*UPDATED* O'Reilly blasts NPR for firing Juan Williams - video link included

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WASHINGTON — Longtime news analyst Juan Williams, who has written extensively on race and civil rights, has been fired by NPR after saying on the Fox News Channel that he gets nervous when he sees people in Muslim garb on an airplane.

NPR issued a statement late Wednesday saying his contract as a senior news analyst was being terminated after Williams' comments Monday on "The O'Reilly Factor."

Host Bill O'Reilly brought on guests to discuss his own appearance last week on ABC's "The View" during which Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg walked off the set in protest of O'Reilly's views on Muslims.

"Where am I going wrong here, Juan?" O'Reilly asked.

Williams, 56, responded that too much political correctness can get in the way of reality.

"I mean, look, Bill, I'm not a bigot. You know the kind of books I've written about the Civil Rights movement in this country," Williams said. "But when I get on a plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous."

Story here

Wow.:o

**Update**

NPR CEO Schiller said whatever feelings Williams has about Muslims should be between him and "his psychiatrist or his publicist — take your pick." In a post later on NPR's website — where comments were heavily against Williams' firing — she apologized for making the "thoughtless" psychiatrist remark.

On his Thursday broadcast, O'Reilly blasted NPR for what he called "a disgraceful decision" and called on Schiller to resign.

"Ms. Schiller is a pinhead," said O'Reilly.

O'Reilly said Williams was merely describing how he felt, and that "millions of Americans feel the same way."

Williams appeared shaken during an appearance on the show, and when shown Schiller's videotaped comments about him talking to a psychiatrist, asked incredulously: "Now I'm mentally unstable?"

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O'Reilly defends Juan Williams video link

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How dare he have an opinion that doesn't coincide with his employer! Banish him to the tarpits!!
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How dare he give his opinion.

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That's not right. Juan is a good dude. I'm more conservative, and I believe he's more of a Democrat, but I like Juan. He's just speaking the truth. Even if it's not something you say out loud and talk about, if you see somebody in a turban or something in an airport, the thought of terrorism pops into EVERYBODY's head, whether they acknowledge it or not.

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That's not right. Juan is a good dude. I'm more conservative, and I believe he's more of a Democrat, but I like Juan. He's just speaking the truth. Even if it's not something you say out loud and talk about, if you see somebody in a turban or something in an airport, the thought of terrorism pops into EVERYBODY's head, whether they acknowledge it or not.

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I feel the same way. I like it when Juan hosts The O'Reilly Factor. NPR made the wrong move.
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If i ever have to get on an airplane and happen to be wearing a skull cap or wearing Saudi clothes.

and i see quivering eyes. i just wanna say.

"Boo... get over yourself"

I can't find the Yahoo version of the article. but isn't it ironic that a white person gets all nervous if they see a black guy walking who looks anything like gangster (be they just a fake on for dress up alone) and gets all nervous. and if it becomes an issue or problem, they'll preach to the mountain tops racism.

...........

Should not of been fired for it though, should of been rebuked for it, but that's all.

but i've also heard what Juan Williams has said about the Muslim community in the past... so this does not really surprise me.

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I dont understand this one. He shouldnt have been fired. Oh well, who will pick him up?

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That's not right. Juan is a good dude. I'm more conservative, and I believe he's more of a Democrat, but I like Juan. He's just speaking the truth. Even if it's not something you say out loud and talk about, if you see somebody in a turban or something in an airport, the thought of terrorism pops into EVERYBODY's head, whether they acknowledge it or not.

BMD004

I'm betting that Fox News will hire him on a permanent basis.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"]

That's not right. Juan is a good dude. I'm more conservative, and I believe he's more of a Democrat, but I like Juan. He's just speaking the truth. Even if it's not something you say out loud and talk about, if you see somebody in a turban or something in an airport, the thought of terrorism pops into EVERYBODY's head, whether they acknowledge it or not.

topsemag55

I'm betting that Fox News will hire him on a permanent basis.

and if they do.... we'll see if his true colors show.
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If i ever have to get on an airplane and happen to be wearing a skull cap or wearing Saudi clothes.

and i see quivering eyes. i just wanna say.

"Boo... get over yourself"

I can't find the Yahoo version of the article. but isn't it ironic that a white person gets all nervous if they see a black guy walking who looks anything like gangster (be they just a fake on for dress up alone) and gets all nervous. and if it becomes an issue or problem, they'll preach to the mountain tops racism.

...........

Should not of been fired for it though, should of been rebuked for it, but that's all.

but i've also heard what Juan Williams has said about the Muslim community in the past... so this does not really surprise me.

SaudiFury
People have certain stereotypes and profiles that they are wary of. Ever seen Dave Chappelle's routine about profiling? I'll paraphrase. "You're at a bar or a club, and you see a girl, and she looks good. Not good in the traditional sense. But good as in her ass is hanging out, and her boobs are all mashed together, popping out the top of her turtle neck and ****. (Then Dave calls her over in a very unflattering way). And she says "Just because I am dressed this way, does NOT make me a whore". And Dave tells the audience that this is true... she certainly may not have been a whore. But, she's definitely wearing a whore's uniform, that's all I'm saying.
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And the PC police strike again.

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[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

If i ever have to get on an airplane and happen to be wearing a skull cap or wearing Saudi clothes.

and i see quivering eyes. i just wanna say.

"Boo... get over yourself"

I can't find the Yahoo version of the article. but isn't it ironic that a white person gets all nervous if they see a black guy walking who looks anything like gangster (be they just a fake on for dress up alone) and gets all nervous. and if it becomes an issue or problem, they'll preach to the mountain tops racism.

...........

Should not of been fired for it though, should of been rebuked for it, but that's all.

but i've also heard what Juan Williams has said about the Muslim community in the past... so this does not really surprise me.

BMD004

People have certain stereotypes and profiles that they are wary of. Ever seen Dave Chappelle's routine about profiling? I'll paraphrase. "You're at a bar or a club, and you see a girl, and she looks good. Not good in the traditional sense. But good as in her ass is hanging out, and her boobs are all mashed together, popping out the top of her turtle neck and ****. (Then Dave calls her over in a very unflattering way). And she says "Just because I am dressed this way, does NOT make me a whore". And Dave tells the audience that this is true... she certainly may not have been a whore. But, she's definitely wearing a whore's uniform, that's all I'm saying.

so..... sexualized clothing = culure/religious clothing.

k......

I'm not bending to the will of stereotypes and if they got a problem with that because i 'wear the uniform' then they can go **** off the racist ****s.

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And the PC police strike again.

Pirate700

This has nothing to do with PC this is capitalism.. Free speech doesn't factor into this, the business has every right to protect their profits if they feel the statements of their employees can lead to profit loss.

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He is right about how PC the world is becoming...and someday that will bit the world in the backside.
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And the PC police strike again.

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Yeah, it's pretty damn annoying. :x
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And the PC police strike again.

Pirate700

I think old Juan is grinning about now, as he'll always have a job at Fox.:lol:

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He is right about how PC the world is becoming...and someday that will bit the world in the backside. LJS9502_basic
No, that will bite the world in the ass. :P
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

And the PC police strike again.

sSubZerOo

This has nothing to do with PC this is capitalism.. Free speech doesn't factor into this, the business has every right to protect their profits if they feel the statements of their employees can lead to profit loss.

This has EVERYTHING to do with PCism. If they didn't think this was offensive, they wouldn't have fired him.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

And the PC police strike again.

sSubZerOo

This has nothing to do with PC this is capitalism.. Free speech doesn't factor into this, the business has every right to protect their profits if they feel the statements of their employees can lead to profit loss.

So a supermarket that I work at could fire me if I establish a farmstand on my own time?
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It's about time.
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He is right about how PC the world is becoming...and someday that will bit the world in the backside. LJS9502_basic

You mean it will be like the 1950s again?

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

And the PC police strike again.

topsemag55

I think old Juan is grinning about now, as he'll always have a job at Fox.:lol:

Pretty much. He'll get an even better full time job at Fox News and never look back. He'll probably be offered his old job back anyway with the backlash this is getting.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

And the PC police strike again.

sSubZerOo

This has nothing to do with PC this is capitalism.. Free speech doesn't factor into this, the business has every right to protect their profits if they feel the statements of their employees can lead to profit loss.

I thought NPR was a publicly funded non-profit organization?

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

And the PC police strike again.

Oleg_Huzwog

This has nothing to do with PC this is capitalism.. Free speech doesn't factor into this, the business has every right to protect their profits if they feel the statements of their employees can lead to profit loss.

I thought NPR was a publicly funded non-profit organization?

The plot thickens...
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He is right about how PC the world is becoming...and someday that will bit the world in the backside. sSubZerOo

You mean it will be like the 1950s again?

Ah straw man. No I mean extremes are never the answer....
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[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

And the PC police strike again.

Pirate700

I think old Juan is grinning about now, as he'll always have a job at Fox.:lol:

Pretty much. He'll get an even better full time job at Fox News and never look back. He'll probably be offered his old job back anyway with the backlash this is getting.

Hey Pirate, you know Hannity will get a lot of mileage out of this story...how much you want to bet he'll have Juan on his show?:lol:

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he had every right to make a comment no matter what anyone thinks of said comment....this is a publically funded entity.....and lets face it..he's speaking about what many (right or wrong)...are feeling...
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

I think old Juan is grinning about now, as he'll always have a job at Fox.:lol:

topsemag55

Pretty much. He'll get an even better full time job at Fox News and never look back. He'll probably be offered his old job back anyway with the backlash this is getting.

Hey Pirate, you know Hannity will get a lot of mileage out of this story...how much you want to bet he'll have Juan on his show?:lol:

I'm sure he'll be on all their shows. I know he's going to be on BO's.

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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

This has nothing to do with PC this is capitalism.. Free speech doesn't factor into this, the business has every right to protect their profits if they feel the statements of their employees can lead to profit loss.

FragStains

I thought NPR was a publicly funded non-profit organization?

The plot thickens...

Its a umbrella program that still gets the majority of its funds from the private companies that pay them.. SO yet again, if they see people that are threatening to cut back their profits in which a private company is going to pull out.. They can do so.. Its not a completely public program.

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I like Juan Williams so this sucks. People aren't allowed to express their opinions anymore... nice
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[QUOTE="FragStains"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

I thought NPR was a publicly funded non-profit organization?

sSubZerOo

The plot thickens...

Its a umbrella program that still gets the majority of its funds from the private companies that pay them.. SO yet again, if they see people that are threatening to cut back their profits in which a private company is going to pull out.. They can do so.. Its not a completely public program.

And the non-profit part?

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His Wikipedia article appears to be experiencing vandalism: "Williams joined the Fox News Channel as an Uncle Tom in 1997."
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I like Juan Williams so this sucks. People aren't allowed to express their opinions anymore... nicetestfactor888
And on a news opinion show, no less.
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I like Juan Williams so this sucks. People aren't allowed to express their opinions anymore... nicetestfactor888

Not to worry...Fox will help him out...I'm willing to bet that Juan doesn't even care, as he knows he'll have a spot on Fox.:D

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="FragStains"]The plot thickens...Oleg_Huzwog

Its a umbrella program that still gets the majority of its funds from the private companies that pay them.. SO yet again, if they see people that are threatening to cut back their profits in which a private company is going to pull out.. They can do so.. Its not a completely public program.

And the non-profit part?

I sense a contradiction here....
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="FragStains"]The plot thickens...Oleg_Huzwog

Its a umbrella program that still gets the majority of its funds from the private companies that pay them.. SO yet again, if they see people that are threatening to cut back their profits in which a private company is going to pull out.. They can do so.. Its not a completely public program.

And the non-profit part?

Less then 20% last I checked.. The radical majority is through private companies that pay to have their station on it.. You can't seriously try to defend as if its freedom of speech because NPR operates like a business.. Its just like how basic cable works..

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Its a umbrella program that still gets the majority of its funds from the private companies that pay them.. SO yet again, if they see people that are threatening to cut back their profits in which a private company is going to pull out.. They can do so.. Its not a completely public program.

sSubZerOo
except that it's a non-profit organization......yes private companies have DONATED to them.....there is no threat of money withdraw...
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Its a umbrella program that still gets the majority of its funds from the private companies that pay them.. SO yet again, if they see people that are threatening to cut back their profits in which a private company is going to pull out.. They can do so.. Its not a completely public program.

Omni-Slash
except that it's a non-profit organization......yes private companies have DONATED to them.....there is no threat of money withdraw...

It's not a donation, it's underwriting, essentially a commercial-type relationship, not to split hairs. Edit: For anyone upset by this, during the Bush administration, an ombudsman was appointed for NPR who can be reached here, so that is a venue for making your displeasure known.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Its a umbrella program that still gets the majority of its funds from the private companies that pay them.. SO yet again, if they see people that are threatening to cut back their profits in which a private company is going to pull out.. They can do so.. Its not a completely public program.

Omni-Slash
except that it's a non-profit organization......yes private companies have DONATED to them.....there is no threat of money withdraw...

I do have a problem with them censoring him when he isn't speaking through them.....individual opinions are just that.
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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Its a umbrella program that still gets the majority of its funds from the private companies that pay them.. SO yet again, if they see people that are threatening to cut back their profits in which a private company is going to pull out.. They can do so.. Its not a completely public program.

xaos
except that it's a non-profit organization......yes private companies have DONATED to them.....there is no threat of money withdraw...

It's not a donation, it's underwriting, essentially a commercial-type relationship, not to split hairs.

You seem to be splitting....:P
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[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

If i ever have to get on an airplane and happen to be wearing a skull cap or wearing Saudi clothes.

and i see quivering eyes. i just wanna say.

"Boo... get over yourself"

I can't find the Yahoo version of the article. but isn't it ironic that a white person gets all nervous if they see a black guy walking who looks anything like gangster (be they just a fake on for dress up alone) and gets all nervous. and if it becomes an issue or problem, they'll preach to the mountain tops racism.

...........

Should not of been fired for it though, should of been rebuked for it, but that's all.

but i've also heard what Juan Williams has said about the Muslim community in the past... so this does not really surprise me.

SaudiFury

People have certain stereotypes and profiles that they are wary of. Ever seen Dave Chappelle's routine about profiling? I'll paraphrase. "You're at a bar or a club, and you see a girl, and she looks good. Not good in the traditional sense. But good as in her ass is hanging out, and her boobs are all mashed together, popping out the top of her turtle neck and ****. (Then Dave calls her over in a very unflattering way). And she says "Just because I am dressed this way, does NOT make me a whore". And Dave tells the audience that this is true... she certainly may not have been a whore. But, she's definitely wearing a whore's uniform, that's all I'm saying.

so..... sexualized clothing = culure/religious clothing.

k......

I'm not bending to the will of stereotypes and if they got a problem with that because i 'wear the uniform' then they can go **** off the racist ****s.

You don't have to bend to the will of stereotypes. But don't be surprised when people give you funny looks. It's not racist. This is how humans associate things. If there weren't so many gangsters who wore white tees, baggy jeans, bandana, etc, then nobody would think anything of somebody who wore that. So when somebody looks like one of those people, how do you expect them to react? People hear all about the terrorism from the middle east, and then 9/11 happened in an airport, now people look funny at middle eastern people in airports. It is just negative association. All humans do it. If there is a rash of murders and terrorism around the country by emo kids, then people will look funny at emo kids, even if you aren't a murderer. If some white guy walks in with a tattered shirt, wrangler jeans, missing teeth, dirty, unkempt, mullet, etc... then my first thought is going to be white trash. He may be a rich business man for all I know. But the fact is that he looks like white trash. It's not racist. Humans naturally just like to categorize things to make sense of their surroundings. And you do it too. We all do.
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It's not a donation, it's underwriting, essentially a commercial-type relationship, not to split hairs.xaos
roughly the same thing.....but I get ya...
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[QUOTE="xaos"] It's not a donation, it's underwriting, essentially a commercial-type relationship, not to split hairs.Omni-Slash
roughly the same thing.....but I get ya...

Yeah, the reason I see it as distinct is that the underwriters have their names publicly associated, which is why I see it as a more commercial relationship, just as advertisers have pulled support from opinion makers who have voiced unpopular opinions. I do wonder how we know that this is the actual reason he was fired. My years of listening to NPR, I've heard much more provocative statements from across the ideological spectrum expressed on the show. I suspect we aren't getting the entire story.
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Expressing your opinion is one thing, but opinions like "people who identify themselves first and foremost as muslims make me worried and nervous" isn't exactly expert political commentary.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Its a umbrella program that still gets the majority of its funds from the private companies that pay them.. SO yet again, if they see people that are threatening to cut back their profits in which a private company is going to pull out.. They can do so.. Its not a completely public program.

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except that it's a non-profit organization......yes private companies have DONATED to them.....there is no threat of money withdraw...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Radio#FundingThe wiki article is pretty indepth with reliable sources.. Its a mixture.. Its not just a it includes private organizations and businesses as well.. Its a umbrella system.

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Expressing your opinion is one thing, but opinions like "people who identify themselves first and foremost as muslims make me worried and nervous" isn't exactly expert political commentary. -Sun_Tzu-
But he wasn't on his employers time then....and an opinion is well...an opinion. He didn't call out Muslims per se. Just said they make him nervous. Some people are that way about groups they are not familiar with....

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#47 Omni-Slash
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Expressing your opinion is one thing, but opinions like "people who identify themselves first and foremost as muslims make me worried and nervous" isn't exactly expert political commentary. -Sun_Tzu-
nore was he claiming it to be....it is a way that some people feel though..he wasn;t saying that it was right to feel that way.....when we stop talking about things because of fear of being labeled .....nothing good can come of it...
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] except that it's a non-profit organization......yes private companies have DONATED to them.....there is no threat of money withdraw...LJS9502_basic
It's not a donation, it's underwriting, essentially a commercial-type relationship, not to split hairs.

You seem to be splitting....:P

No not quite.. The private radio stations under them do this as well as pay dues and other costs.. Its not 100% nonprofit.. the majority of the money is paid through the said dues and related things.. Either way this is nothing new, NPR has done this before and acted like a private business..

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Expressing your opinion is one thing, but opinions like "people who identify themselves first and foremost as muslims make me worried and nervous" isn't exactly expert political commentary. -Sun_Tzu-
You need to know the context in which he was saying it. He also pointed out that it wasn't an opinion to be proud of or anything.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Expressing your opinion is one thing, but opinions like "people who identify themselves first and foremost as muslims make me worried and nervous" isn't exactly expert political commentary. LJS9502_basic
But he wasn't on his employers time then....

Yeah, and it's not like the statement was being broadcast to millions of people.