U.S. bugged EU offices.

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[QUOTE="thebest31406"] Well, I would imagine so; he was a technical contractor for a government agency. And he's taken them hostage, yes? Otherwise, It would be irresponsible to toss him to the wolves. So where would you bring him to be investigated? And what would you investigated? You already know who he is and what he's done.thebest31406

i imagine a prison.

i do not know the full extent of what he has done and neither does the government, however he has broken US federal law and deserves a trial for that. during this trial it should be ascertained what other laws he broke and what information he stole.

he should not be allowed freedom of movement while he has illegal and sensitive information which could be used to black mail the us government and federal agents. if in a worst case scenario a malicious group gets a hold of safe house locations and the addresses of federal agents families, innocents could die.

morals don't factor into this at all. it would probably not be in Venezuela's best interest to harbor him because it would harm US relations, though it could be argued that they could use snowdens information for their own devices.

again i am not saying if Venezuela is right or wrong. i merely expressed sadness at their decision because it did not match my desires.

i do believe that the US government is right to retrieve this individual however.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] Well, I would imagine so; he was a technical contractor for a government agency. And he's taken them hostage, yes? Otherwise, It would be irresponsible to toss him to the wolves. So where would you bring him to be investigated? And what would you investigated? You already know who he is and what he's done.thebest31406

i imagine a prison.

i do not know the full extent of what he has done and neither does the government, however he has broken US federal law and deserves a trial for that. during this trial it should be ascertained what other laws he broke and what information he stole.

he should not be allowed freedom of movement while he has illegal and sensitive information which could be used to black mail the us government and federal agents. if in a worst case scenario a malicious group gets a hold of safe house locations and the addresses of federal agents families, innocents could die.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

i imagine a prison.

 

i do not know the full extent of what he has done and neither does the government, however he has broken US federal law and deserves a trial for that. during this trial it should be ascertained what other laws he broke and what information he stole.

 

 

he should not be allowed freedom of movement while he has illegal and sensitive information which could be used to black mail the us government and federal agents. if in a worst case scenario a malicious group gets a hold of safe house locations and the addresses of federal agents families, innocents could die.

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Was he the only system administrator there? Why do you assume that he as more info than any other administrator there? I'm sure the agency knows exactly the type of info possesses. So, based on the scenarios you've illustrated, it sounds as if he's in danger by simply wandering off on his own and that he's better off under US protection. If that's the case, why do you think he's running from them?thebest31406

I never said he had more information than any other system administrator. In the government a huge requirement for administrators is they have to have a clearance at least equal to, if not higher than the network they are going to be working on. A administrator working on SIPR networks needs at least a Secret clearance and a administrator working on JWICS networks (like Snowden) needs a Top Secret clearance.

Administrators have a lot of power because in the scope of their duties they may have visibility on information that may match their clearance level but they still may not be read on to it. It's not much different than a hospital network administrator who may be able to see confidential patient records even though they have no business looking at them in the scope of their duties.

With Snowden, while he may not have had more power than other administrators his position may have allowed him to access information he wasn't read on to which he later downloaded and fled the country with. The other administrators may have simply chose not to go outside of their authority and used their admin rights to look at documents they wasn't read on to.

So, based on the scenarios you've illustrated, it sounds as if he's in danger by simply wandering off on his own and that he's better off under US protection. If that's the case, why do you think he's running from them?thebest31406

Most people who have the power Snowden had do not go out of their way to advertise what the full scope of their duties are. That makes it much harder to target them, although not impossible. Snowden, on the other hand, is world famous right now and it is well known he is carrying multiple laptops which allegedly have more classified information on him.

If he returns to US custody the government can take possession of those laptops. Snowden is a hero to a good portion of the country, so even if the government wanted to hurt him they are walking on eggshells to prevent riots in Snowden's name. On the other hand, if he continues to run he can be kidnapped by an al Qaeda agent, a North Korean agent, or anybody else who is not pro-US and has no problem torturing him until he gives up the information. 

One of Snowden's excuses for why he ran was because of Bradley Manning's treatment. The problem with comparing himself to PFC Manning is Manning is a Soldier in the United States Army who is being charged with UCMJ, openly made suicidal threats, and is at risk of being beaten by a fellow prisoner who may not have a problem beating up a so-called traitor similar to how men charged with sex crimes are at risk in regular prisons. On the other hand, Snowden is a civilian and his "hero" status will probably get him off light if he does return assuming he doesn't leak something that would cause people to get killed.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"]Was he the only system administrator there? Why do you assume that he as more info than any other administrator there? I'm sure the agency knows exactly the type of info possesses. So, based on the scenarios you've illustrated, it sounds as if he's in danger by simply wandering off on his own and that he's better off under US protection. If that's the case, why do you think he's running from them?ad1x2

I never said he had more information than any other system administrator. In the government a huge requirement for administrators is they have to have a clearance at least equal to, if not higher than the network they are going to be working on. A administrator working on SIPR networks needs at least a Secret clearance and a administrator working on JWICS networks (like Snowden) needs a Top Secret clearance.

Administrators have a lot of power because in the scope of their duties they may have visibility on information that may match their clearance level but they still may not be read on to it. It's not much different than a hospital network administrator who may be able to see confidential patient records even though they have no business looking at them in the scope of their duties.

With Snowden, while he may not have had more power than other administrators his position may have allowed him to access information he wasn't read on to which he later downloaded and fled the country with. The other administrators may have simply chose not to go outside of their authority and used their admin rights to look at documents they wasn't read on to.

So, based on the scenarios you've illustrated, it sounds as if he's in danger by simply wandering off on his own and that he's better off under US protection. If that's the case, why do you think he's running from them?thebest31406

Most people who have the power Snowden had do not go out of their way to advertise what the full scope of their duties are. That makes it much harder to target them, although not impossible. Snowden, on the other hand, is world famous right now and it is well known he is carrying multiple laptops which allegedly have more classified information on him.

If he returns to US custody the government can take possession of those laptops. Snowden is a hero to a good portion of the country, so even if the government wanted to hurt him they are walking on eggshells to prevent riots in Snowden's name. On the other hand, if he continues to run he can be kidnapped by an al Qaeda agent, a North Korean agent, or anybody else who is not pro-US and has no problem torturing him until he gives up the information. 

One of Snowden's excuses for why he ran was because of Bradley Manning's treatment. The problem with comparing himself to PFC Manning is Manning is a Soldier in the United States Army who is being charged with UCMJ, openly made suicidal threats, and is at risk of being beaten by a fellow prisoner who may not have a problem beating up a so-called traitor similar to how men charged with sex crimes are at risk in regular prisons. On the other hand, Snowden is a civilian and his "hero" status will probably get him off light if he does return assuming he doesn't leak something that would cause people to get killed.