I get the oddest feeling sometimes that humans just shouldn't be in space. It's like we're in a game, and exploiting a glitch to get beyond the maps boundaries.
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LOL'd @ lame microorganism. Sadly, that's probably it.Some new space dust I bet. Or some lame microorganism.
Pirate700
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I get the oddest feeling sometimes that humans just shouldn't be in space. It's like we're in a game, and exploiting a glitch to get beyond the maps boundaries.
Big_Pecks
I don't know...
I fear we could break the code of reality if we "glitch" it up too much. Like many people thought the LHC would do.
Would be great if they find cave paintings or whatever But they'd shut the f*ck up if they ever found something that meaningfulMrPraline
I would be shocked if it were something that profound. Not because they found it, but because they'd be telling the public.
[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Would be great if they find cave paintings or whatever But they'd shut the f*ck up if they ever found something that meaningfulhartsickdiscipl
I would be shocked if it were something that profound. Not because they found it, but because they'd be telling the public.
Maybe they found Obama's birth certificate.[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]You didn't mention that other stuff in the post that I was replying to. You did however say, "there are always generational starships." And no, there aren't. In any case, using robots to dig around on Mars isn't exactly doing anything to bring generational starships closer to fruition, is it? Point being, there are plenty of perfectly good reasons for this kind of space exploration. Getting out of the solar system is not one of them. If you've gotta try to justify space exploration by appealing to some kind of sci-fi BS about living on other planets and in other star systems, then you're doing it wrong.Where did I say they now exist? I was proposing that as an option. You know, like fusion energy, rams, and absolutely everything else I was talking about. :roll:
MrGeezer
Since your ability to understand language is fvcked up a the moment, perhaps you didn't catch that I was suggesting that there's always the concept of such to consider, not necessarily that they currently exist.
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And solving the problems presented by having semi-autonomous rovers on Mars can be applied to such things as ship navigation, remote automated reconnaissance, and so on...you know, like the rams and probes in my following posts.
What they're doing with automatic avoidance and detection, as well as autonomous route planning is cutting-edge.
Maybe you should stop and consider the whole idea on a more technical level, because you're quite wrong.
[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Would be great if they find cave paintings or whatever But they'd shut the f*ck up if they ever found something that meaningfulhartsickdiscipl
I would be shocked if it were something that profound. Not because they found it, but because they'd be telling the public.
Might be profound to the science peeps, so they are all geeking out in excitement, but not so much to the general public.
Oh, you need to go to Mars to work on semi-autonomous rovers? That can't be done on Earth? Again, when talking about the benefits of the space program, the only thing you've talked about is "getting off this rock", and you started right out of the gate. If you seriously thinks that's why NASA exists, if you think that's why it should continue getting funding, then you're just delusional. F*** practical applications, f*** knowledge for knowledge's sake, we get to live on other planets. :roll:Since your ability to understand language is fvcked up a the moment, perhaps you didn't catch that I was suggesting that there's always the concept of such to consider, not necessarily that they currently exist.
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And solving the problems presented by having semi-autonomous rovers on Mars can be applied to such things as ship navigation, remote automated reconnaissance, and so on...you know, like the rams and probes in my following posts.
What they're doing with automatic avoidance and detection, as well as autonomous route planning is cutting-edge.
Maybe you should stop and consider the whole idea on a more technical level, because you're quite wrong.
br0kenrabbit
[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]Oh, you need to go to Mars to work on semi-autonomous rovers? That can't be done on Earth? Again, when talking about the benefits of the space program, the only thing you've talked about is "getting off this rock", and you started right out of the gate. If you seriously thinks that's why NASA exists, if you think that's why it should continue getting funding, then you're just delusional. F*** practical applications, f*** knowledge for knowledge's sake, we get to live on other planets. :roll:Since your ability to understand language is fvcked up a the moment, perhaps you didn't catch that I was suggesting that there's always the concept of such to consider, not necessarily that they currently exist.
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And solving the problems presented by having semi-autonomous rovers on Mars can be applied to such things as ship navigation, remote automated reconnaissance, and so on...you know, like the rams and probes in my following posts.
What they're doing with automatic avoidance and detection, as well as autonomous route planning is cutting-edge.
Maybe you should stop and consider the whole idea on a more technical level, because you're quite wrong.
MrGeezer
It's the unforeseen issues that are of technical value, you know, ones that would never occur should such take place on Earth. Further, it's important to understand how things work differently in environments that aren't Earth.
And I never once said that such is the only reason for going to Mars, as the science research being done on the planet itself is important. I was merely extrapolating the lessons and reasoning to something most people don't stop to consider.
I think you're in search of an argument. Here's a hint: go elsewhere.:roll:
Might be profound to the science peeps, so they are all geeking out in excitement, but not so much to the general public.
coolbeans90
Kinda-sorta. It's not going to be incontrovertible proof of life on Mars, but it could be compelling enough evidence of at least past life to cause some existential hand-wringing.
It's the unforeseen issues that are of technical value, you know, ones that would never occur should such take place on Earth. Further, it's important to understand how things work differently in environments that aren't Earth.And I never once said that such is the only reason for going to Mars, as the science research being done on the planet itself is important. I was merely extrapolating the lessons and reasoning to something most people don't stop to consider. I think you're in search of an argument. Here's a hint: go elsewhere.:roll:br0kenrabbitUm...what? What difference does it make how things react to the MARTIAN environment when we're talking about travelling to another planet outside of our solar system? What reason would you have to make any kind of assumption that such a planet would actually share any similarities with Mars? And there's a reason most people don't consider interstellar space travel as one of the reasons for space exploration: because it's a stupid reason. There have been endless practical applications to space exploration, many of them in use right now, we don't need to appeal to some kind of Star Trek style sci-fi BS in order to convince people that space exploration is valuable. If anything that just cheapens the whole thing and makes it seem like we're wasting money on some nerd's fantasy. And just like the people who think we "haven't done anything since the Apollo missions", it's dismissive of all of the groundbreaking science going on that's relevant right now (as opposed to in some possible far off future in which MAYBE we can achieve interstellar travel). Finally, I go where I want.
[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]It's the unforeseen issues that are of technical value, you know, ones that would never occur should such take place on Earth. Further, it's important to understand how things work differently in environments that aren't Earth.And I never once said that such is the only reason for going to Mars, as the science research being done on the planet itself is important. I was merely extrapolating the lessons and reasoning to something most people don't stop to consider. I think you're in search of an argument. Here's a hint: go elsewhere.:roll:MrGeezerUm...what? What difference does it make how things react to the MARTIAN environment when we're talking about travelling to another planet outside of our solar system? What reason would you have to make any kind of assumption that such a planet would actually share any similarities with Mars? And there's a reason most people don't consider interstellar space travel as one of the reasons for space exploration: because it's a stupid reason. There have been endless practical applications to space exploration, many of them in use right now, we don't need to appeal to some kind of Star Trek style sci-fi BS in order to convince people that space exploration is valuable. If anything that just cheapens the whole thing and makes it seem like we're wasting money on some nerd's fantasy. And just like the people who think we "haven't done anything since the Apollo missions", it's dismissive of all of the groundbreaking science going on that's relevant right now (as opposed to in some possible far off future in which MAYBE we can achieve interstellar travel). Finally, I go where I want.
Why the hell are you attempting to turn a light-hearted discussion on a gaming forum into a fvcking thesis is my question. He'll I opened the damn thread with "it's Elvis!"
Get a fvcking grip, dude.
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In all fairness, it takes two to tango. And you've been coming off as pretty condescending yourself. You can't act like I'm the only one at fault here. In any case, I'll agree that this isn't really getting anywhere, so I'm done.Why the hell are you attempting to turn a light-hearted discussion on a gaming forum into a fvcking thesis is my question. He'll I opened the damn thread with "it's Elvis!"
Get a fvcking grip, dude.
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br0kenrabbit
Sometimes I wonder if this space stuff is just a waste of tax dollars. Why spend millions of dollars to bring back some stupid dust from the moon? That money could be better spent elsewhere.
ShadowMoses900
I suggest you watch this short clip with dialogue by Neil Degrasse Tyson--it's quite convincing. We Stopped Dreaming Episodes 1 and 2.
EDIT: I have no idea why the link isn't working...this happens every time I try it. Just search YouTube for "Neil Degrasse Tyson Stopped Dreaming" episode 1.
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"] True, I remember Neil Tyson DeGrasse talking about this. He said that a lot of medical technology is actually originally developed by physicists not biologists, often for the space program. Then these technologies/knowledge later gets applied to medicine.
wis3boi
Not to mention that the urgency to explore space was fueled by the Cold War.
Yeah, science education in shcools was amazing in the 50s and 60s....now it's slacking hardcore. Go to the moon in the 60s, not much else groundbreaking happens since then really. Sad that it seems only a war or arms race will get people to care about advancement. Hopefully this mars mission will help inspire more young kids to explore space
lol
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Not to mention that the urgency to explore space was fueled by the Cold War.
chaoscougar1
Yeah, science education in shcools was amazing in the 50s and 60s....now it's slacking hardcore. Go to the moon in the 60s, not much else groundbreaking happens since then really. Sad that it seems only a war or arms race will get people to care about advancement. Hopefully this mars mission will help inspire more young kids to explore space
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in the sense of space exploration, there hasnt. Discovery about space, yes. us travelign in it? Not much
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