Uganda Plans to Execute G@ys with new bill.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Can you name a western country that does the same thing as Uganda? Preferably, a first world country.LJS9502_basic

no this isnt about "doing the same"

its about doing something wrong.

I believe not giving people universal healthcare is wrong, i believe going to war is wrong, i believe torturing people is wrong.

Im sure many people believe this. But we simply accept it when our own government does it.

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thats why i used my example. If we want to follow some idealistic view, then please, at least practice what you preach. If we dont do that. Then i cant blame Uganda for doing something wrong.

Simply because Uganda is going something wrong in "our (the west's) opinion. Just like America for example, is doing something wrong in my opinion, and im pretty sure Norway's opinion aswell.

War is not always wrong. Sometimes it's necessary.

Torture....well I'd have to see what you consider torture first.

You dont have the same view as me, thats nice. But its not the point of the argument.

I wasent asking for people to agree or disagree. I was saying there are many who agree with me.

Does that mean we should invade the USA simply to help their people get a better life?

Like i said, practice what you preach.

going to war is wrongHalf-Way

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

no this isnt about "doing the same"

its about doing something wrong.

I believe not giving people universal healthcare is wrong, i believe going to war is wrong, i believe torturing people is wrong.

Im sure many people believe this. But we simply accept it when our own government does it.

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thats why i used my example. If we want to follow some idealistic view, then please, at least practice what you preach. If we dont do that. Then i cant blame Uganda for doing something wrong.

Simply because Uganda is going something wrong in "our (the west's) opinion. Just like America for example, is doing something wrong in my opinion, and im pretty sure Norway's opinion aswell.

Half-Way

War is not always wrong. Sometimes it's necessary.

Torture....well I'd have to see what you consider torture first.

You dont have the same view as me, thats nice. But its not the point of the argument.

I wasent asking for people to agree or disagree. I was saying there are many who agree with me.

Does that mean we should invade the USA simply to help their people get a better life?

Like i said, practice what you preach.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"] going to war is wrongVerge_6

thats nice.

Several slave owners said slavery was fine.

I should probably trust them aswell instead of having my own opinion on it.

While im at it, i should probably downgrade myself to the stoneage and simply start hitting people with rocks whenever i disagree with them.

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[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

sooo

you assumed i was talking about America

and i asumed you thought i was being negative?

Half-Way

So what country (or countries) were you talking about when you were talking about people defending their own "crazy governments"?

obviously every country with an superiority complex. Which are many. Especially in the west.

Which ones specifically?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Healthcare is available.....if you are too poor to afford it...the government picks up the tab. Otherwise you purchase it. If you prefer to spend your money on items other than healthcare then you deal with the consequences.

War is not always wrong. Sometimes it's necessary.

Torture....well I'd have to see what you consider torture first.

LJS9502_basic

You dont have the same view as me, thats nice. But its not the point of the argument.

I wasent asking for people to agree or disagree. I was saying there are many who agree with me.

Does that mean we should invade the USA simply to help their people get a better life?

Like i said, practice what you preach.

Well I guess it's pretty easy if you're the one who decides that :P .

I signed that petition a few days ago. I know it really has little to zero effect on the situation, but still.

Oh, and inb4lock. The discussions in this thread are insane.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Half-Way"] going to war is wrongHalf-Way

thats nice.

Several slave owners said slavery was fine.

I should probably trust them aswell instead of having my own opinion on it.

While im at it, i should probably downgrade myself to the stoneage and simply start hitting people with rocks whenever i disagree with them.

Bad anologies are bad, m'kay? Despite saying going to war is always wrong, methinks you'd say different if this little tidbit of Norwegian history was still going on to this day.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Healthcare is available.....if you are too poor to afford it...the government picks up the tab. Otherwise you purchase it. If you prefer to spend your money on items other than healthcare then you deal with the consequences.

War is not always wrong. Sometimes it's necessary.

Torture....well I'd have to see what you consider torture first.

LJS9502_basic

You dont have the same view as me, thats nice. But its not the point of the argument.

I wasent asking for people to agree or disagree. I was saying there are many who agree with me.

Does that mean we should invade the USA simply to help their people get a better life?

Like i said, practice what you preach.

you missed the argument again...

This is why you shouldn't be too protective of your own government. It keeps you from viewing things in a more objective manner.

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the argument is;

"since my "views" on right and wrong, are more idealistic and "peaceful", should i invade the USA to teach them how a civilized man does his work?"

if you disagree with that,

you can aswell disagree with the fact that the EU or the USA should invade Uganda. Because of your countries views on things.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] Several significant conflicts say otherwise.Verge_6

thats nice.

Several slave owners said slavery was fine.

I should probably trust them aswell instead of having my own opinion on it.

While im at it, i should probably downgrade myself to the stoneage and simply start hitting people with rocks whenever i disagree with them.

Bad anologies are bad, m'kay? Despite saying going to war is always wrong, methinks you'd say different if this little tidbit of Norwegian history was still going on to this day.

the difference between me and you is simple, i dont support my government if it does something wrong.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

thats nice.

Several slave owners said slavery was fine.

I should probably trust them aswell instead of having my own opinion on it.

While im at it, i should probably downgrade myself to the stoneage and simply start hitting people with rocks whenever i disagree with them.

Half-Way

Bad anologies are bad, m'kay? Despite saying going to war is always wrong, methinks you'd say different if this little tidbit of Norwegian history was still going on to this day.

the difference between me and you is simple, i dont support my government if it does something wrong.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

thats nice.

Several slave owners said slavery was fine.

I should probably trust them aswell instead of having my own opinion on it.

While im at it, i should probably downgrade myself to the stoneage and simply start hitting people with rocks whenever i disagree with them.

Half-Way

Bad anologies are bad, m'kay? Despite saying going to war is always wrong, methinks you'd say different if this little tidbit of Norwegian history was still going on to this day.

the difference between me and you is simple, i dont support my government if it does something wrong.

How do you know he supports his government when it does something wrong?

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Bad anologies are bad, m'kay? Despite saying going to war is always wrong, methinks you'd say different if this little tidbit of Norwegian history was still going on to this day.

GreySeal9

the difference between me and you is simple, i dont support my government if it does something wrong.

How do you know he supports his government when it does something wrong?

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Bad anologies are bad, m'kay? Despite saying going to war is always wrong, methinks you'd say different if this little tidbit of Norwegian history was still going on to this day.

GreySeal9

the difference between me and you is simple, i dont support my government if it does something wrong.

How do you know he supports his government when it does something wrong?

i do it like everyone else does it on a Forum. I look at the posts he makes.

If a government isn't afraid to kill gay people, I doubt it's going to care much about a petition.

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[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

the difference between me and you is simple, i dont support my government if it does something wrong.

Half-Way

How do you know he supports his government when it does something wrong?

i do it like everyone else does it on a Forum. I look at the posts he makes.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

How do you know he supports his government when it does something wrong?

Verge_6

i do it like everyone else does it on a Forum. I look at the posts he makes.

of course i have, just like you missed mine when i criticized governments as a whole, and considered myself to be an individualist that isnt affected by silly things like race, country or the way you drink your milkshake.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

You dont have the same view as me, thats nice. But its not the point of the argument.

I wasent asking for people to agree or disagree. I was saying there are many who agree with me.

Does that mean we should invade the USA simply to help their people get a better life?

Like i said, practice what you preach.

Half-Way

you missed the argument again...

This is why you shouldn't be too protective of your own government. It keeps you from viewing things in a more objective manner.

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the argument is;

"since my "views" on right and wrong, are more idealistic and "peaceful", should i invade the USA to teach them how a civilized man does his work?"

if you disagree with that,

you can aswell disagree with the fact that the EU or the USA should invade Uganda. Because of your countries views on things.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

i do it like everyone else does it on a Forum. I look at the posts he makes.

Half-Way

of course i have, just like you missed mine when i criticized governments as a whole, and considered myself to be an individualist that isnt affected by silly things like race, country or the way you drink your milkshake.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]There is a vast difference between the funding of medical treatment and the death penalty. Not even close to analogous.LJS9502_basic

you missed the argument again...

This is why you shouldn't be too protective of your own government. It keeps you from viewing things in a more objective manner.

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the argument is;

"since my "views" on right and wrong, are more idealistic and "peaceful", should i invade the USA to teach them how a civilized man does his work?"

if you disagree with that,

you can aswell disagree with the fact that the EU or the USA should invade Uganda. Because of your countries views on things.

but that isnt the debate here.

We are talking about "right" and "wrong". And all of my examples fall into the "wrong" category. Just like killing g@y people.

If your own view tells you that war, torture and not helping people is "right". Then thats your opinion. Just like Ugandas opinion to kill g@ys is fine.

But i consider both to be wrong.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] Sooo, you conveniently missed the ones where I criticize the operations in the Mid-East, then?Verge_6

of course i have, just like you missed mine when i criticized governments as a whole, and considered myself to be an individualist that isnt affected by silly things like race, country or the way you drink your milkshake.

nice try, but why else would you use the "norway did bad things too" argument?

why else would you use the "norway did bad things too" argument?Half-Way

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

you missed the argument again...

This is why you shouldn't be too protective of your own government. It keeps you from viewing things in a more objective manner.

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the argument is;

"since my "views" on right and wrong, are more idealistic and "peaceful", should i invade the USA to teach them how a civilized man does his work?"

if you disagree with that,

you can aswell disagree with the fact that the EU or the USA should invade Uganda. Because of your countries views on things.

Half-Way

but that isnt the debate here.

We are talking about "right" and "wrong". And all of my examples fall into the "wrong" category. Just like killing g@y people.

If your own view tells you that war, torture and not helping people is "right". Then thats your opinion. Just like Ugandas opinion to kill g@ys is fine.

But i consider both to be wrong.

And vis a vis your example about invading the US.....negates the fact that you stated you were peaceful.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"] why else would you use the "norway did bad things too" argument?Verge_6

lmao, i just clicked the link now :lol: it wasn't what i expected. It seemed to me like you linked some stuff norway did in the past or something.

Well i guess i have to apologize, seems like i misinterpreted the whole thing :oops:

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But i should probably give you an anwser to the situation anyways, since i blindly misinterpreted the whole thing.

Going to war on a country, and defending yourself are two different things. So i would obviously support norway if the occupation was still going on :P

...if there are any gays in Uganda at all.Crimsader

i was thinking the same thing. nice avatar BTW. i like Agonoize.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No I didn't miss the argument. You tried to turn this thread into taking more digs at the US. And what I'm saying is that what Uganda proposes is not even remotely similar to disagreement over government policy.LJS9502_basic

but that isnt the debate here.

We are talking about "right" and "wrong". And all of my examples fall into the "wrong" category. Just like killing g@y people.

If your own view tells you that war, torture and not helping people is "right". Then thats your opinion. Just like Ugandas opinion to kill g@ys is fine.

But i consider both to be wrong.

And vis a vis your example about invading the US.....negates the fact that you stated you were peaceful.

facepalm.jpg, i used it as an example. To ilustrate the USA in the position that Uganda has now.

Okey il play your little game of "make up exceptions as to when bad things can be justified"

USA invaded Iraq, and lied to the public. Should the EU have stepped in, and invaded America to stop their evil doing ways?

This is used as an analogy to the "Uganda did something wrong, should country X invade Uganda"

[QUOTE="Crimsader"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]And this is why we need a UN with actual power to stand up for human rights and equality.ionusX

if you could stop a country from annihilating itself or oppressing tis people with every law under the sun would you do it?

its becoming the favorite excuse for invading countires lately.

lol cultural relativism.

Wasn't the entire arguement behind that defeated years ago?

I believe homosexuality should be illegal. Punished with death? Sometimes. I'm 100% serious.

dunl12496

You know, sometimes I don't like homosexuals either, but even I wouldn't go that far.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

but that isnt the debate here.

We are talking about "right" and "wrong". And all of my examples fall into the "wrong" category. Just like killing g@y people.

If your own view tells you that war, torture and not helping people is "right". Then thats your opinion. Just like Ugandas opinion to kill g@ys is fine.

But i consider both to be wrong.

Half-Way

And vis a vis your example about invading the US.....negates the fact that you stated you were peaceful.

facepalm.jpg, i used it as an example. To ilustrate the USA in the position that Uganda has now.

Okey il play your little game of "make up exceptions as to when bad things can be justified"

USA invaded Iraq, and lied to the public. Should the EU have stepped in, and invaded America to stop their evil doing ways?

This is used as an analogy to the "Uganda did something wrong, should country X invade Uganda"

I believe homosexuality should be illegal. Punished with death? Sometimes. I'm 100% serious.

dunl12496

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]

I believe homosexuality should be illegal. Punished with death? Sometimes. I'm 100% serious.

airshocker

You know, I don't much like homosexuality, but even I wouldn't go that far.

i dont see what business you guys have with what other people do in their bedroom :|

i dont see what business you guys have with what other people do in their bedroom :|

Half-Way

I don't see what business you have when it comes to my feelings. :|

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Needed health care is not denied. You simply fund the healthcare differently. There is no "right" and "wrong". Some may feel it's the individuals responsibility to provide for themselves and taking tax money off others for their care is wrong. As for war....some are justified and thus not wrong. Torture...well individuals all have different opinions on what constitutes torture so there is no clear concensus. So they don't fall into the same category as the death penalty as a sentence for orientation.

And vis a vis your example about invading the US.....negates the fact that you stated you were peaceful.

LJS9502_basic

facepalm.jpg, i used it as an example. To ilustrate the USA in the position that Uganda has now.

Okey il play your little game of "make up exceptions as to when bad things can be justified"

USA invaded Iraq, and lied to the public. Should the EU have stepped in, and invaded America to stop their evil doing ways?

This is used as an analogy to the "Uganda did something wrong, should country X invade Uganda"

the example is simple.

"country A does something wrong, should country B invade it"

and by wrong, i dont mean your opinion on wrong, i mean mine. I dont make excuses for aggressors in war.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

i dont see what business you guys have with what other people do in their bedroom :|

airshocker

I don't see what business you have when it comes to my feelings. :|

none ;)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

facepalm.jpg, i used it as an example. To ilustrate the USA in the position that Uganda has now.

Okey il play your little game of "make up exceptions as to when bad things can be justified"

USA invaded Iraq, and lied to the public. Should the EU have stepped in, and invaded America to stop their evil doing ways?

This is used as an analogy to the "Uganda did something wrong, should country X invade Uganda"

Half-Way

the example is simple.

"country A does something wrong, should country B invade it"

and by wrong, i dont mean your opinion on wrong, i mean mine. I dont make excuses for aggressors in war.

none ;)

Half-Way

I find it kind of weird you would single my post out, granted it sounded a little more negative than I meant it to, and not the other guys. I think your priorities are a bit missed up.

I believe homosexuality should be illegal. Punished with death? Sometimes. I'm 100% serious.

dunl12496

I believe homosexuality should be illegal. Punished with death? Sometimes. I'm 100% serious.

dunl12496

I dun mind .... but again, it's a human life ..... if only we can find somethin or a cure to deal with homosexuality.omho88

I dun mind .... but again, it's a human life ..... if only we can find somethin or a cure to deal with homosexuality.omho88

Homosexuality does not need a cure:|

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Which doesn't make it a good example no matter the reason you used it. LJS9502_basic

the example is simple.

"country A does something wrong, should country B invade it"

and by wrong, i dont mean your opinion on wrong, i mean mine. I dont make excuses for aggressors in war.

well i agree with that. But when it comes to the loss of a human life, the waters become darker. And there arent many excuses to light them up.

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I would say that starting a war on a country by lying to the people is wrong, no matter how willing you are to let it slide.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

the example is simple.

"country A does something wrong, should country B invade it"

and by wrong, i dont mean your opinion on wrong, i mean mine. I dont make excuses for aggressors in war.

Half-Way

well i agree with that. But when it comes to the loss of a human life, the waters become darker. And there arent many excuses to light them up.

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I would say that starting a war on a country by lying to the people is wrong, no matter how willing you are to let it slide.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

none ;)

airshocker

I find it kind of weird you would single my post out, granted it sounded a little more negative than I meant it to, and not the other guys. I think your priorities are a bit missed up.

believe it or not, it wasn't my intention. The quoting always glitches, i would have never singled you out.

If you want i can try to fix it. This wouldnt be the first time when GS glitched . Sometimes I even quote myself for no apparent reason.

It always happens right before i post, and press the submit button.