[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Your approach is flawed b/c you are setting yourself up as the standard...this does not work b/c people are individuals...there is no standard You are not helping...like the cancer patient trying to cure another patientrawsavonBut the cancer patient can give advice to help deal with the cancer. This is what im doing. They can do nothing but talk...they can't cure...same as you But cancer isnt a good analogy. Because i can help him with this because its all in his head (unless he has a condition).
Thinking of getting a nose job. Is it worth it? Has anyone here ever gotten one?
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"] But the cancer patient can give advice to help deal with the cancer. This is what im doing. kipohippo021They can do nothing but talk...they can't cure...same as you But cancer isnt a good analogy. Because i can help him with this because its all in his head (unless he has a condition). So you honestly think an untrained HS student with a chest defect will provide better help than a trained professional...come on now I am going to be straight with you. I think you know you are wrong but don't want to admit it...you have flip-flopped quite a number of times in this thread But that is just my thoughts on this exchange
[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] They can do nothing but talk...they can't cure...same as yourawsavonBut cancer isnt a good analogy. Because i can help him with this because its all in his head (unless he has a condition). So you honestly think an untrained HS student with a chest defect will provide better help than a trained professional...come on now I am going to be straight with you. I think you know you are wrong but don't want to admit it...you have flip-flopped quite a number of times in this thread But that is just my thoughts on this exchange Im somone with first hand experience with being self consious about a deformity. And i can tell him that its better and worth it to just get over it, the surgery isnt worth it, especially because of his normal looking nose. Thats better advice than any trained proffesional can give. I have a deformity, but i got over it, and now im happy. How is my condition not releavent? What advice would you have given? My thoughts havent changed, care to explain?
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"] But cancer isnt a good analogy. Because i can help him with this because its all in his head (unless he has a condition). kipohippo021So you honestly think an untrained HS student with a chest defect will provide better help than a trained professional...come on now I am going to be straight with you. I think you know you are wrong but don't want to admit it...you have flip-flopped quite a number of times in this thread But that is just my thoughts on this exchange Im somone with first hand experience with being self consious about a deformity. And i can tell him that its better and worth it to just get over it, the surgery isnt worth it, especially because of his normal looking nose. Thats better advice than any trained proffesional can give. I have a deformity, but i got over it, and now im happy. How is my condition not releavent? What advice would you have given? My thoughts havent changed, care to explain? You have flip-flopped worse than a fish out of water :lol: Your first point was how wasteful it was...then you said, "Im not saying its wastefull"...then you went back to saying it was -don't make me dig up the plethora of quotes. You are wrong b/c you are not the standard bearer for deformities...your issues are not even the same...like someone with liver cancer talking to someone with skin cancer. You assume he has the same mental issues. You assume this surgery would not fix his issues. You assume he has body issues...you assume too much We are all individuals. Your experience with a deformity =/= someone else's My professional advice could not be given over the internet...it would require knowing a lot more about TC (though it is obvious this thread was not legit...so we are talking about an imaginary case). Your advice is placed on so many levels.
I'm going in for a septoplasty in November, not as bad as rhinoplasty but I'll relay my experience.Im_singlewhats that?
also TC, your nose isnt big at all, its normal or even a bit small from what i can see, but maybe its just a good pic idk. From what i see i suggest you just see a psych instead of a surgeon because it will be easier and cheaperto fix your image issues rather than fix a nose.
[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] So you honestly think an untrained HS student with a chest defect will provide better help than a trained professional...come on now I am going to be straight with you. I think you know you are wrong but don't want to admit it...you have flip-flopped quite a number of times in this thread But that is just my thoughts on this exchangerawsavonIm somone with first hand experience with being self consious about a deformity. And i can tell him that its better and worth it to just get over it, the surgery isnt worth it, especially because of his normal looking nose. Thats better advice than any trained proffesional can give. I have a deformity, but i got over it, and now im happy. How is my condition not releavent? What advice would you have given? My thoughts havent changed, care to explain? You have flip-flopped worse than a fish out of water :lol: Your first point was how wasteful it was...then you said, "Im not saying its wastefull"...then you went back to saying it was -don't make me dig up the plethora of quotes. You are wrong b/c you are not the standard bearer for deformities...your issues are not even the same...like someone with liver cancer talking to someone with skin cancer. You assume he has the same mental issues. You assume this surgery would not fix his issues. You assume he has body issues...you assume too much We are all individuals. Your experience with a deformity =/= someone else's My professional advice could not be given over the internet...it would require knowing a lot more about TC (though it is obvious this thread was not legit...so we are talking about an imaginary case). Your advice is placed on so many levels. I say its waste if he dosent have the money, if he does, i say that he still shouldnt, he could get over it. And if he has the money to just spend on plastic surgery, then he should be able donate some to a good cause.If i had money to spend like that, id do the same. But i dont. And whats not similar about our situations? (imaginary as his might be) I have a deformity, he has one, people see it, we feel bad. Thats my experience and its tc's, i got over it. So my advice to tc is to get over it. It worked for me, so i imagine it would work for him as we have similar conditions as far as im aware. I cant give perfect advice, and neither can you. I gave it the best i could and you decide to jump on me.
whats that?[QUOTE="Im_single"]I'm going in for a septoplasty in November, not as bad as rhinoplasty but I'll relay my experience.Thessassin
also TC, your nose isnt big at all, its normal or even a bit small from what i can see, but maybe its just a good pic idk. From what i see i suggest you just see a psych instead of a surgeon because it will be easier and cheaperto fix your image issues rather than fix a nose.
Bingo.
I see walls of text. Is this thread worth reading through? cybrcatterno
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"] Im somone with first hand experience with being self consious about a deformity. And i can tell him that its better and worth it to just get over it, the surgery isnt worth it, especially because of his normal looking nose. Thats better advice than any trained proffesional can give. I have a deformity, but i got over it, and now im happy. How is my condition not releavent? What advice would you have given? My thoughts havent changed, care to explain?kipohippo021You have flip-flopped worse than a fish out of water :lol: Your first point was how wasteful it was...then you said, "Im not saying its wastefull"...then you went back to saying it was -don't make me dig up the plethora of quotes. You are wrong b/c you are not the standard bearer for deformities...your issues are not even the same...like someone with liver cancer talking to someone with skin cancer. You assume he has the same mental issues. You assume this surgery would not fix his issues. You assume he has body issues...you assume too much We are all individuals. Your experience with a deformity =/= someone else's My professional advice could not be given over the internet...it would require knowing a lot more about TC (though it is obvious this thread was not legit...so we are talking about an imaginary case). Your advice is placed on so many levels. I say its waste if he dosent have the money, if he does, i say that he still shouldnt, he could get over it. And if he has the money to just spend on plastic surgery, then he should be able donate some to a good cause.If i had money to spend like that, id do the same. But i dont. And whats not similar about our situations? (imaginary as his might be) I have a deformity, he has one, people see it, we feel bad. Thats my experience and its tc's, i got over it. So my advice to tc is to get over it. It worked for me, so i imagine it would work for him as we have similar conditions as far as im aware. I cant give perfect advice, and neither can you. I gave it the best i could and you decide to jump on me. If you think he should donate money, then so should you (instead of buying your Xbox) ...we all 'waste' money...the price tag does not matter...it is all a waste. It is hypocritical to say if he has an extra 4000 he should donate when you had an extra 300 and did not when you bought an Xbox. How is it that you are arguing on this? -not to mention you have changed your opinion on this three times in this thread...It is hard to argue when you keep flip-flopping And I will say it as many times as necessary...you are not the standard bearer...you do not set the bar for deformities. We are all different. To give ANY meaningful advice one would have to know TC, his situation, and deformity. You are trying to assume that your experience is another's...that is flawed...and it is why people go to a psychologist instead of just going to see someone that went to a psychologist. -people go get help from a professional...they do not go see someone that went to a professional.
[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] You have flip-flopped worse than a fish out of water :lol: Your first point was how wasteful it was...then you said, "Im not saying its wastefull"...then you went back to saying it was -don't make me dig up the plethora of quotes. You are wrong b/c you are not the standard bearer for deformities...your issues are not even the same...like someone with liver cancer talking to someone with skin cancer. You assume he has the same mental issues. You assume this surgery would not fix his issues. You assume he has body issues...you assume too much We are all individuals. Your experience with a deformity =/= someone else's My professional advice could not be given over the internet...it would require knowing a lot more about TC (though it is obvious this thread was not legit...so we are talking about an imaginary case). Your advice is placed on so many levels.rawsavonI say its waste if he dosent have the money, if he does, i say that he still shouldnt, he could get over it. And if he has the money to just spend on plastic surgery, then he should be able donate some to a good cause.If i had money to spend like that, id do the same. But i dont. And whats not similar about our situations? (imaginary as his might be) I have a deformity, he has one, people see it, we feel bad. Thats my experience and its tc's, i got over it. So my advice to tc is to get over it. It worked for me, so i imagine it would work for him as we have similar conditions as far as im aware. I cant give perfect advice, and neither can you. I gave it the best i could and you decide to jump on me. If you think he should donate money, then so should you (instead of buying your Xbox) ...we all 'waste' money...the price tag does not matter...it is all a waste. It is hypocritical to say if he has an extra 4000 he should donate when you had an extra 300 and did not when you bought an Xbox. How is it that you are arguing on this? -not to mention you have changed your opinion on this three times in this thread...It is hard to argue when you keep flip-flopping And I will say it as many times as necessary...you are not the standard bearer...you do not set the bar for deformities. We are all different. To give ANY meaningful advice one would have to know TC, his situation, and deformity. You are trying to assume that your experience is another's...that is flawed...and it is why people go to a psychologist instead of just going to see someone that went to a psychologist. -people go get help from a professional...they do not go see someone that went to a professional. So, is everyone here supposed to hold thier tounge because they are not as certified as you? I gave it my best, and thats enough.
[QUOTE="Thessassin"]no Most definitely not. Just people saying that a nose job is wasteful, but an Xbox is not Well that's just crazy. An Xbox is a huge waste compared to a PS3. >_>[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]I see walls of text. Is this thread worth reading through? rawsavon
I see walls of text. Is this thread worth reading through? cybrcatterno Most definitely not. Just people saying that a nose job is wasteful, but an Xbox is not I cant solve my boredom with dedication. But you can solve how you feel about yourself with dedication.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"] I say its waste if he dosent have the money, if he does, i say that he still shouldnt, he could get over it. And if he has the money to just spend on plastic surgery, then he should be able donate some to a good cause.If i had money to spend like that, id do the same. But i dont. And whats not similar about our situations? (imaginary as his might be) I have a deformity, he has one, people see it, we feel bad. Thats my experience and its tc's, i got over it. So my advice to tc is to get over it. It worked for me, so i imagine it would work for him as we have similar conditions as far as im aware. I cant give perfect advice, and neither can you. I gave it the best i could and you decide to jump on me. kipohippo021If you think he should donate money, then so should you (instead of buying your Xbox) ...we all 'waste' money...the price tag does not matter...it is all a waste. It is hypocritical to say if he has an extra 4000 he should donate when you had an extra 300 and did not when you bought an Xbox. How is it that you are arguing on this? -not to mention you have changed your opinion on this three times in this thread...It is hard to argue when you keep flip-flopping And I will say it as many times as necessary...you are not the standard bearer...you do not set the bar for deformities. We are all different. To give ANY meaningful advice one would have to know TC, his situation, and deformity. You are trying to assume that your experience is another's...that is flawed...and it is why people go to a psychologist instead of just going to see someone that went to a psychologist. -people go get help from a professional...they do not go see someone that went to a professional. So, is everyone here supposed to hold thier tounge because they are not as certified as you? I gave it my best, and thats enough. But you have given hypocritical advice -okay for you to waste money on an Xbox, but he should not get what he wants b/c that is 'wasteful' b/c it costs more -you then flip-flopped on that issue at least 3 times...which would confuse the heck out of anyone (if this were real) -you tried to impose your values on TC without understanding his needs (something that usually kills any chance of helping someone psychologically)...you basically told him to get over it (which would just make someone go into their shell and ignore) ...if this were real, your advice would have hurt more than helped...this is why people seek professional help and not someone that went through it But it was not real...so it does not really matter (which is good for TC)
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Thessassin"] noMost definitely not. Just people saying that a nose job is wasteful, but an Xbox is not I cant solve my boredom with dedication. But you can solve how you feel about yourself with dedication. It's in English, but I have no idea what it means ^^^kipohippo021
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Thessassin"] noMost definitely not. Just people saying that a nose job is wasteful, but an Xbox is not Well that's just crazy. An Xbox is a huge waste compared to a PS3. >_> thank god somebody besides me uses logic here :)cybrcatter
Well that's just crazy. An Xbox is a huge waste compared to a PS3. >_> It only does everything, right? *zips up pants* Not everything. :([QUOTE="cybrcatter"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Most definitely not. Just people saying that a nose job is wasteful, but an Xbox is notrawsavon
[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] If you think he should donate money, then so should you (instead of buying your Xbox) ...we all 'waste' money...the price tag does not matter...it is all a waste. It is hypocritical to say if he has an extra 4000 he should donate when you had an extra 300 and did not when you bought an Xbox. How is it that you are arguing on this? -not to mention you have changed your opinion on this three times in this thread...It is hard to argue when you keep flip-flopping And I will say it as many times as necessary...you are not the standard bearer...you do not set the bar for deformities. We are all different. To give ANY meaningful advice one would have to know TC, his situation, and deformity. You are trying to assume that your experience is another's...that is flawed...and it is why people go to a psychologist instead of just going to see someone that went to a psychologist. -people go get help from a professional...they do not go see someone that went to a professional.rawsavonSo, is everyone here supposed to hold thier tounge because they are not as certified as you? I gave it my best, and thats enough. But you have given hypocritical advice -okay for you to waste money on an Xbox, but he should not get what he wants b/c that is 'wasteful' b/c it costs more -you then flip-flopped on that issue at least 3 times...which would confuse the heck out of anyone (if this were real) -you tried to impose your values on TC without understanding his needs (something that usually kills any chance of helping someone psychologically)...you basically told him to get over it (which would just make someone go into their shell and ignore) ...if this were real, your advice would have hurt more than helped...this is why people seek professional help and not someone that went through it But it was not real...so it does not really matter (which is good for TC) (if this were real) tc should look at his money, if he can afford it, then get it, but IN MY OPINION its a waste. Again, its not something id put myself in debt for. I gave the best advice i could, im not a professional, i told him what i did and that it helped. This isnt a phycologists forum, anyone and everyone can join. I take it tc wanted the opinion of the average person, and im a person with first hand experience, so if tc (if real) took my advice seriously and with weight, he would have some good advice. I gave it the best i could and i voiced my opinion. Just because im not certified does not mean anything, would you rather we all shut up and let you take the reins when it comes to this kind of stuff? We all gave it our best here.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"]It only does everything, right? *zips up pants* Not everything. :( My original phat 60 gig's fan blows air pretty hard... [spoiler] (I think it is about to die) [/spoiler][QUOTE="cybrcatter"] Well that's just crazy. An Xbox is a huge waste compared to a PS3. >_>cybrcatter
I cant solve my boredom with dedication. But you can solve how you feel about yourself with dedication. It's in English, but I have no idea what it means ^^^ Rawsavon, necesitas a ensenarte mas ingles. Usted no estas mejor que todos los personas aqui. Nosotros tenemos opiniones tambien. Por favor, dejame. (I hope this helps)[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Most definitely not. Just people saying that a nose job is wasteful, but an Xbox is notrawsavon
Well that's just crazy. An Xbox is a huge waste compared to a PS3. >_>cybrcatterIt only does everything, right? *zips up pants* Not everything. :( It has an internet browser though ;)
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"] So, is everyone here supposed to hold thier tounge because they are not as certified as you? I gave it my best, and thats enough.kipohippo021But you have given hypocritical advice -okay for you to waste money on an Xbox, but he should not get what he wants b/c that is 'wasteful' b/c it costs more -you then flip-flopped on that issue at least 3 times...which would confuse the heck out of anyone (if this were real) -you tried to impose your values on TC without understanding his needs (something that usually kills any chance of helping someone psychologically)...you basically told him to get over it (which would just make someone go into their shell and ignore) ...if this were real, your advice would have hurt more than helped...this is why people seek professional help and not someone that went through it But it was not real...so it does not really matter (which is good for TC) (if this were real) tc should look at his money, if he can afford it, then get it, but IN MY OPINION its a waste. Again, its not something id put myself in debt for. I gave the best advice i could, im not a professional, i told him what i did and that it helped. This isnt a phycologists forum, anyone and everyone can join. I take it tc wanted the opinion of the average person, and im a person with first hand experience, so if tc (if real) took my advice seriously and with weight, he would have some good advice. I gave it the best i could and i voiced my opinion. Just because im not certified does not mean anything, would you rather we all shut up and let you take the reins when it comes to this kind of stuff? We all gave it our best here. No. But you should: 1. not give hypocritical advice (okay for you to waste, and not for him...people see that and will ignore you b/c of it) 2. not flip-flop...will confuse people and cause them to ignore b/c you said both things 3. you should say what you went through, but you should not trivialize what they are going through by saying they should just do what you did...say how it helped you, but don't assume that is what is best for them
[QUOTE="rawsavon"]It's in English, but I have no idea what it means ^^^ Rawsavon, necesitas a ensenarte mas ingles. Usted no estas mejor que todos los personas aqui. Nosotros tenemos opiniones tambien. Por favor, dejame. (I hope this helps) Sure doesn't But posting in another language gets you modded if they see it or someone reports you (not that I will)[QUOTE="kipohippo021"] I cant solve my boredom with dedication. But you can solve how you feel about yourself with dedication.kipohippo021
[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] But you have given hypocritical advice -okay for you to waste money on an Xbox, but he should not get what he wants b/c that is 'wasteful' b/c it costs more -you then flip-flopped on that issue at least 3 times...which would confuse the heck out of anyone (if this were real) -you tried to impose your values on TC without understanding his needs (something that usually kills any chance of helping someone psychologically)...you basically told him to get over it (which would just make someone go into their shell and ignore) ...if this were real, your advice would have hurt more than helped...this is why people seek professional help and not someone that went through it But it was not real...so it does not really matter (which is good for TC)rawsavon(if this were real) tc should look at his money, if he can afford it, then get it, but IN MY OPINION its a waste. Again, its not something id put myself in debt for. I gave the best advice i could, im not a professional, i told him what i did and that it helped. This isnt a phycologists forum, anyone and everyone can join. I take it tc wanted the opinion of the average person, and im a person with first hand experience, so if tc (if real) took my advice seriously and with weight, he would have some good advice. I gave it the best i could and i voiced my opinion. Just because im not certified does not mean anything, would you rather we all shut up and let you take the reins when it comes to this kind of stuff? We all gave it our best here. No. But you should: 1. not give hypocritical advice (okay for you to waste, and not for him...people see that and will ignore you b/c of it) 2. not flip-flop...will confuse people and cause them to ignore b/c you said both things 3. you should say what you went through, but you should not trivialize what they are going through by saying they should just do what you did...say how it helped you, but don't assume that is what is best for them i said its an opinion, im tight on money, so i do have to spend some on myself. I have not changed my opinion, show me one example. I gave my experience, that includes assuming whats best and and what they should do. As thats the advice part of it.
[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] It's in English, but I have no idea what it means ^^^Rawsavon, necesitas a ensenarte mas ingles. Usted no estas mejor que todos los personas aqui. Nosotros tenemos opiniones tambien. Por favor, dejame. (I hope this helps) Sure doesn't But posting in another language gets you modded if they see it or someone reports you (not that I will) meh, they can report me allthey want. It was a response to your smartass comment and not meant to be read.rawsavon
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"] (if this were real) tc should look at his money, if he can afford it, then get it, but IN MY OPINION its a waste. Again, its not something id put myself in debt for. I gave the best advice i could, im not a professional, i told him what i did and that it helped. This isnt a phycologists forum, anyone and everyone can join. I take it tc wanted the opinion of the average person, and im a person with first hand experience, so if tc (if real) took my advice seriously and with weight, he would have some good advice. I gave it the best i could and i voiced my opinion. Just because im not certified does not mean anything, would you rather we all shut up and let you take the reins when it comes to this kind of stuff? We all gave it our best here. kipohippo021No. But you should: 1. not give hypocritical advice (okay for you to waste, and not for him...people see that and will ignore you b/c of it) 2. not flip-flop...will confuse people and cause them to ignore b/c you said both things 3. you should say what you went through, but you should not trivialize what they are going through by saying they should just do what you did...say how it helped you, but don't assume that is what is best for them i said its an opinion, im tight on money, so i do have to spend some on myself. I have not changed my opinion, show me one example. I gave my experience, that includes assuming whats best and and what they should do. As thats the advice part of it. I quoted on page 7 where you flip-flopped: "But a nose job is a pretentious waste of money" "Im not saying its wastefull, i just wouldnt put myself in debt over it." ...seems a pretty big flip-flop to me Also, others have pointed out how your advice has been hypocritical as well (not wasteful for you, but it is for him)
Sure doesn't But posting in another language gets you modded if they see it or someone reports you (not that I will) meh, they can report me allthey want. It was a response to your smartass comment and not meant to be read. It was not smart-ass...honest...I really had no idea what you were trying to say...It was in English, but it made NO sense to me I don't play that game[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"] Rawsavon, necesitas a ensenarte mas ingles. Usted no estas mejor que todos los personas aqui. Nosotros tenemos opiniones tambien. Por favor, dejame. (I hope this helps)kipohippo021
[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] No. But you should: 1. not give hypocritical advice (okay for you to waste, and not for him...people see that and will ignore you b/c of it) 2. not flip-flop...will confuse people and cause them to ignore b/c you said both things 3. you should say what you went through, but you should not trivialize what they are going through by saying they should just do what you did...say how it helped you, but don't assume that is what is best for themrawsavoni said its an opinion, im tight on money, so i do have to spend some on myself. I have not changed my opinion, show me one example. I gave my experience, that includes assuming whats best and and what they should do. As thats the advice part of it. I quoted on page 7 where you flip-flopped: "But a nose job is a pretentious waste of money" "Im not saying its wastefull, i just wouldnt put myself in debt over it." ...seems a pretty big flip-flop to me Also, others have pointed out how your advice has been hypocritical as well (not wasteful for you, but it is for him) it is a waste, unless you have the money for it. Hence the word "pretentious". If you have the money, and you really want it, by all means, go for it. But plastic surgery is a huge hit on your money, unless you are rich. Im assuming tc isnt rich. I meant that, even if i had the money, itd be a waste imo. Thats why i advised to "get over it". If tc had said he had the money, i would have said "i wouldnt do it, but its your descison". I fail to see the contradiction.
Sure doesn't But posting in another language gets you modded if they see it or someone reports you (not that I will)rawsavonmeh, they can report me allthey want. It was a response to your smartass comment and not meant to be read. It was not smart-ass...honest...I really had no idea what you were trying to say...It was in English, but it made NO sense to me I don't play that game Dosent matter, anyone reading that whos not you will see it that way. Especially me. Knowing you, i expected some sort of smart ass comment from that. The moral of the story is, learn spanish.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"] i said its an opinion, im tight on money, so i do have to spend some on myself. I have not changed my opinion, show me one example. I gave my experience, that includes assuming whats best and and what they should do. As thats the advice part of it.kipohippo021I quoted on page 7 where you flip-flopped: "But a nose job is a pretentious waste of money" "Im not saying its wastefull, i just wouldnt put myself in debt over it." ...seems a pretty big flip-flop to me Also, others have pointed out how your advice has been hypocritical as well (not wasteful for you, but it is for him) it is a waste, unless you have the money for it. Hence the word "pretentious". If you have the money, and you really want it, by all means, go for it. But plastic surgery is a huge hit on your money, unless you are rich. Im assuming tc isnt rich. I meant that, even if i had the money, itd be a waste imo. Thats why i advised to "get over it". If tc had said he had the money, i would have said "i wouldnt do it, but its your descison". I fail to see the contradiction. Wasteful is not dependent on how much money you have :? Wasteful is buying more than what is needed You contradicted yourself where I just pointed it out...and you know it...unless those quotes were not yours. I have explained, in detail, how your advice was hypocritical and contradictory To be honest, your story by itself would have been very useful (if this were real) A "hey, I went through this and this is how I handled it" can inspire someone. But you started off by saying that he was being wasteful, he should get over it, etc...when people see hypocritical advice (wasteful), when they see contradictions (flip-flop), when they feel their feelings are being trivialized ('get over it'), they shut down and ignore...it is automatic psychological response...a defense mechanism This is why people seek professional help Btw you should have just said that in English...it was an easy look up in google translator
[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] I quoted on page 7 where you flip-flopped: "But a nose job is a pretentious waste of money" "Im not saying its wastefull, i just wouldnt put myself in debt over it." ...seems a pretty big flip-flop to me Also, others have pointed out how your advice has been hypocritical as well (not wasteful for you, but it is for him)rawsavonit is a waste, unless you have the money for it. Hence the word "pretentious". If you have the money, and you really want it, by all means, go for it. But plastic surgery is a huge hit on your money, unless you are rich. Im assuming tc isnt rich. I meant that, even if i had the money, itd be a waste imo. Thats why i advised to "get over it". If tc had said he had the money, i would have said "i wouldnt do it, but its your descison". I fail to see the contradiction. Wasteful is not dependent on how much money you have :? Wasteful is buying more than what is needed You contradicted yourself where I just pointed it out...and you know it...unless those quotes were not yours. I have explained, in detail, how your advice was hypocritical and contradictory To be honest, your story by itself would have been very useful (if this were real) A "hey, I went through this and this is how I handled it" can inspire someone. But you started off by saying that he was being wasteful, he should get over it, etc...when people see hypocritical advice (wasteful), when they see contradictions (flip-flop), when they feel their feelings are being trivialized ('get over it'), they shut down and ignore...it is automatic psychological response...a defense mechanism This is why people seek professional help Btw you should have just said that in English...it was an easy look up in google translator wastefull is dependent on how much money you spend. Its why bill gates can buy mansions, for us thats wastefull. But he still has money to spare, so for him, its not. I said its wastefull bc i assumed he wasnt rich. I said he should get over it because it worked for me. Do you not give advice based on what has worked? Im no phycologist, so i didnt figure it would make him shut down, ill be sure to watch who i say "get over it" to in the future. But if somone is really willing to take advice and follow it "get over it" is the best i can give.
[QUOTE="kipohippo021"] The moral of the story is, learn spanish. rawsavonWhy :? So you dont have to depend on a translator of course.
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"] it is a waste, unless you have the money for it. Hence the word "pretentious". If you have the money, and you really want it, by all means, go for it. But plastic surgery is a huge hit on your money, unless you are rich. Im assuming tc isnt rich. I meant that, even if i had the money, itd be a waste imo. Thats why i advised to "get over it". If tc had said he had the money, i would have said "i wouldnt do it, but its your descison". I fail to see the contradiction.kipohippo021Wasteful is not dependent on how much money you have :? Wasteful is buying more than what is needed You contradicted yourself where I just pointed it out...and you know it...unless those quotes were not yours. I have explained, in detail, how your advice was hypocritical and contradictory To be honest, your story by itself would have been very useful (if this were real) A "hey, I went through this and this is how I handled it" can inspire someone. But you started off by saying that he was being wasteful, he should get over it, etc...when people see hypocritical advice (wasteful), when they see contradictions (flip-flop), when they feel their feelings are being trivialized ('get over it'), they shut down and ignore...it is automatic psychological response...a defense mechanism This is why people seek professional help Btw you should have just said that in English...it was an easy look up in google translator wastefull is dependent on how much money you spend. Its why bill gates can buy mansions, for us thats wastefull. But he still has money to spare, so for him, its not. I said its wastefull bc i assumed he wasnt rich. I said he should get over it because it worked for me. Do you not give advice based on what has worked? Im no phycologist, so i didnt figure it would make him shut down, ill be sure to watch who i say "get over it" to in the future. But if somone is really willing to take advice and follow it "get over it" is the best i can give. Wasteful HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE :? defintion: inefficient in use of time and effort and materials extravagant In other words, spending more than what is necessary...your Xbox was wasteful b/c it is not necessary...which is fine...it is our right to be that way, we all are wasteful So your advice was hypocritical (as pointed out by many people in this thread) If you do not know what is the best way to give advice, would it not be better to not give it (If, in your heart, you really want to help) -'get over it' is just about the fastest way to get someone to shut down and not listen...if you ever want someone to do the opposite of what you say, then tell them that
TC if this is something that really bothers you and is keeping you from being happy, I say go for it. Just my 2 cents.TauruslinkI guarantee you if he gets it done, one of two things will happen: 1. He'll realize it was a total waste of money. 2. He'll go down a slippery slope and start nitpicking what other facial features he doesn't like.
I had nose surgery last december to fix a very deviated septum (broke it a few times and it was restricting my airway). it was the worst experience ever. painfull. i couldnt taste anything for over a week. then it also got infected. also the pain meds make me crazy nauseated.
dont do it for cosmetics.
It was nice knowing you, OliveMas- I mean TC.
[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]TC if this is something that really bothers you and is keeping you from being happy, I say go for it. Just my 2 cents.Vax45I guarantee you if he gets it done, one of two things will happen: 1. He'll realize it was a total waste of money. 2. He'll go down a slippery slope and start nitpicking what other facial features he doesn't like. How can you guarantee that? You don't know the guy, lots of people get nose jobs and leave it at that.
How can you guarantee that? You don't know the guy, lots of people get nose jobs and leave it at that. PerfectCirclesHow can a nose be a deal-breaker in how your face looks? Judging by the fact that this is being posted on Gamespot of all places, I can think of a couple things why this is being posted: * The guy is over-dramatizing * Being so self-aware that he needs something other than nose surgery to solve his problems * Just looking for attention
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