UNESCO recognizes Palestine as a State, US withdraws funding

Palestine was admitted into The United nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization becomming the first branch of the UN to recognize palestine as a Independent country. And as Stated in the title(and previously threatened). US immediatly withdrew funding from UNESCO. The vot was 107 to 14 for palestine with 52 abstaining from voting including the UK.

Thoughts? What does this mean for the future Vote on Nov. 11th? is this a sign the US is losing influence? and, do you support or condemn the results?

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle09.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2011/October/middleeast_October664.xml§ion=middleeast

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The US had been pushing for a 2 state solution for years. Not sure why they would try to hinder it now. Stupid lobbyists.

U mad USA?

The US had been pushing for a 2 state solution for years. Not sure why they would try to hinder it now. Stupid lobbyists.

sonicare

The US has a restriction on funding any UN body that recognizes Palestine as a state before an agreement is reached between Israel and Palestine. This restriction was put in place by Congress and has been in place for years.

meh , nothing important, its UNESCO , nothing else, it does not present any threat to me.

the only thing this lets them do is try and get sites in Israel to be registered as Palestinian heritige sites, at which point I would recoomend to simply leave UNESCO , it does little to help anyways.

though frankly until the rockets from Gaza stop , I can't support a Palestinian state, as I do not want to give legitimacy to those who want me dead.

U mad USA?

CJL13

Great decision, and completedly expected reaction. Didn't get their way so took their ball and went home.

I'm ashamed that my own country (Canada) was one of the 14 who voted against it.

IDK why either. They say its because Palestine is acting Unilaterally but the PA stated hundreds of times that they will go back into negotiations. the Actual text of the UN bid even says that negotiations will commence on the bases of he 1967 borders. So in reality there is no reason they should be saying no or vetoing it.mayceV

With redicilous preconditions that is. So in reality they have said quiete the opposite

TAKE THAT ISRAEL. rmfd341

The first of many steps into the right direction. If only the US & friends really were as diplomatic as they like to suggest, maybe then they would be acting like kids when things don't go their way.

Oh, and,...

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle09.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2011/October/middleeast_October664.xml§ion=middleeast

link is allowed :/ , but now there seems to be an error on the website.

[QUOTE="mayceV"]IDK why either. They say its because Palestine is acting Unilaterally but the PA stated hundreds of times that they will go back into negotiations. the Actual text of the UN bid even says that negotiations will commence on the bases of he 1967 borders. So in reality there is no reason they should be saying no or vetoing it.SquirrelTamer

With redicilous preconditions that is. So in reality they have said quiete the opposite

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]

[QUOTE="mayceV"]IDK why either. They say its because Palestine is acting Unilaterally but the PA stated hundreds of times that they will go back into negotiations. the Actual text of the UN bid even says that negotiations will commence on the bases of he 1967 borders. So in reality there is no reason they should be saying no or vetoing it.sircyrus

With redicilous preconditions that is. So in reality they have said quiete the opposite

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]

[QUOTE="mayceV"]IDK why either. They say its because Palestine is acting Unilaterally but the PA stated hundreds of times that they will go back into negotiations. the Actual text of the UN bid even says that negotiations will commence on the bases of he 1967 borders. So in reality there is no reason they should be saying no or vetoing it.sircyrus

With redicilous preconditions that is. So in reality they have said quiete the opposite

1) It is not their territory in the first place and has never been

2) It is not illegal

3) Israel froze them completely for 10 months and have said they are ready to freeze them with the exception for natural growth indefinitely

4) Israel has offered to freeze them withoutnatural growth in exchange for recognition of their state by the PA.

5) The PA also has another precondition that say they will only negotiate if the are promised pretty much 100% of their desired territory before negotiations, which would complely undermine the purpose of having negotiation in the first place.

In short they're not interested in negotiating. If they were they would negotiate as we speak. What is happening though as we speak is Israel being attacked on a daily basis. How about that for a precondition? Cease fire first.

Ok for some reason everything is bold but whateva

Much of the world would disagree you with on the settlements not being illegal. Even the Israeli laws consider them illegal, hence why Netanyahu announced 2 weeks ago that they're going to look into finding a way to legalize the settlement outposts.

And if Israel said they'd freeze their settlement construction, why did they announce new settlement construction more than once in recent months? The peace talks were derailed 2 years ago when the week before the talks were supposed to begin, Israel announced new settlement construction knowing full well that the Palestinians would be ticked off. They intentionally sabotaged the talks before they even started, and are preventing them from being able to come back to the table.

In regards to the attacks, I think you're confusing the PA with Hamas.

And as the leaked negotiation documents showed, it isn't the PA who is being uncooperative and unwilling to negotiate. Quite the opposite. Even the US is criticizing Israel for it's settlements derailing the peace process.

Much of the world would disagree you with on the settlements not being illegal. Even the Israeli laws consider them illegal, hence why Netanyahu announced 2 weeks ago that they're going to look into finding a way to legalize the settlement outposts.

And if Israel said they'd freeze their settlement construction, why did they announce new settlement construction more than once in recent months? The peace talks were derailed 2 years ago when the week before the talks were supposed to begin, Israel announced new settlement construction knowing full well that the Palestinians would be ticked off. They intentionally sabotaged the talks before they even started, and are preventing them from being able to come back to the table.

In regards to the attacks, I think you're confusing the PA with Hamas.

And as the leaked negotiation documents showed, it isn't the PA who is being uncooperative and unwilling to negotiate. Quite the opposite. Even the US is criticizing Israel for it's settlements derailing the peace process.

sircyrus

and yet, you cannot answer my question , what happens when the rockets land on Tel Aviv, which will happen if Israel leaves the West Bank just like that, it happend in Gaza, and it will happen in the West Bank.

and then people wonder why the Israeli public can be skeptical about these things, the world is basically tells us "you all can die for all we care, since we can't be bothered solving your problem"

youre talking about the Palestinians getting "ticked off" due to settlement building, well we get "ticked off" because of rockets that are landing in Israel as we speak , were "ticked off" that half the Palestinian government essentially says we don't exist (thats when they don't spout off propeganda about Jews on TV)

I hope shadowmoses logs on soon. I could use some quality entertainment. cybrcatter

[QUOTE="sircyrus"]

Much of the world would disagree you with on the settlements not being illegal. Even the Israeli laws consider them illegal, hence why Netanyahu announced 2 weeks ago that they're going to look into finding a way to legalize the settlement outposts.

And if Israel said they'd freeze their settlement construction, why did they announce new settlement construction more than once in recent months? The peace talks were derailed 2 years ago when the week before the talks were supposed to begin, Israel announced new settlement construction knowing full well that the Palestinians would be ticked off. They intentionally sabotaged the talks before they even started, and are preventing them from being able to come back to the table.

In regards to the attacks, I think you're confusing the PA with Hamas.

And as the leaked negotiation documents showed, it isn't the PA who is being uncooperative and unwilling to negotiate. Quite the opposite. Even the US is criticizing Israel for it's settlements derailing the peace process.

Darkman2007

and yet, you cannot answer my question , what happens when the rockets land on Tel Aviv, which will happen if Israel leaves the West Bank just like that, it happend in Gaza, and it will happen in the West Bank.

and then people wonder why the Israeli public can be skeptical about these things, the world is basically tells us "you all can die for all we care, since we can't be bothered solving your problem"

Wont giving them land make them less hostile?

Much of the world would disagree you with on the settlements not being illegal. Even the Israeli laws consider them illegal, hence why Netanyahu announced 2 weeks ago that they're going to look into finding a way to legalize the settlement outposts.

And if Israel said they'd freeze their settlement construction, why did they announce new settlement construction more than once in recent months? The peace talks were derailed 2 years ago when the week before the talks were supposed to begin, Israel announced new settlement construction knowing full well that the Palestinians would be ticked off. They intentionally sabotaged the talks before they even started, and are preventing them from being able to come back to the table.

In regards to the attacks, I think you're confusing the PA with Hamas.

And as the leaked negotiation documents showed, it isn't the PA who is being uncooperative and unwilling to negotiate. Quite the opposite. Even the US is criticizing Israel for it's settlements derailing the peace process.

sircyrus

I don't care what the world dissagree with. Israeli law consider some outposts illegal not all the settlements as a whole.

No if you read what I said they would freeze them with natural growth if the PA would agree to negotiate and without natural growth in exchange for recognition. Lol Israel is "preventing" them from coming back? At the UN a few weeks ago Netanyahu just said they're in the same country, city and house why can't you come and negotiate? Maybe it was secret mossad squirrels stopping him with their infamous insidiousness.

I didn't say it was the PA. But Hamas is suppose to represent the palestinians so they shouldn't be that easily neglected.

"even the US"? So what what's that got to do with anything? They critizise Israel alot. so what? And leaked documents show nothing. And what relevance though they have now with Abbas avoiding talks more than death?

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="sircyrus"]

Much of the world would disagree you with on the settlements not being illegal. Even the Israeli laws consider them illegal, hence why Netanyahu announced 2 weeks ago that they're going to look into finding a way to legalize the settlement outposts.

And if Israel said they'd freeze their settlement construction, why did they announce new settlement construction more than once in recent months? The peace talks were derailed 2 years ago when the week before the talks were supposed to begin, Israel announced new settlement construction knowing full well that the Palestinians would be ticked off. They intentionally sabotaged the talks before they even started, and are preventing them from being able to come back to the table.

In regards to the attacks, I think you're confusing the PA with Hamas.

And as the leaked negotiation documents showed, it isn't the PA who is being uncooperative and unwilling to negotiate. Quite the opposite. Even the US is criticizing Israel for it's settlements derailing the peace process.

gaming25

and yet, you cannot answer my question , what happens when the rockets land on Tel Aviv, which will happen if Israel leaves the West Bank just like that, it happend in Gaza, and it will happen in the West Bank.

and then people wonder why the Israeli public can be skeptical about these things, the world is basically tells us "you all can die for all we care, since we can't be bothered solving your problem"

Wont giving them land make them less hostile?

we did it in Gaza, left completely, and yet there you go , rockets are still coming from Gaza, in fact they increased since Israel left manyfold.

there are organisations in the Palestinian society that frankly want me dead no matter what I give them , like Hamas or Islamic Jihad, and frankly they have more power on the ground than Fatah.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="sircyrus"]

Much of the world would disagree you with on the settlements not being illegal. Even the Israeli laws consider them illegal, hence why Netanyahu announced 2 weeks ago that they're going to look into finding a way to legalize the settlement outposts.

And if Israel said they'd freeze their settlement construction, why did they announce new settlement construction more than once in recent months? The peace talks were derailed 2 years ago when the week before the talks were supposed to begin, Israel announced new settlement construction knowing full well that the Palestinians would be ticked off. They intentionally sabotaged the talks before they even started, and are preventing them from being able to come back to the table.

In regards to the attacks, I think you're confusing the PA with Hamas.

And as the leaked negotiation documents showed, it isn't the PA who is being uncooperative and unwilling to negotiate. Quite the opposite. Even the US is criticizing Israel for it's settlements derailing the peace process.

gaming25

and yet, you cannot answer my question , what happens when the rockets land on Tel Aviv, which will happen if Israel leaves the West Bank just like that, it happend in Gaza, and it will happen in the West Bank.

and then people wonder why the Israeli public can be skeptical about these things, the world is basically tells us "you all can die for all we care, since we can't be bothered solving your problem"

Wont giving them land make them less hostile?

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

and yet, you cannot answer my question , what happens when the rockets land on Tel Aviv, which will happen if Israel leaves the West Bank just like that, it happend in Gaza, and it will happen in the West Bank.

and then people wonder why the Israeli public can be skeptical about these things, the world is basically tells us "you all can die for all we care, since we can't be bothered solving your problem"

Darkman2007

Wont giving them land make them less hostile?

we did it in Gaza, left completely, and yet there you go , rockets are still coming from Gaza, in fact they increased since Israel left manyfold.

there are organisations in the Palestinian society that frankly want me dead no matter what I give them , like Hamas or Islamic Jihad, and frankly they have more power on the ground than Fatah.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

Wont giving them land make them less hostile?

SquirrelTamer

we did it in Gaza, left completely, and yet there you go , rockets are still coming from Gaza, in fact they increased since Israel left manyfold.

there are organisations in the Palestinian society that frankly want me dead no matter what I give them , like Hamas or Islamic Jihad, and frankly they have more power on the ground than Fatah.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGNmHAcEE-s

here it is, a member of Fatah speaking on Al Jazeera, essentially admitting the goal is to destroy Israel, and that the peace process is just one step towards that goal.

if it wasn't for the rockets and threats like these, I would support the creation of a Palestinian state based on the fact that being there is an economic burden and the simple concept of "who needs them".

its also a matter of responsibility for them , being a state is both a privilage and a responsibility, and if they attack me as a state, its a different story as they can't cry occupation.

but I can't have peace with them , if they talk to me in 2 different voices.

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

we did it in Gaza, left completely, and yet there you go , rockets are still coming from Gaza, in fact they increased since Israel left manyfold.

there are organisations in the Palestinian society that frankly want me dead no matter what I give them , like Hamas or Islamic Jihad, and frankly they have more power on the ground than Fatah.

Darkman2007

Not really a surprise at all :lol: also he pretty much saying all of Jerusalem is a settlement including beyound the green line. Maybe a small error but still.

I also agree cause the economic burden is too big for Israel to carry. In fact the whole situation is. That's the whole reason PA is stalling the talks. Cause they don't want 67 borders. They want to be free... from the river to the sea.

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

we did it in Gaza, left completely, and yet there you go , rockets are still coming from Gaza, in fact they increased since Israel left manyfold.

there are organisations in the Palestinian society that frankly want me dead no matter what I give them , like Hamas or Islamic Jihad, and frankly they have more power on the ground than Fatah.

Darkman2007

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGNmHAcEE-s

here it is, a member of Fatah speaking on Al Jazeera, essentially admitting the goal is to destroy Israel, and that the peace process is just one step towards that goal.

if it wasn't for the rockets and threats like these, I would support the creation of a Palestinian state based on the fact that being there is an economic burden and the simple concept of "who needs them".

its also a matter of responsibility for them , being a state is both a privilage and a responsibility, and if they attack me as a state, its a different story as they can't cry occupation.

but I can't have peace with them , if they talk to me in 2 different voices.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"] And Fatah want you dead too. They're just not as honest as Hamas.SquirrelTamer

Not really a surprise at all :lol: also he pretty much saying all of Jerusalem is a settlement including beyound the green line. Maybe a small error but still.

I also agree cause the economic burden is too big for Israel to carry. In fact the whole situation is. That's the whole reason PA is stalling the talks. Cause they don't want 67 borders. They want to be free... from the river to the sea.

"even the US"? So what what's that got to do with anything? They critizise Israel alot.SquirrelTamer

And leaked documents show nothing. SquirrelTamer

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]"even the US"? So what what's that got to do with anything? They critizise Israel alot.sircyrus

And leaked documents show nothing. SquirrelTamer

whenever the us "withdraws funding" i am for it, the rest of this thread does not matter to me.surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]whenever the us "withdraws funding" i am for it, the rest of this thread does not matter to me.Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]whenever the us "withdraws funding" i am for it, the rest of this thread does not matter to me.Ace6301

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]whenever the us "withdraws funding" i am for it, the rest of this thread does not matter to me.Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]whenever the us "withdraws funding" i am for it, the rest of this thread does not matter to me.surrealnumber5

Great decision, and completedly expected reaction. Didn't get their way so took their ball and went home.

I'm ashamed that my own country (Canada) was one of the 14 who voted against it.

sircyrus

Same here. Shameful day.

The US had been pushing for a 2 state solution for years. Not sure why they would try to hinder it now. Stupid lobbyists.

sonicare

This is at best lip service.. AIPEC, the Zionist lobby, is one of the most powerful lobbiests in the United States.. The closest thing any president has ever done in the past few decades when it comes to Israel is slap them on the wrists, anything actually amounting to real policy change is nonexistent.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] thats something else entirely, but if youre going to drop the 3 billion to Israel , you might as well drop all money given to other countries. though like I said, the problems go deeper than that, its right down to the banking system as you knowDarkman2007

Or what about, lets not support Israel when they are in fact committing war crimes and breaking international law for the past few decades?

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i am for cutting all gifts too other countries.sSubZerOo

Or what about, lets not support Israel when they are in fact committing war crimes and breaking international law for the past few decades?