they say this is the possible missing link between humans and apes....

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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]

Where's your proof that they had a lack of knowledge? If they obviously foretold the future they would have known the scientific complexites and details. Some things just don't go out of date. And if God did create the universe (which he in my belief did) then he was obviously they told them the details. ShadowsDemon

The bible fortold the future? I'm calling bull **** on this one.

I should have seen that coming :D

Had a look didn't find anything.

[QUOTE="Planeforger"]We know for certain that modern humans evolved from more ape-like humans - we have the skeletons, we can trace their ancestry and genes, that is all fact. The missing link doesn't prove evolution - we already know it happens - it would just explain the leap from apes to ape-like humans.ShadowsDemon

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]

Evolution is a theory.

ShadowsDemon

NOevolution is a fact. I can be observed and repeated in a lab and can also be seen occuring in nature.

The Theory of evolution is the best answer science currently has for why evolution occurs.

Read a biology textbook.

Look at the EXTENSIVE fossil record.

Look at DNA similarities.

It's a fact.

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

The bible fortold the future? I'm calling bull **** on this one.

tenaka2

I should have seen that coming :D

Had a look didn't find anything.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]

Evolution is a theory.

ShadowsDemon

NOevolution is a fact. I can be observed and repeated in a lab and can also be seen occuring in nature.

The Theory of evolution is the best answer science currently has for why evolution occurs.

Science or evolution has never claimed that bird feathers turned into fish scales.

Birds evolved from dinosaurs, dinosaurs evolved from fishes.

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

NOevolution is a fact. I can be observed and repeated in a lab and can also be seen occuring in nature.

The Theory of evolution is the best answer science currently has for why evolution occurs.

imaps3fanboy

Read a biology textbook.

Look at the EXTENSIVE fossil record.

Look at DNA similarities.

It's a fact.

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] No, it is not a fact. There is no proof, no matter how far back you go. Bird feathers can not turn into fish scales. What evidence to you have that says otherwise, hmm?ShadowsDemon

Read a biology textbook.

Look at the EXTENSIVE fossil record.

Look at DNA similarities.

It's a fact.

You cannot study biology correctly if you don't believe in evolution.

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

NOevolution is a fact. I can be observed and repeated in a lab and can also be seen occuring in nature.

The Theory of evolution is the best answer science currently has for why evolution occurs.

tenaka2

Science or evolution has never claimed that bird feathers turned into fish scales.

Birds evolved from dinosaurs, dinosaurs evolved from fishes.

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] No, it is not a fact. There is no proof, no matter how far back you go. Bird feathers can not turn into fish scales. What evidence to you have that says otherwise, hmm?ShadowsDemon

Read a biology textbook.

Look at the EXTENSIVE fossil record.

Look at DNA similarities.

It's a fact.

Calling

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] No, it is not a fact. There is no proof, no matter how far back you go. Bird feathers can not turn into fish scales. What evidence to you have that says otherwise, hmm?ShadowsDemon

Read a biology textbook.

Look at the EXTENSIVE fossil record.

Look at DNA similarities.

It's a fact.

Dna sequences and similarities help prove evolution along with the extensive fossil record.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] No, it is not a fact. There is no proof, no matter how far back you go. Bird feathers can not turn into fish scales. What evidence to you have that says otherwise, hmm?ShadowsDemon

Science or evolution has never claimed that bird feathers turned into fish scales.

Birds evolved from dinosaurs, dinosaurs evolved from fishes.

http://www.nhm.org/site/research-collections/dinosaur-institute/dinosaurs/birds-late-evolution-dinosaurs

birds came from dino's my friend

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

Read a biology textbook.

Look at the EXTENSIVE fossil record.

Look at DNA similarities.

It's a fact.

tenaka2

You cannot study biology correctly if you don't believe in evolution.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] No, it is not a fact. There is no proof, no matter how far back you go. Bird feathers can not turn into fish scales. What evidence to you have that says otherwise, hmm?ShadowsDemon

Science or evolution has never claimed that bird feathers turned into fish scales.

Birds evolved from dinosaurs, dinosaurs evolved from fishes.

You know knothign about the basics of evolution I call bull on your biology claims.

No one has claimed that, you are 'Lying for Jesus' isnt that against a commandment?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] DNA similarities don't prove evolution. And I'm studying advanced Biology as one of my subjects at my college. I think I'd have read a book on it by now. :roll:ShadowsDemon

You cannot study biology correctly if you don't believe in evolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils

Like you said earlier.. gravity is just a theory.

Try walking off of a high rise and see how well that works out for you

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Science or evolution has never claimed that bird feathers turned into fish scales.

Birds evolved from dinosaurs, dinosaurs evolved from fishes.

imaps3fanboy

http://www.nhm.org/site/research-collections/dinosaur-institute/dinosaurs/birds-late-evolution-dinosaurs

birds came from dino's my friend

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Science or evolution has never claimed that bird feathers turned into fish scales.

Birds evolved from dinosaurs, dinosaurs evolved from fishes.

tenaka2

You know knothign about the basics of evolution I call bull on your biology claims.

No one has claimed that, you are 'Lying for Jesus' isnt that against a commandment?

Bull$hit. It's a theory, nothing more. All you guys have done is post fvcking stupid images and gifs and stated that your "opinions" are facts and that we all came from monkeys. Maybe you should give some actual proof.ShadowsDemon

No one said we eveolved from monkeys, you falling back on creationist lies.

Evolution is a fact, just as gravity is a fact, do you understand?

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] I'm pretty sure someone down the line has claimed that. And how the hell could dinosaurs evolved from fishes? That's completely and utterly insane. Where's your proof?ShadowsDemon

http://www.nhm.org/site/research-collections/dinosaur-institute/dinosaurs/birds-late-evolution-dinosaurs

birds came from dino's my friend

Ok, you're not worth responding too anymore.

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]

Bull$hit. It's a theory, nothing more. All you guys have done is post fvcking stupid images and gifs and stated that your "opinions" are facts and that we all came from monkeys. Maybe you should give some actual proof.tenaka2

No one said we eveolved from monkeys, you falling back on creationist lies.

Evolution is a fact, just as gravity is a fact, do you understand?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]

Bull$hit. It's a theory, nothing more. All you guys have done is post fvcking stupid images and gifs and stated that your "opinions" are facts and that we all came from monkeys. Maybe you should give some actual proof.ShadowsDemon

No one said we eveolved from monkeys, you falling back on creationist lies.

Evolution is a fact, just as gravity is a fact, do you understand?

Your dishonest, you lie, your god shall not be pleased lol.

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

No one said we eveolved from monkeys, you falling back on creationist lies.

Evolution is a fact, just as gravity is a fact, do you understand?

tenaka2

Your dishonest, you lie, your god shall not be pleased lol.

And to add to that: people have been "claiming" for hundreds of years that we've evolved from apes. You can't say that no one has made that claim.ShadowsDemon

Apes are not monkeys... they are of as you would say different 'kinds' lol.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]

Bull$hit. It's a theory, nothing more. All you guys have done is post fvcking stupid images and gifs and stated that your "opinions" are facts and that we all came from monkeys. Maybe you should give some actual proof.ShadowsDemon

No one said we eveolved from monkeys, you falling back on creationist lies.

Evolution is a fact, just as gravity is a fact, do you understand?

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]And to add to that: people have been "claiming" for hundreds of years that we've evolved from apes. You can't say that no one has made that claim.tenaka2

Apes are not monkeys... they are of as you would say different 'kinds' lol.

[QUOTE="Planeforger"]We know for certain that modern humans evolved from more ape-like humans - we have the skeletons, we can trace their ancestry and genes, that is all fact. The missing link doesn't prove evolution - we already know it happens - it would just explain the leap from apes to ape-like humans.ShadowsDemon

What I meant was, we have a hell of a lot of evidence surrounding 'early' homo sapiens who are now extinct.
We know that humans haven't been around forever (since there is no fossil evidence of humans existing before, say, two hundred thousand years ago), and we know that before them, many different human-like species existed, and the further back you chart them, the more ape-like they appear to be.
Those aren't just my opinions - we have real, physical evidence of these existing.

So...look, I'd agree that it's not 'certain' that we evolved from those early humans, just as we can't be 'certain' of anything in science...but all of the evidence points to the 'fact' that those early humans are our ancestors, and there's no real reason to doubt that. That's all I meant.

As for whether those early humans evolved from ape-like species, that's more contentious, even if all of the evidence suggests that that is the case. A missing link - some decisive, indisputable evidence - would help there.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]And to add to that: people have been "claiming" for hundreds of years that we've evolved from apes. You can't say that no one has made that claim.ShadowsDemon

Apes are not monkeys... they are of as you would say different 'kinds' lol.

So you prefer the talking snakes and women made from ribs option? That sounds reasonable... if you are10 years old.

ShadowsDemon

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Apes are not monkeys... they are of as you would say different 'kinds' lol.

tenaka2

So you prefer the talking snakes and women made from ribs option? That sounds reasonable... if you are10 years old.

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]chaoscougar1

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] It's the same basic prinipical that people have been making.ShadowsDemon

So you prefer the talking snakes and women made from ribs option? That sounds reasonable... if you are10 years old.

And you prefer monkeys becoming humans magically do you? That's what sounds reasonable if you're 10 years old.ShadowsDemon

Again, humans did not evolve from Monkeys, secondly evolution isn't magic, it can be observed occurring.

Even die hard creationists believe in evolution, even the die hards over at answers in genesis admit that macro evolution occurs.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] It's the same basic prinipical that people have been making.ShadowsDemon

So you prefer the talking snakes and women made from ribs option? That sounds reasonable... if you are10 years old.

^ No, I don't believe that either. There is no way to prove how much time evolved since the existence of humans and the creation of the universe in-between.ShadowsDemon

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]

And you prefer monkeys becoming humans magically do you? That's what sounds reasonable if you're 10 years old.tenaka2

Again, humans did not evolve from Monkeys, secondly evolution isn't magic, it can be observed occurring.

Even die hard creationists believe in evolution, even the die hards over at answers in genesis admit that macro evolution occurs.

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]^ No, I don't believe that either. There is no way to prove how much time evolved since the existence of humans and the creation of the universe in-between.chaoscougar1

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]^ No, I don't believe that either. There is no way to prove how much time evolved since the existence of humans and the creation of the universe in-between.ShadowsDemon

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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]

And you prefer monkeys becoming humans magically do you? That's what sounds reasonable if you're 10 years old.ShadowsDemon

Again, humans did not evolve from Monkeys, secondly evolution isn't magic, it can be observed occurring.

Even die hard creationists believe in evolution, even the die hards over at answers in genesis admit that macro evolution occurs.

Evolution can be observed occuring, evolution is a fact.

The theory of evolution is the best explanation we has as to why it occurs.

I pity you, your dogma has completely blinded you to reality.

There is no way to prove how much time evolved since the existence of humans and the creation of the universe in-between.ShadowsDemon

Uh, we can safely say that humans were not around at the creation of the universe.
There's absolutely no fossil evidence of humans existing 200,000 years ago, which is significant since we have plenty of fossil evidence of much older species - Neanderthals and dinosaurs and whatnot.

Ergo, there was a huge gap in time beween the developmen of Earth, the development of millions of years of older species, and the eventual development of modern humans.

It's kind of hard to deny that.

*edit* And to Mr. Cougar, I'm Australian too, if that helps.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]

Bull$hit. It's a theory, nothing more. All you guys have done is post fvcking stupid images and gifs and stated that your "opinions" are facts and that we all came from monkeys. Maybe you should give some actual proof.ShadowsDemon

No one said we eveolved from monkeys, you falling back on creationist lies.

Evolution is a fact, just as gravity is a fact, do you understand?

ITT: a moron and people that realize evolution is a fact.

No, it is not a fact. There is no proof, no matter how far back you go. Bird feathers can not turn into fish scales. What evidence to you have that says otherwise, hmm?ShadowsDemon

The laryngeal nerve, in mammals; runs from the brain, down into the chest, and then back up to the larynges, why? Why such a deficient design, why do 'all' mammals have this trait?

We evolved from fish(not directly of course, and over millions of years), their laryngeal nerve is in the same configuration, but they have no neck, there is no detour for the nerve, it's positioned correctly, and evolution doesn't have the ability to make specific changes, so it failed to reposition the nerve for efficiency in mammals.

We have a tailbone and an appendix, neither of which serve any purpose in us, why would creation make useless body parts?

Evolution repurposes structures, it doesn't create them.

DNA similarities don't prove evolution.

And I'm studying advanced Biology as one of my subjects at my college. I think I'd have read a book on it by now. ShadowsDemon

Though correlation doesn't necessarily equal causality, when your correlation is so consistent and numerous, than it really starts to 'hint' at it.

Let's say there are 1.2m species that's position has been establised on the evolutionary tree, 0 fall out of line, what is the probability that the next one will?

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Our most immediately related species(chimps) have 48 chromosomes, and we have 46, that should be 'impossible', this sounds like it supports creationism!

Too bad you can see exactly where the previous chromosome of ours combined with another to make a new larger one.

I already wrote out my reply a few hours ago to someone else who never responded. Maybe you should read that first. :|ShadowsDemon

Was this pointed at me? It's called 'sleep', jeeze, you didn't win the argument 'cause I required a nap.

You didn't provide any evidence, you simply stated that it 'did' happen. [that the bible foretold the future]

Is it bad that this topic singly handidly turned my friend atheist? 0_0

Is it bad that this topic singly handidly turned my friend atheist? 0_0

killblade37

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Where? can you please expand on that? I must have not read that part.Inconsistancy

Alright.
How did Isaiah write in the Bible that Cyrus would conquer Bablyon and that they would leave the gates open on that very day? He even named him a century before he was before.
See what I mean?

And guessing the future isn't always a blind guess, you often think about history to make estimations.

e.g. I think the next xbox or ps (at least one of them) will have 8gb of ram, reason being that every generation Sony has moved up in ram by 16x, and MS has averaged the same increase.

or, If I say "Israel will be conquered by Palestine in 2083 and the commander would lead them to victor would have a surname of Muhammad"

Let's say that happens, this isn't foresight, but coincidence.

lol@ people believing we are apes now AussieePet

Do you ever have something good to say?

[QUOTE="AussieePet"][QUOTE="Joshywaa"]

so is the bible

Joshywaa

We aren't apes

apes are apes

[QUOTE="AussieePet"]lol@ people believing we are apes now tjricardo089

Do you ever have something good to say?