The religion of peace strikes again

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You should keep up with current events then. Hard to do that in your country? LJS9502_basic

Sorry to have to post this yet again, Lj can you please read this. Try follow the conversation, its only 3 bits, Phil says something, I reply to phil, you then claim that my country makes it difficult to follow the news, you then go on in more posts to attack me. Its a little crazy.

So 3 steps.

Read phils comment.

Read my reply to phils comment.

Read where you go crazy and misinterpret my post.

Easy 1 2 3.

Why is it that the other dude was able to understand that....and yet you still can't admit your mistake?

You seem confused, its only 3 steps, we can try again, try reading it once more please.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Sorry to have to post this yet again, Lj can you please read this. Try follow the conversation, its only 3 bits, Phil says something, I reply to phil, you then claim that my country makes it difficult to follow the news, you then go on in more posts to attack me. Its a little crazy.

So 3 steps.

Read phils comment.

Read my reply to phils comment.

Read where you go crazy and misinterpret my post.

Easy 1 2 3.

tenaka2

Why is it that the other dude was able to understand that....and yet you still can't admit your mistake?

You seem confused, its only 3 steps, we can try again, try reading it once more please.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

You know whats even more amazing america apologized for the offensive film, whatever it was.

LJS9502_basic

America apologised? I find this difficult to believe.

Sorry to have to post this yet again, Lj can you please read this. Try follow the conversation, its only 3 bits, Phil says something, I reply to phil, you then claim that my country makes it difficult to follow the news, you then go on in more posts to attack me. Its a little crazy.

So 3 steps.

Read phils comment.

Read my reply to phils comment.

Read where you go crazy and misinterpret my post.

Easy 1 2 3.

lets try one more time, please read.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

America apologised? I find this difficult to believe.

tenaka2

Sorry to have to post this yet again, Lj can you please read this. Try follow the conversation, its only 3 bits, Phil says something, I reply to phil, you then claim that my country makes it difficult to follow the news, you then go on in more posts to attack me. Its a little crazy.

So 3 steps.

Read phils comment.

Read my reply to phils comment.

Read where you go crazy and misinterpret my post.

Easy 1 2 3.

lets try one more time, please read.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You should keep up with current events then. Hard to do that in your country? LJS9502_basic

Sorry to have to post this yet again, Lj can you please read this. Try follow the conversation, its only 3 bits, Phil says something, I reply to phil, you then claim that my country makes it difficult to follow the news, you then go on in more posts to attack me. Its a little crazy.

So 3 steps.

Read phils comment.

Read my reply to phils comment.

Read where you go crazy and misinterpret my post.

Easy 1 2 3.

lets try one more time, please read.

Oh dear still have the reading comprehension problems I see, lets try one more time its 3 simple steps.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

You know whats even more amazing america apologized for the offensive film, whatever it was.

LJS9502_basic

America apologised? I find this difficult to believe.

Sorry to have to post this yet again, Lj can you please read this. Try follow the conversation, its only 3 bits, Phil says something, I reply to phil, you then claim that my country makes it difficult to follow the news, you then go on in more posts to attack me. Its a little crazy.

So 3 steps.

Read phils comment.

Read my reply to phils comment.

Read where you go crazy and misinterpret my post.

Easy 1 2 3.

lets try one more time, please read.

Does teh word 'Context' have any meaning to you at all Lj?

Oh for f*cks sake Tenaka. I'll be the bigger person and admit I was wrong to think OT was intelligent enough to handle the idea that responding about the idea of the US apologizing was just that. A response about the US apologizing. I'm sorry. I gave you way too much credit to see what I found disagreement with. I'm sorry I won't let that happen again. I'll use simple sentences and simple ideas when I talk with you. We can talk about the weather. Is that simple enough for you?LJS9502_basic

You took a post out of context in a thread you didnt read of an undertanding you didnt have of a news article you never read and decided to attack a post within it LJ. You then decided to blame me for it and launch a number of personal attacks.

Use simple sentences if you wish, you still look like a total dick.

This entitled attitude you have is not healthy, your comments are usually quite good but your flippant out of context commentary is not a good thing.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Oh for f*cks sake Tenaka. I'll be the bigger person and admit I was wrong to think OT was intelligent enough to handle the idea that responding about the idea of the US apologizing was just that. A response about the US apologizing. I'm sorry. I gave you way too much credit to see what I found disagreement with. I'm sorry I won't let that happen again. I'll use simple sentences and simple ideas when I talk with you. We can talk about the weather. Is that simple enough for you?tenaka2

You took a post out of context in a thread you didnt read of an undertanding you didnt have of a news article you never read and decided to attack a post within it LJ. You then decided to blame me for it and launch a number of personal attacks.

Use simple sentences if you wish, you still look like a total dick.

This entitled attitude you have is not healthy, your comments are usually quite good but your flippant out of context commentary is not a good thing.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Oh for f*cks sake Tenaka. I'll be the bigger person and admit I was wrong to think OT was intelligent enough to handle the idea that responding about the idea of the US apologizing was just that. A response about the US apologizing. I'm sorry. I gave you way too much credit to see what I found disagreement with. I'm sorry I won't let that happen again. I'll use simple sentences and simple ideas when I talk with you. We can talk about the weather. Is that simple enough for you?LJS9502_basic

You took a post out of context in a thread you didnt read of an undertanding you didnt have of a news article you never read and decided to attack a post within it LJ. You then decided to blame me for it and launch a number of personal attacks.

Use simple sentences if you wish, you still look like a total dick.

This entitled attitude you have is not healthy, your comments are usually quite good but your flippant out of context commentary is not a good thing.

Ok

The U.S. will never apologize for it's freedom of speech.

They should apolgize for their backwards culture.

I'm amazed these people got past the stone age. Oh, wait...

MirkoS77

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Skarwolf"]

We as westerners should also understand that a chimpanzee doesn't understand irony. It doesn't matter if you try to teach them english literature the chimpanzee will never understand irony. Likewise, the people responsible for these attacks will never understand the irony of attacking and killing people in the name of their religion over an amateur video which suggests said religion is violent.

If anything it shows how vastly superior we in the west are compared to these inbred, barbaric, archaic, savages. I'm glad they're as stupid as they are. I enjoy my cheap my gasoline while your dictator reaps all the spoils and gives you people handouts. Go back to sitting around clutching the wreckage letting flys crawl all over your face smoking yoru hookas complaining about how hard your life is while living on western tax payer dollars.

sonicare

I don't really trust Fox News, I've seen them caught in flat out lies way too many times...

I don't really trust Fox News, I've seen them caught in flat out lies way too many times...

Franklinstein

This story is not just on fox news...

The title of this topic is a fail though

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

I don't really trust Fox News, I've seen them caught in flat out lies way too many times...

J-man45

This story is not just on fox news...

The title of this topic is a fail though

The world would be better off without that part of the world. 001011000101101

[QUOTE="001011000101101"]The world would be better off without that part of the world. thebest31406

Mostly because of that damn religion.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="001011000101101"]The world would be better off without that part of the world. 001011000101101

Mostly because of that damn religion.

You realise it was a christian group made the video just to elicit this response right? The response is obviously crazy but everyone knows how fanatical these people are, but the companyMedia for Christ got what they wanted in the end.

So yes I agree with you. Damn Religion.

You realise it was a christian group made the video just to elicit this response right? The response is obviously crazy but everyone knows how fanatical these people are, but the companyMedia for Christ got what they wanted in the end.

So yes I agree with you. Damn Religion.

tenaka2

How do you know that the Christian group wanted this response? Why would they want US, UK and German embassies raided and protests throughout North Aftrica and the Middle East?

Why wouldn't the same levels of violence be assumed for this program:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/islam-the-untold-story/4od

Do you think those documentary-makers wanted to rile Muslims too?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

You realise it was a christian group made the video just to elicit this response right? The response is obviously crazy but everyone knows how fanatical these people are, but the companyMedia for Christ got what they wanted in the end.

So yes I agree with you. Damn Religion.

RationalAtheist

How do you know that the Christian group wanted this response? Why would they want US, UK and German embassies raided and protests throughout North Aftrica and the Middle East?

Why wouldn't the same levels of violence be assumed for this program:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/islam-the-untold-story/4od

Do you think those documentary-makers wanted to rile Muslims too?

I got the information here, seems pretty obvious to me, they also made a version in arabic language version. Also the documentary has been shelved by channel 4 due to complaints.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/13/anti-islam-trailer-police-california

The director and producer known to cast and crew as Bacile now thought to be Nakoula, a Coptic activist who has been convicted of financial crimes commissioned Media for Christ to shoot the video at Blue Cloud studios in Santa Clarita, also known as Blue Cloud Movie Ranch, according to the Pasadena Star-News.

Cast and crew, recruited through a trade magazine, said in a statement on Wednesday they were told the film was set in Egypt 2,000 years ago and would be titled Desert Warriors.

It was shot quickly and cheaply with green screens. Post-production dubbing inserted insulting references to Islam and turned one character, Master George, into a murderous, sex-obsessed version of the prophet Muhammad.

It had a budget of just $100,000, Jimmy Israel, a realtor linked to the production, told Buzzfeed. Bacile claimed to have cancer and to have briefly returned to Egypt to raise funding, Israel said.

There are unconfirmed reports the film was screened once earlier this year to a largely empty cinema in Hollywood. Not in question is the fact that in July a 13-minute video in English purporting to be a trailer for a full-length film was posted on YouTube under the pseudonym Sam Bacile.

It was subsequently promoted by a Washington DC-based radical Coptic activist, Morris Sadik, and the Qur'an-burning Florida pastor Terry Jones.An Arabic-language version was posted on YouTube on September 4. Five days later it was being denounced by media and Muslim clerics in Egypt, prompting assaults on US diplomatic missions in Cairo and Benghazi.

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

You realise it was a christian group made the video just to elicit this response right? The response is obviously crazy but everyone knows how fanatical these people are, but the companyMedia for Christ got what they wanted in the end.

So yes I agree with you. Damn Religion.

tenaka2

How do you know that the Christian group wanted this response? Why would they want US, UK and German embassies raided and protests throughout North Aftrica and the Middle East?

Why wouldn't the same levels of violence be assumed for this program:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/islam-the-untold-story/4od

Do you think those documentary-makers wanted to rile Muslims too?

I got the information here, seems pretty obvious to me, they also made a version in arabic language version. Also the documentary has been shelved by channel 4 due to complaints.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/13/anti-islam-trailer-police-california

The director and producer known to cast and crew as Bacile now thought to be Nakoula, a Coptic activist who has been convicted of financial crimes commissioned Media for Christ to shoot the video at Blue Cloud studios in Santa Clarita, also known as Blue Cloud Movie Ranch, according to the Pasadena Star-News.

Cast and crew, recruited through a trade magazine, said in a statement on Wednesday they were told the film was set in Egypt 2,000 years ago and would be titled Desert Warriors.

It was shot quickly and cheaply with green screens. Post-production dubbing inserted insulting references to Islam and turned one character, Master George, into a murderous, sex-obsessed version of the prophet Muhammad.

It had a budget of just $100,000, Jimmy Israel, a realtor linked to the production, told Buzzfeed. Bacile claimed to have cancer and to have briefly returned to Egypt to raise funding, Israel said.

There are unconfirmed reports the film was screened once earlier this year to a largely empty cinema in Hollywood. Not in question is the fact that in July a 13-minute video in English purporting to be a trailer for a full-length film was posted on YouTube under the pseudonym Sam Bacile.

It was subsequently promoted by a Washington DC-based radical Coptic activist, Morris Sadik, and the Qur'an-burning Florida pastor Terry Jones.An Arabic-language version was posted on YouTube on September 4. Five days later it was being denounced by media and Muslim clerics in Egypt, prompting assaults on US diplomatic missions in Cairo and Benghazi.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

How do you know that the Christian group wanted this response? Why would they want US, UK and German embassies raided and protests throughout North Aftrica and the Middle East?

Why wouldn't the same levels of violence be assumed for this program:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/islam-the-untold-story/4od

Do you think those documentary-makers wanted to rile Muslims too?

MannyDelgado

I got the information here, seems pretty obvious to me, they also made a version in arabic language version. Also the documentary has been shelved by channel 4 due to complaints.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/13/anti-islam-trailer-police-california

The director and producer known to cast and crew as Bacile now thought to be Nakoula, a Coptic activist who has been convicted of financial crimes commissioned Media for Christ to shoot the video at Blue Cloud studios in Santa Clarita, also known as Blue Cloud Movie Ranch, according to the Pasadena Star-News.

Cast and crew, recruited through a trade magazine, said in a statement on Wednesday they were told the film was set in Egypt 2,000 years ago and would be titled Desert Warriors.

It was shot quickly and cheaply with green screens. Post-production dubbing inserted insulting references to Islam and turned one character, Master George, into a murderous, sex-obsessed version of the prophet Muhammad.

It had a budget of just $100,000, Jimmy Israel, a realtor linked to the production, told Buzzfeed. Bacile claimed to have cancer and to have briefly returned to Egypt to raise funding, Israel said.

There are unconfirmed reports the film was screened once earlier this year to a largely empty cinema in Hollywood. Not in question is the fact that in July a 13-minute video in English purporting to be a trailer for a full-length film was posted on YouTube under the pseudonym Sam Bacile.

It was subsequently promoted by a Washington DC-based radical Coptic activist, Morris Sadik, and the Qur'an-burning Florida pastor Terry Jones.An Arabic-language version was posted on YouTube on September 4. Five days later it was being denounced by media and Muslim clerics in Egypt, prompting assaults on US diplomatic missions in Cairo and Benghazi.

Why make a version in arabic then? Did you follow the link? Read this bit if you remain unconvinced:

A small network of militant US Christians helped the video's Californian Coptic makers.

Steve Klein, an anti-Islamic activist and self-described counter-terrorism expert, said he acted as a "consultant" on the film. He did not respond to interview requests on Thursday.

Klein has worked closely with Coptic groups over the years, according to Jim Horn, a fellow activist. "He's been helping them to stand up for themselves against Islamic terror in Egypt. That's what he does," he told the Guardian.

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

I got the information here, seems pretty obvious to me, they also made a version in arabic language version. Also the documentary has been shelved by channel 4 due to complaints.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/13/anti-islam-trailer-police-california

The director and producer known to cast and crew as Bacile now thought to be Nakoula, a Coptic activist who has been convicted of financial crimes commissioned Media for Christ to shoot the video at Blue Cloud studios in Santa Clarita, also known as Blue Cloud Movie Ranch, according to the Pasadena Star-News.

Cast and crew, recruited through a trade magazine, said in a statement on Wednesday they were told the film was set in Egypt 2,000 years ago and would be titled Desert Warriors.

It was shot quickly and cheaply with green screens. Post-production dubbing inserted insulting references to Islam and turned one character, Master George, into a murderous, sex-obsessed version of the prophet Muhammad.

It had a budget of just $100,000, Jimmy Israel, a realtor linked to the production, told Buzzfeed. Bacile claimed to have cancer and to have briefly returned to Egypt to raise funding, Israel said.

There are unconfirmed reports the film was screened once earlier this year to a largely empty cinema in Hollywood. Not in question is the fact that in July a 13-minute video in English purporting to be a trailer for a full-length film was posted on YouTube under the pseudonym Sam Bacile.

It was subsequently promoted by a Washington DC-based radical Coptic activist, Morris Sadik, and the Qur'an-burning Florida pastor Terry Jones.An Arabic-language version was posted on YouTube on September 4. Five days later it was being denounced by media and Muslim clerics in Egypt, prompting assaults on US diplomatic missions in Cairo and Benghazi.

tenaka2

Why make a version in arabic then? Did you follow the link? Read this bit if you remain unconvinced:

A small network of militant US Christians helped the video's Californian Coptic makers.

Steve Klein, an anti-Islamic activist and self-described counter-terrorism expert, said he acted as a "consultant" on the film. He did not respond to interview requests on Thursday.

Klein has worked closely with Coptic groups over the years, according to Jim Horn, a fellow activist. "He's been helping them to stand up for themselves against Islamic terror in Egypt. That's what he does," he told the Guardian.

Lets say that they did want that response.. So fvcking what? The moron Islamists that reacted to this are only proving their perceptions true about this.. The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what their goal in the video was, it was a matter of free speech.. And violence should not be excused based upon some one excercising it.. No one is stopping these fvcking stupid Islamists from making their own videos to counter it.

Why make a version in arabic then?

tenaka2

I have cut out the rest of your post because it is not relevant, since it doesn't imply anything about whether the filmmakers intended it to get the reaction it did.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Why make a version in arabic then?

MannyDelgado

I have cut out the rest of your post because it is not relevant, since it doesn't imply anything about whether the filmmakers intended it to get the reaction it did (nor is it clear why, exactly, they would want Americans murdered because of their film, but I digress).

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Why make a version in arabic then?

sSubZerOo

I have cut out the rest of your post because it is not relevant, since it doesn't imply anything about whether the filmmakers intended it to get the reaction it did (nor is it clear why, exactly, they would want Americans murdered because of their film, but I digress).

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Why make a version in arabic then?

MannyDelgado

I have cut out the rest of your post because it is not relevant, since it doesn't imply anything about whether the filmmakers intended it to get the reaction it did.

First off don't get me wrong, in my opinion islam is a crazy religion and the fanatics killing people over this are in my opinion also crazy.

That said these people created the video and made an arabic version to intentionally to cause this. I realise you cut the post because it undermines your stance.

That said these people created the video and made an arabic version to intentionally to cause this.tenaka2

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]You still haven't actually backed up your claim that the Christian group wanted the response the film gotsSubZerOo

Why make a version in arabic then? Did you follow the link? Read this bit if you remain unconvinced:

A small network of militant US Christians helped the video's Californian Coptic makers.

Steve Klein, an anti-Islamic activist and self-described counter-terrorism expert, said he acted as a "consultant" on the film. He did not respond to interview requests on Thursday.

Klein has worked closely with Coptic groups over the years, according to Jim Horn, a fellow activist. "He's been helping them to stand up for themselves against Islamic terror in Egypt. That's what he does," he told the Guardian.

Lets say that they did want that response.. So fvcking what? The moron Islamists that reacted to this are only proving their perceptions true about this.. The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what their goal in the video was, it was a matter of free speech.. And violence should not be excused based upon some one excercising it.. No one is stopping these fvcking stupid Islamists from making their own videos to counter it.

I agree the islamic crowd are crazy as I already admitted, as for your 'so fvcking what', would you be happy knowing your actions caused so many deaths? If you are then I'd worry about people in your proximity.

irrelevant MannyDelgado

Can you stop with the quote mining, its dishonest, either quote fully or don't reply.

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]irrelevant tenaka2

Can you stop with the quote mining, its dishonest, either quote fully or don't reply.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]irrelevant MannyDelgado

Can you stop with the quote mining, its dishonest, either quote fully or don't reply.

I know what it means and I know why you do it.

I know what it means and I know why you do it.

tenaka2

people are so much keener to condemn people for making a film than they are for going out and murdering people because of it is beyond me.

MannyDelgado

it's also false, making videos is obviously not the same as killing people, no one would suggest this. However provoking another religion, knowing how they always react ro such provocation is an awful thing to do.

Saying that are blame free is not right either.

When I see something like this I always wonder: Do these people really have nothing better to do? give them an excuse to riot and they all jump on it like bees on honey

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Why make a version in arabic then? Did you follow the link? Read this bit if you remain unconvinced:

A small network of militant US Christians helped the video's Californian Coptic makers.

Steve Klein, an anti-Islamic activist and self-described counter-terrorism expert, said he acted as a "consultant" on the film. He did not respond to interview requests on Thursday.

Klein has worked closely with Coptic groups over the years, according to Jim Horn, a fellow activist. "He's been helping them to stand up for themselves against Islamic terror in Egypt. That's what he does," he told the Guardian.

tenaka2

Lets say that they did want that response.. So fvcking what? The moron Islamists that reacted to this are only proving their perceptions true about this.. The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what their goal in the video was, it was a matter of free speech.. And violence should not be excused based upon some one excercising it.. No one is stopping these fvcking stupid Islamists from making their own videos to counter it.

I agree the islamic crowd are crazy as I already admitted, as for your 'so fvcking what', would you be happy knowing your actions caused so many deaths? If you are then I'd worry about people in your proximity.

No because it wasn't their fault that caused their death.. Are we suppose to blame comedians out there that poke fun at something or pisses off some one that triggers a violent reaction? Fvck no.. The people who caused it to happen are teh same people who committed the action.. And furthermore THEY ARE ONLY VINDICATING the film makers because they are proving their point of view as being TRUE to many other people..

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]

people are so much keener to condemn people for making a film than they are for going out and murdering people because of it is beyond me.

tenaka2

it's also false, making videos is obviously not the same as killing people, no one would suggest this. However provoking another religion, knowing how they always react ro such provocation is an awful thing to do.

Saying that are blame free is not right either.

Why exactly was the Arab Spring a good thing, again? Do we really want to trust these people with democracy?MannyDelgado

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Lets say that they did want that response.. So fvcking what? The moron Islamists that reacted to this are only proving their perceptions true about this.. The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what their goal in the video was, it was a matter of free speech.. And violence should not be excused based upon some one excercising it.. No one is stopping these fvcking stupid Islamists from making their own videos to counter it.

sSubZerOo

I agree the islamic crowd are crazy as I already admitted, as for your 'so fvcking what', would you be happy knowing your actions caused so many deaths? If you are then I'd worry about people in your proximity.

No because it wasn't their fault that caused their death.. Are we suppose to blame comedians out there that poke fun at something or pisses off some one that triggers a violent reaction? Fvck no.. The people who caused it to happen are teh same people who committed the action.. And furthermore THEY ARE ONLY VINDICATING the film makers because they are proving their point of view as being TRUE to many other people..

of course not and I would never suggest such a thing, however these guys sought the reaction.

Peoples deaths vindicate the film makers? You have a very cheap opinion of life if you think these people lives were worth less then a bunch of militant anti-islamic christians 'point'.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

I agree the islamic crowd are crazy as I already admitted, as for your 'so fvcking what', would you be happy knowing your actions caused so many deaths? If you are then I'd worry about people in your proximity.

tenaka2

No because it wasn't their fault that caused their death.. Are we suppose to blame comedians out there that poke fun at something or pisses off some one that triggers a violent reaction? Fvck no.. The people who caused it to happen are teh same people who committed the action.. And furthermore THEY ARE ONLY VINDICATING the film makers because they are proving their point of view as being TRUE to many other people..

of course not and I would never suggest such a thing, however these guys sought the reaction.

Peoples deaths vindicate the film makers? You have a very cheap opinion of life if you think these people lives were worth less then a bunch of militant anti-islamic christians 'point'.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

I agree the islamic crowd are crazy as I already admitted, as for your 'so fvcking what', would you be happy knowing your actions caused so many deaths? If you are then I'd worry about people in your proximity.

tenaka2

No because it wasn't their fault that caused their death.. Are we suppose to blame comedians out there that poke fun at something or pisses off some one that triggers a violent reaction? Fvck no.. The people who caused it to happen are teh same people who committed the action.. And furthermore THEY ARE ONLY VINDICATING the film makers because they are proving their point of view as being TRUE to many other people..

of course not and I would never suggest such a thing, however these guys sought the reaction.

Peoples deaths vindicate the film makers? You have a very cheap opinion of life if you think these people lives were worth less then a bunch of militant anti-islamic christians 'point'.

YEs because they prove their point that Islam is a degenerate religion of violence based upon their perceptions.. They fell right into the hands of this manipulation based upon the reaction at hand.. ANd for the pointer I don't think Islam is violent or peaceful its like all belief systems, neutral.. But I think its fvcking stupid to even SUGGEST that the film makers are some how responsible.. And its a illness to even concieviably suggest that they are some how at fault for this.. And yes I have a cheap view of life if it even remotely is at odds with basic liberty like this.. Especially when its based around apologism like this.. Especially this is the exact same type of groups that burn flags, say death to America etc etc.. Which I am fine with, go right ahead to their hearts content.. Its just when we start seeing this violent reversal when some one that is not Muslim says something poorly abou ttheir religion or race.. That is unacceptable to even consider that now suddenly its all the filmakers fault while looking at the group that do the same things towards us all the time.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

How do you know that the Christian group wanted this response? Why would they want US, UK and German embassies raided and protests throughout North Aftrica and the Middle East?

Why wouldn't the same levels of violence be assumed for this program:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/islam-the-untold-story/4od

Do you think those documentary-makers wanted to rile Muslims too?

MannyDelgado

I got the information here, seems pretty obvious to me, they also made a version in arabic language version. Also the documentary has been shelved by channel 4 due to complaints.

...

If you click the link to the progam, you can watch it in full, like I did today.

That program - publically viewable on the internet - is critical of Islam. Why no mass outrage for that? Why, going by what you said, wouldn't the producers want the middle east to riot over it? Why isn't the program pulled from the C4 website?

If you click the link to the progam, you can watch it in full, like I did today.

That program - publically viewable on the internet - is critical of Islam. Why no mass outrage for that? Why, going by what you said, wouldn't the producers want the middle east to riot over it? Why isn't the program pulled from the C4 website?

RationalAtheist

So you not willing to talk about the issue at hand? I havn't seen the C4 program yet and its obviously not inflamatory as the film in question, and while I havn't seen it I doubt it contains such things as:

Post-production dubbing inserted insulting references to Islam and turned one character, Master George, into a murderous, sex-obsessed version of the prophet Muhammad.

But please don't misunderstand, I am in no way defending crazed islam extremists or putting the blame on the film makers. But the undeniable fact remains, those people would still be alive if the militant christians didn't produced the film. They are not blameless.

Honestly this entire event has my blood boiling we send billions of dollars to these countries and they burn down our embassies and murder innocent Americans.