreame atheists who get upset if someone simply wishes them Merry Christmas. They simply arn't atheists who don't believe in God, they are people who act like it's their goal in life to destroying religion and bashing those who believe in God.

ShadowMoses900

You forgot to add the Hitler simile. Your post is now incomplete. =(

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

A lot of the athiests on here tend to think us christians simply read the bible and just believe it for the sake of believing it, but thats the furthest from the truth. The reason we are christians is because we have been spiritually and emotionally effected and touched on a personal level by god.

I cant explain it really, but this short video basically sums it up through a personal story. this guy is one of my big role models.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoBbszqpkGQ

peterw007

God touched you? Uh-oh, lemme go get the doll so you can show me where.

I thought Christians were Christians because they were born into Christian families, like Mulsims are Muslims because they are born into Muslim families, and so on with the rest of world religion.

It's funny how both "religion" or "the absence of religion" can be ideals brainwashed into young children.

It really shows how impressionable our youth is today.

Right, because atheists are the ones pushing beliefs from a 2000 year old book on to their kids from the moment they can utilize language and teaching them to distrust anyone who would dare question the authenticity of said book.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

It's funny how either "religion" or "the absence of religion" can be an ideal brainwashed into young children.

It really shows how impressionable our youth is today.

peterw007

If you tell your child "God doesn't exist and anyone who believes in him is an idiot," that's brainwashing your child to be an atheist.

If you tell your child "I'm not going to tell you anything about religion, as I want you to make your own mind up," then that's being neutral about the subject.

I think the latter is what most atheist parents teach their kids, the former is what those kids come to believe of their own volition through their personal dealing with theists.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="pariah3"]

If there really was a God then he would havehelped many people all over the world and not just this anynymous guy. So no I don't believe there really is a God.

kussese

I belive God does help people, just in different ways. The saying that "God works in mysterious ways" is true IMO. There is a good Futruama episode where Bender meets God and God tells him "if you do things right, people won't be sure you even exist".

Basically in the episode there are these monks trapped inside a bulding and they can't get out, so they are praying to God to help them, well Bender shows up and rescues them because he doesn't think God will.

Well God did help save the monks, just through Bender. But Bender acted through his own free will to do so, not being forced to do it.

Those things only happen because Man let's it happen. There is an old quote "The only thing nesseccary for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing". I think Churchill said it but I'm not quite sure.

The UN could easily stop that from happening, but instead turn a blind eye to it. It is the result of corrupt governments, never the less I believe God is with those and still cares for them like everyone else. I believe if more people were aware of it action would be taken to stop it.

The fact that you care is a sign of God to me and you knowing right from wrong. Most people know this wether they admit it or not. If you had the power to stop it would you? I think you would.

So the question is what can we do to stop this? I believe that God inspires people to do good things, but we have the choice to listen to it or not. Again free will.

[QUOTE="kussese"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I belive God does help people, just in different ways. The saying that "God works in mysterious ways" is true IMO. There is a good Futruama episode where Bender meets God and God tells him "if you do things right, people won't be sure you even exist".

Basically in the episode there are these monks trapped inside a bulding and they can't get out, so they are praying to God to help them, well Bender shows up and rescues them because he doesn't think God will.

Well God did help save the monks, just through Bender. But Bender acted through his own free will to do so, not being forced to do it.

ShadowMoses900

Those things only happen because Man let's it happen. There is an old quote "The only thing nesseccary for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing". I think Churchill said it but I'm not quite sure.

The UN could easily stop that from happening, but instead turn a blind eye to it. It is the result of corrupt governments, never the less I believe God is with those and still cares for them like everyone else. I believe if more people were aware of it action would be taken to stop it.

The fact that you care is a sign of God to me and you knowing right from wrong. Most people know this wether they admit it or not. If you had the power to stop it would you? I think you would.

So the question is what can we do to stop this? I believe that God inspires people to do good things, but we have the choice to listen to it or not. Again free will.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]The absence of religion isn't something that is brainwashed into kids, it's a way of telling them to find things out for their own instead of some 2000 year old tracttheone86

If you tell your child "God doesn't exist and anyone who believes in him is an idiot," that's brainwashing your child to be an atheist.

If you tell your child "I'm not going to tell you anything about religion, as I want you to make your own mind up," then that's being neutral about the subject.

I think the latter is what most atheist parents teach their kids, the former is what those kids come to believe of their own volition through their personal dealing with theists.

As I said before, I lived in one of the most liberal states in the country.

I have witnessed parents who love to deride theists at the dinner table...to the point where their young child grows up thinking atheism is the only right answer without ever reflecting on the subject even once.

ITT shadowmoses idiocy -Sun_Tzu-

It's not a choice.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]ITT shadowmoses idiocy Teenaged

It's not a choice.

[QUOTE="kussese"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I belive God does help people, just in different ways. The saying that "God works in mysterious ways" is true IMO. There is a good Futruama episode where Bender meets God and God tells him "if you do things right, people won't be sure you even exist".

Basically in the episode there are these monks trapped inside a bulding and they can't get out, so they are praying to God to help them, well Bender shows up and rescues them because he doesn't think God will.

Well God did help save the monks, just through Bender. But Bender acted through his own free will to do so, not being forced to do it.

ShadowMoses900

Those things only happen because Man let's it happen. There is an old quote "The only thing nesseccary for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing". I think Churchill said it but I'm not quite sure.

The UN could easily stop that from happening, but instead turn a blind eye to it. It is the result of corrupt governments, never the less I believe God is with those and still cares for them like everyone else. I believe if more people were aware of it action would be taken to stop it.

The fact that you care is a sign of God to me and you knowing right from wrong. Most people know this wether they admit it or not. If you had the power to stop it would you? I think you would.

So the question is what can we do to stop this? I believe that God inspires people to do good things, but we have the choice to listen to it or not. Again free will.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

If you tell your child "God doesn't exist and anyone who believes in him is an idiot," that's brainwashing your child to be an atheist.

If you tell your child "I'm not going to tell you anything about religion, as I want you to make your own mind up," then that's being neutral about the subject.

peterw007

I think the latter is what most atheist parents teach their kids, the former is what those kids come to believe of their own volition through their personal dealing with theists.

As I said before, I lived in one of the most liberal states in the country.

I have witnessed parents who love to deride theists at the dinner table...to the point where their young child grows up thinking atheism is the only right answer without ever reflecting on the subject even once.

Funny, I've known plenty of theists and atheists in my life and the most self-righteous among them by far were the theists.

[QUOTE="Novotine"]nope, you're brainwashed. have fun fueled-system

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="kussese"] Well what about those people who don't receive any help at all? What about those five year old children in Africa who have watched their mothers get raped and/or murdered, then suffered painful deaths by Malaria only weeks later?

kussese

Those things only happen because Man let's it happen. There is an old quote "The only thing nesseccary for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing". I think Churchill said it but I'm not quite sure.

The UN could easily stop that from happening, but instead turn a blind eye to it. It is the result of corrupt governments, never the less I believe God is with those and still cares for them like everyone else. I believe if more people were aware of it action would be taken to stop it.

The fact that you care is a sign of God to me and you knowing right from wrong. Most people know this wether they admit it or not. If you had the power to stop it would you? I think you would.

So the question is what can we do to stop this? I believe that God inspires people to do good things, but we have the choice to listen to it or not. Again free will.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

If you tell your child "God doesn't exist and anyone who believes in him is an idiot," that's brainwashing your child to be an atheist.

If you tell your child "I'm not going to tell you anything about religion, as I want you to make your own mind up," then that's being neutral about the subject.

peterw007

I think the latter is what most atheist parents teach their kids, the former is what those kids come to believe of their own volition through their personal dealing with theists.

As I said before, I lived in one of the most liberal states in the country.

I have witnessed parents who love to deride theists at the dinner table...to the point where their young child grows up thinking atheism is the only right answer without ever reflecting on the subject even once.

IMO I believe people become atheits for two primary reasons

1) They witness the hypocirsy in people who claim to be religious and they have been hurt by them, so they associate that with religion in general.

2) They are simply doing it because they think it's cool, they see people like Bill Maher and Dawkins and both of those men come across as being snobbish intellectuals, well intelligence is an attractive quality and they think if they act like that it will make them more intelligent. This also gives them the sense that they are in a special category of people in society, that they belong to an "elite" group that is more intelligent than the aveage person.

What the first group needs to realise is that not all religous people are hyporcrites, and that there are plenty of good ones out there. It was not religion it'self that hurt you, it was just a person misusing it or falsely claiming to it. The second group are mostly just insecure kids who grow up and get in the real world and see how silly they have been acting, and that they are no better than anyone else.

This doesn't apply to everyone obviously, but from my personal experience in the world and having ahteist friends, this where alot of them fall into.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

I think the latter is what most atheist parents teach their kids, the former is what those kids come to believe of their own volition through their personal dealing with theists.

ShadowMoses900

As I said before, I lived in one of the most liberal states in the country.

I have witnessed parents who love to deride theists at the dinner table...to the point where their young child grows up thinking atheism is the only right answer without ever reflecting on the subject even once.

IMO I believe people become atheits for two primary reasons

1) They witness the hypocirsy in people who claim to be religious and they have been hurt by them, so they associate that with religion in general.

2) They are simply doing it because they think it's cool, they see people like Bill Maher and Dawkins and both of those men come across as being snobbish intellectuals, well intelligence is an attractive quality and they think if they act like that it will make them more intelligent. This also gives them the sense that they are in a special category of people in society, that they belong to an "elite" group that is more intelligent than the aveage person.

What the first group needs to realise is that not all religous people are hyporcrites, and that there are plenty of good ones out there. It was not religion it'self that hurt you, it was just a person misusing it or falsely claiming to it. The second group are mostly just insecure kids who grow up and get in the real world and see how silly they have been acting, and that they are no better than anyone else.

This doesn't apply to everyone obviously, but from my personal experience in the world and having ahteist friends, this where alot of them fall into.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

As I said before, I lived in one of the most liberal states in the country.

I have witnessed parents who love to deride theists at the dinner table...to the point where their young child grows up thinking atheism is the only right answer without ever reflecting on the subject even once.

HoolaHoopMan

IMO I believe people become atheits for two primary reasons

1) They witness the hypocirsy in people who claim to be religious and they have been hurt by them, so they associate that with religion in general.

2) They are simply doing it because they think it's cool, they see people like Bill Maher and Dawkins and both of those men come across as being snobbish intellectuals, well intelligence is an attractive quality and they think if they act like that it will make them more intelligent. This also gives them the sense that they are in a special category of people in society, that they belong to an "elite" group that is more intelligent than the aveage person.

What the first group needs to realise is that not all religous people are hyporcrites, and that there are plenty of good ones out there. It was not religion it'self that hurt you, it was just a person misusing it or falsely claiming to it. The second group are mostly just insecure kids who grow up and get in the real world and see how silly they have been acting, and that they are no better than anyone else.

This doesn't apply to everyone obviously, but from my personal experience in the world and having ahteist friends, this where alot of them fall into.

[QUOTE="kussese"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Those things only happen because Man let's it happen. There is an old quote "The only thing nesseccary for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing". I think Churchill said it but I'm not quite sure.

The UN could easily stop that from happening, but instead turn a blind eye to it. It is the result of corrupt governments, never the less I believe God is with those and still cares for them like everyone else. I believe if more people were aware of it action would be taken to stop it.

The fact that you care is a sign of God to me and you knowing right from wrong. Most people know this wether they admit it or not. If you had the power to stop it would you? I think you would.

So the question is what can we do to stop this? I believe that God inspires people to do good things, but we have the choice to listen to it or not. Again free will.

taterfrickintot

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="kussese"] You can't believe in an omnipotent and omniscient being, then lay the fault entirely on man. God created man knowing the outcome of his actions. He knew the instant he created Adam and Eve that 6000 years later, we would have these problems in the world. Yet he didn't change any of it. Yes, I would rid the world of its atrocities given the chance. Most people would. I think that makes most people kind-hearted. God, however, created the world knowing full well the horrible outcome. I think that necessarily rids him of benevolence.kussese

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I think the latter is what most atheist parents teach their kids, the former is what those kids come to believe of their own volition through their personal dealing with theists.

ShadowMoses900

As I said before, I lived in one of the most liberal states in the country.

I have witnessed parents who love to deride theists at the dinner table...to the point where their young child grows up thinking atheism is the only right answer without ever reflecting on the subject even once.

IMO I believe people become atheits for two primary reasons

1) They witness the hypocirsy in people who claim to be religious and they have been hurt by them, so they associate that with religion in general.

2) They are simply doing it because they think it's cool, they see people like Bill Maher and Dawkins and both of those men come across as being snobbish intellectuals, well intelligence is an attractive quality and they think if they act like that it will make them more intelligent. This also gives them the sense that they are in a special category of people in society, that they belong to an "elite" group that is more intelligent than the aveage person.

What the first group needs to realise is that not all religous people are hyporcrites, and that there are plenty of good ones out there. It was not religion it'self that hurt you, it was just a person misusing it or falsely claiming to it. The second group are mostly just insecure kids who grow up and get in the real world and see how silly they have been acting, and that they are no better than anyone else.

This doesn't apply to everyone obviously, but from my personal experience in the world and having ahteist friends, this where alot of them fall into.

TL;DR version: I don't understand atheists, so they must be atheists for some stupid reason like they're disillusioned or they're just trying to be cool.

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[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"] I think that youre missing the point that our world isnt supposed to be a perfect utopia. and i personally dont believe that god can see into the future, or at least he chooses not to.taterfrickintot

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

IMO I believe people become atheits for two primary reasons

1) They witness the hypocirsy in people who claim to be religious and they have been hurt by them, so they associate that with religion in general.

2) They are simply doing it because they think it's cool, they see people like Bill Maher and Dawkins and both of those men come across as being snobbish intellectuals, well intelligence is an attractive quality and they think if they act like that it will make them more intelligent. This also gives them the sense that they are in a special category of people in society, that they belong to an "elite" group that is more intelligent than the aveage person.

What the first group needs to realise is that not all religous people are hyporcrites, and that there are plenty of good ones out there. It was not religion it'self that hurt you, it was just a person misusing it or falsely claiming to it. The second group are mostly just insecure kids who grow up and get in the real world and see how silly they have been acting, and that they are no better than anyone else.

This doesn't apply to everyone obviously, but from my personal experience in the world and having ahteist friends, this where alot of them fall into.

-Sun_Tzu-

Well not believing in God does go well with drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon, wearing black rimmed glasses, and wearing scarves in the summer. Ooh and skinny jeans! That's show those conformist believers.

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="kussese"] I'm not asking for a flawless world. I'm asking for a just one.

HoolaHoopMan

But it's all cool because we killed his son. According to his will. Yeah.

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[QUOTE="kussese"]

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"] I think that youre missing the point that our world isnt supposed to be a perfect utopia. and i personally dont believe that god can see into the future, or at least he chooses not to.taterfrickintot

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="kussese"] I'm not asking for a flawless world. I'm asking for a just one.

HoolaHoopMan

There is good in every man woman and child. Its up to each person to work through the hardships and corruption of this world and accept christ into their life to become worthy to god and the kingdom of heaven.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="kussese"] Well what about those people who don't receive any help at all? What about those five year old children in Africa who have watched their mothers get raped and/or murdered, then suffered painful deaths by Malaria only weeks later?

kussese

Those things only happen because Man let's it happen. There is an old quote "The only thing nesseccary for Evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing". I think Churchill said it but I'm not quite sure.

The UN could easily stop that from happening, but instead turn a blind eye to it. It is the result of corrupt governments, never the less I believe God is with those and still cares for them like everyone else. I believe if more people were aware of it action would be taken to stop it.

The fact that you care is a sign of God to me and you knowing right from wrong. Most people know this wether they admit it or not. If you had the power to stop it would you? I think you would.

So the question is what can we do to stop this? I believe that God inspires people to do good things, but we have the choice to listen to it or not. Again free will.

If God came down and just did away with all evil from the world that would ruin the purpose of life, if that happened you wouldn't have free will, you wouldn't choose to be an atheist you would believe in God simply because of a divine act.

There would be no need for faith, which is what God wants. Otherwise we would all be robots without free will, you would only believe in God at that point because you know he exists.

I don't know if God knows the future or not, I believe God operates on a level that is far above something humans can even begin to imagine. It simply wouldn't make sense to us. However what I do believe in is our free will which is up to us to choose how to live our lives.

To try and be a better person, because we have free will some of us will use it to hurt others while some of us will try to make a better place in what is a broken world. Life in't meant to be perfect, believing in God doesn't mean you won't face problems, it just means you will have the strength to understand and overcome them.

Also I don't take Bible all literally, very few people do, Genises for example is written in the form of a poem. Mabey some aspects of it are based off of real things, but when they were written down they were over exaggerated or added elements to them. Over time a story that is told orally will have changes made to it.

This is all just what I believe of course.

If God came down and just did away with all evil from the world that would ruin the purpose of life, if that happened you wouldn't have free will, you wouldn't choose to be an atheist you would believe in God simply because of a divine act.

There would be no need for faith, which is what God wants. Otherwise we would all be robots without free will, you would only believe in God at that point because you know he exists.

ShadowMoses900

Who are you to say what God can and cannot do?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

If God came down and just did away with all evil from the world that would ruin the purpose of life, if that happened you wouldn't have free will, you wouldn't choose to be an atheist you would believe in God simply because of a divine act.

There would be no need for faith, which is what God wants. Otherwise we would all be robots without free will, you would only believe in God at that point because you know he exists.

-Sun_Tzu-

Who are you to say what God can and cannot do?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

If God came down and just did away with all evil from the world that would ruin the purpose of life, if that happened you wouldn't have free will, you wouldn't choose to be an atheist you would believe in God simply because of a divine act.

There would be no need for faith, which is what God wants. Otherwise we would all be robots without free will, you would only believe in God at that point because you know he exists.

-Sun_Tzu-

Who are you to say what God can and cannot do?

I never said that