theory why god can't exist

[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.Anamosa41

You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?

if god is all powerful couldn't he write it quicker and more copies of it faster than man? So why get man to do it?

About the children being stoned, these kids must be the worst of the worst for God to have even said that. The Bible even talks about kids being sacrificed. But do you know that the Bible has to say about it? The Bible calls that "detestable". So for God to have said that and then talk about stoning children there must be a very VERY good reason.

And how long did it take christianity to spread? Surely he could have sped them up if he made them himselves. I'm sure if god is all powerful he can pause time so that he can delivour the books

[QUOTE="Sailor_Razor"]

A human, likely a prophet, was told a story of truth by God, which he wrote down. This story is known as the Holy Bible.

That is the probable story of the Bible. End of story.

C_Town_Soul

Yeah, I really didn't think that through.

[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.Anamosa41

You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?

if god is all powerful couldn't he write it quicker and more copies of it faster than man? So why get man to do it?

About the children being stoned, these kids must be the worst of the worst for God to have even said that. The Bible even talks about kids being sacrificed. But do you know that the Bible has to say about it? The Bible calls that "detestable". So for God to have said that and then talk about stoning children there must be a very VERY good reason.

About the children being stoned, these kids must be the worst of the worst for God to have even said that. The Bible even talks about kids being sacrificed. But do you know that the Bible has to say about it? The Bible calls that "detestable". So for God to have said that and then talk about stoning children there must be a very VERY good reason.Anamosa41

christians say god has "always been"Alacoque72

but if he existed an infinite amount of time backwards he would've created us an infinite amount of time ago too.Alacoque72

but we havn't "always been" so god couldn't be infinite.Alacoque72

its possible that he exists he just cant have always been. this theory also says something can't exist without a beginning. i came up with this myself.Alacoque72

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.St_JimmyX

You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?

if god is all powerful couldn't he write it quicker and more copies of it faster than man? So why get man to do it?

About the children being stoned, these kids must be the worst of the worst for God to have even said that. The Bible even talks about kids being sacrificed. But do you know that the Bible has to say about it? The Bible calls that "detestable". So for God to have said that and then talk about stoning children there must be a very VERY good reason.

Lol I find it hilarious how most of you athiest have read the bible more than christians to exploit those nonsensical parts. Penguin_dragon

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]About the children being stoned, these kids must be the worst of the worst for God to have even said that. The Bible even talks about kids being sacrificed. But do you know that the Bible has to say about it? The Bible calls that "detestable". So for God to have said that and then talk about stoning children there must be a very VERY good reason.foxhound_fox

like I said before, God does not control our lives

I know exactly why God doesn't exist. For a fact. No doubts.

Have any of you heard of..."What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?"

I am that immovable object...God is that force. I simply don't allow for his existence with pure willpower.

like I said before, God does not control our livesSt_JimmyX

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]i wasnt trying to prove anything, just disprove what tc said, and my understanding of energy according to that law was that it always exsisted, engery is always being transfered from somewhere else, so if energy always exsisted according to this law basically, why cant god then? im not saying its def. just that something doesnt need to have an exact begining like the tc was saying,foxhound_fox

well thats completely up to debate. Black holes though, its not proven but the most popular theory on black holes which i believe, is that the energy and information that is sent in to the black hole is not destroyed, its just that the pressure from the star that used to exsist there is so immense that it ionizes all information and the pressure doesnt allow anything inside it, so its all spread out to the event horizon of the black whole, because there is always a ring that circles around black holes, and it explains why its there, and where the information has gone

now for the big bang theory. The other belief is that our dimension was created from a seperate multiverse, where some sort of event happened and transfered all of its information to our dimension. I know it sounds insane but it makes sence, and also the other explanation is that god created the big bang lol, because i mean it didnt just come from no where, thats impossible and its just scientific heracy.

No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.Anamosa41

God created time? never really thought about that

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]About the children being stoned, these kids must be the worst of the worst for God to have even said that. The Bible even talks about kids being sacrificed. But do you know that the Bible has to say about it? The Bible calls that "detestable". So for God to have said that and then talk about stoning children there must be a very VERY good reason.foxhound_fox

well thats completely up to debate. Black holes though, its not proven but the most popular theory on black holes which i believe, is that the energy and information that is sent in to the black hole is not destroyed, its just that the pressure from the star that used to exsist there is so immense that it ionizes all information and the pressure doesnt allow anything inside it, so its all spread out to the event horizon of the black whole, because there is always a ring that circles around black holes, and it explains why its there, and where the information has gone

now for the big bang theory. The other belief is that our dimension was created from a seperate multiverse, where some sort of event happened and transfered all of its information to our dimension. I know it sounds insane but it makes sence, and also the other explanation is that god created the big bang lol, because i mean it didnt just come from no where, thats impossible and its just scientific heracy.

VendettaRed07

[QUOTE="St_JimmyX"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.C_Town_Soul

You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?

if god is all powerful couldn't he write it quicker and more copies of it faster than man? So why get man to do it?

About the children being stoned, these kids must be the worst of the worst for God to have even said that. The Bible even talks about kids being sacrificed. But do you know that the Bible has to say about it? The Bible calls that "detestable". So for God to have said that and then talk about stoning children there must be a very VERY good reason.

Judgement is not murder. God was talking about murder, not killing in self-defense, judgement, or an accidental killing.Anamosa41

Can God microwave a burrito so hot, that even he cant touch it? - Peter Griffin lucas_kelly

christians say god has "always been" but if he existed an infinite amount of time backwards he would've created us an infinite amount of time ago too. but we havn't "always been" so god couldn't be infinite. its possible that he exists he just cant have always been. this theory also says something can't exist without a beginning. i came up with this myself.Alacoque72

The argument that we haven't always been proving that God hasn't always been doesn't make sense. If you read the Bible, God created man eventually...and woman soon afterward. Just because we haven't always been doesn't mean a thing.

That very point was pointed out in a bunch of Youtube videos. There's this well known Creationist on the site that puts up videos, and I believe he calls himself "VenomSnakeX" or something. All of his videos have gotten views in the hundreds of thousands...Anyway in one of his first videos he said how matter exists, and everything "must have a beginning", then saying "because nothing can exist having not existed before"...The thing is he blatantly contradicted himself because he's implying god always existed, and therefore could have created everything...Then the question is "When did god start?". That's where creationists have no answer....camreeno360

[QUOTE="Godly_Cure"]

Uh your theory makes no sense.

Alacoque72

did i not explain it good enouf

No, you didn't

why is that you must seek this path?...what will you gain if god is or is not? do not seek the answer for it will further cause turmoil-let it be and let live...Angakua

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]well thats completely up to debate. Black holes though, its not proven but the most popular theory on black holes which i believe, is that the energy and information that is sent in to the black hole is not destroyed, its just that the pressure from the star that used to exsist there is so immense that it ionizes all information and the pressure doesnt allow anything inside it, so its all spread out to the event horizon of the black whole, because there is always a ring that circles around black holes, and it explains why its there, and where the information has gone

now for the big bang theory. The other belief is that our dimension was created from a seperate multiverse, where some sort of event happened and transfered all of its information to our dimension. I know it sounds insane but it makes sence, and also the other explanation is that god created the big bang lol, because i mean it didnt just come from no where, thats impossible and its just scientific heracy.

foxhound_fox

i know its nothing even close to certain, but they are the most sound theories out there, and they best fit the laws of science today

basically god does best fit all the missing parts of the puzzle though i think, but that doesnt confirm anything... one of my favorite sayings from the roman times was

"god is the unmovable mover"

which says something had to have created all of this, weither or it was the god as we know him or not

I know exactly why God doesn't exist. For a fact. No doubts.

Have any of you heard of..."What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?"

I am that immovable object...God is that force. I simply don't allow for his existence with pure willpower.

a55assin

That's just stupid - God is not Hulk Hogan, you are not Andre The Giant.

god does not exist INSIDE of time you know;)fanofazrienoch

You're assuming that He thinks the same way as you do... why would He have had to create us an infite time ago? The way you put it, it's implying He couldn't have existed without usRPG10080

Cease this mumbo jumbo at once.esb1118

The mumbo jumbo train haven't any brakes. This is OT.

[QUOTE="esb1118"]Cease this mumbo jumbo at once.Blood-Scribe

The mumbo jumbo train haven't any brakes. This is OT.

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="esb1118"]Cease this mumbo jumbo at once.esb1118

The mumbo jumbo train haven't any brakes. This is OT.

It doesn't need tracks. It can fly. It has eleventy million balloons attached to it.

why is that you must seek this path?...what will you gain if god is or is not? do not seek the answer for it will further cause turmoil-let it be and let live...Angakua

because in a quest for knowledge it is not only important to know why things happen but why then dont happen. even if god doesnt exist we still need to know why. if he does. we need to know why.

FIRST LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS aka, the law of the conservation of energy

#1 ENERGY CANNOT BE CREATED NOR DESTROYED...

so even according to scienctific law, energy has ALWAYS exsisted.. if energy has always exsist, then why cant god?

VendettaRed07

its not really a question of why cant he. its more of why CAN he.

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

FIRST LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS aka, the law of the conservation of energy

#1 ENERGY CANNOT BE CREATED NOR DESTROYED...

so even according to scienctific law, energy has ALWAYS exsisted.. if energy has always exsist, then why cant god?

foxhound_fox

nope. second law in basic states that entropy must increase in the same direction as the arrow of time. entropy being dissorder

Where in any holy text does it say that god exists outside of time?Or our universe for that matter.xxDustmanxx

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]Where in any holy text does it say that god exists outside of time?Or our universe for that matter.C_Town_Soul

I have no idea.I'm pretty sure that whoever wrote the bible or any other "holy" text intended for their deity to exist in or beyond the sky.But we've seen farther than that and there is absolutely no deity to be found.Claiming that such a being exists outside of this world is an intellectual cop-out and outright speculation.How can a supreme being in another dimension affect our own?Such a being isn't necessary in the development of our universe as evidence already suggests.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]i wasnt trying to prove anything, just disprove what tc said, and my understanding of energy according to that law was that it always exsisted, engery is always being transfered from somewhere else, so if energy always exsisted according to this law basically, why cant god then? im not saying its def. just that something doesnt need to have an exact begining like the tc was saying,VendettaRed07

well thats completely up to debate. Black holes though, its not proven but the most popular theory on black holes which i believe, is that the energy and information that is sent in to the black hole is not destroyed, its just that the pressure from the star that used to exsist there is so immense that it ionizes all information and the pressure doesnt allow anything inside it, so its all spread out to the event horizon of the black whole, because there is always a ring that circles around black holes, and it explains why its there, and where the information has gone

now for the big bang theory. The other belief is that our dimension was created from a seperate multiverse, where some sort of event happened and transfered all of its information to our dimension. I know it sounds insane but it makes sence, and also the other explanation is that god created the big bang lol, because i mean it didnt just come from no where, thats impossible and its just scientific heracy.

just correcting a bit. we cannont observe the event horizon. the edge of a black whole. we can only oserve the effect it has. on surrounding matter. and even if it did store the information we would have no way of retreiving it. current theory says that all information is lost at the point of singularity. but the black hole never exists forever. at the poles of a black hole it lets out bits of matter(correction may be needed here im not sure exactly what it releases). but i know it decays. this must happen due to the second law of thermal dynamics. and the black hole will continue to radiate untill it "evaporates" entirely so in that sense the information is also lost

well than tell me how did we get here?FingerSub

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]i wasnt trying to prove anything, just disprove what tc said, and my understanding of energy according to that law was that it always exsisted, engery is always being transfered from somewhere else, so if energy always exsisted according to this law basically, why cant god then? im not saying its def. just that something doesnt need to have an exact begining like the tc was saying,blackacidevil96

well thats completely up to debate. Black holes though, its not proven but the most popular theory on black holes which i believe, is that the energy and information that is sent in to the black hole is not destroyed, its just that the pressure from the star that used to exsist there is so immense that it ionizes all information and the pressure doesnt allow anything inside it, so its all spread out to the event horizon of the black whole, because there is always a ring that circles around black holes, and it explains why its there, and where the information has gone

now for the big bang theory. The other belief is that our dimension was created from a seperate multiverse, where some sort of event happened and transfered all of its information to our dimension. I know it sounds insane but it makes sence, and also the other explanation is that god created the big bang lol, because i mean it didnt just come from no where, thats impossible and its just scientific heracy.

just correcting a bit. we cannont observe the event horizon. the edge of a black whole. we can only oserve the effect it has. on surrounding matter. and even if it did store the information we would have no way of retreiving it. current theory says that all information is lost at the point of singularity. but the black hole never exists forever. at the poles of a black hole it lets out bits of matter(correction may be needed here im not sure exactly what it releases). but i know it decays. this must happen due to the second law of thermal dynamics. and the black hole will continue to radiate untill it "evaporates" entirely so in that sense the information is also lost

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"]No human being can understand this part of God. It is impossible. God HAS always been because He said so in the Bible. If you want to know where in the Bible, just ask. God created all things, so that means God created time. There was no such thing as "time" before the seven days of creation. Since this is true it is possible for God have always been.Tylendal

You realize that the Bible was written by men, right?

Just a few days ago I opened the bible to a random page. Apparently we are supposed to shun those with any sort of injury, disability, or aesthetic blemish.

Sounds like eugenics.....

[QUOTE="lucas_kelly"]Can God microwave a burrito so hot, that even he cant touch it? - Peter Griffin foxhound_fox

Here's the thing. God is supposedly above anything we mortals can comprehend. His reasons are beyond our understanding. So, saying he should have made un an infinite time ago does not really apply.Verge_6

I hate this notion that says we're to stupid to comprehend God. Standard Christian cop out. If we can't comprehend him, why should we believe in him? All other life forms don't believe in him, why should humans?

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Here's the thing. God is supposedly above anything we mortals can comprehend. His reasons are beyond our understanding. So, saying he should have made un an infinite time ago does not really apply.Devil-Itachi

I hate this notion that says we're to stupid to comprehend God. Standard Christian cop out. If we can't comprehend him, why should we believe in him? All other life forms don't believe in him, why should humans?

hey, christianityand all religions for that matter) are full of cop-outs

eg-God exists outside of time

There is nothing wrong with believing in evolution

There is nothing wrong with believing in aliens.

Those are three claims the Vatican made even though they directly contradict the bible.

wow... i am really astonished by the level of ignorance in this thread....i believe there IS a logical explanation..god simply does not exist..there is no perfect being, perfection means no more needs, no more search for an absolute reality and no more desire. god then could not desire to create us..now.. what if god created us?? for what do i want to strive on these philosophical questions? why do i have to suffer from not knowing anything? why do i have to observe how im getting old and loosing everything i once had? why? well my friends, if you believe in cristianism well i might say that it is a great normative system created for war empires. (seeing as constantine the roman emperor made cristianism the official and only religion after having persecuted them for a long time cause of their rituals,...why?cause he had a dream where all of his soldiers where carrying shields with a cross painted in them while fighting the war and winning...just a historical point...anyways any religion claims to be real, any religion claims to have their only gods, any religion claims to feel them from thin air. why cant you guys observe something as simple as that?why cant you guys accept other reality appart from the one you think is the nicest? we are rational animals. no soul ,no eternal life. only this plane of existence, enjoy it. you dont wanna be eternal. true rest means no more needs, no more questions, no more conciusness.....there is no afterlife after dead.

btw my english is not very good..ty.

if your god existed i would be its greatest enemy..i would defy his methods...everyone deserves everything.. otherwise existence is unfair.

[QUOTE="Devil-Itachi"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Here's the thing. God is supposedly above anything we mortals can comprehend. His reasons are beyond our understanding. So, saying he should have made un an infinite time ago does not really apply.atejas

I hate this notion that says we're to stupid to comprehend God. Standard Christian cop out. If we can't comprehend him, why should we believe in him? All other life forms don't believe in him, why should humans?

hey, christianityand all religions for that matter) are full of cop-outs

eg-God exists outside of time

There is nothing wrong with believing in evolution

There is nothing wrong with believing in aliens.

Those are three claims the Vatican made even though they directly contradict the bible.