There will be no more virgins if women are allowed to drive, said Saudi Clerics.

rofl

*sigh* cultures will be cultures

"Saudi Arabia"

I am unsurprised, really.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Women being content with being second-cIass citizens, really.

It's depressing the degree to which Saudi Arabia disregards the capabilities approach to progress.

THE_DRUGGIE

Given that these statements are being said and considered valid in the nation, the fact that women can feel contention in what is happening around them in regard to their capabilities is indicative of negligence of the capabilities approach, thus meaning the halt of social progress.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] I invite you to visit Saudi Arabia and question its public before making such a remark. The responses may very well prove interesting to you. Otherwise, I fail to see how one thinks or knows how everyone feels down here.Victorious_Fize

Given that these statements are being said and considered valid in the nation, the fact that women can feel contention in what is happening around them in regard to their capabilities is indicative of negligence of the capabilities approach, thus meaning the halt of social progress.

Objectivity/subjectivity have no place in the capabilities approach, it is more in line with utilitarianism in terms of spirit but has different application than such a philosophy.

That said, the statement that has been the subject of this entire thread is what is being referred to here.

Also, simply feeling content while also being second-cIass citizens is the exact opposite of the capabilities approach.

This is admittedly a little higher-level Political Science.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Given that these statements are being said and considered valid in the nation, the fact that women can feel contention in what is happening around them in regard to their capabilities is indicative of negligence of the capabilities approach, thus meaning the halt of social progress.

THE_DRUGGIE

Objectivity/subjectivity have no place in the capabilities approach, it is more in line with utilitarianism in terms of spirit but has different application that such a philosophy.

That said, the statement that has been the subject of this entire thread is what is being referred to here.

Also, simply feeling content while also being second-cIass citizens is the exact opposite of the capabilities approach.

This is admittedly a little higher-level Political Science.

In your words: "the fact that women can feel contention in what is happening around them in regard to their capabilities is indicative of negligence of the capabilities approach, thus meaning the halt of social progress."

fact = objective

indication = subjective

you used a shared factual experience of mine to forward a subjective opinion of yours, which is: "negligence of the capabilities approach, thus meaning the halt of social progress"

I must admit, I am a little confused about what the last post is trying to say, academic it seems. I ask of you to carry this on in a simpler language.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] What statements? The fact that women can feel contention in what is happening around them in regard to their capabilities is indicative that women can feel contention in what is happening around themin regard to their capabilities. Do not utilize objectivity for subjectivity. ;)

Victorious_Fize

Objectivity/subjectivity have no place in the capabilities approach, it is more in line with utilitarianism in terms of spirit but has different application that such a philosophy.

That said, the statement that has been the subject of this entire thread is what is being referred to here.

Also, simply feeling content while also being second-cIass citizens is the exact opposite of the capabilities approach.

This is admittedly a little higher-level Political Science.

In your words: "the fact that women can feel contention in what is happening around them in regard to their capabilities is indicative of negligence of the capabilities approach, thus meaning the halt of social progress."

fact = objective

indication = subjective

you used a shared factual experience of mine to forward a subjective opinion of yours, which is: "negligence of the capabilities approach, thus meaning the halt of social progress"

I must admit, I am a little confused about what the last post is trying to say, academic it seems. I ask of you to carry this on in a simpler language.

It's a side-effect of studying in the field of Political Science, I'm afraid. Just trying to express how I view this situation the way I see it.

Thank goodness i wasn't born in Saudi arabia.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Objectivity/subjectivity have no place in the capabilities approach, it is more in line with utilitarianism in terms of spirit but has different application that such a philosophy.

That said, the statement that has been the subject of this entire thread is what is being referred to here.

Also, simply feeling content while also being second-cIass citizens is the exact opposite of the capabilities approach.

This is admittedly a little higher-level Political Science.

THE_DRUGGIE

In your words: "the fact that women can feel contention in what is happening around them in regard to their capabilities is indicative of negligence of the capabilities approach, thus meaning the halt of social progress."

fact = objective

indication = subjective

you used a shared factual experience of mine to forward a subjective opinion of yours, which is: "negligence of the capabilities approach, thus meaning the halt of social progress"

I must admit, I am a little confused about what the last post is trying to say, academic it seems. I ask of you to carry this on in a simpler language.

It's a side-effect of studying in the field of Political Science, I'm afraid. Just trying to express how I view this situation the way I see it.

Beware or I'll get you with my tempting eyes.

MissLibrarian

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Human-after-all"] and coming out homosexuals?airshocker

That was hilarious. :lol:

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

In your words: "the fact that women can feel contention in what is happening around them in regard to their capabilities is indicative of negligence of the capabilities approach, thus meaning the halt of social progress."

fact = objective

indication = subjective

you used a shared factual experience of mine to forward a subjective opinion of yours, which is: "negligence of the capabilities approach, thus meaning the halt of social progress"

I must admit, I am a little confused about what the last post is trying to say, academic it seems. I ask of you to carry this on in a simpler language.

Victorious_Fize

It's a side-effect of studying in the field of Political Science, I'm afraid. Just trying to express how I view this situation the way I see it.

I don't think Saudi Arabia and its culture is inherently bad, if that's what you're getting at.

I'm simply saying that the capabilities (what they can actually do) of women is not being realized despite their contentment.

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

It's a side-effect of studying in the field of Political Science, I'm afraid. Just trying to express how I view this situation the way I see it.

THE_DRUGGIE

I don't think Saudi Arabia and its culture is inherently bad, if that's what you're getting at.

I'm simply saying that the capabilities (what they can actually do) of women is not being realized despite their contentment.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]I know that. I'm just saying a lot of people view Saudi Arabia from a western view or a bad agenda. I suppose the former is fine, but I cannot help but remind you that your perception might be different in reality.Victorious_Fize

I don't think Saudi Arabia and its culture is inherently bad, if that's what you're getting at.

I'm simply saying that the capabilities (what they can actually do) of women is not being realized despite their contentment.

Of course you can't perfect that kind of approach since not everyone will be able to, even in nations considered to be adopting this approach well.

But not using this approach results in misery.

It's true. I've been doing my part to stamp out virginity for over a decade, and cars played a key role in this.

Very very poor excuse in my eyes.They have to let Clerics make up astupid rule also.:|

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

What is there to discuss besides the stupidity of the clerics in Saudi Arabia?

Victorious_Fize

if there's still an arbitrary limit placed on women's freedom of movement and independence, pointing out a few activities they're allowed to have isn't a solution.

Women in Saudi Arabia are actually quite content with their life style, and although it may not seem so to a person living somewhere else in the world, being able to drive around is honestly not that big of an issue when most Saudi women have personal drivers or take a taxi instead of driving. JustOneCleric

what if they want more? what if at some point, they can't rely on an escort or a taxi, (like they're not available for some reason and it's important she drives somewhere?) or they just want to step up and take care of themselves?

[QUOTE="JustOneCleric"]Women in Saudi Arabia are actually quite content with their life style, and although it may not seem so to a person living somewhere else in the world, being able to drive around is honestly not that big of an issue when most Saudi women have personal drivers or take a taxi instead of driving. Mordred19

what if they want more? what if at some point, they can't rely on an escort or a taxi, (like they're not available for some reason and it's important she drives somewhere?) or they just want to step up and take care of themselves?