christians say god has "always been" but if he existed an infinite amount of time backwards he would've created us an infinite amount of time ago too. but we havn't "always been" so god couldn't be infinite. its possible that he exists he just cant have always been. this theory also says something can't exist without a beginning. i came up with this myself.
You're assuming that He thinks the same way as you do... why would He have had to create us an infite time ago? The way you put it, it's implying He couldn't have existed without us
why is that you must seek this path?...what will you gain if god is or is not? do not seek the answer for it will further cause turmoil-let it be and let live...
If you look at it, time itself has no beginning, the universe has a beginning, but the matter in it did not. Maybe somewhere down the line of billions of big crunchs and big bangs, but as far as we can say, this is not the first time the matter of this universe was a universe, thus time did not start when we thought it did, thus God could have no beginning. I get where you are coming at though, this is a hard concept to grasp...
christians say god has "always been" but if he existed an infinite amount of time backwards he would've created us an infinite amount of time ago too. but we havn't "always been" so god couldn't be infinite. its possible that he exists he just cant have always been. this theory also says something can't exist without a beginning. i came up with this myself.Alacoque72
He exists outside of time, he just is, he is outside all dimensions which means he can manipulate all without effecting himself
No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.
No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.Anamosa41
You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?
No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.Anamosa41
[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.Tylendal
You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?
God's Word is exactly that but written by the hand of man.
[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.Tylendal
You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?
you realise that it might be god's will that you are thinking this?
[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.C_Town_Soul
time is a freakin' concept.Time is not just a concept anymore. It is a fact even mentioned in the Bible. If I had the same mindset that you are showing I would think everything is a concept.
[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.Anamosa41
You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?
God's Word is exactly that but written by the hand of man.
[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.Anamosa41
time is a freakin' concept.Time is not just a concept anymore. It is a fact even mentioned in the Bible. If I had the same mindset that you are showing I would think everything is a concept.
but everything is, there is no proof for anything if you break it down
[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.Anamosa41
You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?
God's Word is exactly that but written by the hand of man.so it's right to bring an unruly child to the edge of town and stone him? Man wrote god's word exactly, as you claim.
[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.Anamosa41
You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?
God's Word is exactly that but written by the hand of man.
if god is all powerful couldn't he write it quicker and more copies of it faster than man? So why get man to do it?
[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.markop2003
You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?
God's Word is exactly that but written by the hand of man.
if god is all powerful couldn't he write it quicker and more copies of it faster than man? So why get man to do it?
To make his word confusing, so that centuries of debate would follow henceforth.
[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.markop2003
You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?
God's Word is exactly that but written by the hand of man.
if god is all powerful couldn't he write it quicker and more copies of it faster than man? So why get man to do it?
And wouldn't there only be one such book and not thousands of different religions?
[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.C_Town_Soul
You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?
God's Word is exactly that but written by the hand of man.
if god is all powerful couldn't he write it quicker and more copies of it faster than man? So why get man to do it?
And wouldn't there only be one such book and not thousands of different religions?
no no no...
chistians are right and thats the end of it and everyone else is wrong! :roll:
[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.C_Town_Soul
You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?
God's Word is exactly that but written by the hand of man.so it's right to bring an unruly child to the edge of town and stone him? Man wrote god's word exactly, as you claim.
Just a few days ago I opened the bible to a random page. Apparently we are supposed to shun those with any sort of injury, disability, or aesthetic blemish.
[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.Tylendal
You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?
God's Word is exactly that but written by the hand of man.so it's right to bring an unruly child to the edge of town and stone him? Man wrote god's word exactly, as you claim.
Just a few days ago I opened the bible to a random page. Apparently we are supposed to shun those with any sort of injury, disability, or aesthetic blemish.
which is kinda funny because people like to claim how omnibenevolent god is...:roll:
but i dont understand what you mean that it doesnt work with quantum mechanics
VendettaRed07
It has something to do with the law of conservation of energy and the laws of thermodynamics. I don't think either of us have the understanding in order to use either of them to claim anything like you did.
And from what I hear, the law of conservation of energy and thermodynamics don't "work" in quantum mechanics... which already very few people understand.
There is no way to use science to prove God's existence, no matter how hard you try or how well you quote mine.
[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]im pretty sure it was the first
but i dont understand what you mean that it doesnt work with quantum mechanics
foxhound_fox
It has something to do with the law of conservation of energy and the laws of thermodynamics. I don't think either of us have the understanding in order to use either of them to claim anything like you did.
And from what I hear, the law of conservation of energy and thermodynamics don't "work" in quantum mechanics... which already very few people understand.
There is no way to use science to prove God's existence, no matter how hard you try or how well you quote mine.
i wasnt trying to prove anything, just disprove what tc said, and my understanding of energy according to that law was that it always exsisted, engery is always being transfered from somewhere else, so if energy always exsisted according to this law basically, why cant god then? im not saying its def. just that something doesnt need to have an exact begining like the tc was saying,
i wasnt trying to prove anything, just disprove what tc said, and my understanding of energy according to that law was that it always exsisted, engery is always being transfered from somewhere else, so if energy always exsisted according to this law basically, why cant god then? im not saying its def. just that something doesnt need to have an exact begining like the tc was saying,VendettaRed07
From what little I understand of quantum mechanics, the math associated with black holes and the Big Bang, is that energy can be created and destroyed. But I know so very little.
[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.markop2003
You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?
God's Word is exactly that but written by the hand of man.
if god is all powerful couldn't he write it quicker and more copies of it faster than man? So why get man to do it?
If God did that He would have to show Himself before the appointed time. He wants us to do things like this ourselves too. It's not that He's lazy. Also we don't have a hard time doing these things. Almost the whole world has heard the name "Jesus" now.
About the children being stoned, these kids must be the worst of the worst for God to have even said that. The Bible even talks about kids being sacrificed. But do you know that the Bible has to say about it? The Bible calls that "detestable". So for God to have said that and then talk about stoning children there must be a very VERY good reason.
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