good luck feeding your self with your opinion on ghosts and magic. surrealnumber5JK Rowland seems to be doing that just fine.
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]good luck feeding your self with your opinion on ghosts and magic. -Sun_Tzu-JK Rowland seems to be doing that just fine. niche market already filled. i am not against people who want to be authors, but if no one wants to buy, that is not the failure of society as krugmen was saying.
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]good luck feeding your self with your opinion on ghosts and magic. -Sun_Tzu-JK Rowland seems to be doing that just fine.
Who the hell is J.K. Rowland?
JK Rowland seems to be doing that just fine.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]good luck feeding your self with your opinion on ghosts and magic. Heisenderp
Who the hell is J.K. Rowland?
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]good luck feeding your self with your opinion on ghosts and magic. surrealnumber5JK Rowland seems to be doing that just fine. niche market already filled. i am not against people who want to be authors, but if no one wants to buy, that is not the failure of society as krugmen was saying. Niche market? Harry Potter is arguably the most popular book series of the past decade. People of all ages, cultures, ect have either read the novels/seen the movies or are at least familiar with the story. JK Rowland wrote her books for an incredibly broad and diverse audience. In no way could it be considered niche.
You know a culture is pathetic when they consider artistic and human development useless.kuraimenGood point. What do the sweaty science geeks around here have to say about this? Hmmmmmmm
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]You know a culture is pathetic when they consider artistic and human development useless.kuraimenin order to take advantage of luxury services you must have a robustly productive economy. those majors are worthless because the economy is in the tank and people cannot afford to be patrons. In other words everything is subordinate to a concept of productivity and progress. Exactly why I think this system is a failure. It subordinates even human, spiritual and artistic development to production. We have our priorities all backwards. No we don't, you don't understand basic humanity.
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] JK Rowland seems to be doing that just fine.-Sun_Tzu-niche market already filled. i am not against people who want to be authors, but if no one wants to buy, that is not the failure of society as krugmen was saying. Niche market? Harry Potter is arguably the most popular book series of the past decade. People of all ages, cultures, ect have either read the novels/seen the movies or are at least familiar with the story. JK Rowland wrote her books for an incredibly broad and diverse audience. In no way could it be considered niche. Well let's hope the 100,000 people who want to write a book about that kind of topic make over a billion fvcking dollars. Only the good artists/authors/sculptors make the money. We know about Michelangelo but no one gives a shlt about the guy who made a mediocre bust.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] niche market already filled. i am not against people who want to be authors, but if no one wants to buy, that is not the failure of society as krugmen was saying.surrealnumber5Niche market? Harry Potter is arguably the most popular book series of the past decade. People of all ages, cultures, ect have either read the novels/seen the movies or are at least familiar with the story. JK Rowland wrote her books for an incredibly broad and diverse audience. In no way could it be considered niche. it is absolutely niche, there is only one harry potter, there are so few books that make huge impacts. "Heres where Googles engineering talent comes into play. The company used countless algorithms to determine and discard duplicates in an effort that required more than 150 pieces of metadata related to the worlds books to evaluate whether each book record was unique or a duplicate of another. Analyzing this data resulted in 210 million unique books. " of those 210 million books, how many do you even know of? the number of books that are successful is a silly low fraction. pointing to the exception and making it the rule is a fools errand You can apply this to almost all markets.
[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] In other words everything is subordinate to a concept of productivity and progress. Exactly why I think this system is a failure. It subordinates even human, spiritual and artistic development to production. We have our priorities all backwards.kuraimenNo we don't, you don't understand basic humanity. And you do? I have a master degree in cognitive science I've been studying human development and cognitive processes for quite some time now. Let me guess, you're going to give me the economic/Ayn Rand version of humanity: "Humans are selfish creatures who are out there to take care of themselves and their close ones only. We function thanks to a "survival of the fittest" algorithm and anything that questions this is socialism and, therefore, evil.". That is not only poor theory but poor theory from the 50s/60s.
Ok:roll: people don't want to have vanities in these times, they want ot have actual, tangible things. No one cares about art or poetry when they are starving. Not that the situation has gotten that bad, but when you have an oversaturated market of mediocre artists who all they have for their name is a signed piece of paper then they probably won't make a good living.
it is absolutely niche, there is only one harry potter, there are so few books that make huge impacts. "Heres where Googles engineering talent comes into play. The company used countless algorithms to determine and discard duplicates in an effort that required more than 150 pieces of metadata related to the worlds books to evaluate whether each book record was unique or a duplicate of another. Analyzing this data resulted in 210 million unique books. " of those 210 million books, how many do you even know of? the number of books that are successful is a silly low fraction. pointing to the exception and making it the rule is a fools errand You can apply this to almost all markets. the average outcome is far better in most other markets. i am all for people taking that risk, and getting that reward if they make it, but they take that risk on their own. it is their business decision as to how they wish to apply their labor and talents.[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Niche market? Harry Potter is arguably the most popular book series of the past decade. People of all ages, cultures, ect have either read the novels/seen the movies or are at least familiar with the story. JK Rowland wrote her books for an incredibly broad and diverse audience. In no way could it be considered niche. -Sun_Tzu-
That's not true at all. A lot of artists who make the big bucks are horrible at what they do, and many of those who are very good at what they do never receive any large form of monetary compensation for it.Only the good artists/authors/sculptors make the money.
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it is absolutely niche, there is only one harry potter, there are so few books that make huge impacts. "Heres where Googles engineering talent comes into play. The company used countless algorithms to determine and discard duplicates in an effort that required more than 150 pieces of metadata related to the worlds books to evaluate whether each book record was unique or a duplicate of another. Analyzing this data resulted in 210 million unique books. " of those 210 million books, how many do you even know of? the number of books that are successful is a silly low fraction. pointing to the exception and making it the rule is a fools errand You can apply this to almost all markets. No sh*t, but in already over saturated market, how in the hell do you expect that some young idiot with a degree is going to become some hotshot?[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Niche market? Harry Potter is arguably the most popular book series of the past decade. People of all ages, cultures, ect have either read the novels/seen the movies or are at least familiar with the story. JK Rowland wrote her books for an incredibly broad and diverse audience. In no way could it be considered niche. -Sun_Tzu-
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]You can apply this to almost all markets. No sh*t, but in already over saturated market, how in the hell do you expect that some young idiot with a degree is going to become some hotshot? When did I say that was ever my expectation?[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] it is absolutely niche, there is only one harry potter, there are so few books that make huge impacts. "Heres where Googles engineering talent comes into play. The company used countless algorithms to determine and discard duplicates in an effort that required more than 150 pieces of metadata related to the worlds books to evaluate whether each book record was unique or a duplicate of another. Analyzing this data resulted in 210 million unique books. " of those 210 million books, how many do you even know of? the number of books that are successful is a silly low fraction. pointing to the exception and making it the rule is a fools errand ChampionoChumps
[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"]That's not true at all. A lot of artists who make the big bucks are horrible at what they do, and many of those who are very good at what they do never receive any large form of monetary compensation for it. Then those people aren't very good at making money, are they?Only the good artists/authors/sculptors make the money.
-Sun_Tzu-
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"]That's not true at all. A lot of artists who make the big bucks are horrible at what they do, and many of those who are very good at what they do never receive any large form of monetary compensation for it. Then those people aren't very good at making money, are they? Which would mean that creative talent =/= making money, contrary to what you originally said.Only the good artists/authors/sculptors make the money.
ChampionoChumps
[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Klipsh"]...accounting is neither math nor science, and you can make good money (though it is boring). But yeah, math/engineering and science/medicine is where the money is at accounting for financial derivatives, not math? anything with discounting? i will agree for most accounting persons they will never need to know more than how to data entry, but those jobs also dont require a degree at all accounting classes never required more than college algebra for me...which was a severe disappointmentI agree with that list. Sucks for people that aren't good at math and sciences though. Luckily I find that stuff awesome so I knew what I wanted to do.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"] Then those people aren't very good at making money, are they?ChampionoChumpsWhich would mean that creative talent =/= making money, contrary to what you originally said. That, in no way, contradicts what I originally said. If some people don't find your work good then they won't buy it. If they find it so bad that they buy it as a joke, it's still good. If it's awful and no one buys it then it's bad; but that does not mean if you make excellent artwork, that anyone will buy it.
Are you implying that the aesthetical qualities of art can be objectively judged
[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Which would mean that creative talent =/= making money, contrary to what you originally said. -Sun_Tzu-That, in no way, contradicts what I originally said. If some people don't find your work good then they won't buy it. If they find it so bad that they buy it as a joke, it's still good. If it's awful and no one buys it then it's bad; but that does not mean if you make excellent artwork, that anyone will buy it. You can't judge the quality of a book based on its sales figures. That's a blatant appeal to popularity.
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"] That, in no way, contradicts what I originally said. If some people don't find your work good then they won't buy it. If they find it so bad that they buy it as a joke, it's still good. If it's awful and no one buys it then it's bad; but that does not mean if you make excellent artwork, that anyone will buy it.ChampionoChumpsYou can't judge the quality of a book based on its sales figures. That's a blatant appeal to popularity. If something is popular, then that means many folks like it. If it is not, that does not mean it is bad, but it did not sell well. How is that a blatant appeal to authority? I never said that just because something is popular makes it good. I'm talking strictly profits here, not whether or not some artwork is good or bad. "If they find it so bad that they buy it as a joke, it's still good."
I don't see how architecture is useless. Unless we're talking bachelor's degrees that is... You need a Master's to do anything with architecture.Guppy507
Not true. You only need a Bachelor's degree from an accredited program, internship for a few years, then take the licensing exams. The problem is most arch. graduates don't get their license, so they stay draftsmen forever.
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I'm confused on a few, like history, couldn't you use that to get a job as a high school teacher, or a college professor, or some kind of muesem job, or someting on history channel?
Bardock47
Legitimate history teachers can't get a job on the History Channel. You need a degree from a less than reputable college, a weird haircut, and a penchant for alien conspiracy theories to work on the History Channel.
Required pic:Man, I've seen that pic so many times! WHO is him? Does he even know he's face is so overused in forums? LOL
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"] No we don't, you don't understand basic humanity.surrealnumber5And you do? I have a master degree in cognitive science I've been studying human development and cognitive processes for quite some time now. Let me guess, you're going to give me the economic/Ayn Rand version of humanity: "Humans are selfish creatures who are out there to take care of themselves and their close ones only. We function thanks to a "survival of the fittest" algorithm and anything that questions this is socialism and, therefore, evil.". That is not only poor theory but poor theory from the 50s/60s. i am far more humanitarian than you will ever be, i constantly argue for human rights, but i also know people are family creatures not "socialist" ones and not some "kill a baby for a buck" monster. why do you think communes of people work but not communist societies. why do you think you look like an idiot whenever you choose to post?
People are not "family" creatures they are social creatures like all the research ever since even Darwin shows. According to Robin Dunbar our cognitive capacities let us create close relationships with groups of up to 300 people (and no they can't be all "family" since that would destroy the species quickly with imbreeding). That we have larger groups now doesn't mean those basic instincts are dead or should be changed. By renouncing everything that promotes that type of behavior we are not making living with more people easier but harder since we are flatening our social instincts in favor of production processes. Any scientist that study this will say such a thing but don't expect a stupid ideology like those that come from people like Ayn Rand or Margareth Tatcher to understand any of this, they are so stupid that the only way the could interpret Darwin was with the survival of the fittest crap which he never even said, Darwin clearly said we are succesful cooperators and that we became humans thanks to this. The ones who look stupid are those that try to pass ideology for science or human understanding.
i am far more humanitarian than you will ever be, i constantly argue for human rights, but i also know people are family creatures not "socialist" ones and not some "kill a baby for a buck" monster. why do you think communes of people work but not communist societies. why do you think you look like an idiot whenever you choose to post?[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] And you do? I have a master degree in cognitive science I've been studying human development and cognitive processes for quite some time now. Let me guess, you're going to give me the economic/Ayn Rand version of humanity: "Humans are selfish creatures who are out there to take care of themselves and their close ones only. We function thanks to a "survival of the fittest" algorithm and anything that questions this is socialism and, therefore, evil.". That is not only poor theory but poor theory from the 50s/60s.kuraimen
People are not "family" creatures they are social creatures like all the research ever since even Darwin shows. According to Robin Dunbar our cognitive capacities let us create close relationships with groups of up to 300 people (and no they can't be all "family" since that would destroy the species quickly with imbreeding). That we have larger groups now doesn't mean those basic instincts are dead or should be changed. By renouncing everything that promotes that type of behavior we are not making living with more people easier but harder since we are flatening our social instincts in favor of production processes. Any scientist that study this will say such a thing but don't expect a stupid ideology like those that come from people like Ayn Rand or Margareth Tatcher to understand any of this, they are so stupid that the only way the could interpret Darwin was with the survival of the fittest crap which he never even said, Darwin clearly said we are succesful cooperators and that we became humans thanks to this. The ones who look stupid are those that try to pass ideology for science or human understanding.
my use in conjunction with the use of commune and why small groupings work and large ones per you advocate do not shows you did not understand my use of the word family, that being the basis of your argument, my first statement holds true.I'm sorry for attacking the source and being all fallacious n sh*t, but um, this guy is a youtube celebrity. MrPralineIt's from an actual study posted on several other sites too.
BRHD is silly enough to not realize a lot of ppl won't take his thread seriously because he linked to that Defranco c*nt instead of the actual list. :woo:
It's from an actual study posted on several other sites too.[QUOTE="MrPraline"]I'm sorry for attacking the source and being all fallacious n sh*t, but um, this guy is a youtube celebrity. Dystopian-X
BRHD is silly enough to not realize a lot of ppl won't take his thread seriously because he linked to that Defranco c*nt instead of the actual list. :woo:
You'd better hope we don't cross paths, Kitty cat. If we do, I'm going to pet you so hard that you'll be shedding hair all over the place.
It's from an actual study posted on several other sites too.[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]
[QUOTE="MrPraline"]I'm sorry for attacking the source and being all fallacious n sh*t, but um, this guy is a youtube celebrity. BluRayHiDef
BRHD is silly enough to not realize a lot of ppl won't take his thread seriously because he linked to that Defranco c*nt instead of the actual list. :woo:
You'd better hope we don't cross paths, Kitty cat. If we do, I'm going to pet you so hard that you'll be shedding hair all over the place.
later that day.....[spoiler] [/spoiler]
I wouldn't call film useless, well if it means learning about television production and other forms of media anyway; two of my friend's landed a job in London in TV studios i.e. Prime Focus and some small starter company. One who didn't even get fully through a foundation degree (because he found the job). You just need the drive to seek work experience whilst on the degree. Keep looking and you'll get there eventually.
It's from an actual study posted on several other sites too.[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]
[QUOTE="MrPraline"]I'm sorry for attacking the source and being all fallacious n sh*t, but um, this guy is a youtube celebrity. BluRayHiDef
BRHD is silly enough to not realize a lot of ppl won't take his thread seriously because he linked to that Defranco c*nt instead of the actual list. :woo:
You'd better hope we don't cross paths, Kitty cat. If we do, I'm going to pet you so hard that you'll be shedding hair all over the place.
sexual harassment reported ...we don't take kindly to your kind *see krunk*[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"][QUOTE="Dystopian-X"] It's from an actual study posted on several other sites too.
BRHD is silly enough to not realize a lot of ppl won't take his thread seriously because he linked to that Defranco c*nt instead of the actual list. :woo:
rawsavon
You'd better hope we don't cross paths, Kitty cat. If we do, I'm going to pet you so hard that you'll be shedding hair all over the place.
sexual harassment reported ...we don't take kindly to your kind *see krunk* was it dys or sera who had their pics posted? whomever it was they look like they could be my sisters sister, would have posted that over yonder but last i checked i was still suspended.[ sexual harassent reported ...we don't take kindly to your kind *see krunk*rawsavonThis is what I get for trying to help this kind of people ;[
[ was it dys or sera who had their pics posted? whomever it was they look like they could be my sisters sister, would have posted that over yonder but last i checked i was still suspended.surrealnumber5How long have you been suspended?
And not sure which pic you are referring to. Either one could potentially look like your sisters.
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