The USA should just legalize Pot and Prostitution and Tax the earnings

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[QUOTE="stanleycup98"]No, they are paying the actors to perform in a movie. They just happen to be having sex in their movies.-Sun_Tzu-

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I think you're joking, but in case you aren't... nobody's paying them to "act".

But they always end the same way.:)

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="m0zart"]

:shock:

I think you're joking, but in case you aren't... nobody's paying them to "act".

SpartanMSU

But they always end the same way.:)

The thing I wonder is when the plumper turns up to fix the girls boiler and obviously gets distracted, did he end up fixing it or not? I mean the poor girl has no hot water and she could really do with a shower :(

Yes to both of them, even though I don't smoke pot or screw hookers (and I wouldn't even if it was legal)

To the people saying that prostitution hurts women, why is prostitution bad and porn isn't?

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] ...I watch it for the acting. The story lines can be riveting. poptart

But they always end the same way.:)

The thing I wonder is when the plumper turns up to fix the girls boiler and obviously gets distracted, did he end up fixing it or not? I mean the poor girl has no hot water and she could really do with a shower :(

I'm sure he filled the hole in her boiler with something.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]Except they aren't "acting" like they are having sex... they are actually having sex. By using your logic, if I killed you for real in a movie, then I shouldn't be arrested for murder because I was just acting... even though I ACTUALLY killed you.

BMD004

Yeah, that's totally the same thing. No, this is basically the argument that's been used in courts by porn producers and the courts have agreed. The actors are being paid to be on film. The sex is a decision between consenting adults. It's kind like how you can find escorts legally operating in most major cities. You're paying them for their companionship, not for sex. If sex happens it's a because you and the escort have decided to have sex, not because you've paid them for sex. Sure, in hiring them you expect sex, but it's never explicitly stated by ether party, thus it's legal. Loopholes are awesome.

Because nobody is actually getting paid for sex. The production of pornography itself is protected under the First Amendment. The other issue involved is whether paying other people to have sex counts as pandering. But if nobody is technically being paid to have sex then that issue goes out the window.

[QUOTE="stanleycup98"]No, they are paying the actors to perform in a movie. They just happen to be having sex in their movies.m0zart

:shock:

I think you're joking, but in case you aren't... nobody's paying them to "act".

Pot will be legalized 10 years from now, Im sure of it.

Pot will be legalized 10 years from now, Im sure of it.

Jagged3dge

I think 10 years might be a bit optimistic for its legality, but I believe we'll be having a serious national dialog on the subject in a few years time. I imagine a lot of states will begin to decriminalize it. Granted that won't effect federal laws against it, but it's a start.

It'd be much easier to regulate marijuana, but I don't think it would be a good idea to even try to regulate prostitution, and here's why. Too hard to control the spread of STDs, possible pregnancies, and potential aggressors towards prostitutes. It's just not safe business. JustPlainLucas

It'd be much easier to regulate marijuana, but I don't think it would be a good idea to even try to regulate prostitution, and here's why. Too hard to control the spread of STDs, possible pregnancies, and potential aggressors towards prostitutes. It's just not safe business. JustPlainLucas

Nevada's legalized, licensed, and regulated prostitution just fine.

[QUOTE="sonicare"] There are some countries where prostitution is legal and I dont think they have rampant spread of disease and pregnancy. And there are some states where its semi-legal and I dont think they have an incidence of those thigns that is higher than anywhere else.JustPlainLucas

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Yeah, that's totally the same thing. No, this is basically the argument that's been used in courts by porn producers and the courts have agreed. The actors are being paid to be on film. The sex is a decision between consenting adults. It's kind like how you can find escorts legally operating in most major cities. You're paying them for their companionship, not for sex. If sex happens it's a because you and the escort have decided to have sex, not because you've paid them for sex. Sure, in hiring them you expect sex, but it's never explicitly stated by ether party, thus it's legal. Loopholes are awesome.

worlock77

Because nobody is actually getting paid for sex. The production of pornography itself is protected under the First Amendment. The other issue involved is whether paying other people to have sex counts as pandering. But if nobody is technically being paid to have sex then that issue goes out the window.

When you legalize it you put control of it in the hands of businessmen who have a vested interest in making sure there's a safe, clean, and comfortable environment for all involved. When you criminalize it you put control of it in the hands of thugs and pushers.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]Then why isn't actual amateur porn illegal?

Because nobody is actually getting paid for sex. The production of pornography itself is protected under the First Amendment. The other issue involved is whether paying other people to have sex counts as pandering. But if nobody is technically being paid to have sex then that issue goes out the window.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]Then why isn't actual amateur porn illegal?

BMD004

Because nobody is actually getting paid for sex. The production of pornography itself is protected under the First Amendment. The other issue involved is whether paying other people to have sex counts as pandering. But if nobody is technically being paid to have sex then that issue goes out the window.

If you pay her to have sex with you that's pandering/prostitution. If you pay her to appear in your movie and you two happen to make the choice to have sex then it's all good. It's really not difficult to understand.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Because nobody is actually getting paid for sex. The production of pornography itself is protected under the First Amendment. The other issue involved is whether paying other people to have sex counts as pandering. But if nobody is technically being paid to have sex then that issue goes out the window.

worlock77

If you pay her to have sex with you that's pandering/prostitution. If you pay her to appear in your movie and you two happen to make the choice to have sex then it's all good. It's really not difficult to understand.

You don't pay actors to "appear" in your movies in which they happen to act out certain scenes. You pay them to do specific things... such as dress up as a big bat and fight crime, or become a pet detective. You don't pay them just to act in your movie in which they just "happen" to put on a bat suit and fight crime or just happen to make goofy faces and talk from their butt.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]Then why isn't actual amateur porn illegal?

BMD004

Because nobody is actually getting paid for sex. The production of pornography itself is protected under the First Amendment. The other issue involved is whether paying other people to have sex counts as pandering. But if nobody is technically being paid to have sex then that issue goes out the window.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Because nobody is actually getting paid for sex. The production of pornography itself is protected under the First Amendment. The other issue involved is whether paying other people to have sex counts as pandering. But if nobody is technically being paid to have sex then that issue goes out the window.

stanleycup98

I'm fine with the legalization of pot. I'm not sure about prostitution.

[QUOTE="stanleycup98"][QUOTE="BMD004"]What if I'm making a "movie" and I pay a girl to have sex with me in my "movie". Is that prostitution or porn?

BMD004

No, prostitution is when person A pays person B for sex.

Porn is when person C pays person B and person A to have sex.

Legalizing pot? Yes, i agree 100%. We waste lots of money and resources trying to ban the stuff, when we could be making some serious bank on all the uses for marijuana.

Legalizing prostitution? no, i think it should stay illegal, considering how it could be considered a form of slavery.

Yes and yes

Legalizing pot? Yes, i agree 100%. We waste lots of money and resources trying to ban the stuff, when we could be making some serious bank on all the uses for marijuana.

Legalizing prostitution? no, i think it should stay illegal, considering how it could be considered a form of slavery.

Neo-ganon

Real life is where you buy a girl dinner and she doesn't have sex with you.

Legalizing prostitution? no, i think it should stay illegal, considering how it could be considered a form of slavery.

Neo-ganon

Legalizing prostitution? no, i think it should stay illegal, considering how it could be considered a form of slavery.

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="Neo-ganon"]

Legalizing prostitution? no, i think it should stay illegal, considering how it could be considered a form of slavery.

sonicare

That could happen with any job.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]What if I'm making a "movie" and I pay a girl to have sex with me in my "movie". Is that prostitution or porn?

BMD004

If you pay her to have sex with you that's pandering/prostitution. If you pay her to appear in your movie and you two happen to make the choice to have sex then it's all good. It's really not difficult to understand.

You don't pay actors to "appear" in your movies in which they happen to act out certain scenes. You pay them to do specific things... such as dress up as a big bat and fight crime, or become a pet detective. You don't pay them just to act in your movie in which they just "happen" to put on a bat suit and fight crime or just happen to make goofy faces and talk from their butt.

No it isn't difficult to understand. It's a loophole which porn producers use. They don't explicitly pay their actors to have sex. They pay them to be on film. The courts have agreed with this. Sure, everyone knows full and well going in that the actors are going to be having sex on camera. But it's if not explicitly stated that they're being paid to have sex then it's all legal. Again, take then example of the escorts working openly and legally in most major cities. Implicitly you hire them to have sex with you. Explicitly you hire them simply to hang out with you.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] LOL. So, people consenting to have sex with men with the exchange of money is slavery?ROFLCOPTER603

That could happen with any job.

If they are forced by a third party to do that kind of work, that could be considered a form of slavery.sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"]If they are forced by a third party to do that kind of work, that could be considered a form of slavery.Genetic_Code

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[QUOTE="sonicare"] If they are forced by a third party to do that kind of work, that could be considered a form of slavery.sonicare

That could happen with any job.

Prostitutionis illegal in most places. So naturally one illegal act will lead to another (prostitution --> slavery). When people are willing to break the law, they're willing to break it in multiple places. For instance, the prohibition act lead to increased crime because if people were willing to smuggle alcohol, they were willing to do other illegal things. I'm willing to bet that if prostitution (and marijuana, since it's on topic) were legalized, the seedy elements of those "industries" would lessen greatly.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

That could happen with any job.

ROFLCOPTER603

Prostitutionis illegal in most places. So naturally one illegal act will lead to another (prostitution --> slavery). When people are willing to break the law, they're willing to break it in multiple places. For instance, the prohibition act lead to increased crime because if people were willing to smuggle alcohol, they were willing to do other illegal things. I'm willing to bet that if prostitution (and marijuana, since it's on topic) were legalized, the seedy elements of those "industries" would lessen greatly.

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[QUOTE="sonicare"] I think the sex trade is pretty common, though.Welkabonz

Prostitutionis illegal in most places. So naturally one illegal act will lead to another (prostitution --> slavery). When people are willing to break the law, they're willing to break it in multiple places. For instance, the prohibition act lead to increased crime because if people were willing to smuggle alcohol, they were willing to do other illegal things. I'm willing to bet that if prostitution (and marijuana, since it's on topic) were legalized, the seedy elements of those "industries" would lessen greatly.

That's exaggerating what I said...

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="stanleycup98"] That's prostitution because you are paying the girl to have sex with you. If you pay her to appear in your movie and you decide to have consensual sex in the movie, that's porn. The difference is just how you word it, but it does change it. You can pay pornstars for "appearances" and as long as you film/photograph, it's legal.ROFLCOPTER603

No, prostitution is when person A pays person B for sex.

Porn is when person C pays person B and person A to have sex.

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="Neo-ganon"]

Legalizing prostitution? no, i think it should stay illegal, considering how it could be considered a form of slavery.

sonicare

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]That makes absolutely no sense. What matters is the action that takes place. Prostitution: An exchange of money for having sex. Porn: An exchange of money for having sex.

BMD004

No, prostitution is when person A pays person B for sex.

Porn is when person C pays person B and person A to have sex.

Alright, then it's entity C pays person B and A to have sex.

Yes to both please, and quickly.

I have the weekend coming up

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

If you pay her to have sex with you that's pandering/prostitution. If you pay her to appear in your movie and you two happen to make the choice to have sex then it's all good. It's really not difficult to understand.

worlock77

You don't pay actors to "appear" in your movies in which they happen to act out certain scenes. You pay them to do specific things... such as dress up as a big bat and fight crime, or become a pet detective. You don't pay them just to act in your movie in which they just "happen" to put on a bat suit and fight crime or just happen to make goofy faces and talk from their butt.

No it isn't difficult to understand. It's a loophole which porn producers use. They don't explicitly pay their actors to have sex. They pay them to be on film. The courts have agreed with this. Sure, everyone knows full and well going in that the actors are going to be having sex on camera. But it's if not explicitly stated that they're being paid to have sex then it's all legal. Again, take then example of the escorts working openly and legally in most major cities. Implicitly you hire them to have sex with you. Explicitly you hire them simply to hang out with you.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

No, prostitution is when person A pays person B for sex.

Porn is when person C pays person B and person A to have sex.

ROFLCOPTER603

Alright, then it's entity C pays person B and A to have sex.

I'm not saying that I believe that statement, but that is why paying pornstars to have sex isn't illegal. We all know why they are getting paid, but in the eyes of the law, they are getting paid to act, and they "decide" to have consensual sex in the movie.stanleycup98

Heh, I literally had no idea that that was the workaround. Color me amazed.

"No sir officer, I paid her to come up to my room and talk. Really I did! The sex was consensual!"

No, prostitution is when person A pays person B for sex.

Porn is when person C pays person B and person A to have sex.ROFLCOPTER603

"No sir officer! My dad paid her the money. I just had sex with her. I'M INNOCENT!"

Alright, then it's entity C pays person B and A to have sex.ROFLCOPTER603

"... and then he paid me fifty bucks. Really officer, there was no prostitution involved!"

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]Yes it is difficult to understand because it's the same exact thing. My porn movie has no plot... it's just sex on film. I'm paying her to be in my movie in which the only thing she has to do on camera is have sex with me. Now, is that porn of prostitution?

You don't pay actors to "appear" in your movies in which they happen to act out certain scenes. You pay them to do specific things... such as dress up as a big bat and fight crime, or become a pet detective. You don't pay them just to act in your movie in which they just "happen" to put on a bat suit and fight crime or just happen to make goofy faces and talk from their butt.

BMD004

No it isn't difficult to understand. It's a loophole which porn producers use. They don't explicitly pay their actors to have sex. They pay them to be on film. The courts have agreed with this. Sure, everyone knows full and well going in that the actors are going to be having sex on camera. But it's if not explicitly stated that they're being paid to have sex then it's all legal. Again, take then example of the escorts working openly and legally in most major cities. Implicitly you hire them to have sex with you. Explicitly you hire them simply to hang out with you.

Legally speaking, yeah, probably. The law is all about language, that's why so much time and energy is spent in courts debating particular language. That's why laws sometimes get struck down simply because of the wording used. I can hire a girl to star in my movie. I can direct her to preform oral sex on the male actor. But if I never say "I'm going to pay you to have oral sex with my actor" then technically I've not paid her to have sex, I've paid her to show up on set to be filmed. You can pick up the prostitute, you can take her back to your room, you can give her money for whatever reason, but if you never say "I'm going to give you money to have sex with me" then you've technically not payed her to have sex with you.