There is irrefutable evidence that the christian god doesnt exist!!

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Because if we're unbreakable then how will we die?

To control the populations of their prey. There is an ecological system in place: predators eat prey; less predators, prey overpopulates, eats too many plants and harms the ecosystem.

You're still using the word "purpose" as though it means anything at all.

That He knows how to design a pretty efficient system, considering how long we've been around.

Gambler_3

Your PC is an object; living people can't be "turned off."Thanks for avoiding the question; glad to see your superior reasoning skills in action. :lol:

2. They dont have to be so brutal to do that sorry.

Animals don't have a concept of brutal. They don't know what "brutal" is. The very term "brutal" is a human term with human meaning and human purpose. And sometimes, yes, animals do need to be brutal or they will die.

3. And?

Using meaningless words does not a point make.

4. Sure humans are designed well but it's definitely not the work of someone who is all-wise with perfect knowledge. Look at your monthly cosmetic and medical bill, may show you how well designed you really are...

So because I'm not designed perfectly (what is perfect?), God therefore is stupid? :lol:

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] God can't make a four-sided triangle without changing what the triangle is, eliminating the purpose in the first place. Omnipotence is the ability to do anything logically possible. Could God make a triangular planet? Sure. Could God make a triangular planet with five sides and no corners? No.

Theokhoth

That's what you call logically absurd. It does nothing to tarnish someone's omnipotence. But if god cannot change the laws of nature and create living things in some other way then he is not omnipotent, it is not logically absurd to have a very different world than the one in which we live.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Pain is our bodies' way of telling us something is wrong. Without pain, we would have to walk carefully throughout our lives, constantly checking to make sure we haven't been stabbed. Surprise: suffering has a purpose, and I'm damn glad for it.

FFCYAN

Why not end pain and misery when it has clearly lost it's purpose and only become a torture?

If you look at history then look at the years of black people suffering as slaves, being forced to do gladiator fights, the list of brutality is endless.

Even now there are many people whoz lives are nothing but torture, go to a poor neighbourhood in some third world country some day...

Coming from my Registared Nursing hospital time, I have seen many patients with diabetic peripheral neuropathy. They often get pins or needles stuck in the feet and they can't feel it. Which hten can lead to ulceration without them knowing. Pain and suffering can be beneficial.

Your PC is an object; living people can't be "turned off."Thanks for avoiding the question; glad to see your superior reasoning skills in action. :lol:

Animals don't have a concept of brutal. They don't know what "brutal" is. The very term "brutal" is a human term with human meaning and human purpose. And sometimes, yes, animals do need to be brutal or they will die.

So because I'm not designed perfectly (what is perfect?), God therefore is stupid? :lol:

Theokhoth

So whoever created animals had lost their mind?

Well yes god is either stupid or not omnipotent...

Gambler_3

why are atheists so mad and obsessed with Christianity? They are so badly informed about it they dont even know what they are hating on .

Coming from my Registared Nursing hospital time, I have seen many patients with diabetic peripheral neuropathy. They often get pins or needles stuck in the feet and they can't feel it. Which hten can lead to ulceration without them knowing. Pain and suffering can be beneficial.

Ravirr

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]They would get the same energy if the baffalo died immediately, the suffering has absolutely no purpose and just shows the "fail design" of this universe...

Gambler_3

Why not end pain and misery when it has clearly lost it's purpose and only become a torture? What does it tell about the all powerful designer?

What religio are you?

why are atheists so mad and obsessed with Christianity? They are so badly informed about it they dont even know what they are hating on .

dontshackzmii

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]harashawn

Imperfection in humans is when there are people who have a clear advantage in life over others...

I believe in God because one day i prayed (I never was that religious before) and found a cross on a gold chain lying on the street the same evening. Coincidence? Maybe, but what are the chances?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Your PC is an object; living people can't be "turned off."Thanks for avoiding the question; glad to see your superior reasoning skills in action. :lol:

Animals don't have a concept of brutal. They don't know what "brutal" is. The very term "brutal" is a human term with human meaning and human purpose. And sometimes, yes, animals do need to be brutal or they will die.

So because I'm not designed perfectly (what is perfect?), God therefore is stupid? :lol:

Gambler_3

So whoever created animals had lost their mind?

Well yes god is either stupid or not omnipotent...

Death is the shut-down mechanism?

What does this even mean?

Not at all, He believes in free-will. He gave us the tools to return to Him, but He respects us to not take over our lives.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Pain is our bodies' way of telling us something is wrong. Without pain, we would have to walk carefully throughout our lives, constantly checking to make sure we haven't been stabbed. Surprise: suffering has a purpose, and I'm damn glad for it.

pspdseagle

Why not end pain and misery when it has clearly lost it's purpose and only become a torture? What does it tell about the all powerful designer?

What religio are you?

[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Gambler_3

Imperfection in humans is when there are people who have a clear advantage in life over others...

What religion are you?

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Why even make the body so fragile that it would be capable of so much suffering? Why create such ruthless animals like dogs and hyenas?

Why not end pain and misery when it has clearly lost it's purpose and only become a torture? What does it tell about the all powerful designer?

Gambler_3

What religio are you?

Oh, then why make a topic pin-pointing a certain religion and not all of them?

You seem to have looked over the "free will" that God gave humans....he doesn't intervene in human affairs (generally speaking) because he gave us the choice to either do the right thing or the wrong thing...and live with the consequences of our actions..

I believe in God because one day i prayed (I never was that religious before) and found a cross on a gold chain lying on the street the same evening. Coincidence? Maybe, but what are the chances?

Furzjodler

about the same as randomly droping a 2000 set puzzle on the ground and getting it to fall in all the right sports.

[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Gambler_3

Imperfection in humans is when there are people who have a clear advantage in life over others...

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Your PC is an object; living people can't be "turned off."Thanks for avoiding the question; glad to see your superior reasoning skills in action. :lol:

Animals don't have a concept of brutal. They don't know what "brutal" is. The very term "brutal" is a human term with human meaning and human purpose. And sometimes, yes, animals do need to be brutal or they will die.

So because I'm not designed perfectly (what is perfect?), God therefore is stupid? :lol:

Mousetaches

So whoever created animals had lost their mind?

Well yes god is either stupid or not omnipotent...

Death is the shut-down mechanism?

What does this even mean?

Not at all, He believes in free-will. He gave us the tools to return to Him, but He respects us to not take over our lives.

2. Whoever created living things that dont even know how much suffering they cause was high...

3. You didnt get the point. The human body isnt designed perfectly which shows that god is either not omnipotent or he is not omniscient...

[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

Why not end pain and misery when it has clearly lost it's purpose and only become a torture?

Gambler_3

If you look at history then look at the years of black people suffering as slaves, being forced to do gladiator fights, the list of brutality is endless.

Even now there are many people whoz lives are nothing but torture, go to a poor neighbourhood in some third world country some day...

As for history, humans have and will always be violent, like nature itself. I don't know why you brought that up either. God does not make people do what He wants them to do. We choose what WE want to do and think, as individuals.

People in third world countries are indeed, under great duress, however, it's God's responsibility to do something about it, right? Well, I don't know why he gave us our own minds to decide our fates then. You got me...

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]

What religio are you?

pspdseagle

Oh, then why make a topic pin-pointing a certain religion and not all of them?

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="harashawn"] Why should humans be perfect? What is perfection? harashawn

Imperfection in humans is when there are people who have a clear advantage in life over others...

Perfection would be an immortal human who doesnt need any maintainence..

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Born a muslim, remained so till the age of 20. Now an atheist...

Gambler_3

Oh, then why make a topic pin-pointing a certain religion and not all of them?

Most people here are Athiests :) Anyway still seems kinda stupid to me.

There is such thing as the contradictory God you are describing (assuming He exists, that is), because as far as we know, God can do whatever he wants. Because God has inifinite power, he can do anything, even the ability to have conflicting personalities.

Our assertion that suffering is bad is our opinion and our opinion alone as far as we're concerned. Maybe God sees brutality and suffering as something completely different from what we percieve it to be. Just because you think you know the difference between right and wrong, and you think you know how things ought to be, does not mean that your opinion is absolute. You can argue that God is evil, brutal, stupid, illogical, etc., but to say how God should be, is an absurd assertion.

Everyone in life has an equal opportunity to live as happily as the others.

Perfection would be an immortal human who doesnt need any maintainence..

Gambler_3

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]Theokhoth already stated pain has it's purpose. I don't know many people that live their lives feeling mostly torture as you seem to think. Life is a series of moments pain and happiness and it's through those moments when we know what each feeling truly means. If you take a look around, most of life as we know revolves around balances. There is no happiness without pain. Otherwise, happiness has no meaning.

FFCYAN

If you look at history then look at the years of black people suffering as slaves, being forced to do gladiator fights, the list of brutality is endless.

Even now there are many people whoz lives are nothing but torture, go to a poor neighbourhood in some third world country some day...

As for history, humans have and will always be violent, like nature itself. I don't know why you brought that up either. God does not make people do what He wants them to do. We choose what WE want to do and think, as individuals.

People in third world countries are indeed, under great duress, however, it's God's responsibility to do something about it, right? Well, I don't know why he gave us our own minds to decide our fates then. You got me...

So are you saying that people in thrid world countries can use their brains to deicide their fate? Really? Do you even know what they have to go through and in what despicable ways they live and survive?

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]

Oh, then why make a topic pin-pointing a certain religion and not all of them?

pspdseagle

Most people here are Athiests :) Anyway still seems kinda stupid to me.

There is such thing as the contradictory God you are describing (assuming He exists, that is), because as far as we know, God can do whatever he wants. Because God has inifinite power, he can do anything, even the ability to have conflicting personalities.

Our assertion that suffering is bad is our opinion and our opinion alone as far as we're concerned. Maybe God sees brutality and suffering as something completely different from what we percieve it to be. Just because you think you know the difference between right and wrong, and you think you know how things ought to be, does not mean that your opinion is absolute. You can argue that God is evil, brutal, stupid, illogical, etc., but to say how God should be, is an absurd assertion.

ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Everyone in life has an equal opportunity to live as happily as the others.

Perfection would be an immortal human who doesnt need any maintainence..

harashawn

Make a bigger planet then, no big deal for god! Afterall he'll be entertaining us all simultaneouly in afterlife...

How is everyone born equal? Are you even serious about that?:|:|

Make a bigger planet then, no big deal for god! Afterall he'll be entertaining us all simultaneouly in afterlife...

Gambler_3

[QUOTE="harashawn"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Everyone in life has an equal opportunity to live as happily as the others.

Perfection would be an immortal human who doesnt need any maintainence..

Gambler_3

Everyone is born with the chance to make something of themselves...and it is humanity/society that has told them otherwise..

You were implying that I am positing a worse image of life then what it is like for most people in the real world...

So are you saying that people in thrid world countries can use their brains to deicide their fate? Really? Do you even know what they have to go through and in what despicable ways they live and survive?

Gambler_3

As far as people living in those impoverished nations, no matter how much aid other nation give them, they and only they themselves can change how they live. Unfortunately, those in power either can't find ways to help their people or their leaders are outright committing acts of genocide. I can't say I have the answers, but I do know that God helps those who help themselves, so I've been told.

you are wrong because why would god create us if he didnt care for us at all

So you met God? What did he say? What did he look like?

xscrapzx

I have read through the entire thread but I did not see the irrefutable evidence.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Evil in the world in no way contradicts the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible. Heck, Scripture plainly teaches that this world often sucks horribly. Would that not show Scripture's truthfulness rather than its fallibility? Just because you being a finite creation cannot make sense of the actions of an infinite God does not mean there is no reason for it. Snipes_2

Here is the link to it on deviantart. :P

We wont know until we pass through this earth.

[QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

[QUOTE="vidplayer8"]

Yeah, this is gamespot off topic. I should really take this seriously. I guess you're right, all christians are now wrong /sarcasm.

stepnkev

This :P

Same here :lol:

^

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]Evil in the world in no way contradicts the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible. Heck, Scripture plainly teaches that this world often sucks horribly. Would that not show Scripture's truthfulness rather than its fallibility? Just because you being a finite creation cannot make sense of the actions of an infinite God does not mean there is no reason for it. mindstorm

Here is the link to it on deviantart. :P

Well, according to the Bible, the Christian God is not completely good, nor is he omnipotent and omniscient, although there are contradicting accounts on this.

Here's a Bible verse indicating that the Christian God is not completely good.

"And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand." -1 Samuel 19:9

Here are some links indicating that the Christian God is not omnipotent or omniscient, although the scriptures themselves contradict as you can tell.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/cando.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/knows.htm

Yeah, this is gamespot off topic. I should really take this seriously. I guess you're right, all christians are now wrong /sarcasm.

vidplayer8

well at least he presented a valid argument. Blowing it off with " /sarcasm" doesn't really strengthen your argument.

Well, according to the Bible, the Christian God is not completely good,Genetic_Code

Well, according to the Bible, the Christian God is not completely good, nor is he omnipotent and omniscient, although there are contradicting accounts on this.

Here's a Bible verse indicating that the Christian God is not completely good.

"And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand." -1 Samuel 19:9

Here are some links indicating that the Christian God is not omnipotent or omniscient, although the scriptures themselves contradict as you can tell.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/cando.html

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/knows.htm

Genetic_Code

A harmful spirit sent by the Lord tormentedSaul as a form of judgment for his sin of turning against the Lord (1 Sam. 15:22–29). Though God himself never does evil, he sometimes sends evil agents to accomplish his purposes (such as the Babylonians coming to punish Israel, cf. Jer. 20:4–6; or sinful people crucifying Christ, cf. notes on Gen. 50:18–21; Mark 14:21; Acts 2:23; 4:27; 4:28; see also 1 Kings 22:20–23).

How is it that you think that these arguments in any way show that God is not completely good? To say so is to completely contradict Scripture and all 2000 years of orthodox church history.

A harmful spirit sent by the Lord tormentedSaul as a form of judgment for his sin of turning against the Lord (1 Sam. 15:22–29). Though God himself never does evil, he sometimes sends evil agents to accomplish his purposes (such as the Babylonians coming to punish Israel, cf. Jer. 20:4–6; or sinful people crucifying Christ, cf. notes on Gen. 50:18–21; Mark 14:21; Acts 2:23; 4:27; 4:28; see also 1 Kings 22:20–23).

How is it that you think that these arguments in any way show that God is not completely good? To say so is to completely contradict Scripture and all 2000 years of orthodox church history.

mindstorm

Yeah, this is gamespot off topic. I should really take this seriously. I guess you're right, all christians are now wrong /sarcasm.

vidplayer8

:lol: very good.