This is why no one should follow Jesus

This is why no one should follow Jesus

DISCLAIMER: This was written using the idea that Jesus is the son of "god", and not "god" in human form.

Anyone with common sense knows that the best teachers/leaders are people who have personally experienced the lessons they are attempting to teach everyone else.

This experience obviously comes from being flawed, making mistakes, and learning from the mistakes. Making mistakes is how we acquire the ability to discern between right and wrong. It's how learn about our own abilities and their limitations, and just how we grow and evolve as people. It's through making mistakes, and facing adversity, that we build our character, and develop our identity.

This is what makes me wonder why so many people would believe in Jesus' teachings and any words he spoke. He was supposedly the only perfect person, and made no mistakes. If that's so, than what would his teachings be worth? What value could his words hold? If he never made a mistake, then he never had any experiences that taught him anything, that in turn, he could share with others.

Plus, I don't even know how anyone would feel connected to someone who is perfect. How could we relate? It's impossible. I think I'd rather hear a person speak whom has had lots of experience, than someone who was just basically born a robot. Robots can't relate to humanity. What could a robot teach humanity? Only an experienced human could have anything to share with his fellow humans about humanity, morals, and life in general.

Would you really listen to anyone who claimed to be the only son of an unproven god anyway? Someone today, making the same claims that Jesus made back then, would instantly be understood to be mentally ill. So why does anyone believe that Jesus was not? Is it because we got used to it, and don't want to change what we've gotten used to, and designed our entire lives around? Is it because we only have so much room for lunacy in our society, that we grandfathered Jesus in, while blocking out any new self-proclaimed messiahs?

Bottom line is, a perfect person isn't someone you would go to for advice, or anything else, because they wouldn't know what to say, from lack of their own experience with GROWING; living and learning, trials and tribulations, character building exercises, or personal soul searching. A perfect person is of no use to a flawed person, as a flawed person couldn't relate to someone unlike himself in matters of the soul, nor would he share anything in common with him, in relation to life experiences. A perfect person roaming the earth for the sole purpose of "saving" the non-perfect people, is pointless. And actually, it's quite ridiculous.

Him, well I'll still keep following him. Some guy on a Internet forum isn't going to make me stop :| Hes changed my life like no one else. :)xSIZEMATTER

He changed your life...in your mind?

Sorry, I just never understand what people mean when they say Jesus changed their lives, when up to this point he has only existed in your imagination. That's a fact. You've never met him, and you can't since he's dead.

Do you realize it was just you that changed your own life? If you agree with something attributed to Jesus, it reflects your own willpower to live your life that way. It's good if you have a good heart, and morals, but why give the credit to some character in a book of fables? It was you all along...believe in yourself.

[QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]Him, well I'll still keep following him. Some guy on a Internet forum isn't going to make me stop :| Hes changed my life like no one else. :)Deity_Slapper

He changed your life...in your mind?

Sorry, I just never understand what people mean when they say Jesus changed their lives, when up to this point he has only existed in your imagination. That's a fact. You've never met him, and you can't since he's dead.

Do you realize it was just you that changed your own life? If you agree with something attributed to Jesus, it reflects your own willpower to live your life that way. It's good if you have a good heart, and morals, but why give the credit to some character in a book of fables? It was you all along...believe in yourself.

Nope it's nothing like that. You can't understand it from the outside. You don't believe in God, so you will just come back disagreeing with me. I've been healed by him in so many ways. I've prayed before and my pains had gone away. You don't believe, I do, because of what HE has done. He proves himself to me when I'm faithful to him. For you, you can't understand. You see this as a fantasy. You can't understand until you let him into your life. Until then you will never understand. So that's all I have to say, because I'm not going to argue with you over a Internet forum. You will never change your mind over the internet, so I'll not waste my time. :)

You can't understand until you let him into your life. Until then you will never understand. xSIZEMATTER

Been there, done that. That's why I understand it more than you do.

But anyway, I love cats, so thanks for brightening my day with that picture. :)

I don't have much to say. I live my life for myself and based on my own convictions. worthyofnote

Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.

You can't understand until you let him into your life. Until then you will never understand. xSIZEMATTER

We wouldn't understand your personal spiritual connection with Jesus

awww...

If you honestly believe that Jesus was relaying to the people what God wanted them to know, then it's pretty evident why following it would be a good idea. People with experience have credibility basically because they have knowledge - if we're to believe that God knows everything, it seems to me that even the best human teachers couldn't match those kinds of credentials.

Of course, this all hinges on the existence of God and the description we've been given of his nature. But if you grant that as an assumption, I think the motivation of those who follow Jesus is pretty darn evident.

Either way, I think it would be hard to argue against a lot of what Jesus had to say. I'm not a Christian, but I certainly don't discount the value of what Jesus told his followers - a lot of it, such as loving one's neighbor and all that, is not exactly only relevant to Christians.

[QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]Him, well I'll still keep following him. Some guy on a Internet forum isn't going to make me stop :| Hes changed my life like no one else. :)Deity_Slapper

He changed your life...in your mind?

Sorry, I just never understand what people mean when they say Jesus changed their lives, when up to this point he has only existed in your imagination. That's a fact. You've never met him, and you can't since he's dead.

Do you realize it was just you that changed your own life? If you agree with something attributed to Jesus, it reflects your own willpower to live your life that way. It's good if you have a good heart, and morals, but why give the credit to some character in a book of fables? It was you all along...believe in yourself.

He changed your life...in your mind?

Sorry, I just never understand what people mean when they say Jesus changed their lives, when up to this point he has only existed in your imagination. That's a fact. You've never met him, and you can't since he's dead.

Do you realize it was just you that changed your own life? If you agree with something attributed to Jesus, it reflects your own willpower to live your life that way. It's good if you have a good heart, and morals, but why give the credit to some character in a book of fables? It was you all along...believe in yourself.

Deity_Slapper

I've never met Dale Carnegie, nor do I even have proof that he existed at all (besides the fact that I own his book), but I can honestly say that reading the book How to Win Friends and Influence People quite literally changed my life in the way in which it changed my outlook on human interaction. While any personal change ultimately comes from within, I don't exactly think it's wrong to credit what created the impetus for that change. If that catalyst happened to be the Bible, no harm in that.

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[QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]Him, well I'll still keep following him. Some guy on a Internet forum isn't going to make me stop :| Hes changed my life like no one else. :)X360PS3AMD05

He changed your life...in your mind?

Sorry, I just never understand what people mean when they say Jesus changed their lives, when up to this point he has only existed in your imagination. That's a fact. You've never met him, and you can't since he's dead.

Do you realize it was just you that changed your own life? If you agree with something attributed to Jesus, it reflects your own willpower to live your life that way. It's good if you have a good heart, and morals, but why give the credit to some character in a book of fables? It was you all along...believe in yourself.

You could argue that believing in that stuff gave him the will to accomplish all of that.

Because it's cool to hate jesus.

"Hey let's get down with the kids!" flips on sun glasses and a burlap cap. "Yeah innit!" Does a hand motion with fingers spread out.

[QUOTE="worthyofnote"]I don't have much to say. I live my life for myself and based on my own convictions. soren008

Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.

Well true i guess, whatever floats your boat? But i still have issues with it because of the brutal history, all the votes it's gotten for the republicans even though they're pretty damn close to the "devil" himself :lol:X360PS3AMD05

Personally, I say, blame the people, not the religion. The fact that people have used it as an excuse to do terrible things doesn't mean that it itself is bad. If it wasn't religion, they'd have found something else. Not all heinous acts in history have links to religion; they all, however, have links to people who either had an ego the size of Poland or who were psychotic (the two are certainly not mutually exclusive).

I say, blame the people, not the religion.GabuEx

The people are the religion.Jandurin

No matter what the people say, the stuff in the religions' holy text is the same. What they make of it is far more reflective of their personal character than of the contents of the holy text.

If I teach someone to love his neighbor and two thousand years down the line someone took that teaching and somehow used it to justify murder, that would not exactly be my fault, nor would it be indicative of some problem with the teaching itself.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]The people are the religion.GabuEx

No matter what the people say, the stuff in the religions' holy text is the same. What they make of it is far more reflective of their personal character than of the contents of the holy text.

If I teach someone to love his neighbor and two thousand years down the line someone took that teaching and somehow used it to justify murder, that would not exactly be my fault, nor would it be indicative of some problem with the teaching itself.

Thanks...

[QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]Him, well I'll still keep following him. Some guy on a Internet forum isn't going to make me stop :| Hes changed my life like no one else. :)Deity_Slapper

He changed your life...in your mind?

Sorry, I just never understand what people mean when they say Jesus changed their lives, when up to this point he has only existed in your imagination. That's a fact. You've never met him, and you can't since he's dead.

Do you realize it was just you that changed your own life? If you agree with something attributed to Jesus, it reflects your own willpower to live your life that way. It's good if you have a good heart, and morals, but why give the credit to some character in a book of fables? It was you all along...believe in yourself.

Read this - its amazing how Christ can change a persons life.

[QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]Him, well I'll still keep following him. Some guy on a Internet forum isn't going to make me stop :| Hes changed my life like no one else. :)Deity_Slapper

Sorry, I just never understand what people mean when they say Jesus changed their lives, when up to this point he has only existed in your imagination. That's a fact. You've never met him, and you can't since he's dead.

Read bold part. Then prove he's dead. If he's dead, then find he's bones. That's the only way you can be 100% sure that he's dead. But if I remeber correctly from the bible, he was brought to heaven, body and all, after rising from the dead.

You're taking a supposed human experience vs a supposed omnipotent experience. They would be entirely different and one would have no need to learn anything because they'd all ready know everything. You're attempting to persuade millions of people not to believe in a specific religion because you're calling to human experience vs superhuman experience. I don't get it. They aren't the same.

Your argument about how humans learn through experience and mistakes would only be a reasonable argument if you assumed "god", jesus, were just humans. But since they're believed to be divine then why would they learn how we learn and why would they teach how we teach? You're better of making an argument that Jesus was not all knowing, was not god, was not divine and then conclude that since he was just a human he'd be a poor teacher.

But you didn't do that... You just said because humans learn through mistakes and expirence that GOD/Jesus wouldnt' be capiable of teaching us because they aren't human and don't make mistakes.

1. Love God.

2. Love your neighbor.

I don't see anything wrong with that. Although I can understand that some might have a problem with number 1.

Wow. The great mind of an internet poster vs. God.......I think God wins. john_doe2

So by that mentality, we are not allowed to even debate his existance? The medium really doesn't matter.

Get a Life and respect other peoples believes!

People should just keep following for what they believe in, after all, we all die at somepoint and no-one knows what will happen after you have died. If reincarnation actually is true and I get reincarnated then I would probz want to be some super human in the year 3000.

I fail to see the point you are trying to make.Cube_of_MooN

[QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"]I fail to see the point you are trying to make.Jandurin

This is why no one should follow Jesus

DISCLAIMER: This was written using the idea that Jesus is the son of "god", and not "god" in human form.

Anyone with common sense knows that the best teachers/leaders are people who have personally experienced the lessons they are attempting to teach everyone else.

This experience obviously comes from being flawed, making mistakes, and learning from the mistakes. Making mistakes is how we acquire the ability to discern between right and wrong. It's how learn about our own abilities and their limitations, and just how we grow and evolve as people. It's through making mistakes, and facing adversity, that we build our character, and develop our identity.

This is what makes me wonder why so many people would believe in Jesus' teachings and any words he spoke. He was supposedly the only perfect person, and made no mistakes. If that's so, than what would his teachings be worth? What value could his words hold? If he never made a mistake, then he never had any experiences that taught him anything, that in turn, he could share with others.

Plus, I don't even know how anyone would feel connected to someone who is perfect. How could we relate? It's impossible. I think I'd rather hear a person speak whom has had lots of experience, than someone who was just basically born a robot. Robots can't relate to humanity. What could a robot teach humanity? Only an experienced human could have anything to share with his fellow humans about humanity, morals, and life in general.

Would you really listen to anyone who claimed to be the only son of an unproven god anyway? Someone today, making the same claims that Jesus made back then, would instantly be understood to be mentally ill. So why does anyone believe that Jesus was not? Is it because we got used to it, and don't want to change what we've gotten used to, and designed our entire lives around? Is it because we only have so much room for lunacy in our society, that we grandfathered Jesus in, while blocking out any new self-proclaimed messiahs?

Bottom line is, a perfect person isn't someone you would go to for advice, or anything else, because they wouldn't know what to say, from lack of their own experience with GROWING; living and learning, trials and tribulations, character building exercises, or personal soul searching. A perfect person is of no use to a flawed person, as a flawed person couldn't relate to someone unlike himself in matters of the soul, nor would he share anything in common with him, in relation to life experiences. A perfect person roaming the earth for the sole purpose of "saving" the non-perfect people, is pointless. And actually, it's quite ridiculous.

Deity_Slapper

a perfect person is someone who has been through everything and been perfect through it all. a non-perfect person will give you advice that is often not true or slanted in their perspective. Jesus taught us the perfect way to live.

If you had read any of the Bible you would understand that the only way to get to Heaven is to be perfect. Since we all have sinned, we fall short of the glory of God and deserve hell. Jesus came down and lived the perfect lfe for us, and sacrificed himself on our part, so that anyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have everlasting life through Christ Jesus our Lord. Not very pointless or ridiculous if you ask me.

[QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]Him, well I'll still keep following him. Some guy on a Internet forum isn't going to make me stop :| Hes changed my life like no one else. :)Deity_Slapper

He changed your life...in your mind?

Sorry, I just never understand what people mean when they say Jesus changed their lives, when up to this point he has only existed in your imagination. That's a fact. You've never met him, and you can't since he's dead.

Do you realize it was just you that changed your own life? If you agree with something attributed to Jesus, it reflects your own willpower to live your life that way. It's good if you have a good heart, and morals, but why give the credit to some character in a book of fables? It was you all along...believe in yourself.

wow...you really don't get it at all. and Jesus isn't dead, he's alive btw. and it he did not change his life, Jesus did, you can trust me on that, he did the same for me. But more than anything else, when i try to believe in myself as you say, things always go completely and utterly wrong, when i trust Jesus, I actually accomplish things that I would never get done otherwise, but im sure none of that makes sense to you.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"]I fail to see the point you are trying to make.Cube_of_MooN

ShadowFlood, prove that Jesus is alive if you can without saying "it's in the bible".

GabuEx, you apparently didn't read the disclaimer. I understand everything you said, but I was trying to present a different way of looking at it. I'm not trying to de-convert anyone. As I've said before, the main point of my posts is to encourage thinking beyond what people are used to. I do this as a humble (and probably futile) attempt to reverse the damage that religion has done to our society. I'm not delusional, thinking that I'm going to change anyone's mind. I used to be a christian, so I understand their mindstate very well. Was around christians my whole life. Still am. I know how they feel.

LJS, once again, I'm not suprised that you show up just to make a vague bash and then leave. :roll:

d-suhiti, he obviously felt compelled to leave behind his former life on his own after noticing it wasn't doing him any good. He was probably seeking a crutch to help him out, and of course he stumbled upon the most readily available one. Religion. People do that all the time. Now he wears this new persona, tries to act like he's been "saved", when he's really just trying to run away from his prior mistakes.

pspdseagle, try not being a hypocrite. Don't ask me to respect your beliefs if you don't respect mine, which you made clear. Fuuny enough though, I wasn't even bashing anyones' beliefs in this thread.

[QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Cube_of_MooN"]I fail to see the point you are trying to make.Jandurin

Wow TC, u honestly have no idea what your talking about. And all of your arguments are all opinion based and completely illogical. syorks1

This means nothing coming from a person who believes in fantasy. Please...gimme a break. Opinion based? Illogical? What is religion?