*UPDATED* O'Reilly blasts NPR for firing Juan Williams - video link included

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:| Fox is in no way different to these kinds of things, they have their media strategies just like every one else.

Sajo7

Fox News gave a lot of respect to Juan Williams...they didn't "bash him" for being a liberal, nor for the fact that he worked for NPR.

Christ, they hired him to anchor O'Reilly a bunch of times - NPR would never do that. ba-dumm-tsshh.:P

Fox puts on both sides of an issue with guests from both sides, "We report, you decide". NPR, CNN, MSNBC only touts one ideology, never both sides to allow an informed decision.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="topsemag55"]

Fox News gave a lot of respect to Juan Williams...they didn't "bash him" for being a liberal, nor for the fact that he worked for NPR.

Christ, they hired him to anchor O'Reilly a bunch of times - NPR would never do that. ba-dumm-tsshh.:P

topsemag55

Fox puts on both sides of an issue with guests from both sides, "We report, you decide". NPR, CNN, MSNBC only touts one ideology, never both sides to allow an informed decision.

You're being disingenuous.

1. Fox has an obvious conservative slant. They don't not tout liberalism in any form. They may allow liberal guests, but that doesn't mean they are nuetral.

2. CNN has way less of a slant and is more neutral. Also, conservative guests have been on CNN plenty of times.

3. MSNBC has had conservative guests on their programs, but you're not about see me tell myself that they are neutral.

4. Why are you wearing rose-tinted glasses when it comes to Fox? Why would you even kid yourself about that. The fact that you tout their slogan is over-the-top to be honest. I mean, you should at least try to get paid for that.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="topsemag55"]

Fox News gave a lot of respect to Juan Williams...they didn't "bash him" for being a liberal, nor for the fact that he worked for NPR.

Christ, they hired him to anchor O'Reilly a bunch of times - NPR would never do that. ba-dumm-tsshh.:P

topsemag55

Fox puts on both sides of an issue with guests from both sides, "We report, you decide". NPR, CNN, MSNBC only touts one ideology, never both sides to allow an informed decision.

4. Why are you wearing rose-tinted glasses when it comes to Fox? Why would you even kid yourself about that. The fact that you tout their slogan is over-the-top to be honest. I mean, you should at least try to get paid for that.

GreySeal9

I wonder what the edit history looks like on this.:P

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4. Why are you wearing rose-tinted glasses when it comes to Fox? Why would you even kid yourself about that. The fact that you tout their slogan is over-the-top to be honest. I mean, you should at least try to get paid for that.

topsemag55

I wonder what the edit history looks like on this.:P

I edited it because it was too nice.

No, I'm just kidding. The response needed to be toned down.

It just bugs me when people try to represent news networks that have been tailored to a certain ideology for money-making reasons as "balanced" or whatever.

They saw big money in a conservative-flavored sensationalist infotaintement network, so they made one. And they succeeded massively. But not for a minute were they intent on making a network that gives equal time to both ideologies or is objective or "reports and lets you decide" or whatver.

You know why MSNBC is so liberal-flavored these days? It's because they wanted to make money off of the FOX model.

I wouldn't say Fox puts on both sides of an issue; the guests they have range only from the center to the far (and increasingly farther) right. The other stations focus mostly on the center and center-right. There really isn't any mainstream news organization that is clearly liberal in the same respect that Fox is clearly conservative. -Sun_Tzu-

Williams and Alan Colmes are not center.

I consider Hannity to be somewhat abrasive, yet he does have far-left guests on, I can't recall their names at the moment.

O'Reilly treated both Hillary Clinton and Obama very well on his interviews of them - and neither of them are center.

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If you aren't a politically correct ****** bag you will be fired.

Sounds like America to me.

Silent_Bob32

I lol'd

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I wouldn't say Fox puts on both sides of an issue; the guests they have range only from the center to the far (and increasingly farther) right. The other stations focus mostly on the center and center-right. There really isn't any mainstream news organization that is clearly liberal in the same respect that Fox is clearly conservative. topsemag55

Williams and Alan Colmes are not center.

I consider Hannity to be somewhat abrasive, yet he does have far-left guests on, I can't recall their names at the moment.

O'Reilly treated both Hillary Clinton and Obama very well on his interviews of them - and neither of them are center.

Obama and H. Clinton are very clearly center left an O' Reily treated them well because they are politicians. He doesn't treat other liberals very well at all.

Its easy to have far left guests on. That doesn't make FOX less of a deeply conservative-flavored network.

i dont even know who Juan Williams is. :(

i dont even know who Juan Williams is. :(

Boostinsane

Take a look at the pic in the link, maybe you will remember seeing him before.:)

Wow, most of the Liberals on GS hate Juan Williams? I think its because he works for Fox News. :P Anyone associated with Fox News shall be bashed on this site!

Wow, most of the Liberals on GS hate Juan Williams? I think its because he works for Fox News. :P Anyone associated with Fox News shall be bashed on this site!

bbkkristian

Lol, pretty much. The amount of liberalism on this site is insane.

Wow, most of the Liberals on GS hate Juan Williams? I think its because he works for Fox News. :P Anyone associated with Fox News shall be bashed on this site!

bbkkristian

They would spin a complete 180 degrees if Fox had fired Juan Williams.:P:lol:

It's OK for NPR to fire a liberal, but never Fox.:P

Obama and H. Clinton are very clearly center left

GreySeal9

If that's true then Rush Limbaugh is center also.:P

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Wow, most of the Liberals on GS hate Juan Williams? I think its because he works for Fox News. :P Anyone associated with Fox News shall be bashed on this site!

topsemag55

They would spin a complete 180 degrees if Fox had fired Juan Williams.:P:lol:

It's OK for NPR to fire a liberal, but never Fox.:P

And when did Fox fire a liberal?

And if Fox didn't fire a liberal, how do you know how liberals would react?

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Wow, most of the Liberals on GS hate Juan Williams? I think its because he works for Fox News. :P Anyone associated with Fox News shall be bashed on this site!

GreySeal9

They would spin a complete 180 degrees if Fox had fired Juan Williams.:P:lol:

It's OK for NPR to fire a liberal, but never Fox.:P

And when did Fox fire a liberal?

And if Fox didn't fire a liberal, how do you know how liberals would react?

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Obama and H. Clinton are very clearly center left

topsemag55

If that's true then Rush Limbaugh is center also.:P

Because they watch conservatives like a hawk! Look at the bashing they have done to Republican women Sarah Palin and Christine O'Donnell.bbkkristian

Yup, Republicans have always had to endure a double standard from the left.

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They would spin a complete 180 degrees if Fox had fired Juan Williams.:P:lol:

It's OK for NPR to fire a liberal, but never Fox.:P

bbkkristian

And when did Fox fire a liberal?

And if Fox didn't fire a liberal, how do you know how liberals would react?

Yeah, and you guys have done your bashing too. That's politics. And you guys obsess over certain liberals like Pelosi and Obama, etc.

And that rationale does not at all give the assumption that liberal would do a 180 in this particular issue any weight. At all.

Rush is center right as are most "conservative extremists" like Pat Buchanan. I consider far-right to be the folk that want the U.S. to return to its founding principles of prohibiting women's suffrage, and advocating racism and slavery in the name of states' rights. That's why I don't consider myself a conservative, because modern conservatism is so progressive, it's not even funny.Genetic_Code

Ronald Reagan wasn't progressive...the first time he met Gorbachev, he looked him square in his eyes and said, "You want an arms race?...Fine, you'll lose.":lol:

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Because they watch conservatives like a hawk! Look at the bashing they have done to Republican women Sarah Palin and Christine O'Donnell.topsemag55

Yup, Republicans have always had to endure a double standard from the left.

And I'm sure the Democrats have never endured double standard from the right. :roll:

Seriously, the victim complex is getting old.

Rush is center right as are most "conservative extremists" like Pat Buchanan. I consider far-right to be the folk that want the U.S. to return to its founding principles of prohibiting women's suffrage, and advocating racism and slavery in the name of states' rights. That's why I don't consider myself a conservative, because modern conservatism is so progressive, it's not even funny.Genetic_Code

If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were saying that the Conservative movement was too liberal for you because of the named reasons. I mean, that's *almost* how it reads. I believe I'd be wrong if I were to seriously read it that way though... wouldn't I?

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[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Because they watch conservatives like a hawk! Look at the bashing they have done to Republican women Sarah Palin and Christine O'Donnell.GreySeal9

Yup, Republicans have always had to endure a double standard from the left.

And I'm sure the Democrats have never endured double standard from the right. :roll:

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Yup, Republicans have always had to endure a double standard from the left.

bbkkristian

And I'm sure the Democrats have never endured double standard from the right. :roll:

What does this have to with what I said?

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And I'm sure the Democrats have never endured double standard from the right. :roll:

GreySeal9

What does this have to with what I said?

I think it depends on the context in which it was said. I don't believe his intent was to demean muslims, I think he was just speaking on his own insecurities. I'd rather see some clarification than a blanket firing. Certainly organizations have the right to decide who they want working for them, but this may be a little bit of an overeaction.

If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were saying that the Conservative movement was too liberal for you because of the named reasons. I mean, that's *almost* how it reads. I believe I'd be wrong if I were to seriously read it that way though... wouldn't I?

m0zart

I think it depends on the context in which it was said. I don't believe his intent was to demean muslims, I think he was just speaking on his own insecurities. I'd rather see some clarification than a blanket firing. Certainly organizations have the right to decide who they want working for them, but this may be a little bit of an overeaction.

sonicare

I agree...I think Juan Williams is better off employment-wise with Fox.

Good. He deserved it. We need to silence anybody who speaks out against the left. Free speech for anybody with a conservative view needs to be eliminated altogether.EMO_EVOLUTION

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[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] While watching my local channels (Not Fox News) all I have seen was Meg Whitman getting horrible attacks from her opponent *insert his name here i forgot*bbkkristian

What does this have to with what I said?

Why don't you help me out then?

I don't necessarily agree with his firing, but I am most certainly a bit off put by his remarks.

Good. He deserved it. We need to silence anybody who speaks out against the left. Free speech for anybody with a conservative view needs to be eliminated altogether.EMO_EVOLUTION

Wait a minute? When did Williams speak out against the left?

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What does this have to with what I said?

GreySeal9

Why don't you help me out then?

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[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Nevermind, you don't see the point I am making!bbkkristian

Why don't you help me out then?

You really think that the Dems don't receive attacks from the right? Is this really what you're saying? I mean, for real? Are you really wearing rose-colored glasses that thick?

But here's one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zbF5SlKyRI

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Why don't you help me out then?

GreySeal9

You really think that the Dems don't receive attacks from the right? Is this really what you're saying? I mean, for real? Are you really wearing rose-colored glasses that thick?

But here's one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zbF5SlKyRI

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[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Okay. I meant to disprove the point you made on the Dems receiving attacks from the right? Would you please prove me wrong and find a current election attack ad? :)bbkkristian

You really think that the Dems don't receive attacks from the right? Is this really what you're saying? I mean, for real? Are you really wearing rose-colored glasses that thick?

But here's one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zbF5SlKyRI

Attack ads and attacking politicians is politics. That's why it's been going on so long. And every side does it.

So that's why I get tired of hearing about how the poor innocent precious Republicans have endured so many double standards from the evil liberals.

Because the Dems are subject to double standards as well.

OP has been updated with added link.

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I really don't doubt that many people (in general, I'm not thinking of anyone specific) have racist reactions from time to time, including having feelings of unease when on a plane with Muslims. So I don't think Williams was wrong to say this out loud.

But, the problem is he should have expanded further on that statement. Instead of saying, "I'm not racist, BUT," he should have said, "I have these racist feelings and reactions from time to time, and this is an issue I need to address. I need to move beyond having these feelings, because they aren't right."

gamerguru100

I consider any identifiable social group to be a race.

For example, if you don't like old people? Racist.

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I really don't doubt that many people (in general, I'm not thinking of anyone specific) have racist reactions from time to time, including having feelings of unease when on a plane with Muslims. So I don't think Williams was wrong to say this out loud.

But, the problem is he should have expanded further on that statement. Instead of saying, "I'm not racist, BUT," he should have said, "I have these racist feelings and reactions from time to time, and this is an issue I need to address. I need to move beyond having these feelings, because they aren't right."

TreebucketLumi

I consider any identifiable social group to be a race.

For example, if you don't like old people? Racist.

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[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]Muslims aren't a race.testfactor888

I consider any identifiable social group to be a race.

For example, if you don't like old people? Racist.

Of course it does. I don't like old people and I don't like white people either :P

If I could poke my nose back in this thread, I'd just like to add that problems like these can be avoided for the most part if there was more unionization in the workforce rather than have some autocratic CEO who can fire you at their behest. -Sun_Tzu-

Unions also have a dark side...like when a local news station filmed auto workers getting stoned and chugging beers in a public place then going back to work...they don't deserve any union protection, imo.

Guy appearing on national television equating muslims with terrorists? And he's upset that people would rather not employ him? Common sense, fella. Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Guy appearing on national television equating muslims with terrorists? And he's upset that people would rather not employ him? Common sense, fella. Protoford