UFC 134 RIO: Silva Vs. Okami

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#1 Jacen22
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I think that this card has three great main events. My favorite fight being the rematch between Shogun and Forrest.

And fore some reason I think that Silva is going to lose this fight to Okami. Okami has fought him before so he is not going to be mysteriuous to him and Okami has been training with Chael Sonnen.

Any one else got a different opinion?

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#2 Jacen22
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Prelims just got underway on SPIKE.


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#3 Phaze-Two
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okami is a wolf spirit, it's no fair.

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#4 Jacen22
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okami is a wolf spirit, it's no fair.

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#5 KSEfAN420
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Silva over okami 2nd round ko

shogun over forest decision

shaubb over nogeria 1sr round tko

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#6 Fightingfan
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[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

okami is a wolf spirit, it's no fair.

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LMAO

Damn it, you beat me to it. The Sun god is obviously going to win.
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#7 Jacen22
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Silva over okami 2nd round ko

shogun over forest decision

shaubb over nogeria 1sr round tko

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No way Shaub is gonna beat Minotauro, dude has no skill just a killer right hand. Nog is way to experienced to lose to this chump and he can take a punch.

And I think Shogun gonna TKO Griffin. He is fired up to avenge his loss. Gonna look as good as he did in Pride

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#8 KSEfAN420
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[QUOTE="KSEfAN420"]

Silva over okami 2nd round ko

shogun over forest decision

shaubb over nogeria 1sr round tko

Jacen22

No way Shaub is gonna beat Minotauro, dude has no skill just a killer right hand. Nog is way to experienced to lose to this chump and he can take a punch.

And I think Shogun gonna TKO Griffin. He is fired up to avenge his loss. Gonna look as good as he did in Pride

Minotauro is burnt out dude.... shaub might not have the skill but he has hands... and i know shoguns gonna win i just dont think he will finish forest.. forest needs to win this fight to keep his career alive soo his heart is gonna get him though the fight...
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[QUOTE="Jacen22"]

[QUOTE="KSEfAN420"]

Silva over okami 2nd round ko

shogun over forest decision

shaubb over nogeria 1sr round tko

KSEfAN420

No way Shaub is gonna beat Minotauro, dude has no skill just a killer right hand. Nog is way to experienced to lose to this chump and he can take a punch.

And I think Shogun gonna TKO Griffin. He is fired up to avenge his loss. Gonna look as good as he did in Pride

Minotauro is burnt out dude.... shaub might not have the skill but he has hands... and i know shoguns gonna win i just dont think he will finish forest.. forest needs to win this fight to keep his career alive soo his heart is gonna get him though the fight...

Good point on Griffin, he really does need this win. And Minotauro has definitley lost a couple steps, but it would be reaaly sorry to see schaub beat a legend like Minotauro in his own backyard.

If Nog gets Schaub on the ground in his guard, i definitley think Nog can pull it off

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[QUOTE="KSEfAN420"][QUOTE="Jacen22"] No way Shaub is gonna beat Minotauro, dude has no skill just a killer right hand. Nog is way to experienced to lose to this chump and he can take a punch.

And I think Shogun gonna TKO Griffin. He is fired up to avenge his loss. Gonna look as good as he did in Pride

Jacen22

Minotauro is burnt out dude.... shaub might not have the skill but he has hands... and i know shoguns gonna win i just dont think he will finish forest.. forest needs to win this fight to keep his career alive soo his heart is gonna get him though the fight...

Good point on Griffin, he really does need this win. And Minotauro has definitley lost a couple steps, but it would be reaaly sorry to see schaub beat a legend like Minotauro in his own backyard.

If Nog gets Schaub on the ground in his guard, i definitley think Nog can pull it off

yaa.. idk what has happened to forest but sence he lost the title he has lost his flow... forest was a very good fighter 2 or 3 years ago but his last 3 fights dont show any improvment or evolution in his tactics... and yes it would suck to see nog lose to shaub but its time for the new generation of fighters to step up and take out the old guys.. i mean think about it... anderson silva is gonna be gone in 2 to 3 years... all that means is the middleweight ****is gonna be open for the taking...

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those stars after middleweight should say class... its editing for some reason

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i'm hoping Okami will beat Anderson, and i think hes got a good chance after all hes been training with Uncle Chael and The size difference between Okami and Silva is like none so Anderson wont have a size advantage like he does over most opponents.

I think Shogun is actually going to KO griffin the **** out, as much as i love forrest hes facing a Shogun thats not coming striaght off a knee surgery this time and a Shogun whos angry, and Forrest didnt look too good in his fight with Rich so i think Shogun is going to end this soon.

As for Shaub vs Big Nog i truelly hope Nog will win it but the only way he can is if he can take ti tot eh ground and Shaub has big power in his hands but then again if you get hit by any1 in the heavyweight division theres a good chance you'll get KTFO,
Not to mention Nogs granite chin is gone,

I would have liked to see Mirko fight Nog for his final fight at Rio instead of Nelson,

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Currently looking around for sites that host UFC 134 Live Streaming links. Any one find any thats gonna show it and is decent quality?

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That is illegal, support MMA and buy it.
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Can't wait! /Bart Scott
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Side note: this card might actually lose some appeal for me because Rogan isn't calling it. Dude knows his stuff and is very comfortable with the mic.
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Side note: this card might actually lose some appeal for me because Rogan isn't calling it. Dude knows his stuff and is very comfortable with the mic.dodgerblue13
Good point, Rogan is a better commentator and funnier than K-Flo

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Hey,

Thanks for the reminder!

I never miss UFC if I check out GameSpot at night!

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DAMMMNNN!!!! Schaub got knocked the _____ out!!!

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Those last 2 fights were a little off, Griffin looked hella outta shape and got mauled. Okami looked like he wasnt even trying, he just stood there and got jabbed till he fell down, didnt try to shoot or anything, did he not learn anything from Chael....
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NUNCA SERÃO!

NUNCA SERÃO!

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Those last 2 fights were a little off, Griffin looked hella outta shape and got mauled. Okami looked like he wasnt even trying, he just stood there and got jabbed till he fell down, didnt try to shoot or anything, did he not learn anything from Chael....V4LENT1NE
Easier said than done. Silva is just too good. He makes great fighters look like fools. Silva broke his spirit. (Also the kick to the back of the head may still have been an issue.) Regardless, Silva can do that to just about anyone. And Shogun outstriking Forrest isn't really a surprise. Shogun is a boss.
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NUNCA SERÃO!

NUNCA SERÃO!

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kkkkk. Como nenhuma outra torcida do estado consegue fazer. Silva é o melhor lutador de MMA do mundo. O cara é foda.
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[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]Those last 2 fights were a little off, Griffin looked hella outta shape and got mauled. Okami looked like he wasnt even trying, he just stood there and got jabbed till he fell down, didnt try to shoot or anything, did he not learn anything from Chael....dodgerblue13
Easier said than done. Silva is just too good. He makes great fighters look like fools. Silva broke his spirit. (Also the kick to the back of the head may still have been an issue.) Regardless, Silva can do that to just about anyone. And Shogun outstriking Forrest isn't really a surprise. Shogun is a boss.

I fully and 100% believe that GSP would beat Silva. I thought Sonnen was going to destroy Silva in their first fight before it happened. I actually bet money on that fight I was so sure. It was going exactly how I imagined... until the ending. Although I always knew it was a possibility that Sonnen would be submitted because of his suspect submission defense. I think Sonnen can beat Silva, too. He's just gotta not get lazy next time. He started relaxing towards the end and getting lazy and it cost him. He made a rookie mistake thinking he was safe and slacked with his posture. Two ways to beat Silva: 1. Takedowns. Obvious. A great wrestler can put Silva on his back and keep him there. 2. In the stand-up, you HAVE to take the fight to Silva. The reason people get knocked out is because they give his striking too much respect. You have to turn it into a dirty, ugly, fight on the feet and put the pressure on him. Silva needs space to perform and he is a counter striker.. he uses feints and diversions to set up strikes. People who sit on the outside and throw punches sparingly are going to get lit up. You have to pressure him. You can notice that Sonnen did this to great success, and even Maia did this in the later rounds and got the better of Silva when he started getting desperate and pressuring Silva.
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I know. You've said it to me a hundred times it seems. If the secret to beating Silva is lying on top of him for 25 minutes, we all know GSP is one of the top candidates to pull that off. I think GSP is incredible and that he's more well-rounded than Silva, but to get a takedown you have to close the distance and that's hard to do to Silva (else people would do it more often to him). Okami had him on the cage and ended up doing nothing. If GSP can avoid the strikes well enough to take him down and lie on him, then all the power to him. But to think that Silva would not come to fight GSP is ridiculous. DId you see him get into the zone in the second round tonight? Unreal. He's untouchable at times. Dana thinks they're both to the point where they need to fight each other more or less, so maybe it'll happen. Maybe GSP will wrestle**** his way to a decision or maybe Silva will knock him out. Either way I want to see the fight.
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[QUOTE="dodgerblue13"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]Those last 2 fights were a little off, Griffin looked hella outta shape and got mauled. Okami looked like he wasnt even trying, he just stood there and got jabbed till he fell down, didnt try to shoot or anything, did he not learn anything from Chael....BMD004
Easier said than done. Silva is just too good. He makes great fighters look like fools. Silva broke his spirit. (Also the kick to the back of the head may still have been an issue.) Regardless, Silva can do that to just about anyone. And Shogun outstriking Forrest isn't really a surprise. Shogun is a boss.

I fully and 100% believe that GSP would beat Silva. I thought Sonnen was going to destroy Silva in their first fight before it happened. I actually bet money on that fight I was so sure. It was going exactly how I imagined... until the ending. Although I always knew it was a possibility that Sonnen would be submitted because of his suspect submission defense. I think Sonnen can beat Silva, too. He's just gotta not get lazy next time. He started relaxing towards the end and getting lazy and it cost him. He made a rookie mistake thinking he was safe and slacked with his posture. Two ways to beat Silva: 1. Takedowns. Obvious. A great wrestler can put Silva on his back and keep him there. 2. In the stand-up, you HAVE to take the fight to Silva. The reason people get knocked out is because they give his striking too much respect. You have to turn it into a dirty, ugly, fight on the feet and put the pressure on him. Silva needs space to perform and he is a counter striker.. he uses feints and diversions to set up strikes. People who sit on the outside and throw punches sparingly are going to get lit up. You have to pressure him. You can notice that Sonnen did this to great success, and even Maia did this in the later rounds and got the better of Silva when he started getting desperate and pressuring Silva.

Great points, do you think Jon Jones could defeat Silva too?
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seriously, why did okami not try more takedowns? the whole reason i was worried about silva losing was that i figured okami could take him down and not get submitted. i mean, you want to keep him honest with some strikes, but i think everybody would agree that ground and pound is the best chance to beat silva. or even if you dont agree, boxing certainly is certainly not the best chance (especially for okami).
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^^ Okami's last fight, despite it being a snoozer showed that if he boxes from the inside he can get a result. He was doing that early on against Silva and was looking better early on.

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^^ Okami's last fight, despite it being a snoozer showed that if he boxes from the inside he can get a result. He was doing that early on against Silva and was looking better early on.

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okami landed a few, but i dont remember him ever looking better than silva. silva spent his usual first few minutes sizing up okami, but in the second round he lured him right into his game of punch counter punch.
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Better probably isn't the word but I just think if he stayed on the inside and executed more of his boxing he could have done a lot better than 2 rounds.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"]dodgerblue13
I know. You've said it to me a hundred times it seems. If the secret to beating Silva is lying on top of him for 25 minutes, we all know GSP is one of the top candidates to pull that off. I think GSP is incredible and that he's more well-rounded than Silva, but to get a takedown you have to close the distance and that's hard to do to Silva (else people would do it more often to him). Okami had him on the cage and ended up doing nothing. If GSP can avoid the strikes well enough to take him down and lie on him, then all the power to him. But to think that Silva would not come to fight GSP is ridiculous. DId you see him get into the zone in the second round tonight? Unreal. He's untouchable at times. Dana thinks they're both to the point where they need to fight each other more or less, so maybe it'll happen. Maybe GSP will wrestle**** his way to a decision or maybe Silva will knock him out. Either way I want to see the fight.

He is amazing. He really makes himself seem untouchable the way it seems like he toys against opponents. But he really isn't toying like people think he is. He is getting loose and trying to be hard to predict. He does these weird things to get people to react, then he strikes once they react. It's all feints and distractions. GSP is the master at closing the distance. He covers so much ground so quick that it is amazing. That is why he has the highest takedown percentage in the UFC. Not only that, but his timing is so good. Trust me, GSP would take Silva down easier than Sonnen. Sonnen used pure technique and chain wrestling to get Silva down... he's not really an athletic specimen. GSP would use his jab to stay out of range, then when Silva got close and tried to punch, GSP would drop levels and put him on his back. Plus, Silva is terrified of being put on the ground. That is another reason his fights with BJJ/Wrestlers often look so bad. (Leites, Maia, Sonnen). Silva would be much more apprehensive to let his hands go... so as crazy as it sounds, GSP could actually compete on the feet. Is GSP the greatest striker in the WW division? No... yet he ALWAYS out-strikes his opponents. How could this be? It's because he has the takedown threat that causes not only his opponents to not really let their hands go, but they will never throw kicks because of the risk of getting taken down, and it changes their whole style. Not getting taken down is priority #1, and that alone can change your whole style/gameplan, not-to-mention that really takes the focus off of offense. There is always the risk of GSP getting caught... but I feel the fight would be much like the fight with Sonnen. P.S... I've never been impressed with Okami. I've never been impressed with his wrestling, either. People talk about how good of a wrestler he is, but I've never seen him really do much with it. Okami got thrown around like a child against Sonnen, and couldn't do anything against Munoz. Silva's takedown defense is good... good enough to not get taken down by somebody like Okami, but against the best like GSP or Sonnen, he can't overcome that.
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[QUOTE="flowersjf"][QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="dodgerblue13"] Easier said than done. Silva is just too good. He makes great fighters look like fools. Silva broke his spirit. (Also the kick to the back of the head may still have been an issue.) Regardless, Silva can do that to just about anyone. And Shogun outstriking Forrest isn't really a surprise. Shogun is a boss.

I fully and 100% believe that GSP would beat Silva. I thought Sonnen was going to destroy Silva in their first fight before it happened. I actually bet money on that fight I was so sure. It was going exactly how I imagined... until the ending. Although I always knew it was a possibility that Sonnen would be submitted because of his suspect submission defense. I think Sonnen can beat Silva, too. He's just gotta not get lazy next time. He started relaxing towards the end and getting lazy and it cost him. He made a rookie mistake thinking he was safe and slacked with his posture. Two ways to beat Silva: 1. Takedowns. Obvious. A great wrestler can put Silva on his back and keep him there. 2. In the stand-up, you HAVE to take the fight to Silva. The reason people get knocked out is because they give his striking too much respect. You have to turn it into a dirty, ugly, fight on the feet and put the pressure on him. Silva needs space to perform and he is a counter striker.. he uses feints and diversions to set up strikes. People who sit on the outside and throw punches sparingly are going to get lit up. You have to pressure him. You can notice that Sonnen did this to great success, and even Maia did this in the later rounds and got the better of Silva when he started getting desperate and pressuring Silva.

Great points, do you think Jon Jones could defeat Silva too?

Yes. 100%. In fact, he matches up great against Silva. He is a greco wrestler, so he doesn't even have to shoot for double legs. His bread and butter is clinching and taking people down from above the waist. Plus, he's so long that he can keep the distance against Silva until he's ready to close the distance. Of course, Silva is so good that he surely could win the fight, but I'd say the advantage is clearly with Jones.
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Awesome fights.

I'm so happy I was wrong about Brendan Schaub vs Big Nog. My heart said Big Nog, my mind said Schaub. Never gonna go against my heart again.

Shogun owned Forrest and Silva was Silva. I think GSP vs Silva would end up as a disaster for GSP.

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Silva v GSP will never happen because of gate and PPV numbers alone. The only way one of them could lose and not drop 50% in box appeal would be if it went the distance and both of them looked good. If someone lost badly they would plummet in draw potential and White would have given up 1 of 2 big draws for the sake of one gigantic ( probably record breaking ) event.

Granted it would set up the inevitable rematch series which would never see a 3rd fight unless the result was different the 2nd time.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="flowersjf"][QUOTE="BMD004"]I fully and 100% believe that GSP would beat Silva. I thought Sonnen was going to destroy Silva in their first fight before it happened. I actually bet money on that fight I was so sure. It was going exactly how I imagined... until the ending. Although I always knew it was a possibility that Sonnen would be submitted because of his suspect submission defense. I think Sonnen can beat Silva, too. He's just gotta not get lazy next time. He started relaxing towards the end and getting lazy and it cost him. He made a rookie mistake thinking he was safe and slacked with his posture. Two ways to beat Silva: 1. Takedowns. Obvious. A great wrestler can put Silva on his back and keep him there. 2. In the stand-up, you HAVE to take the fight to Silva. The reason people get knocked out is because they give his striking too much respect. You have to turn it into a dirty, ugly, fight on the feet and put the pressure on him. Silva needs space to perform and he is a counter striker.. he uses feints and diversions to set up strikes. People who sit on the outside and throw punches sparingly are going to get lit up. You have to pressure him. You can notice that Sonnen did this to great success, and even Maia did this in the later rounds and got the better of Silva when he started getting desperate and pressuring Silva.

Great points, do you think Jon Jones could defeat Silva too?

Yes. 100%. In fact, he matches up great against Silva. He is a greco wrestler, so he doesn't even have to shoot for double legs. His bread and butter is clinching and taking people down from above the waist. Plus, he's so long that he can keep the distance against Silva until he's ready to close the distance. Of course, Silva is so good that he surely could win the fight, but I'd say the advantage is clearly with Jones.

Well said, I personally think Jones has a better chance of beating Silva than GSP since Jones is more athletic and more well-rounded in my opinion than GSP. Hopefully down the road we can see a fight like that happen since Silva seems like he's invincible in his weight class.
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Well said, I personally think Jones has a better chance of beating Silva than GSP since Jones is more athletic and more well-rounded in my opinion than GSP. Hopefully down the road we can see a fight like that happen since Silva seems like he's invincible in his weight class.flowersjf
I honestly think GSP is both more athletic and (undoubtedly) more well-rounded than Bones. I can see Silva counter-striking the wild strikes from Bones. I can also imagine Bones taking down Silva and landing illegal blows for the duration of the fight since he clearly doesn't understand (or respect) the rules. Back to Silva vs. GSP, I really only see that ending two ways. Silva being able to outstrike GSP and end the fight early or GSP controlling Silva to a decision.
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[QUOTE="dodgerblue13"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]Those last 2 fights were a little off, Griffin looked hella outta shape and got mauled. Okami looked like he wasnt even trying, he just stood there and got jabbed till he fell down, didnt try to shoot or anything, did he not learn anything from Chael....BMD004
Easier said than done. Silva is just too good. He makes great fighters look like fools. Silva broke his spirit. (Also the kick to the back of the head may still have been an issue.) Regardless, Silva can do that to just about anyone. And Shogun outstriking Forrest isn't really a surprise. Shogun is a boss.

I fully and 100% believe that GSP would beat Silva. I thought Sonnen was going to destroy Silva in their first fight before it happened. I actually bet money on that fight I was so sure. It was going exactly how I imagined... until the ending. Although I always knew it was a possibility that Sonnen would be submitted because of his suspect submission defense. I think Sonnen can beat Silva, too. He's just gotta not get lazy next time. He started relaxing towards the end and getting lazy and it cost him. He made a rookie mistake thinking he was safe and slacked with his posture. Two ways to beat Silva: 1. Takedowns. Obvious. A great wrestler can put Silva on his back and keep him there. 2. In the stand-up, you HAVE to take the fight to Silva. The reason people get knocked out is because they give his striking too much respect. You have to turn it into a dirty, ugly, fight on the feet and put the pressure on him. Silva needs space to perform and he is a counter striker.. he uses feints and diversions to set up strikes. People who sit on the outside and throw punches sparingly are going to get lit up. You have to pressure him. You can notice that Sonnen did this to great success, and even Maia did this in the later rounds and got the better of Silva when he started getting desperate and pressuring Silva.

only gsp is ducking anderson and will never fight him. he has the thoughest fight of his career coming up with the likes of DAN HARDY and such. no time for anderson. maybe when anderson is 45 he'll take the fight. but i dont blame him though. i wouldn't want to fight anderson either
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#40 theycallmeRP
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That was an awesome PPV last night. That said, I don't see Silva vs. GSP happening anytime soon. And if it did, GSP does not have the striking ability that Silva has. The Spider is a class of his own standing and he would just take his time to figure out how GSP likes to move and precision strike him to a TKO. GSP is great, but Silva's long limbs would be the deciding factor.

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#41 Chutebox
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Yay Shogun!

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#42 BMD004
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That was an awesome PPV last night. That said, I don't see Silva vs. GSP happening anytime soon. And if it did, GSP does not have the striking ability that Silva has. The Spider is a class of his own standing and he would just take his time to figure out how GSP likes to move and precision strike him to a TKO. GSP is great, but Silva's long limbs would be the deciding factor.

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Silva only has like an inch and a half reach advantage...
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#43 Chutebox
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seriously, why did okami not try more takedowns? the whole reason i was worried about silva losing was that i figured okami could take him down and not get submitted. i mean, you want to keep him honest with some strikes, but i think everybody would agree that ground and pound is the best chance to beat silva. or even if you dont agree, boxing certainly is certainly not the best chance (especially for okami).LoG-Sacrament
Because Okami couldn't even get near him. If you go for a take down at the distance they were at, bad things will happen to you.
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[QUOTE="lloveLamp"][QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="dodgerblue13"] Easier said than done. Silva is just too good. He makes great fighters look like fools. Silva broke his spirit. (Also the kick to the back of the head may still have been an issue.) Regardless, Silva can do that to just about anyone. And Shogun outstriking Forrest isn't really a surprise. Shogun is a boss.

I fully and 100% believe that GSP would beat Silva. I thought Sonnen was going to destroy Silva in their first fight before it happened. I actually bet money on that fight I was so sure. It was going exactly how I imagined... until the ending. Although I always knew it was a possibility that Sonnen would be submitted because of his suspect submission defense. I think Sonnen can beat Silva, too. He's just gotta not get lazy next time. He started relaxing towards the end and getting lazy and it cost him. He made a rookie mistake thinking he was safe and slacked with his posture. Two ways to beat Silva: 1. Takedowns. Obvious. A great wrestler can put Silva on his back and keep him there. 2. In the stand-up, you HAVE to take the fight to Silva. The reason people get knocked out is because they give his striking too much respect. You have to turn it into a dirty, ugly, fight on the feet and put the pressure on him. Silva needs space to perform and he is a counter striker.. he uses feints and diversions to set up strikes. People who sit on the outside and throw punches sparingly are going to get lit up. You have to pressure him. You can notice that Sonnen did this to great success, and even Maia did this in the later rounds and got the better of Silva when he started getting desperate and pressuring Silva.

only gsp is ducking anderson and will never fight him. he has the thoughest fight of his career coming up with the likes of DAN HARDY and such. no time for anderson. maybe when anderson is 45 he'll take the fight. but i dont blame him though. i wouldn't want to fight anderson either

GSP is fighting Nick Diaz... the Strikeforce champion who is on a 10 fight win streak. And before this fight, he fought Jake Shields, the Strikeforce MIDDLEWEIGHT champion who vacated his title to come to the UFC, who destroyed Dan Henderson (who just destroyed Fedor), Okami, Condit, etc, and was on a 15 fight win streak not having lost since 2005... but GSP is taking easy fights? Let's take a look at GSP's fights since he won back the championship: Jon Fitch, BJ Penn, Thiago Alves, Dan Hardy, Josh Koscheck, Jake Shields and now Nick Diaz. The only "easy" fight there is Hardy. Anderson fought Patrick Cote in his past 7 fights... so they're even.
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#45 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="lloveLamp"][QUOTE="BMD004"]I fully and 100% believe that GSP would beat Silva. I thought Sonnen was going to destroy Silva in their first fight before it happened. I actually bet money on that fight I was so sure. It was going exactly how I imagined... until the ending. Although I always knew it was a possibility that Sonnen would be submitted because of his suspect submission defense. I think Sonnen can beat Silva, too. He's just gotta not get lazy next time. He started relaxing towards the end and getting lazy and it cost him. He made a rookie mistake thinking he was safe and slacked with his posture. Two ways to beat Silva: 1. Takedowns. Obvious. A great wrestler can put Silva on his back and keep him there. 2. In the stand-up, you HAVE to take the fight to Silva. The reason people get knocked out is because they give his striking too much respect. You have to turn it into a dirty, ugly, fight on the feet and put the pressure on him. Silva needs space to perform and he is a counter striker.. he uses feints and diversions to set up strikes. People who sit on the outside and throw punches sparingly are going to get lit up. You have to pressure him. You can notice that Sonnen did this to great success, and even Maia did this in the later rounds and got the better of Silva when he started getting desperate and pressuring Silva.

only gsp is ducking anderson and will never fight him. he has the thoughest fight of his career coming up with the likes of DAN HARDY and such. no time for anderson. maybe when anderson is 45 he'll take the fight. but i dont blame him though. i wouldn't want to fight anderson either

GSP is fighting Nick Diaz... the Strikeforce champion who is on a 10 fight win streak. And before this fight, he fought Jake Shields, the Strikeforce MIDDLEWEIGHT champion who vacated his title to come to the UFC, who destroyed Dan Henderson (who just destroyed Fedor), Okami, Condit, etc, and was on a 15 fight win streak not having lost since 2005... but GSP is taking easy fights? Let's take a look at GSP's fights since he won back the championship: Jon Fitch, BJ Penn, Thiago Alves, Dan Hardy, Josh Koscheck, Jake Shields and now Nick Diaz. The only "easy" fight there is Hardy. Anderson fought Patrick Cote in his past 7 fights... so they're even.

He did not destroy Fedor...
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="lloveLamp"] only gsp is ducking anderson and will never fight him. he has the thoughest fight of his career coming up with the likes of DAN HARDY and such. no time for anderson. maybe when anderson is 45 he'll take the fight. but i dont blame him though. i wouldn't want to fight anderson either

GSP is fighting Nick Diaz... the Strikeforce champion who is on a 10 fight win streak. And before this fight, he fought Jake Shields, the Strikeforce MIDDLEWEIGHT champion who vacated his title to come to the UFC, who destroyed Dan Henderson (who just destroyed Fedor), Okami, Condit, etc, and was on a 15 fight win streak not having lost since 2005... but GSP is taking easy fights? Let's take a look at GSP's fights since he won back the championship: Jon Fitch, BJ Penn, Thiago Alves, Dan Hardy, Josh Koscheck, Jake Shields and now Nick Diaz. The only "easy" fight there is Hardy. Anderson fought Patrick Cote in his past 7 fights... so they're even.

He did not destroy Fedor...

Ok... he knocked Fedor out cold in less than a round... but he didn't destroy him.
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="BMD004"]GSP is fighting Nick Diaz... the Strikeforce champion who is on a 10 fight win streak. And before this fight, he fought Jake Shields, the Strikeforce MIDDLEWEIGHT champion who vacated his title to come to the UFC, who destroyed Dan Henderson (who just destroyed Fedor), Okami, Condit, etc, and was on a 15 fight win streak not having lost since 2005... but GSP is taking easy fights? Let's take a look at GSP's fights since he won back the championship: Jon Fitch, BJ Penn, Thiago Alves, Dan Hardy, Josh Koscheck, Jake Shields and now Nick Diaz. The only "easy" fight there is Hardy. Anderson fought Patrick Cote in his past 7 fights... so they're even. BMD004
He did not destroy Fedor...

Ok... he knocked Fedor out cold in less than a round... but he didn't destroy him.

No, he didn't even do that. He got a really good punch in after surviving Fedor, then the stupid ref never gave Fedor a chance to do anything. It was an early stoppage. Stopping the fight with who is known as the best recovery fighter was pure garbage.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] He did not destroy Fedor...Chutebox

Ok... he knocked Fedor out cold in less than a round... but he didn't destroy him.

No, he didn't even do that. He got a really good punch in after surviving Fedor, then the stupid ref never gave Fedor a chance to do anything. It was an early stoppage. Stopping the fight with who is known as the best recovery fighter was pure garbage.

Fedor was out cold. He went limp. They showed the replay from the front angle and Fedor was CLEARLY knocked out cold.. the follow up punches brought Fedor's consciousness back. Once you go out, you're done. It was not an early stoppage. I'll find a GIF in a minute to prove it.
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#49 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]Ok... he knocked Fedor out cold in less than a round... but he didn't destroy him. BMD004

No, he didn't even do that. He got a really good punch in after surviving Fedor, then the stupid ref never gave Fedor a chance to do anything. It was an early stoppage. Stopping the fight with who is known as the best recovery fighter was pure garbage.

Fedor was out cold. He went limp. They showed the replay from the front angle and Fedor was CLEARLY knocked out cold.. the follow up punches brought Fedor's consciousness back. Once you go out, you're done. It was not an early stoppage. I'll find a GIF in a minute to prove it.

Lol, no he wasn't. I've seen it from so many angles so many times. He was never cold. He did face plant, but turned right away and tried to position himself after that. Not gonna get into it more here, it's over and I'm tired of arguing about it.
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#50 BMD004
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Here's one:

Fedor gets hit and is knocked out cold. Hendo hits him twice while he is limp, then Hendo's shots wake Fedor up and he turns over and keeps fighting.

In fact, something similar happened just last night with Forrest Griffin. Griffin was knocked out COLD after one of the hammer fists, then another hammer fist woke him right back up and he kept trying to defend.

It happens quite often. But once you go limp, you are done.