theory why god can't exist

wow... i am really astonished by the level of ignorance in this thread....i believe there IS a logical explanation..god simply does not exist..there is no perfect being, perfection means no more needs, no more search for an absolute reality and no more desire. god then could not desire to create us..now.. what if god created us?? for what do i want to strive on these philosophical questions? why do i have to suffer from not knowing anything? why do i have to observe how im getting old and loosing everything i once had? why? well my friends, if you believe in cristianism well i might say that it is a great normative system created for war empires. (seeing as constantine the roman emperor made cristianism the official and only religion after having persecuted them for a long time cause of their rituals,...why?cause he had a dream where all of his soldiers where carrying shields with a cross painted in them while fighting the war and winning...just a historical point...anyways any religion claims to be real, any religion claims to have their only gods, any religion claims to feel them from thin air. why cant you guys observe something as simple as that?why cant you guys accept other reality appart from the one you think is the nicest? we are rational animals. no soul ,no eternal life. only this plane of existence, enjoy it. you dont wanna be eternal. true rest means no more needs, no more questions, no more conciusness.....there is no afterlife after dead.

btw my english is not very good..ty.

if your god existed i would be its greatest enemy..i would defy his methods...everyone deserves everything.. otherwise existence is unfair.

MORBID98

God isn't a living entity. He exists within your mind and soul.

Would you trade your soul for gold?

God isn't a living entity. He exists within your mind and soul.

Would you trade your soul for gold?

kingman03

[QUOTE="kingman03"]

God isn't a living entity. He exists within your mind and soul.

Would you trade your soul for gold?

MORBID98

Quoted for truth

[QUOTE="MORBID98"][QUOTE="kingman03"]

God isn't a living entity. He exists within your mind and soul.

Would you trade your soul for gold?

atejas

Quoted for truth

So you think there is no hell. Way to go, you would trade your soul for gold and risk the chance of spending eternity in hell. Great Job!

[QUOTE="atejas"][QUOTE="MORBID98"][QUOTE="kingman03"]

God isn't a living entity. He exists within your mind and soul.

Would you trade your soul for gold?

kingman03

Quoted for truth

So you think there is no hell. Way to go, you would trade your soul for gold and risk the chance of spending eternity in hell. Great Job!

Trading gold for something that dosn't exist sounds like a good deal

[QUOTE="atejas"][QUOTE="MORBID98"][QUOTE="kingman03"]

God isn't a living entity. He exists within your mind and soul.

Would you trade your soul for gold?

kingman03

Quoted for truth

So you think there is no hell. Way to go, you would trade your soul for gold and risk the chance of spending eternity in hell. Great Job!

And you do good deeds on the chance that you will go to heaven. Pascal's Wager, my friend.

And I'm willing to sell my soul because it does'nt exist. There is no proof towards it.

[QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]god does not exist INSIDE of time you know;)C_Town_Soul

that's not an argument for the existence of God. you cannot say "I've disproved this one concept of God, therefore your own concept of God is also disproved until you provide evidence to prove your concept of God"

[QUOTE="MORBID98"]

wow... i am really astonished by the level of ignorance in this thread....i believe there IS a logical explanation..god simply does not exist..there is no perfect being, perfection means no more needs, no more search for an absolute reality and no more desire. god then could not desire to create us..now.. what if god created us?? for what do i want to strive on these philosophical questions? why do i have to suffer from not knowing anything? why do i have to observe how im getting old and loosing everything i once had? why? well my friends, if you believe in cristianism well i might say that it is a great normative system created for war empires. (seeing as constantine the roman emperor made cristianism the official and only religion after having persecuted them for a long time cause of their rituals,...why?cause he had a dream where all of his soldiers where carrying shields with a cross painted in them while fighting the war and winning...just a historical point...anyways any religion claims to be real, any religion claims to have their only gods, any religion claims to feel them from thin air. why cant you guys observe something as simple as that?why cant you guys accept other reality appart from the one you think is the nicest? we are rational animals. no soul ,no eternal life. only this plane of existence, enjoy it. you dont wanna be eternal. true rest means no more needs, no more questions, no more conciusness.....there is no afterlife after dead.

btw my english is not very good..ty.

if your god existed i would be its greatest enemy..i would defy his methods...everyone deserves everything.. otherwise existence is unfair.

MORBID98

You people should stop using the words "prove" and "disprove" in this thread completely. The same with "truth" and "lies".

When God is in question, all rational process of thought must be thrown out the window. It's not science, it's a belief. There is no such thing as a: God>Evidence>Proved/Disproved. No evidence pointing in either direction. All you're going to do is fight amongst each other until you simply agree to disagree. It always ends like that...no matter the thread's title; a religious topic will always end with people sticking to their own beliefs.

Also, stop quoting "holy books", they are works of historic fiction...

It's a pretty flawed argument to be certain. One could say because god existed for an infinite amount of time does not mean he chose to create us within an infinite amount of time. Since they say god can do whatever he wants he could create us at any moment he wanted too or any moment he wanted to create within his infinite amount of time. So there goes your but we haven't always been argument.

As far as something that can't exist without a beginning you can apply that to science even without god. How did anything ever start from nothing because certainly following logic it would have to. Who created the egg... the seed for everything that is now. Where did it come from certainly it couldn't just exist from nothing. This is a question that has nothing to do with god even. I'm sure you've heard of what came first the chicken or the egg... Even that simplifies this. There is at this point no real answer to explain how anything exists at all. Sure.. the big bang theory all that, but what created that? How could it just exist.

I have no definite stand point on the issue. Humans don't have the knowledge to know. It's that simple. There is no conclusion that can be reached with our limited grasp of information. Not to mention the manipulation of information by cultures and people over time. Only a few of us really know anything, and the rest of us can't comprehend what they are talking about.

I understand this not!

Uh your theory makes no sense.

Godly_Cure

agreed i dont know what he was going on about. god will do things whenever he wants

Lol I find it hilarious how most of you athiest have read the bible more than christians to exploit those nonsensical parts. Penguin_dragon

Nah. I tried reading it once, and actually fell asleep. Too much geneology. I mostly get my quotes from reading "Off Topic". :lol:

You people should stop using the words "prove" and "disprove" in this thread completely. The same with "truth" and "lies".

When God is in question, all rational process of thought must be thrown out the window. It's not science, it's a belief. There is no such thing as a: God>Evidence>Proved/Disproved. No evidence pointing in either direction. All you're going to do is fight amongst each other until you simply agree to disagree. It always ends like that...no matter the thread's title; a religious topic will always end with people sticking to their own beliefs.

Also, stop quoting "holy books", they are works of historic fiction...

a55assin

Russel's Teapot shows that even a complete lack of evidance is not proof of non-existance, it doesn't mean that the theory isn't completely silly.

You people should stop using the words "prove" and "disprove" in this thread completely. The same with "truth" and "lies".

When God is in question, all rational process of thought must be thrown out the window. It's not science, it's a belief. There is no such thing as a: God>Evidence>Proved/Disproved. No evidence pointing in either direction. All you're going to do is fight amongst each other until you simply agree to disagree. It always ends like that...no matter the thread's title; a religious topic will always end with people sticking to their own beliefs.

Also, stop quoting "holy books", they are works of historic fiction...

a55assin

Quoted for ****ing truth.

Until humanity better understands the nature of quantum mechanics, which pretty much ****s up everything we though we knew about science, it wouldbe impossible to prove or disprove god.

Faith is not an argument. Conviction is not proof. Intangible evidence is no evidence.

You people should stop using the words "prove" and "disprove" in this thread completely. The same with "truth" and "lies".

When God is in question, all rational process of thought must be thrown out the window. It's not science, it's a belief. There is no such thing as a: God>Evidence>Proved/Disproved. No evidence pointing in either direction. All you're going to do is fight amongst each other until you simply agree to disagree. It always ends like that...no matter the thread's title; a religious topic will always end with people sticking to their own beliefs.

Also, stop quoting "holy books", they are works of historic fiction...

a55assin

Russell's Teapot

If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.

The reason organized religion merits outright hostility is that, unlike belief in Russell's teapot, religion is powerful, influential, tax-exempt and systematically passed on to children too young to defend themselves. Children are not compelled to spend their formative years memorizing loony books about teapots. Government-subsidized schools don't exclude children whose parents prefer the wrong shape of teapot. Teapot-believers don't stone teapot-unbelievers, teapot-apostates, teapot-heretics and teapot-blasphemers to death. Mothers don't warn their sons off marrying teapot-shiksas whose parents believe in three teapots rather than one. People who put the milk in first don't kneecap those who put the tea in first.

[QUOTE="a55assin"]

You people should stop using the words "prove" and "disprove" in this thread completely. The same with "truth" and "lies".

When God is in question, all rational process of thought must be thrown out the window. It's not science, it's a belief. There is no such thing as a: God>Evidence>Proved/Disproved. No evidence pointing in either direction. All you're going to do is fight amongst each other until you simply agree to disagree. It always ends like that...no matter the thread's title; a religious topic will always end with people sticking to their own beliefs.

Also, stop quoting "holy books", they are works of historic fiction...

fanofazrienoch

Your point being totally unrelated to this thread. The Bible was written MANY years after Jesus had died. It is an interpretation of his life, a work of fiction. The life of Jesus Christ has nothing to do with anything this topic is about. His life cannot prove or disprove anything.

The fact that there are historical facts in the holy books mean nothing. The existence or non-existence of God cannot be supported by any historical event. Therefore those history facts have no weight as to the question of God's very existence. Just because a really long and confusing book in a very nice leather cover says that Jesus performed miracles...doesn't mean he had. Or that he hadn't. NO WAY to know!

[QUOTE="Godly_Cure"]

Uh your theory makes no sense.

Alacoque72

did i not explain it good enouf

No, you did not explain it good enouf.

You should write a book...seriously.

Your theory is so advanced...

I don't get it. If god has been around forever, that doesn't mean we have too. Just because we haven't "always been" doesn't mean God is confined to the same laws as us. Maybe if you elaborate a little...

[QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

You people should stop using the words "prove" and "disprove" in this thread completely. The same with "truth" and "lies".

When God is in question, all rational process of thought must be thrown out the window. It's not science, it's a belief. There is no such thing as a: God>Evidence>Proved/Disproved. No evidence pointing in either direction. All you're going to do is fight amongst each other until you simply agree to disagree. It always ends like that...no matter the thread's title; a religious topic will always end with people sticking to their own beliefs.

Also, stop quoting "holy books", they are works of historic fiction...

a55assin

Your point being totally unrelated to this thread. The Bible was written MANY years after Jesus had died. It is an interpretation of his life, a work of fiction. The life of Jesus Christ has nothing to do with anything this topic is about. His life cannot prove or disprove anything.

The fact that there are historical facts in the holy books mean nothing. The existence or non-existence of God cannot be supported by any historical event. Therefore those history facts have no weight as to the question of God's very existence. Just because a really long and confusing book in a very nice leather cover says that Jesus performed miracles...doesn't mean he had. Or that he hadn't. NO WAY to know!

you seem to be really convinced that the Scriptures are fake. You also are acting like you know everything, and everybody else here is an idiot. That is why I don't agree with you.

christians say god has "always been" but if he existed an infinite amount of time backwards he would've created us an infinite amount of time ago too. but we havn't "always been" so god couldn't be infinite. its possible that he exists he just cant have always been. this theory also says something can't exist without a beginning. i came up with this myself.Alacoque72

why would He have to have created us an infinite time ago?... God is outside of time. He created time, planets, stars, matter, the works.

You really must try concentrating on the reading a bit more. Nowhere in that post had I mentioned that anything was false. I said that anything with the inability of being proven can be either fact or false. We just can't know. Some historical events are true, while some others aren't. That is what I said, and I just can't seem to find any faults in my logic.

I have not taken a side on this thread, I just wished to point some things out. One of the things is the fact that the Bible's accuracy with recorded history has nothing to do with anything affiliated with God's existence. God is invisible, or doesn't exist. Please...tel me again what's wrong?

[QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

You people should stop using the words "prove" and "disprove" in this thread completely. The same with "truth" and "lies".

When God is in question, all rational process of thought must be thrown out the window. It's not science, it's a belief. There is no such thing as a: God>Evidence>Proved/Disproved. No evidence pointing in either direction. All you're going to do is fight amongst each other until you simply agree to disagree. It always ends like that...no matter the thread's title; a religious topic will always end with people sticking to their own beliefs.

Also, stop quoting "holy books", they are works of historic fiction...

a55assin

Your point being totally unrelated to this thread. The Bible was written MANY years after Jesus had died. It is an interpretation of his life, a work of fiction. The life of Jesus Christ has nothing to do with anything this topic is about. His life cannot prove or disprove anything.

The fact that there are historical facts in the holy books mean nothing. The existence or non-existence of God cannot be supported by any historical event. Therefore those history facts have no weight as to the question of God's very existence. Just because a really long and confusing book in a very nice leather cover says that Jesus performed miracles...doesn't mean he had. Or that he hadn't. NO WAY to know!

2: The bible was not written many years after Jesus died. Mark's gospel, the first Gospel, was written in the mid to late 40s AD.

3: The Gospels are not works of fiction. all the authors save John were martyred for their faith. there is every indication that the writers of these books based them on either eye-witness testimony or extremely early tradition.

4: The existence of God can be supported by history because the resurrection of Jesus has numerous pieces of historical evidence to back up its veracity.

You really must try concentrating on the reading a bit more. Nowhere in that post had I mentioned that anything was false. I said that anything with the inability of being proven can be either fact or false. We just can't know. Some historical events are true, while some others aren't. That is what I said, and I just can't seem to find any faults in my logic.

I have not taken a side on this thread, I just wished to point some things out. One of the things is the fact that the Bible's accuracy with recorded history has nothing to do with anything affiliated with God's existence. God is invisible, or doesn't exist. Please...tel me again what's wrong?

a55assin

[QUOTE="a55assin"]

You really must try concentrating on the reading a bit more. Nowhere in that post had I mentioned that anything was false.I said that anything with the inability of being proven can be either fact or false. We just can't know. Some historical events are true, while some others aren't. That is what I said, and I just can't seem to find any faults in my logic.

I have not taken a side on this thread, I just wished to point some things out. One of the things is the fact that the Bible's accuracy with recorded history has nothing to do with anything affiliated with God's existence. God is invisible, or doesn't exist. Please...tel me again what's wrong?

fanofazrienoch

This is funny. Kinda...

The Bible states that Jesus performed miracles - not that people assumed he did - but that he actually did. This alone disqualifies the Bible as a pure historical book of facts. (The same can be said about any other Holy Book)

I never said that history was recorded incorrectly, the Bible had done an excellent job. The historians writing it were telling history, the faithful were writing about Jesus and his ways. Right now, we do NOT know if Jesus did the things he's said to have done...nor Moses, nor anything not proven.

Are you hearing me here? I continue saying that we cannot prove or disprove some of the things stated in the Bible. I am not saying they are false, only that we cannot know either way. I'm of course not referring to actual history with evidence for back-up; just the events which cannot be proven true.

I could write a book filled with actual proven facts and associate it all with my own very made up religion. They did the same thing. Like I said, just because someone wrote it in the Bible doesn't mean it's true. Or false. We simply cannot be sure; except for what we know has really happened. Not what we've been told.

[QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

You people should stop using the words "prove" and "disprove" in this thread completely. The same with "truth" and "lies".

When God is in question, all rational process of thought must be thrown out the window. It's not science, it's a belief. There is no such thing as a: God>Evidence>Proved/Disproved. No evidence pointing in either direction. All you're going to do is fight amongst each other until you simply agree to disagree. It always ends like that...no matter the thread's title; a religious topic will always end with people sticking to their own beliefs.

Also, stop quoting "holy books", they are works of historic fiction...

fanofazrienoch

Your point being totally unrelated to this thread. The Bible was written MANY years after Jesus had died. It is an interpretation of his life, a work of fiction. The life of Jesus Christ has nothing to do with anything this topic is about. His life cannot prove or disprove anything.

The fact that there are historical facts in the holy books mean nothing. The existence or non-existence of God cannot be supported by any historical event. Therefore those history facts have no weight as to the question of God's very existence. Just because a really long and confusing book in a very nice leather cover says that Jesus performed miracles...doesn't mean he had. Or that he hadn't. NO WAY to know!

2: The bible was not written many years after Jesus died. Mark's gospel, the first Gospel, was written in the mid to late 40s AD.

3: The Gospels are not works of fiction. all the authors save John were martyred for their faith. there is every indication that the writers of these books based them on either eye-witness testimony or extremely early tradition.

4: The existence of God can be supported by history because the resurrection of Jesus has numerous pieces of historical evidence to back up its veracity.

In 40 AD Mark's Gospel was not written. It was written from 65-75 AD. I don't know where you got the idea for 40 AD.

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="fanofazrienoch"]god does not exist INSIDE of time you know;)fanofazrienoch

that's not an argument for the existence of God. you cannot say "I've disproved this one concept of God, therefore your own concept of God is also disproved until you provide evidence to prove your concept of God"

christians say god has "always been" but if he existed an infinite amount of time backwards he would've created us an infinite amount of time ago too. but we havn't "always been" so god couldn't be infinite. its possible that he exists he just cant have always been. this theory also says something can't exist without a beginning. i came up with this myself.Alacoque72

Riiightt.... just where is the logic in that???? God has existed since ever, but that doesn't mean he would create us inmidieatly after starting to exist himself.... if anybody understood what i just said please explain me,i didn't

christians say god has "always been" but if he existed an infinite amount of time backwards he would've created us an infinite amount of time ago too. but we havn't "always been" so god couldn't be infinite. its possible that he exists he just cant have always been. this theory also says something can't exist without a beginning. i came up with this myself.Alacoque72

First off I'm not Christain but even still you make no sense God made us when he felt like it. It doesn't matter if he didn't make us for however long that doesn't disprove anything.

I respect others with different beliefs, but for myself I have all the info I need on God. I believe because I wouldn't be the man I am today without him. I would still be a drunk and a pot head without him. ;) xSIZEMATTER

[QUOTE="MORBID98"][QUOTE="MORBID98"]

wow... i am really astonished by the level of ignorance in this thread....i believe there IS a logical explanation..god simply does not exist..there is no perfect being, perfection means no more needs, no more search for an absolute reality and no more desire. god then could not desire to create us..now.. what if god created us?? for what do i want to strive on these philosophical questions? why do i have to suffer from not knowing anything? why do i have to observe how im getting old and loosing everything i once had? why? well my friends, if you believe in cristianism well i might say that it is a great normative system created for war empires. (seeing as constantine the roman emperor made cristianism the official and only religion after having persecuted them for a long time cause of their rituals,...why?cause he had a dream where all of his soldiers where carrying shields with a cross painted in them while fighting the war and winning...just a historical point...anyways any religion claims to be real, any religion claims to have their only gods, any religion claims to feel them from thin air. why cant you guys observe something as simple as that?why cant you guys accept other reality appart from the one you think is the nicest? we are rational animals. no soul ,no eternal life. only this plane of existence, enjoy it. you dont wanna be eternal. true rest means no more needs, no more questions, no more conciusness.....there is no afterlife after dead.

btw my english is not very good..ty.

if your god existed i would be its greatest enemy..i would defy his methods...everyone deserves everything.. otherwise existence is unfair.

fanofazrienoch

christians say god has "always been" but if he existed an infinite amount of time backwards he would've created us an infinite amount of time ago too. but we havn't "always been" so god couldn't be infinite. its possible that he exists he just cant have always been. this theory also says something can't exist without a beginning. i came up with this myself.Alacoque72